[Alfonzo]

Kosko ... you will be disapoint if you think to find a lot of french women in the village of Tremblant . In majortity there is a big proportion of american and anglophone tourist .

Moma ..interesting back ground , sounds like me , A game at the Rucker Park during the day should be nice . Is it possible ?

[Moma]

(02-08-2012 11:31 AM)Alfonzo Wrote:  

Kosko ... you will be disapoint if you think to find a lot of french women in the village of Tremblant . In majortity there is a big proportion of american and anglophone tourist .

Moma ..interesting back ground , sounds like me , A game at the Rucker Park during the day should be nice . Is it possible ?

Alfonzo, I think it's very possible. New York is the birth place of basketball, some of the sickest guards on the planet are spawned from there.

Slightly off tangent but I knew this young cat from Detroit when I lived in Londres. He had the nicest handles I'd ever seen and was consistent in embarrassing and scoring on any defenders. He was pulling the AI cross and the Shamgod before I even knew of those cats. Nasssty...

[Alfonzo]

Yes I already know for the basketball thing in New York . My question was more about if we show at this court or another memorable court , will it be possible to just play like everywhere else or we will be isolated or I don't know . When I was in Queen , I pass right beside a nice court where people played . My point is do you think I need to know them or they will let me play with them like every other place .

For your Detroit guy hehe yeah it brings me many memories . Before on the NBA chanel in the evening they had the rucker park show it was insane the good players and their moove . I was all over basketball at that time .

[Kid Strangelove]

Just a reminder to the New Yorkers - do not forget about "artfagging", aka touring art galleries, especially on Thursdays.

Shameless promotion of my blog post on it - http://kidstrangelove.wordpress.com/2011...rtfagging/

[Moma]

(02-08-2012 01:24 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  

Yes I already know for the basketball thing in New York . My question was more about if we show at this court or another memorable court , will it be possible to just play like everywhere else or we will be isolated or I don't know . When I was in Queen , I pass right beside a nice court where people played . My point is do you think I need to know them or they will let me play with them like every other place .

For your Detroit guy hehe yeah it brings me many memories . Before on the NBA chanel in the evening they had the rucker park show it was insane the good players and their moove . I was all over basketball at that time .

Yes of course you will be able to play. I've never been to anywhere in the U.S where I wasn't allowed to play at an outdoor court. I've been thrashed soundly in some places which is as good as not playing but I've always been able to play. I doubt it would be a problem.

[Luckystar]

I'm stopping into TO on my way back to Van. Going to Club V in Yorkville.

I have mixed emotions...wish me luck guys.

[Saladin]

Its crazy how much friendlier the girls in the suburbs are. I am in Markham right now to visit a friend and help him expand his social circle in his school. We chatted up some girls for him so he'd have some rapport and value. Friendly, but that is expected at any school. I lied my ass out to make it seem like I went there for his sake..... We both used Roosh's Day Bang model to start up the convo.

I went to a local food store afterwards by myself while he went to class and I saw two girls sitting down. Both attractive(8.5 by TO standards), at first I thought they want to his school so I went up to them and asked them them if they want to that school(sticking to my old story). They both had graduated years ago and weren't offended at all. Obviously I shot myself in the foot by pretending to be in High School but I still chatted to them for around 5-10 minutes and I was surprised by how friendly they were. They were smiling which is a rare occurence. Remember that I misjudged them to be in High School which would have pissed of a downtown girl to no end.

Downtown Toronto women have very bad attitudes.

[rudebwoy]

By no means do I want to defend Toronto, but NYC is home of the worst TV show ever - Sex in the City.
I have been to NYC many times and it strikes me as a city that is all about money, yes the women have a much better vibe but it seems that they are sizing you up financially. I know a man in his 60's who "dates" women in there 20's but this is based on the gifts he gives to them. I have witnessed some heavy players in action, probably the kind of cats G Manifesto knows. I have also witnessed quite a few semi-pro's working the hotel lounges, I get the sense that anything can be had at a price.
The great thing about NYC is the amout of girls from other countries that visit the place, I would not live in NYC but if I did I would target that demographic.

Toronto is a city that is trying to be like NYC, but has no identity. For the most part girls are looking boyfriends/husbands (Mr Big) on there terms and this leads to disaster. Girls here are sad, even women with kids in there 30's think they are desirable and have something to offer. I do see some similarities in regards to the nightlife, the best action in Toronto is during the week.

