[Rhyme or Reason]

Debeguiled gets it.

Always the paper pushers who can't seem to wrap their heads around tipping.

It's about value, not just cost.

If you don't want to tip, don't.

But then it's on you when your friends / whatever company you keep see's for themselves what a cheapass you are. It's not a good look.

[Adonis]

(09-21-2017 02:00 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I love tipping. It offers instant feedback to the worker and keeps him on his toes, an awesome incentive, really for any worker. And it give you as a customer total freedom to set the price any way you want to.

Bingo. Tipping is a performance incentive. For example if I go somewhere with a bar I'll pass the bartender a $20 with the first round and am usually taken care of better than anyone else there. Better drinks and never a wait, its nice in a crowded place to just give a look and a nod 3-4 customers back and have my next round made.

My problem is not with tipping it is with the social expectation of such, and the entitlement to such regardless of the quality of service received. Baristas especially in the PNW have a god complex that borders on insanity.

[debeguiled]

(09-21-2017 02:08 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I hate tipping. Pisses me off.

What I loved most about living in Anglo countries is not having to tip, but leaving a small tip anyways. In the UK, I always threw a pound or two extra in when I bought my drink to the bartender. After doing this 3 times, I had the bar locked down and was getting free drinks passed to me.

In America, you have to tip upwards of $50+ to get that level of service at a bar. Fuck that.

I gotta admit I don't like the level of tipping for bartenders. In the U.S. they are treated like gurus or something.

[Number one bummer]

(09-21-2017 02:16 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Imo's?

Aloha!

Yep. Best pizza around.

[The Beast1]

(09-21-2017 02:40 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 02:08 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I hate tipping. Pisses me off.

What I loved most about living in Anglo countries is not having to tip, but leaving a small tip anyways. In the UK, I always threw a pound or two extra in when I bought my drink to the bartender. After doing this 3 times, I had the bar locked down and was getting free drinks passed to me.

In America, you have to tip upwards of $50+ to get that level of service at a bar. Fuck that.

I gotta admit I don't like the level of tipping for bartenders. In the U.S. they are treated like gurus or something.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. A lot of bartenders have a, "fuck you, tip me" attitude and are openly hostile to clients that don't have tits and a vagina. Especially worse are women bartenders.

That was part of the reason I stopped going to bars in the US. Why put up with that shit?

[Vladimir Poontang]

When you eat at a restaurant, you tip. It's what you do. You don't question it, you just do it. There's no need for further explanation, only cool people understand this.

[Robert High Hawk]

^ exactly. That's why I absolutely love it how nowadays they have a mandatory 15% tip included in the bill. It let's you pay extra regardless of your thoughts on the matter, and you feel awesome for having been forced to tip. It was the right thing to do anyway. This mandatory tip did not come about due to the absurd entitlement and free reward culture we have, rather it came about because waiter service has just gotten so darn good these past few years that it simply goes without saying they should get 15%. We should bump it up to 25% actually. They deserve it. All of them. Every time.

[John Michael Kane]

If the staff provides crappy service, I always put down $0.01 to let them know I didn't forget to tip. A tip is for a GREAT JOB, not something an entitled person thinks is owed to them. We don't know if the waitress is crappy or if she got stiffed after trying her best. Sensational clickbait from Yahoo, no surprise.

[DJ-Matt]

I think that the "level" of restaurant should dictate whether you need to tip. If you're eating at Chili's the servers should get at least minimum wage and there be no need to tip, because a waiter at your regular cheap eatery isn't really butler-level service, they're just taking the order and bringing your food and drink.

That being said I'm 15% or so across the board regardless, except for the times I go to Perkins and it's fucking slow as shit and they get less. Must be because I always go on a Wednesday which is the day everyone gets those BOGO coupons.

[Razor Beast]

The whole tipping debate makes me want to use these establishments less or not at all. They gouge you on the prices of the actual meals/drinks to begin with. This has definitely played a role in the of the decline in nightlife in the west.

