[thegmanifesto]

(02-21-2012 02:48 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 01:53 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

This raises a question: can all 16 of those types get laid like rock-stars? Or will some always do better than others?

That's the million dollar question. Personality page gives a breakdown of how different types function in the romantic sphere: http://www.personalitypage.com/html/relationships.html


So I think the ideal player will have an ESFJ or ESFP personality. I'd expect the stereotypical "rockstar" to be an ESFP. At the very least it's going to be the ES types that are mostly going to be the naturals with women. INT types will have the hardest time. But there's always exception. Einstein was an INT and supposedly he was quite a lady's man too, but I don't know if that was prior to his fame or after. But nonetheless, an INTJ like me is probably never going to be as naturally good as an ESFP.

Good breakdown.

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I'd expect the stereotypical "rockstar" to be an ESFP

Yeah, I think the ESFP would be a heavy player.

ESTP is more your classic, Suited Down, International Playboy:

ESTP Strengths

Can be quite charming
Witty, clever, and popular
Earthy and sensual
Not personally threatened by conflict or criticism
Excellent and clear-headed dealing with emergency situations
Enthusiastic and fun-loving, they try to make everything enjoyable
As "big kids" themselves, they're eager, willing and able to spend time with their kids
Likely to enjoy lavishing their loved ones with big gifts (both a strength and a weakness)

ESTP Weaknesses

Not naturally in tune with what others are feeling
Not naturally good at expressing feelings and emotions
May inadvertantly hurt others with insensitive language
May be very good with money, but highly risky with it as well
Living in the present, they're not usually good long-range planners
May fall into the habit of ignoring conflict, rather than solving it
Don't naturally make lifelong commitments - they take things one day at a time
Prone to get bored easily
More likely than other type to leave relationships quickly when they get bored
Likely to enjoy lavishing their loved ones with big gifts (both a strength and a weakness)

[LowerCaseG]

I'm ISTJ

[MikeCF]

I'm INTJ or ENTJ, depending on how social I feel.

That is NOT a good type to get laid.

It's great to be a leader of men, and when in an organized setting (corp, college, etc.) I would get some side action because of my dominance and confidence with subject matter. I have no problem challenging professors and other leaders, even when younger.

A good ENTJ can "lead people into Hell," so to speak.

Strictly from a player perspective, though, it's not a fun type at all. It's awful, actually.

Too analytical, too aggressive, too serious, too (if INTJ) inside one's head.

But it makes learning game easy, since you apply the same acumen that was used to master so many other fields.

But an ENTJ, and especially an INTJ, is not a "natural" player.

[Basil Ransom]

Looking at the descriptions and thinking about it, it seems like E and P are the most related to being a player. The F variant is a more 'natural' player, but the analytical T could surpass him through sheer will and effort - the natural vs. the Machiavel. ESTP and ESFP are probably about even, though the ESTP has more potential because he's willing to analyze his approach. It sounds like ENFP's have a broader but shallower appeal than the ENTPs - the ENTP doesn't connect with well as many people, but to those he does, the connection is stronger.

ENFP - the People Person
ENTP - the Cheeky Bastard
ESTP - the Machiavel
ESFP - the Natural

(my interpretations)

[MikeCF]

(02-21-2012 03:45 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Looking at the descriptions and thinking about it, it seems like E and P are the most related to being a player. The F variant is a more 'natural' player, but the analytical T could surpass him through sheer will and effort - the natural vs. the Machiavel. ESTP and ESFP are probably about even, though the ESTP has more potential because he's willing to analyze his approach. It sounds like ENFP's have a broader but shallower appeal than the ENTPs - the ENTP doesn't connect with well as many people, but to those he does, the connection is stronger.

ENFP - the People Person
ENTP - the Cheeky Bastard
ESTP - the Machiavel
ESFP - the Natural

(my interpretations)

Yeah, smart thoughts.

E is the single best trait for a player. If you're an I, you're not making enough openings. Also, to a natural introvert, doing approaches is actually physically exhausting. I can only talk to so many girls before feeling downright sleepy.

N and S are probably neutral. A intuitive person is going to get good feels for whether a girl is into him. An S is going to look for those IOIs.

T is going to stay inside his head. Overthinking things is bad for game. One of the things I still struggle with is getting outside of my head.

J is bad because women hate being judged. Far better for the game to just P/take things in as they come, without running them through a filter.

Someone could do an epic blog post on this subject.

Not just, "What's the Best Type for a Player," but, "Reverse Engineering Myers-Briggs to Become a Better Player."

[Roosh]

I scored ENTP on the longer test.

The problem with this type of personality test is that it doesn't account for different parts of me coming out depending on the situation. I don't use the same strategy for everything.

Even day vs night game I use different shades of my personality.

[reaper23]

ISTJ checking in.

they call it the "judge"

George Washington, Eisenhower, Warren Buffet. Thats about right.

[46.]