[Indefatigable]

(02-07-2012 02:00 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Over-exaggerated post, I've never been to Toronto but live in NY. It almost seems like he is simply hating on Toronto for whatever reason...
- Yes the women are hotter IF you know where to find them. Unless your around the shopping areas of soho, 5th ave, or madison ave daytime is like any other major city full of homely/college types. Its the handful of hipster and tourist types which keeps things interesting.

- Average night venue in NY sucks!! (Quality/Ratio wise) Go to your a "hot" spot and its like a fantasy world. Mid-level venues are OK in terms of a better ratio/quality but cover charge and sometimes needing to have girls with you isn't worth it.

- Quantity is CORRECT, tourists and short term travelers keep this city going.


- Good venues in manhattan have a "clique" vibe to them which is why they tend to seem "private" or "hard to get into". One doorman actually says "Which table will you be joining tonight?" because on a tuesday night it'll be 5 different tables hanging amongst themselves.

- NYC is a logistics nightmare UNLESS you live in the city. For instance, I once went home with a chick who lived in hoboken and had to walk 1mil, take 3 trains and a bus to get back home. Meanwhile a friend of mine lives 2 blocks away from one of the current hot spots.

- NY isn't the party city that it portrays. I sometimes joke that "I'm NY" because most people don't really go out and many don't keep the party going because there isn't any true cumulative party party vibe.

- When I used to go out 7x a week, at times I was the only human being walking around manhattan and almost all after parties were generally due to me setting it up. Basically, nightlife is inconsistent with a handful of people who try to create a "city that never sleeps" amongst there social circle. At first I used to think "Why the hell am I out on a monday" because it would be 11-1am and NO ONE was headed to a party besides me. 2 months later, mondays were becoming the highlight of my week as we took limos for an after party and would bounce a group of 20+ ppl down into a private 100person club.

- NY especially the better clubs, look like high school. Lots of uptight people sticking within there group scared to interact with others. Overtime, the few guys who do talk to people will help get things going or the random all girls who start dancing. You never really see how much social problems people have until you witness 15-20ppl hanging at the same table just LOOKING at each other quiet.

Only reason I think people find NY to be standoffish/tough is due to the fast pace aspect of it. I know chicks who move to NY from all over the world, 2-3 months in and they have to leave due to money/visa issues. I could basically go on a "1yr world tour" simply crashing at a chick place who I once knew in NY.

P.S...Now it may seem like I'm ragging on NY, but no, I love the city and think its #1. The only areas I dislike is its nightlife options and the fact that its not smack in europe. Which is why I want to explore paris and german since I will be closer to eastern europe and still be in a city with some amazing nightlife options. (St Tropez partying or Berlin gritty/underground electro clubs)

Sounds like NYC is not all that it is cracked up to be. But is it better than T.O.? I'm not even talking about quality, just how easy it is to meet women in general. For example, do women go out with the intention of meeting men? This may seem like an odd question to ask, but it seems that very few women in Toronto do. Women at the clubs not even looking at men is the norm here. It's like they want to feel dersired, but have no desires of their own in terms of men. Do they give off a negative vibe? Again, that's the norm here. Is it common to get numbers in bars and clubs? Again, Women in Toronto seem to have a rule against this. I suspect that many women here wouldn't know what to do if they came across the man of their dreams (physically speaking) at a club; they'd be paralyzed by their attraction on the one hand and their seemingly deep seated reluctance to meet men at clubs on the other. Do women avoid eye contact like their lives depended on it? Again, that is the norm here.

Truth be told, I don't doubt that NYC is better (it is so bad here almost anywhere else has to be). I'm just want to know know much better it is.

[Indefatigable]

There was an article in a popular alternative weekly here in Toronto (Now Magazine) that had a story that included a comparison with NYC: http://www.nowtoronto.com/lifestyle/stor...ent=173613 Also read the comments.

[rudebwoy]

(02-09-2012 02:39 AM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

There was an article in a popular alternative weekly here in Toronto (Now Magazine) that had a story that included a comparison with NYC: http://www.nowtoronto.com/lifestyle/stor...ent=173613 Also read the comments.

I must say that is a pretty good article with some truths to it.

