[Tuthmosis]

(02-02-2012 08:10 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

This is a thread that illustrates a lot with what is wrong with men.

I don't disagree with you. But is it our responsibility (this tiny minority) to solve it? I don't think the solution is for the .05 percent of guys who have competent game to start serving up girls to the droves of thirsty betas and would-be cockblockers who would either fuck it up anyway (because they have zero game) or wouldn't extend the same courtesy even to their so-called friends, never mind a stranger like my-ass.

I spread goodwill, but within reason. I don't go out of my way to sabotage other guys, I try to leave girls "better than I found them" when I can, and I'll throw a guy a bone when I can (even a stranger), but this one-sided gifting idea seems doomed to fail. There are other ways to improve the abysmal circumstances, man.

Keep in mind that--at least in the US--we're fighting a losing battle against fatties. It's a race for the life boats! This all sounds nice in theory, but it's another thing to try to get a complete stranger laid on the off-chance that it will come back to the common.

[Raoul]

My mate did ask me the contact details of the hot chicks I haven't managed to bang from cold approach, I refused to give them to him. I mean I work very hard to get the numbers, there's no fucking way I am going to make it easier for other guys. Work on your own shit.

(02-02-2012 01:32 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Fuck that!! If I have to bust my ass, dress GQ, DHV, and play endless head games to fuck a 9, I'm certainly not gonna make it easier for the next guy. What's in it for me? Making the world a better place for your fellow man you may think perhaps?

No alpha male would ever do this! Why? Because alphas are selfish assholes, and that's all they need to fuck women every other day.

I'm 37, nobody ever made pussy snatching easy for me, and it keeps me hungry!

You mofos should be thankful a forum like this even exists! In my day, you did not even have a cell phone to call a girl and had to stand outside a pay phone in sub-freezing temps waiting for her to get home!

You fuckers already have it easy!! Now you want it even easier? Fuck you!


"baby, take it easy, I don't want it if it's that easy!" --Tupac Shakur
Mixx

[Raoul]

Well, if you live in a city that doesn't have a lot of hot chicks, this behavior is understandable. When there's no abundance of even decent looking girls, guys will be selfish sons of bitches.

(02-02-2012 08:10 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

This is a thread that illustrates a lot with what is wrong with men.

Unless you see an immediate reward to "passing it forward," guys won't do it.

That turns you into a stingy person.

My game is based on being magnanimous.

People who go out with my observe, "It's like we take over the bar."

The ability to fill up a space comes from abundance of spirit, overflow, if you will.

In the end, it enhances my life, too. Win-win.

[wolf]

In countries where women are a commodity it would work, but where everybody got a scarcity mentality it doesn't. If i'm not mistaken this is common around EE.

This is perfect for swingers. Swingers pass their women around like nothing, of course the other guy gets to sex your woman.

[Samseau]

I think some guys misunderstand the original post. The algorithm is:

1. First, try to bang her. Put yourself first.

2. If you can't, pass the pussy forward.

Can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be a good method? I think it is a sensible idea.



Also, there's probably no way any of us will make a difference in the grand scheme of things. The same is true of Fatgirljihad, this forum, your life, etc. So what?

[jdelisi]

I used to adhere to the "pass the pussy forward" idea, then I got cock blocked a few times, both from "friends" and guys I didn' even know.

Don't get me wrong I would Never cock block another dude, I just can't see myself helping someone out like that.

[soup]

(02-03-2012 01:24 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I think some guys misunderstand the original post. The algorithm is:

1. First, try to bang her. Put yourself first.

2. If you can't, pass the pussy forward.

Can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be a good method? I think it is a sensible idea.



Also, there's probably no way any of us will make a difference in the grand scheme of things. The same is true of Fatgirljihad, this forum, your life, etc. So what?

Only the future can really tell, but I think forums like these will make a difference.

The problem with pass the pussy forward thinking is that it is defeatist. If you have really good game, you're not going to get to a point where she won't fuck you. You will have either screened her out, or you will have sowed the anti-LMR seed far in advance.

LMR is actually a sign of bad game. It's a throwback to the attraction phase. There you are, having to prove yourself to her again by passing a massive shit test.

[Raoul]

Last Minute Resistance is not a sign of bad game, if anything it is a sign that the girl is not sexually liberated or has low sex drive.

(02-03-2012 05:06 AM)soup Wrote:  

LMR is actually a sign of bad game. It's a throwback to the attraction phase. There you are, having to prove yourself to her again by passing a massive shit test.