(02-20-2012 11:40 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Do you guys know your Myers-Briggs personality types?

I was inspired to start this thread after seeing a Roosh Twitter-update where some random website is guessing he's the same type as me (ENTP).

(02-21-2012 02:53 AM)bars Wrote:  

ENTP, always.

(02-21-2012 12:52 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Reppin' the ENTP.

ENTP up in here! All 15 other Myers-Briggs personality types better back tha' f--- up!

Just kidding, the test was interesting. Once everyone does it I can run the results through some predictive analytic software and, along with past posts/reps, predict who will be banned.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-21-2012 03:45 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

ENFP - the People Person
ENTP - the Cheeky Bastard
ESTP - the Machiavel
ESFP - the Natural

(my interpretations)

I think this is pretty accurate.

I had my biz partner do it and he is a ESFP - the Natural.

We are real similar.

He is real happy go lucky, whereas I am more sinister ESTP - the Machiavel.

[speakeasy]

(02-21-2012 03:51 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Yeah, smart thoughts.

E is the single best trait for a player. If you're an I, you're not making enough openings. Also, to a natural introvert, doing approaches is actually physically exhausting. I can only talk to so many girls before feeling downright sleepy.

N and S are probably neutral. A intuitive person is going to get good feels for whether a girl is into him. An S is going to look for those IOIs.

I definitely agree on E being the best temperament for a natural player. If you are an I, you'll have to learn to fake being an E even if just for a short time. I disagree on the N and S being neutral. I think just about all naturals have the S temperament. When you hit that point in conversation where you are "vibing" and you aren't thinking about what to say but having completely spontaneous, fun and sensual conversation, you're in S mode. You're completely in the moment. Some people are just like that all the time if they're born with that temperament. The downside is that from the perspective of N types like me, such people can come across as superficial and lacking in any depth. And for people who extreme E and S, as guys they will seem rowdy and fratboyish like the Jackass crew and if they are women, strong ES types will probably be the worst of attention whores.

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J is bad because women hate being judged. Far better for the game to just P/take things in as they come, without running them through a filter.

J doesn't actually mean judging people in that sense of the word. From the personality page site:


Judging and Perceiving preferences, within the context of personality types, refers to our attitude towards the external world, and how we live our lives on a day-to-day basis. People with the Judging preference want things to be neat, orderly and established. The Perceiving preference wants things to be flexible and spontaneous. Judgers want things settled, Perceivers want thing open-ended.

We are using Judging when we:

Make a list of things to do
Schedule things in advance
Form and express judgments
Bring closure to an issue so that we can move on

We are using Perceiving when we:

Postpone decisions to see what other options are available
Act spontaneously
Decide what to do as we do it, rather than forming a plan ahead of time
Do things at the last minute



I think the P is better for gaming.

[MikeCF]

(02-21-2012 04:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

J doesn't actually mean judging people in that sense of the word. From the personality page site:

Sure it does. You're make snap, often rash, decisions about people and situations. Whether that's because of a need for closure or not doesn't change the fact of what you're doing.

[the chef]

i'm not sure if i buy into "types"

[Basil Ransom]

(02-21-2012 04:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

J doesn't actually mean judging people in that sense of the word. From the personality page site:


Judging and Perceiving preferences, within the context of personality types, refers to our attitude towards the external world, and how we live our lives on a day-to-day basis. People with the Judging preference want things to be neat, orderly and established. The Perceiving preference wants things to be flexible and spontaneous. Judgers want things settled, Perceivers want thing open-ended.

We are using Judging when we:

Make a list of things to do
Schedule things in advance
Form and express judgments
Bring closure to an issue so that we can move on

We are using Perceiving when we:

Postpone decisions to see what other options are available
Act spontaneously
Decide what to do as we do it, rather than forming a plan ahead of time
Do things at the last minute



I think the P is better for gaming.

These sites aren't saying it, but I get the feeling that 'P' is related to being 'chill,' and 'laid-back.' I definitely remember my teacher describing it as like 'going-with the flow.' The combination of E & P leads to such qualities as being playful, flirtatious, spontaneous, not taking her seriously, teasing her etc. Which, unless you're doing some serious gorilla style game, is pretty essential.

It's also important to understand the nuances of your type, and to what extent you stray from it. For instance, you may be extroverted, but under less than ideal conditions, you withdraw inwards. For me, that happens when the noise is loud, bitch shields are high, groups are large and the girls aren't my type, and if several girls shut me down consecutively. It seems like the ENTP's narrower range ("ENTPs have little patience with those they consider wrongheaded or unintelligent, and show little restraint in demonstrating this." To which I'd add 'boring' and 'not DTF') might reduce the range of scenarios in which he's extroverted.