[misterstir]

The funniest thing is like all the people from Toronto agree it is a pickup shit hole. i notice women over a certain age older than what most guys here would want are just more friendly, which indicates to me Toronto may not have been the shithole it was maybe 15-20 years ago when these girls where younger. But the fact of the matter is the original post basicaly sums up why Toronto sucks for pickup. its no mistake Mystery comes from Toronto. Ironically he says he was a virgin until like 23, but then moved to LA or whatever and banged every girl in town... Even watch keys to the vip and you'll see there are no really knockout beautiful girls in Toronto and if there are any above average girls, every guy will throw cock at her to the point where the guys who do get her game her so hard that it becomes like a full time fucking job, just trying to be around your girl all the time so some other guy doesn't get her. Fuck that shit, I'd rather have 5 average girls who with little work than a 6.5 with lots of work.

NYC has like 18 million people, Toronto has like 5.5 in both greater areas. If New York was equally shitty as Toronto then you should see 3 times as many as New Yorkers complaining why New York sucks for pickup, but this just isn't true. NYC has lots of attractive Puerto Ricans, African Americans, latinos, italians, irish, and other types. New York women make some effort to get guys, in some cases they are even aggressive, Toronto is the exact opposite, not only are they passive or not aggressive, they are subversive in trying to ensure you get no pussy by being pro active cock blockers.

I agree with Moma 100%, as an outsider who moved here, he provides an informed opinion that I only realized when I left and returned here. Toronto people are intolerant imo of Americans and right wing or religious people and always want to justify why Canada's healthcare is better. sure getting sick in a place with no insurance must suck alot. But if you have insurance its no comparision, I've been sick in both. Same sickness, 2 hospitals. Canada - wait for 8 hours before seeing the doctor leave hospital at 5 am after coming in at 9pm; America - private hospital, check in walk right in, see 2 nurses then the doctor out in under 45 minutes spent more time doing paper work at the front desk.

@Torontokid, suburban girls can be a little more easier but often you are just entertainment for them. There is nothing to do the further north you go, and girls who are still in high school are great game in the north suburbs.

I just agree with the poster who said Toronto is the woman's version of the philipines. As a man you just won't win trying to be a player. You'll win some battles but in the long run, men as a group, you'll lose the war.

[Distant Light]

(02-09-2012 02:15 AM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

Sounds like NYC is not all that it is cracked up to be. But is it better than T.O.? I'm not even talking about quality, just how easy it is to meet women in general. For example, do women go out with the intention of meeting men? This may seem like an odd question to ask, but it seems that very few women in Toronto do. Women at the clubs not even looking at men is the norm here. It's like they want to feel dersired, but have no desires of their own in terms of men. Do they give off a negative vibe? Again, that's the norm here. Is it common to get numbers in bars and clubs? Again, Women in Toronto seem to have a rule against this. I suspect that many women here wouldn't know what to do if they came across the man of their dreams (physically speaking) at a club; they'd be paralyzed by their attraction on the one hand and their seemingly deep seated reluctance to meet men at clubs on the other. Do women avoid eye contact like their lives depended on it? Again, that is the norm here.

Truth be told, I don't doubt that NYC is better (it is so bad here almost anywhere else has to be). I'm just want to know know much better it is.

I think NY is the #1 city when it comes to potential and possibilities of living an incredible "City" life. From my post it might come off like NY isn't what its cracked up to be because how NY is portrayed in film/tv isn't how NY actually is on a "mainstream" level. Most people who come to visit NY will not have a true NY experience as if it was the "city that never sleeps", "always something to do", etc.

As for your questions its generally easy to meet women in general due to the hordes of women around. If the right guy comes along then the woman will be open to lots of possibilities. Most people in clubs are bored, most people in general have a shitty life. Despite many living in NY majority have no clue where to go or what's going on in the city.

Honestly, the stuff that happens women wise happens because of my vibe. I always get looked at and women are always wanting/hoping to meet me. I'm not like most guys though so it would be "off" for me to say NY women are easy to meet. At the end of the day it comes down to the guy and how women respond to his presence.