[snoop]

(02-02-2012 08:48 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

The only time I feel this is possible if it's with one of your buddies. If I'm out with my friends and I'm not getting anywhere with a girl I will do what I can to talk one of my bros up. They do the same for me so it works out well. I would never go out of my way to help some random guy who would cock block me at the drop of a hat though.

In addition to having your friends talking you up, It helps keep you laid back and reduces a lot of the anxiety/pressure some people feel b/c you aren't putting yourself out there. It can also confuse the girl b/c it is different and makes her wonder why you aren't into her, so she starts trying to win you over.

[snoop]

(02-03-2012 05:29 AM)Raoul Wrote:  

Last Minute Resistance is not a sign of bad game, if anything it is a sign that the girl is not sexually liberated or has low sex drive.

(02-03-2012 05:06 AM)soup Wrote:  

LMR is actually a sign of bad game. It's a throwback to the attraction phase. There you are, having to prove yourself to her again by passing a massive shit test.

This can be anything though, it doesn't always have to be internalized as "I did something wrong", sometimes you just catch a bad break.

Maybe they get a text with some bad news, maybe they start their period (or are about to) and feel embarassed/uncomfortable, etc.

[Samseau]

soup Wrote:

The problem with pass the pussy forward thinking is that it is defeatist. If you have really good game, you're not going to get to a point where she won't fuck you. You will have either screened her out, or you will have sowed the anti-LMR seed far in advance.

This isn't even close to true. You can run the tightest game in the world on millions of women that would never bang you. It's usually pretty obvious when you won't get the bang.

And if you've "screened her out", that also means you aren't going to bang her, so pass it forward.

[Moma]

I agree fully with Samseau. There is nothing wrong about passing it forward and if you want to take it there, a real player/PUA/whateverthefcukyouwanttocallyourself shouldn't feel that he will lose out by passing unavailable or unattainable lizards forward to the next man. It is an effortless process.

For instance, I'm not overly wow'ed by white lizards. If I am in a club or a venue and a white lizard is giving me what I consider unnecessary hassle in trying to give up the goods, I feel no ways about passing her forward to some of you guys who might have better luck/skill/desire in sliding inside her.

It's the energy of the universe. Give and take. For instance, if you had less betas out there being selfish (taking and taking) instead of checking a bitch when she gets out of line (giving), you wouldn't have so many cats in these cities complaining about lizards getting out of hand or overweight.

They wouldn't exist because there would be a social taboo for a lizard to being fat and rude.

It's the exact same concept, just packaged in a different sense.

In a testimony to incomplete game if a guy can't pass a lizard forward. Shyt, you passed her forward because you don't want her anyways so wad izza da problem?
It's the exact same mentality.

[joehoya]

(02-02-2012 01:32 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Fuck that!! If I have to bust my ass, dress GQ, DHV, and play endless head games to fuck a 9, I'm certainly not gonna make it easier for the next guy. What's in it for me? Making the world a better place for your fellow man you may think perhaps?

No alpha male would ever do this! Why? Because alphas are selfish assholes, and that's all they need to fuck women every other day.

I'm 37, nobody ever made pussy snatching easy for me, and it keeps me hungry!

You mofos should be thankful a forum like this even exists! In my day, you did not even have a cell phone to call a girl and had to stand outside a pay phone in sub-freezing temps waiting for her to get home!

You fuckers already have it easy!! Now you want it even easier? Fuck you!


"baby, take it easy, I don't want it if it's that easy!" --Tupac Shakur
Mixx

THANK YOU!!

What possible reason would I have to waste even a minute of my life doing that shit, especially with a chick that I didn't get to bang?

Also, in terms of "putting her in her place", personally I like the walls and shit tests chicks throw up. If it weren't for all the shit women throw at dudes, BETAS would be getting a lot more pussy. The competition would go up exponentially. If a woman has a barrier that I know how to get around, why would I knock that barrier down so that other guys can just stroll through, how does it benefit me?

All of these walls, shit tests, and general bitchiness issues create a situation were the beta majority are in a pussy drought, while real alpha guys have an overabundance of pussy. If you are a real alpha guy, why would you EVER want to change that?

[soup]

So, would you say that LMR is just another unavoidable stage in the game that can't be dealt with in a preventative way?

Doesn't excellent game work to minimize or eliminate LMR before it comes up? I thought that was the whole point of takeaways, push-pull, giving them plausible deniability, slow boiling the frog, etc.

Also, if you have good game, you're preventing them from texting while they hang with you.

