Quote: (02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:
Anyway, Joehoya im always with you in most of your arguments but this one i strongly disagree with you, come on, thats just mad selfish.
I 100% agree with you. It is mad selfish. The reason it is so selfish is that, when it comes to pussy, I AM SELFISH.
I couldn't give two shits if any other man on the planet got laid but me. It just doesn't concern me. I am certainly not going to go out of my way to help some unknown future guy get a piece of pussy that I didn't get a chance to sample.
I understand that a lot of guys have this sense of community and "brotherhood" where if they can't fuck the girl, at least they can help someone else do it. I don't have those feelings at all. The emotion is just not in me.
Once I have determined that a woman is completely rejecting my advances, and I am not going to score (at least not without investing significantly more effort than the girl is worth) then it is like she doesn't exist to me. I don't give her a second thought. I just say next and move on IMMEDIATELY. Not only does this method give me a few extra minutes to game other chicks, it has, on occasion, actually gotten me laid from the chick who rejected me.
It sounds weird, but my behavior confuses women. When a woman rejects a guy, for the most part they expect one of two responses:
1) The beta response, where the guy continues to orbit around her, but is just friends. The guy keeps this facade that this chick he was trying to bone actually has a personality that he wants to spend time with for reasons other than sex.
2) The "pass the pussy" response some guys on this forum are recommending. When a woman rejects these guys they respond with something along the lines of "fuck you you skanky bitch, I didn't want your ugly ass anyway." Negging and cutting into a woman who rejects you MAY help the next guy, but it usually won't help you (although some women respond positively to it).
When I just break contact and move on like they never existed, for a lot of women it is confusing. For most of the women, that is the end of things and I never see them again. However, some will try to reestablish contact with me and push the "lets be friends" thing. At this point, I, politely and calmly explain that I am not interested in just a friendship with them, and that I have more than enough friends that I want to spend my time with.
At this point, I will usually mention the unspoken fact that all of her guy friends are just orbiting around her because they are waiting for the opportunity to fuck her, but are too much of a bunch of pussies to actually be direct and make their feelings known. Here is the thing. WOMEN ALREADY KNOW THIS. When they meet a guy that calls them on it, this flips the script on them.
Now here is where it gets crazy. If the woman has tried to reestablish contact with me and become friends, and I have REJECTED HER REQUEST, my value has now risen above the other guys she blows offer AND HER VALUE HAS LOWERED relative to me. What kind of obviously straight male rejects a platonic friendship with an attractive woman? A MAN WITH BETTER OPTIONS.
At this point, it is not uncommon for a woman to act like she is going to give me another shot with her. They will often throw out some bullshit like "well, maybe we can go out on a date." Now, I PLAY HARD TO GET. I make her work for it. I use her initial rejection of me a symbol of bad judgement, and thus not being worthy to date me.
If she has gone far enough to "give me another shot" then she is in full on beta submissive mode and doesn't even know it. The key is that I don't do this with any kind of malice or anger. I tell her that I don't know about seeing her because I really only want to spend time with a woman who is smart, ambitious, open, etc. All those bullshit qualities that women WANT to believe that they possess. I imply that her initial rejection of me is a sign that she may not have those qualities.
Think of it like me being a college admissions adviser, and she is an applicant whose test scores are just 2 points too low. Now she has to fight to convince me that I should make an exception. In effect, I have given her a case of oneitis. Even though other guys would love to go out with her, she is trying to figure out what makes this guy (me) so special that he can blow her off like that.
The key to this is twofold. First, it is coming from a position of power where I know my value and my options. The fact is, in my little sandbox, there are more high quality women than there are men. I HAVE MORE CHOICES THAN HER. Once you operate from that mindset, doing anything other than quickly dropping a woman who rejects you doesn't make any sense.
Let me illustrate this a little further. Think of the most beautiful woman that you can imagine. Now imagine that you walk into a football stadium filled with women who all look like her. All identical. You approach one, and she rejects you. Are you going to waste your time insulting the one who rejected you, or are you going to immediately turn your attention one of the other 50,000 identical women there?
The second key might be more unique to me. My words are my best weapon. Some dudes have amazing fashion sense and are sharper than a diamond edged razor when they get suited up. Other dudes have the facial features of a model. For me, I can talk my way into a chicks head. Every minute a chick keeps talking to me, even if it is to figure out why I rejected her, I get deeper and deeper into her head. I figure out her hopes and dreams, and more importantly, her insecurities and fears. I take that information and use it to my advantage.
Quote: (02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:
If some of you dont want easy women, why are we all travelling to countries where women are easier?
Actually, I would argue that this isn't the case. The women aren't necessarily "easier" in the countries that we travel to. Instead we can project higher social status and uniqueness in these countries. Most American men will agree that
American women are some of the sluttiest women on the planet. Not only will a single American woman fuck a
high status guy at the drop of a hat, but many married/attached women will do the same without a second thought. I have heard the exact same thing about British women.
The problem is not that American women aren't easy. The problem is that there is a ton of competition from OTHER GUYS at the same social status as us. This competition gives women choices, and allows them to pick and chose. When we play that game, THEY are the one's that walk into the football stadium with 50,000 identical men.
No, we travel to these countries because we (hopefully) have an edge. We exploit an advantage of higher perceived social status and/or uniqueness. When you, pitt, go to the Dominican Republic, you are not just like every other local Dominican guy. You stand out, thus you have an advantage.
To really see this, read MiXX's and other's comments on the changes in Medellin. Read about how much harder it has become to game women there. Is it because all of these girls have found religion and suddenly become less slutty? No, it is because the social status of gringos has LOWERED.