As for NY though, its an amazing city if you actually setup your life in the proper way. There are so many amazing restaurants, random events, types of people, etc. What do I mean...
- Many people spending 40-140$ tickets to see a big DJ, I see the same person for FREE in a smaller venue. Recently there was a skrillex "secret" party and I mean secret because it was only a secret if you didn't even know of the club.
- There is no middle ground in nightlife, either its "real good" or "shitty". This is why majority of people in NY have a hard time finding a decent place to go too during the weekday. Not realizing there are venues that are PACKED as if it were weekend.
- NY "High End" scene is an illusion that is so confusing to most that they never even bother. The benefits of having access is incredible. Were talking private 100person club where you can pull to the bathroom no problem. Victoria secret after party, model agency parties, etc. An if your into more of the rap scene every tues/wed/sun there is a place to find some of the hottest curvy chicks you'll ever see.
- The whole "vibe dining" aspect of NY, where as a 9-5er you could literally just dine out for dinner and meet some gorgeous women hanging at these trendy restaurants. One hotel has it down to a T, it was to the point where the lobby was more profitable than going to a random shitty venue.

It's surprising how many women who live in NY didn't know about this stuff. Good example is an aspiring model I once brought to dinner with me, her only comment was "Wow, I never seen so many beautiful people together". Basically a friend hosted a FREE dinner at a fine dine restaurant with about 15 of us. (Majority were models) I also once took a girl to "Le Bain" at standard hotel, many people still haven't heard of this place and not a single girl has been shocked by the venue. Its basically on like the 18th or 21st floor. There is a POOL in the center of the lounge and you can go on the roof where there is hot tubs, fake grass and lots of chill seats. The view is sick!! That isn't even "Boom Boom Room" which is also at the standard hotel which just oozes luxury.

To give an example of a day in NY when you know about the stuff going on...Sunday...
- Meet up with a female friend at a brunch party where I meet a group of guys/girls next to us who had a table. Free champagne and fun times as its 3 guys and 8 girls.
- Female friend reserves a table at a restaurant which gives us 30% off and we devour our meals and then chill out on the rooftop of "le bain" going back and forth
- Meet up with a connector friend who gets my female friend cousin into the club. It's not his scene so I take them to a 2nd club, still not his scene so I take them to a 3rd club which he loved. All 3 clubs we had free drinks and a table.

The chick texted me the next day saying how much I delivered because her cousin was so hyped about his NY experience. The 3rd venue was basically rappers/sports players poppin bottles.

Its rare to find an actually NYer who leverages there life in a way where they can fully enjoy NY for what it has to offer. Still remember a friend...
- Brought me to one of his dance classes that had 70-80 homely women
- Brought me to an after hours at a guys restaurant, he went in the kitchen cooked gourmet burgers and rack of lambs. He nonchalantly would open up bottles of wine, champagne. We were in there at 430-5 locked from the inside, didn't leave until 7-8

[RaulValdez739]

Distant Light, how old are you? Just Curious

[1bliss]

NYC is the #1 city in the world. Enough said, to me nothing compares to it. Not just in terms of women cuz that's debatable, but in general NYC truly is special. Everyday of the week you got something to do. You have Central Park which is amazing year round, some of the best dining in the world, great clubs, great shopping, good weather (yes I like that it's 4 seasons and not 1 year round), different cultures, sports, etc etc. There's a reason it's considered the world capital and one of the best, if not the best, city in the world. NYC, London, Paris and Tokyo are all on a different level than every other city in the world. So it's not fair to compare Toronto, or even LA or Barcelona or Chicago or Stockholm, to any of the 4 megacities.

[Kish]

NYC is expensive as hell! Those guys deserve the BEST nightlife in the world. LOL

[misterstir]

There are plenty of New Yorkers in LA, and from when i was down there they saying was o your from new york, well your never going back there. You don't want to eat rat meat again do you?

I've been to London, and I wouldn't say London has a leg up on LA. Girls from Paris and France in general are very average looking. The most visited country in the world and you don't see much french threads up in here do you? French girls have nice personalities. If you're talking about things other than girls, then yeah, London, Paris great cities, but I wouldn't say they are significantly better than soCal. In fact I'd say there is a strong argument that Cali is the number 1 place because you have everything from silicon valley to san fran financial to hollywood

[Richie]

I wouldn't throw Paris, France into the mix. It's quite a unique place compared to the other european cities and the nightlife is surprisingly tame.
Personally I dont mind it but there are only a handful of options for such a big city.
Im interested in your thoughts about Cali / LA. I travelled down the coast from San Fran to LA in my early twenties. I dont know if it was my age but I cant remember anything that even vaguely resembled the level of debauchery and good times Im used to back home. It was all bars and lame hip hop venues.
My favourite TV shows are all American. At the moment Im really enjoying Californication. But as I see it... unless you are some actor, musician or writer being invited to drug fueled sex orgies in hollywood hills you are sitting in generic bars with very bright lights and smug bar staff. WOuld love to go back.. convince me its worth it!