I think that if you have great inner game, you are automatically passing it forward. Your standards, integrity, and the way you carry yourself and interact with other people are all working to deflate girls' egos. I just don't think that PPF is something that needs to be pro-active.

We should all do what we can to check girls in general, but I can't justify being in the LJBF zone and telling the chick that some other guy that I'm not winging for sounded cute on the phone. Aside from girls that I'm not gaming, I can't ever justify being in a friend zone. Moreover, if a girl is unattainable, what makes you think that you'll have the power to pass her forward in the first place? Your frame is weaker than hers.

Real passing the pussy forward would be like if you've already fucked her and you use whatever influence you have to hook her up with your friend.

[pitt]

(02-03-2012 10:04 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:32 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Fuck that!! If I have to bust my ass, dress GQ, DHV, and play endless head games to fuck a 9, I'm certainly not gonna make it easier for the next guy. What's in it for me? Making the world a better place for your fellow man you may think perhaps?

No alpha male would ever do this! Why? Because alphas are selfish assholes, and that's all they need to fuck women every other day.

I'm 37, nobody ever made pussy snatching easy for me, and it keeps me hungry!

You mofos should be thankful a forum like this even exists! In my day, you did not even have a cell phone to call a girl and had to stand outside a pay phone in sub-freezing temps waiting for her to get home!

You fuckers already have it easy!! Now you want it even easier? Fuck you!


"baby, take it easy, I don't want it if it's that easy!" --Tupac Shakur
Mixx

THANK YOU!!

What possible reason would I have to waste even a minute of my life doing that shit, especially with a chick that I didn't get to bang?

Also, in terms of "putting her in her place", personally I like the walls and shit tests chicks throw up. If it weren't for all the shit women throw at dudes, BETAS would be getting a lot more pussy. The competition would go up exponentially. If a woman has a barrier that I know how to get around, why would I knock that barrier down so that other guys can just stroll through, how does it benefit me?

All of these walls, shit tests, and general bitchiness issues create a situation were the beta majority are in a pussy drought, while real alpha guys have an overabundance of pussy. If you are a real alpha guy, why would you EVER want to change that?

Thats an interesting debate and im loving the fact that not all of us are agreeing to the same thing, thats how we grow more, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

Anyway, Joehoya im always with you in most of your arguments but this one i strongly disagree with you, come on, thats just mad selfish.

I think the idea is brilliant and actually i have been doing that for years. Usually when i know i tried enough to bang a chick and she didnt put out, i will make sure im letting her know that she is not all that. Fuck, i remember one time my good friend pulled these two chicks at my house (this was all in London), he took his one to my bedroom and her friend was chilling with me in the living room, few minutes of convo, i start touching the bitch, kissing her and shit, i try to get her to suck my cock and she doesnt want to do it, i try to bang her and she doesnt want to do it, plus she is acting like she is a 10..i told her you know whatt, get the fuck outta of my house (this was 1 in the morning), i started mentioning her imperfections and how stupid she is..i kicked her out and she was over crying..my friend went outside to console her..then she told my friend ''he is so rude and i really liked him'..well i didnt bang but i bet the next guy that she finds attractive will have it way easier than me.

Gaming is business. I remember Jose Mourinho (a portuguese football coach well known in Europe for those who dont know) using this strategy many times in football. Once, when he wanted to buy Carvalho from Chelsea to Real Madrid, he told the media that the price that Chelsea is charging for Carvalho is overrated, that Carvalho is old and soon nobody will want him for their team. Mourinho said that in order to reduce the value of Carvalho and kill competition. A month after, the other coaches that were interested in buying Carvalho didnt want him anymore, Carvalho value reduced a lot and Mourinho bought him right after.

Obviously that in this case Mourinho was the main act and the person who gained from this but in game we can reduce a woman's value and pass it to the next man. Also, doing this it wont mean that any beta will fuck the shit out of her, it means that she would make things easier for a guy who she will normally find attractive but will usually make things hard for him to fuck her, however this time this woman will need to prove herself that she is worth being fucked by a quality guy because her self esteem was already destroyed by the previous alpha guy who dished her and made her feel like shit. Now she is in doubt about her hotness so in order to build her self esteem again, she needs to fuck a quality guy.

I think most of you guys that disagree with this, probably wouldnt also let your friends bang a girl that you have already fucked.