[Chad Daring]

   

[velkrum]

ENFJ

"ENFJs are people-focused individuals."
http://www.personalitypage.com/html/ENFJ.html
http://www.typelogic.com/enfj.html

[Neo]

I've taken the test and it changes depending on how I'm feeling, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

[Caligula]

(02-21-2012 04:41 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

J doesn't actually mean judging people in that sense of the word. From the personality page site:


Judging and Perceiving preferences, within the context of personality types, refers to our attitude towards the external world, and how we live our lives on a day-to-day basis. People with the Judging preference want things to be neat, orderly and established. The Perceiving preference wants things to be flexible and spontaneous. Judgers want things settled, Perceivers want thing open-ended.

We are using Judging when we:

Make a list of things to do
Schedule things in advance
Form and express judgments
Bring closure to an issue so that we can move on

We are using Perceiving when we:

Postpone decisions to see what other options are available
Act spontaneously
Decide what to do as we do it, rather than forming a plan ahead of time
Do things at the last minute



I think the P is better for gaming.

These sites aren't saying it, but I get the feeling that 'P' is related to being 'chill,' and 'laid-back.' I definitely remember my teacher describing it as like 'going-with the flow.' The combination of E & P leads to such qualities as being playful, flirtatious, spontaneous, not taking her seriously, teasing her etc. Which, unless you're doing some serious gorilla style game, is pretty essential.

It's also important to understand the nuances of your type, and to what extent you stray from it. For instance, you may be extroverted, but under less than ideal conditions, you withdraw inwards. For me, that happens when the noise is loud, bitch shields are high, groups are large and the girls aren't my type, and if several girls shut me down consecutively. It seems like the ENTP's narrower range ("ENTPs have little patience with those they consider wrongheaded or unintelligent, and show little restraint in demonstrating this." To which I'd add 'boring' and 'not DTF') might reduce the range of scenarios in which he's extroverted.

This is spot on. I think P has a lot to do with being able to roll with the punches and adapt well to changing circumstances. This will also make you less easily fazed and more relaxed in situations where others may be thrown off.

I'm exactly the same when it comes to obnoxious people / environments, I'll disengage from the situation rather than bang my head against the wall.

[Rigo]

INTJ, makes sense, sometimes its mind blowingly hard for me to get in a social mode and stand all the dumb chicks out there.

It's gotten easier though, not so sure if that's good but at least the bangs are coming.

[BortimusPrime]

INTP, but seriously, has anyone ever taken this test and learned something they didn't already know about themselves?

[reaper23]

^^ I kinda did learn something. But it was more just coming to grips with being an "I." I think I always wanted to be an "E" but never really was. Seeing it in the test just kinda confirmed it or helped me accept it.

[speakeasy]

(02-21-2012 06:04 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

INTP, but seriously, has anyone ever taken this test and learned something they didn't already know about themselves?

In ways yes, and in ways no. I think what it provides is clarity and it gives you a framework(based upon science and research) in understanding how people function and interact. It also helped me understand why I just "click" better with certain people than other. Whereas before I thought whether you click with someone was just completely random and couldn't be explained. I've found that I'm more likely to click with NT types than any other type. And I found that very strong ES types I can't be around too much. Not saying this should limit who you interact with, but it is a good tool for understanding how others work. If you get good at quickly reading people's type by looking for clues, you will become better at building fast rapport with others. If it's obvious that someone is an ES type, you know you aren't going to get far having any sort of deep, theoretical conversation with them. Learning how to build fast rapport is certainly a valuable tool any gamesmen's pocket.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-21-2012 06:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 06:04 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

INTP, but seriously, has anyone ever taken this test and learned something they didn't already know about themselves?

In ways yes, and in ways no. I think what it provides is clarity and it gives you a framework(based upon science and research) in understanding how people function and interact. It also helped me understand why I just "click" better with certain people than other. Whereas before I thought whether you click with someone was just completely random and couldn't be explained. I've found that I'm more likely to click with NT types than any other type. And I found that very strong ES types I can't be around too much. Not saying this should limit who you interact with, but it is a good tool for understanding how others work. If you get good at quickly reading people's type by looking for clues, you will become better at building fast rapport with others. If it's obvious that someone is an ES type, you know you aren't going to get far having any sort of deep, theoretical conversation with them. Learning how to build fast rapport is certainly a valuable tool any gamesmen's pocket.

I did.

But more importantly, I think it helps me understand other people.

[Caligula]

(02-21-2012 06:04 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

INTP, but seriously, has anyone ever taken this test and learned something they didn't already know about themselves?

It's a useful framework for thinking about what you're like, why you react in certain ways, your strengths/weaknesses, etc.

[WesternCancer]

I scored ENTP. Funny thing is that before game I scored INTP.

[the chef]

i don't know if i can take these tests honestly, but for the most part i'm an ENTP.

i think that certain situations call for different personality types in an individual. for example, when i'm tipsy or at a concert or some shit, i could be considered an ESTP. when i'm stoned off my ass after a long day i'm an INTP. when i'm around family or people i genuinely care about then i'm an ENFP.

it all varies. to say that you're one personality type just isn't adequate.