(02-12-2012 01:53 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

There are plenty of New Yorkers in LA, and from when i was down there they saying was o your from new york, well your never going back there. You don't want to eat rat meat again do you?

I've been to London, and I wouldn't say London has a leg up on LA. Girls from Paris and France in general are very average looking. The most visited country in the world and you don't see much french threads up in here do you? French girls have nice personalities. If you're talking about things other than girls, then yeah, London, Paris great cities, but I wouldn't say they are significantly better than soCal. In fact I'd say there is a strong argument that Cali is the number 1 place because you have everything from silicon valley to san fran financial to hollywood

[Gixxermuscle]

I live in Toronto, King West, and have been going to the clubs here for years. I've also traveled fairly extensively including living two years in West Palm Beach. I really do not understand the hate going on for Tdot right now. I go out virtually every weekend and always pick-up, grab numbers, or make out with chicks on the d-floor (no e-brag). I'm not into the bar/rock scene so cannot comment with regards to that, however when it comes to the clubs, you have to pick good venues. Stay away from Richmond, and the old club district, it is pure pure shit. Some on King West are now all sausage fests as well. However other places, like Bloke&4th recently, are 60- 70 percent chicks. I don't even run verbal game (it's hard in these venues obviously unless you go out to smoke), but rather go cave man style. Grab a girl (not just any broad, look for IOI's), be alpha as phuc about it, dance with them. Kiss them, grab digits, invite back, whatever. Caveman game works wonders in this scene, so long as you are in shape, dress well and fearless about it. I'm quite aggressive with this, twist a girls arm behind her back, squeeze their ass, just maintain a shit eating grin and be fearless. I will say I am ultra fit, this helps a lot, but I have less aesthetic buddies wheel girls EVERY weekend. YOu just have to be confident and aggressive. Girls in this city are less feminine than in SA or EE, and I find being very forward and masculine melts their cold hearts (again, I can't speak for rock/hipster girls, I dont meet them very often).

Toronto is nowhere near the top of having the highest per captia number of hot babes, but come on, it's also nowhere near the bottom. Chicks from all over southern ontario come to T.dot to see and be seen. The city is constantly importing attractive girls from neighbouring suburban regions who want to 'live and play' in the city.

I will agree though the liquor laws here are draconian and some of these clubs have horrible attitude and are overtly racist (I'm good looking, white. I have Asian friends get flat out denied entry.) Also, depends what ethnicity you are into, some clubs are all asian, some all persian, some all white college girls (my preference).

Girls will approach you in this city as well, and can be approachable. It's not this hopeless dark pit of despair some of you are making it out to be.

[kosko]

The logistics kill LAs potential. The ability to venue change on a whim and have a rough mental area map down of spots to take down like the above poster noted would be difficult to pull of in LA. From all the threads on this forum on LA that has been the common theme, no diss to the quality there tho!

Yes it is unfair to compare TO to NYC, it is the cancer that plagues this City. Toronto has penis envy more than any other place in the globe, it somehow views its self as worthy candidate that should be on the same level as LDN and NYC!?

It would be great to hear comparisons on equal Cities such as Chicago, Sydney, Stockholm.

One thing that I think shoots TO in the foot is that there isn't a lot of cool things to do. There aren't that many cool people in this City. The scene is quite small for a City of 5million. I am just an observer of this but it is a small number that is dominated by females... Not males. The majority of true trend setters usually bounce (To NYC) or totally divorce them selves from TO on a mental and physical level (bad example but think Drake).

Lastly Toronto small scene is Canadas national scene by default. NYC and LA are media centers of the USA but their cultures are not imposed on other parts of the nation (except Quebec which is culturally isolated and thus unique with its own vibe).