One more thing, the more a woman is approached, complimented, wanted by good looking guys and rich guys, the more her value increases. But when she feels used by some of these same guys or some guys completely dish her as if she was a piece of shit, thats when she really loses her value. When she loses her value, it becomes more affordable for everybody else in the market, she is now a cheaper product and easy to be bought. Depreciate a woman's value and everybody have it easy.

Put in your minds that you could be the next man, fuck we are all approaching a new women every day and the more insecure she is, the easier she will be. If some of you dont want easy women, why are we all travelling to countries where women are easier?

I dont chase woman for too long, if i want it to be hard, i may just start a serious relationship.

[MiXX]

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

come on, thats just mad selfish.

You did not direct this at me, but I'm gonna answer anyway, 'cuz Im a dick like that

It is selfish Pitt, no argument there. An alpha is an extremely selfish prick, who think it's all about himself to stratosphere levels! That's who hot women fuck 90% of the time!

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Put in your minds that you could be the next man

It already is in my mind I'm the next man, which is why Alphas are selfish dicks to begin with! I should know.

Mixx

[pitt]

(02-03-2012 11:04 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

come on, thats just mad selfish.

You did not direct this at me, but I'm gonna answer anyway, 'cuz Im a dick like that

It is selfish Pitt, no argument there. An alpha is an extremely selfish prick, who think it's all about himself to stratosphere levels! That's who hot women fuck 90% of the time!

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Put in your minds that you could be the next man

It already is in my mind I'm the next man, which is why Alphas are selfish dicks to begin with! I should know.

Mixx

Mixx i guess you shouldnt hate on cockblockers too, they are usually very selfish people and don't want to see you fucking. You may just encourage cockblocking too

Anyway, whatever works for you G.

[soup]

(02-03-2012 11:04 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

come on, thats just mad selfish.

You did not direct this at me, but I'm gonna answer anyway, 'cuz Im a dick like that

It is selfish Pitt, no argument there. An alpha is an extremely selfish prick, who think it's all about himself to stratosphere levels! That's who hot women fuck 90% of the time!

(02-03-2012 10:57 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Put in your minds that you could be the next man

It already is in my mind I'm the next man, which is why Alphas are selfish dicks to begin with! I should know.

Mixx

I'm with Mixx on this. If you have to pass it forward, there's something you are doing wrong. There's some beta thing that's leaking out. If the whole alpha/beta thing is relative, you really do have to be the alpha exception and can't have any thoughts of passing pussy on to other guys. It's got to be all about you, otherwise she will smell it. Thus, PPF thinking can actually hurt your game. This is my gripe with promoting PPF.

[Moma]

Pitt has a very valid point which I didn't see. If you gonna be selfish, then you can't hate on cockblockers since that is a branch of selfishness too. But all in all, we can do what we want. I think I will try passing the pussy forward. It doesn't hold any negative values for me, I'm too pimpish to give a fcuk really.

It's all love

[Nonpareil]

I actually think that this happens inadvertently, where if one guy is spitting flimsy game or enough game to get her intrigued but he then fails to stick the landing, it does make the job that much easier for the next man because she's just that much more receptive to being seduced. We've all seen it before; at the club or at a party some guy is talking to some girl, then he whiffs somehow and a few hours later she's making out with the next man.

But if I'm gonna bust my ass trying to get in between a girl's legs and my efforts come up short, unless it's a dear friend or someone within the circle, then you're on your own; feel free to stack your style on top of where mine came short when I move on, just don't expect me to actively help you. For someone I like I might try to grease up the wheels a little, but the problem with that is that if you do too much (such as talking your friend up excessively) you run the risk of cockblocking your friend by removing all of the spontaneity and intrigue out of the seduction. Your boy is an ex-Navy SEAL who is going to college to be a veterinarian and teaches inner-city kids how to play basketball on the weekend...she wants to find out that stuff on her own, no need to tell her.

But aside from that, it's me first; if I was in the business of doing favors for the competition, I'd be out of business. Let's not forget, a lot of the time a rejection is just her way of saying 'try a little harder' or 'try something different'. I can understand the merits of this in a society where honor was repaid with honor, but in a society where everything is a business transaction and increasing the bottom line is the number one goal? I don't really see the forward pass becoming a widespread practice.

And not doing this doesn't make a man stingy; it makes him a realist. Men are not women, we can't just go through life expecting favors and handouts because people want to fuck us. It's a shark-eat-shark world out there, I'm not making it easier for someone when not only has no one made it easier for me, but as a young white male people are actually trying to make it harder for me. If you're over 20 years old, you should be able to set up your own ass, bottom lino.