[General Stalin]

Whole lotta



in this thread.

[debeguiled]

(09-21-2017 05:33 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Whole lotta



in this thread.

Waiter rubbing his nonexistent two pennies together?

[AneroidOcean]

(09-21-2017 02:08 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I hate tipping. Pisses me off.

What I loved most about living in Anglo countries is not having to tip, but leaving a small tip anyways. In the UK, I always threw a pound or two extra in when I bought my drink to the bartender. After doing this 3 times, I had the bar locked down and was getting free drinks passed to me.

In America, you have to tip upwards of $50+ to get that level of service at a bar. Fuck that.

Where are you ordering "in America?" Maybe in New York or another really high end spot in Los Angeles, but the vast majority of the country a 10 dollar bill or maybe max a $20 spot at the beginning of your first (multiple) drink order (and then a few bucks here and there otherwise) is plenty to get top-tier service. Alternate is just to get to know the bartenders a bit and tip reasonably well.

[The Beast1]

(09-21-2017 05:55 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 02:08 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I hate tipping. Pisses me off.

What I loved most about living in Anglo countries is not having to tip, but leaving a small tip anyways. In the UK, I always threw a pound or two extra in when I bought my drink to the bartender. After doing this 3 times, I had the bar locked down and was getting free drinks passed to me.

In America, you have to tip upwards of $50+ to get that level of service at a bar. Fuck that.

Where are you ordering "in America?" Maybe in New York or another really high end spot in Los Angeles, but the vast majority of the country a 10 dollar bill or maybe max a $20 spot at the beginning of your first (multiple) drink order (and then a few bucks here and there otherwise) is plenty to get top-tier service. Alternate is just to get to know the bartenders a bit and tip reasonably well.

An even better example, tipping $10s or even $20s in my opinion for a $5 drink is excessive especially for having to deal with bartender attitudes and horrific wait times. Tipping $2-3 should be more than enough to get pleasant service.

You go to Europe and you don't have to deal with this BS. Throw a single or even a double euro coin and you're the man. I have no problem paying wait staff better so I don't have to tip.

On a side note, I used to wait tables back in the day as a part time job and I never had a problem getting tips even from demanding customers. The worst part about working in a restaurant was having to work with the other front of house staff and is part of the reason I have a low opinion of waiters, waitresses, and bar tenders. Even on my worst days with massive rushes, I was always able to stuff my pissed off attitude behind a smiley veneer.

To be bluntly honest, a lot of wait staff and bar tenders are utter crap at their jobs.

[Fortis]

I'm not sure how guys don't like tipping. I love showing up at a spot, being welcomed by name and being treated like a valued friend of the establishment.

If you bring a girl to a spot where they know you like that you look like the fucking man. I've had bartenders run game for me because they know I'm a good dude who takes care of the staff with decent tips.

There are bars where I've invested good tips for long enough so that I can show up on any given night and I get several drinks for free. I sometimes see my tab after a night of good drinking and I'm like "there's no way I only drank $50 worth of drinks " but the bartender just smiles knowingly at me and we're good.

And that's just low-level shit. Back in USA, I was a good tipper and I'd be allowed to hang out in the after-hours scene for bars where they kick out all the other people, "close" the bar and you can hang out with the bartender and the selection of women, drinking and gaming girls with no competition.

How do guys not like that shit?

[Super_Fire]

(09-21-2017 05:43 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 05:33 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Whole lotta



in this thread.

Waiter rubbing his nonexistent two pennies together?

World's smallest violin.

[Barrington Levy]

I use to work as a bellhop in a hotel where the room price is $365 a night, and you wont believe the amount of cheap asses that are out here. Just start tipping a couple bucks, it's really not a big deal.

[Mr. Accuride]

I lived in a place that would get down to -30 to -40 degrees in the wintertime, and a lot of times I would get delivery pizza or other food when I ran out of groceries.
I always tipped around 25-40% since the food was cheap and if the guy is willing to drive and walk to my door to deliver hot food when it's that cold outside, then he deserved an extra few bucks. Plus the delivery guys would be happy as hell to deliver stuff to me afterwards; I had never seen people so happy despite having to drive and walk through -40 degree weather before.