[Gixxermuscle]

(02-12-2012 10:36 AM)kosko Wrote:  

The logistics kill LAs potential. The ability to venue change on a whim and have a rough mental area map down of spots to take down like the above poster noted would be difficult to pull of in LA. From all the threads on this forum on LA that has been the common theme, no diss to the quality there tho!

Yes it is unfair to compare TO to NYC, it is the cancer that plagues this City. Toronto has penis envy more than any other place in the globe, it somehow views its self as worthy candidate that should be on the same level as LDN and NYC!?

It would be great to hear comparisons on equal Cities such as Chicago, Sydney, Stockholm.

One thing that I think shoots TO in the foot is that there isn't a lot of cool things to do. There aren't that many cool people in this City. The scene is quite small for a City of 5million. I am just an observer of this but it is a small number that is dominated by females... Not males. The majority of true trend setters usually bounce (To NYC) or totally divorce them selves from TO on a mental and physical level (bad example but think Drake).

Lastly Toronto small scene is Canadas national scene by default. NYC and LA are media centers of the USA but their cultures are not imposed on other parts of the nation (except Quebec which is culturally isolated and thus unique with its own vibe).

Ok, now I find myself having to defend Toronto. I really do not get this 'penis' envy I always read about regarding this city. People only talk about it in reference to the media, and the media loves to write about it. But I dont see it. I've lived here for 20 of my 28 years. Firstly, this city is 50% new Canadians, and of those most don't give a flying shit about comparing it to NYC. People are not as simplistic as these generalizations imply. Most people realize Toronto is what it is, I swear this 'envy' syndrome is made up by the media because people love reading about it.

There aren't that many cool people in this city? What does that even mean? 5 million peeps, generalizations like this are ridiculous. Is there a cool factor census being conducted.

I am convinced many people posting in this thread are not intimately familiar with this city or it's wide and diverse range of people. I work as a Private Investigator, and I have been all over this city, spending days in different neighbourhoods and strange places most people have no need to venture. From one end to the other. You cannot make generalizations. There are many different scenes here. There is also a TON to do, be it winter or summer. Sounds like a lot of sour grapes.

[Moma]

Gixxer, because you have lived here practically all your life, you don't have a valid frame of reference to compare Toronto on a major scale.

I have lived in London most of my life, lived in Miami and travelled to other cities. The only thing that Toronto has over Miami for me is that I don't have to travel so far to get my ingredients to make African soup.

That's all I can credit Toronto for. Everything else in here is watered down.

And it is a wannabe New York. I can smell it, I can feel it.

Toronto is alright if you are coming from a mash down third world country. But if you are coming from another first world country with one of the dominant cities as I have, I apologise for offending the Torontonians here but Toronto falls short. It doesn't have that spirit or identity.

Let's call a turkey a turkey.

[Kish]

Good shit Gixxermuscle. I like how you went against the grain but broke it down. There's a lot of subtle trolling going when these Toronto/DC sucks threads pop up. Guys claim a scene isn't that bad or great then add no details. Props

[misterstir]

(02-12-2012 06:28 AM)Richie Wrote:  

I wouldn't throw Paris, France into the mix. It's quite a unique place compared to the other european cities and the nightlife is surprisingly tame.
Personally I dont mind it but there are only a handful of options for such a big city.
Im interested in your thoughts about Cali / LA. I travelled down the coast from San Fran to LA in my early twenties. I dont know if it was my age but I cant remember anything that even vaguely resembled the level of debauchery and good times Im used to back home. It was all bars and lame hip hop venues.
My favourite TV shows are all American. At the moment Im really enjoying Californication. But as I see it... unless you are some actor, musician or writer being invited to drug fueled sex orgies in hollywood hills you are sitting in generic bars with very bright lights and smug bar staff. WOuld love to go back.. convince me its worth it!

(02-12-2012 01:53 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

There are plenty of New Yorkers in LA, and from when i was down there they saying was o your from new york, well your never going back there. You don't want to eat rat meat again do you?