[MiXX]

(02-03-2012 11:20 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Mixx i guess you shouldnt hate on cockblockers too, they are usually very selfish people and don't want to see you fucking. You may just encourage cockblocking too

Anyway, whatever works for you G.

A true Alpha never cockblocks; he does not need to. An alpha player is too busy focusing on the women he is about to fuck, not the one some other fool thinks he's gonna fuck.

Cock-blocking is a form of resentment for NOT being the "desired male/female for sex", it is not a display of Higher value because you truly feel you are the man, it is a display of lower value because you are pissed-off and want revenge.

Get me now?

Mixx

[Mr.GM]

(02-03-2012 12:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

A true Alpha never cockblocks; he does not need to. An alpha player is too busy focusing on the women he is about to fuck, not the one some other fool thinks he's gonna fuck.

Cock-blocking is a form of resentment for NOT being the "desired male/female for sex", it is not a display of Higher value because you truly feel you are the man, it is a display of lower value because you are pissed-off and want revenge.

Get me now?

Mixx

Well said.

[el mechanico]

(02-03-2012 12:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 11:20 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Mixx i guess you shouldnt hate on cockblockers too, they are usually very selfish people and don't want to see you fucking. You may just encourage cockblocking too

Anyway, whatever works for you G.

A true Alpha never cockblocks; he does not need to. An alpha player is too busy focusing on the women he is about to fuck, not the one some other fool thinks he's gonna fuck.

Cock-blocking is a form of resentment for NOT being the "desired male/female for sex", it is not a display of Higher value because you truly feel you are the man, it is a display of lower value because you are pissed-off and want revenge.

Get me now?

Mixx

How about when you are pulling a robbery? Someones getting cockblocked. If you walk into a place and all the girls are talking or it appears that they are with someone you have to bull in. That's cockblocking but you have to stir the pot to see who's who.

[MiXX]

(02-03-2012 12:37 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

How about when you are pulling a robbery? Someones getting cockblocked. If you walk into a place and all the girls are talking or it appears that they are with someone you have to bull in. That's cockblocking but you have to stir the pot to see who's who.

NO, cock-blocking is the intentional barrier created to stop someone from getting sex who is clearly getting a lot of attention/sexual kino from someone who indirectly or directly rejected you.

When you "stir the pot" those parameters have not been clearly defined, as you said, you are "stirring the pot"; not cock-blocking.

At this point, I move for a dismissal of all charges that I am a potential cock-blocker because I'm a selfish alpha.


Mixx

[pitt]

(02-03-2012 12:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 11:20 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Mixx i guess you shouldnt hate on cockblockers too, they are usually very selfish people and don't want to see you fucking. You may just encourage cockblocking too

Anyway, whatever works for you G.

A true Alpha never cockblocks; he does not need to. An alpha player is too busy focusing on the women he is about to fuck, not the one some other fool thinks he's gonna fuck.

Cock-blocking is a form of resentment for NOT being the "desired male/female for sex", it is not a display of Higher value because you truly feel you are the man, it is a display of lower value because you are pissed-off and want revenge.

Get me now?

Mixx

Exactly. The same goes for you guys that dont want to pass the pussy forward. You dont want to pass the pussy forward because she didnt make it easy for you and because she didnt give it to you or didnt make it easy for you, so you think no one else should have it. The same goes for people who have lived a hard life and hate when others are living an easy life, they want to make the life of others miserable because their lives are miserable.

Think about this, if a woman's value is depreciated, everybody else will have it easier. If you are so selfish, why are you breaking down strategies and telling us places where women are easier to game? If being alpha is about being selfish, why are you doing this? Well, because you know that others will feel more likely to share their strategies and their secret destinations because you are contributing and when we are all doing this, we all benefit. You go to country X and you have an easier time because you already have an idea of how their culture functions and other users have an easier time to your recommended destination because they have an idea of how that culture functions, so all in all, we all have an easier time and life is easier for all of us.

The same could be applied for passing the pussy forward, you depreciate a woman's value and the next man will have it easier, the last man that tried to bang woman X and didnt bang, can depreciate her value and you as the next man will have an easier time (as a note, you can also depreciate a woman's value even if you have banged her).


You never pulled one of these chicks that was mad because she had an argument with her boyfriend? And she decided to sleep with you because he called her some nasty names and made her feel miserable? Well she was a loyal girl till then but now because someone has destroyed her self esteem, she became insecure and needs someone to validate her. So her boyfriend made things easier for you (without knowing it) because he insulted her and depreciated her value.