Not tipping in that situation would be an ultra dick move.

[The Beast1]

(09-21-2017 07:41 PM)Barrington Levy Wrote:  

I use to work as a bellhop in a hotel where the room price is $365 a night, and you wont believe the amount of cheap asses that are out here. Just start tipping a couple bucks, it's really not a big deal.

Most people don't even carry cash these days and simply use their cards. How are they going to tip you?

[monster]

I dont think tipping should be even be a thing. If a restaurant values good service than I believe it's the restaurant's responsibility to pay fair wages, not the customer, just like all other businesses

Instead, the restaurant owners are living in heaven with the tipping economy: they effectively reduce their labor cost by 80-90% compared to every other business/small business in America. And they have created a narrative where it's not their fault that the waitresses don't make enough, it's the CUSTOMER'S fault if waitresses are not making enough.

Can you possibly get a crazier la la land than that? Nope.

[monster]

(09-21-2017 07:41 PM)Barrington Levy Wrote:  

I use to work as a bellhop in a hotel where the room price is $365 a night, and you wont believe the amount of cheap asses that are out here. Just start tipping a couple bucks, it's really not a big deal.

Shouldn't it be the hotel's responsibility to pass higher wages to you then, not the customer's. It's like that in every other business known to man.

[fokker]

Not sure what to make of this. We don't really have a tipping culture in Australia, maybe due to our minimum wage being higher than the US.

[Paracelsus]

(09-21-2017 08:30 PM)fokker Wrote:  

Not sure what to make of this. We don't really have a tipping culture in Australia, maybe due to our minimum wage being higher than the US.

We have a minimum wage, but I guarantee you waiters get a lot more than it. There are minimum wages set for entire industries, it's not $15 per hour no matter what job you do. Table waiting is one of them. We don't tip because we know full well the bastards are getting a lot more per hour than they actually deserve for the shitty service that passes for hospitality in Australia.

[Kona]

I think I'm a good tipper.

Recently I went to lunch with some people at that cook it yourself Japanese chain. I like it.

Well the damn white man waiter pissed me off. It was the first time in a long time I've flat out stiffed someone.

When it was drink ordering time he tells us Kirin beer pitchers are 10 dollars on special and the cheapest beer they got. So we polished off four of those.

Then the bill comes and he says the special ended after the first one and they were freaking 30 damn dollars after that.

Bad move by that guy.

Aloha!

[cascadecombo]

(02-28-2012 03:31 AM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

God, I'm on fucking fire about this tipping issue

I think every person should be a restaurant server at least once in their lifetime.

Few more thoughts before bed:

-If you don't want to tip, cook the food yourself. It's cheaper.

If you want higher wages for servers (and everybody else for that matter) so there would be no need for tip. Support the following policies/issues:
-make it easier for restaurants to open and maintain their business if they do their jobs. Less bureaucracy, please.
-Low or zero income taxes. More money to spend and pump into the economy.
-No government subsidies on food. Subsidies make food expensive.
-Allow smoking areas in restaurants. More G's dropping cash on your resto.
-No costly, undeclared wars. Money spent in wars to kill people could've been spent paying off that debt that will keep on taxing us financially and psychologically.
-feel free to add...

-and I know this is a person but: Ron Paul 2012, baby!

And for your viewing pleasure, the opening scene from Reservoir Dogs about tipping:

I've worked service industry before, I've also lived in countries where you don't tip servers.

care to guess which places had better service?

I'll clue you in, it was the countries with no tip culture who received average wages that had better service.

Tip culture is a retarded concept that restaurant owners probably cultivated to not have to pay their servers full hourly wages. smart on them but is now a blight for the customer. You as a server shouldn't base your service off what tip you expect, it should be with the goal of getting the customers to return to the restaurant.