I've been to London, and I wouldn't say London has a leg up on LA. Girls from Paris and France in general are very average looking. The most visited country in the world and you don't see much french threads up in here do you? French girls have nice personalities. If you're talking about things other than girls, then yeah, London, Paris great cities, but I wouldn't say they are significantly better than soCal. In fact I'd say there is a strong argument that Cali is the number 1 place because you have everything from silicon valley to san fran financial to hollywood

I guess it depends how long ago you travelled there. I went in the mid 2000s. I found girls in san fran nothin special on the eye but dtf, I found lots of beautiful women in LA and some smaller beach towns. It wasn't paradise but it was a significant improvement over Toronto. It really depends where you are from. As far as pretty women go realie you have girls coming from all over trying to make it in hollywood and fake tits/lips and self improvement is the norm there.

[misterstir]

(02-12-2012 10:21 AM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  

I live in Toronto, King West, and have been going to the clubs here for years. I've also traveled fairly extensively including living two years in West Palm Beach. I really do not understand the hate going on for Tdot right now. I go out virtually every weekend and always pick-up, grab numbers, or make out with chicks on the d-floor (no e-brag). I'm not into the bar/rock scene so cannot comment with regards to that, however when it comes to the clubs, you have to pick good venues. Stay away from Richmond, and the old club district, it is pure pure shit. Some on King West are now all sausage fests as well. However other places, like Bloke&4th recently, are 60- 70 percent chicks. I don't even run verbal game (it's hard in these venues obviously unless you go out to smoke), but rather go cave man style. Grab a girl (not just any broad, look for IOI's), be alpha as phuc about it, dance with them. Kiss them, grab digits, invite back, whatever. Caveman game works wonders in this scene, so long as you are in shape, dress well and fearless about it. I'm quite aggressive with this, twist a girls arm behind her back, squeeze their ass, just maintain a shit eating grin and be fearless. I will say I am ultra fit, this helps a lot, but I have less aesthetic buddies wheel girls EVERY weekend. YOu just have to be confident and aggressive. Girls in this city are less feminine than in SA or EE, and I find being very forward and masculine melts their cold hearts (again, I can't speak for rock/hipster girls, I dont meet them very often).

Toronto is nowhere near the top of having the highest per captia number of hot babes, but come on, it's also nowhere near the bottom. Chicks from all over southern ontario come to T.dot to see and be seen. The city is constantly importing attractive girls from neighbouring suburban regions who want to 'live and play' in the city.

I will agree though the liquor laws here are draconian and some of these clubs have horrible attitude and are overtly racist (I'm good looking, white. I have Asian friends get flat out denied entry.) Also, depends what ethnicity you are into, some clubs are all asian, some all persian, some all white college girls (my preference).

Girls will approach you in this city as well, and can be approachable. It's not this hopeless dark pit of despair some of you are making it out to be.

There are only 2 reasonable explanations here. 1. trolling. 2. you unusually good looking.
-Saying stay away from Richmond and Adelaide and the club district is like saying stay away from 90% of the clubs in Toronto because that is where they are. I am just trying to give an outsider perspective on what this guy is saying.
-Here is bloke and 4th
http://www.torontolife.com/daily/daily-d...e-and-4th/
You are running cave man game in there... really. I let the people judge for themself. Any place that is so lopsided female, in a city where men outnumber women under 30 by 20%, I'd have to question if they are just actively turning men away by not letting any in. This statement is like saying 80-90% female club in a city with a 50/50 ratio.
-Saying your ultra fit means you look like one of the male strippers off jersey shore to me. And if you look like that then you can pick up girls anywhere, but how many guys have time to work out 6 hours a day.
-No Toronto is near the bottom, when you cross out the 50% fat, you have to eliminate the 20% immigrants who aren't going to date you because your not from their country, then eliminate the 20% ugly
-Girls will approach you in Toronto Yes why don't you say the kind, fat or ugly thats it. If a girl likes you she sends her friend in Toronto she doesn't even have the guts or social ability to approach you herself because they are in such deep fear of rejection and like social skills.
-Yeah sure the attractive girls from Pickering and Markham and Niagara falls are constantly moving into Toronto, I've been to these places and they are not bastions of good looking women.
-The only conclusion I can come to is you're above average in good looks and have run largely social circle game so it doesn't seem "That bad" to you if your being honest. Also you must have little travel experience outside of Toronto because if you did, you would not be able to miss the fact that Toronto women engage in active subversion to prevent you from getting anywhere. No mention of cock blockers, no mention of you fucking any girls, very skimpy on the details of how you are banging all these women with little effort. IMO all the signs of someone exaggerating.
-I've never been in a worse city for pickup than Toronto period.