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02-14-2015, 03:28 PM
"The problem with paternity testing is that it assumes that the people DOING the testing are honest about the results.I can't find the link, but I did come across an article some time ago about how pediatricians who treat rare diseases often find out that the dad isn't the bio-dad, but DON'T TELL HIM "for the child" and basically tell them mom that they know, but they won't tell. Fucking assholes."
That is silly. The paternity testing agency is paid to deliver an honest result, a pediatrician is paid to treat a disease. As far as the pediatrician is concerned, spilling family secrets is not his job, and honestly I wouldn't fault one for staying mum. Doctors are overloaded as it is. How would a paternity testing agency deceiving its own customer base be good for business? Plus they might open themselves up to a lawsuit if they lied, given the use of such testing in court.
I used to think mandatory paternity testing was a good idea but I wonder... If every chick KNEW the baby would be tested, she would be more careful about using birth control while fucking around, at least the more cunning women would. Keeping it optional makes cuckolding more likely if the woman is cheating, and thus easier to catch.
Which begs the next question - is it better to stay in a relationship with a woman cheating but she still has your kids, or to have her cuckold you and then an immediate divorce. I'd want the latter. But as blackhawk wisely noted (great post btw), some may opt for the former. And I'd imagine that even those upper class women who are cheating would not want to be known socially as bastard mongers. So perhaps widespread, voluntary, surreptitious paternity testing is best. I like Sonsowey's 23andme idea, though you'd probably want to get a second test just to confirm.
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02-14-2015, 06:15 PM
^Good point, since we're talking in theoretical terms.
If a man is dumb enough not to get a paternity test he can raise the kid, while those of us who are wouldn't have to worry about raising someone else's bastard.
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02-15-2015, 02:54 AM
Don't put too much weight into 23andme.
It's all the astrology shit about "you were born under these stars" repackaged as "you were born under these genes". Trying to use 23andme to establish paternity is probably a big waste of money.
It's chick crack pseudo-science with just enough scientific veneer that your friends won't scoff.
"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta."
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02-15-2015, 04:44 AM
I had a DNA test with my daughter now 6 months old and it is a requirement for any future children that i will have. Now she even looks like me a lot, but it can be hard to tell in the beginning, especially if it is a premature child like my daughter was. (I live alone now and visit my daughter 3 times a week)
2 years ago my child's mother had a son with another man than her ex husband and I helped the ex husband to reveal the truth and get a paternity test, because I knew who the real father was. He wasn't allowed by the government to get a DNA test because there was not a real father to test. So you have to get a name and a man that is willing to get tested in order to get a DNA test here. Luckily for the child and for the ex husband, he kind of had the feeling that the child wasn't his and therefore he didn't have any contact to the kid after they divorced when the child was 7 months old.
My child's mother and her family would try to hide the lie until the very end, and after that they acted as if nothing had happened and as if the real father had been there all along. (the kid was 1 and a half before his real father came into his life). The poker face and the cynicism my child's mother and her family had, has taught me some very very important lessons in life.
Funny thing is, the ex husband who was not the father is a big dominant, violent steroid using tattoo artist who rides a motorcycle.
The real father, a former boyfriend is a fat, stupid and submissive guy who was still in love with her.
So the discovery happened all during the pregnancy with my child and of course I couldn't trust the mother, even though I had had sex with her everyday in the period she got pregnant. So I required a DNA test and always will from now on.
One more funny thing: Before meeting my child's mother I had just read "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker making me really anxious
about the darkness and cynicism of female sexuality.
I tell all my friends and everyone I know to make it clear to any woman, that if they have children he will require a DNA test.
One of my best friends who is not red pill or game aware, he tells me that his father required a DNA test back in 93' and that he also will get a DNA test with any children he might have. So some guys are aware of female sexuality even without knowing anything about red pill wisdom otherwise.
But what is up with adopting? why would anyone do that?
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02-15-2015, 05:49 AM
As much as we have to respect everybody's love choices, I strongly believe that a women with kids, no matter if she got them inside or outside of wedlock, is damaged goods and shouldn't be dated, ever. Unless the kids are yours. They can be good for satisfying natural desires, but not more.
Anyway, I'm strongly in favor of mandatory birth-time DNA testing for every mother, without exception, before any official document can be emitted.
They should include DNA testing right at the hospital, before the mother is allowed to take her baby out. This would obviously create more government-raised children, but the burden will be on the taxpayers, whilst the amount being so minimal that nobody will complain, rather than on a poor man who believed he would become a father.
I believe that western countries should follow Thailand regarding child support laws. It's a good example. I read the law dispositions, and I understood the following:
- For childs born outside of marriage, they are considered bastard children and child support is not applicable; regardless of the father's financial situation.
- For legitimate children, upon couple separation (which is rare), the father has to pay child support; however, if he finds out later by DNA testing that he is not the father, the child support payments end immediately. Even if he signed the documents at birth.
- The father can, at any time, sign a document agreeing to pay child support, ON HIS OWN WILL.
So you can basically knock-up your girlfriend if you're not married, run away, and walk free. However, Thai people don't abuse the law regarding child care and there is generally no problem with that. Luckily, feminist movement hasn't spead here yet.
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02-15-2015, 07:05 AM
Thailand is alpha. Anybody watch Lauren Lake Paternity Court?
Don't debate me.
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02-16-2015, 04:22 AM
You can definitely use 23andme to establish paternity. I'm not sure what the legal status is but I know for a fact that if you gave me 23andme raw data for two individuals, I could tell you how or if those individuals are related.
The FDA ban has nothing to do with the quality of 23andme's data and everything to do with 23andme failing to play the FDA's game and proving that its analyses of the raw data provides accurate medical diagnoses.
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02-16-2015, 07:31 AM
What part of 23andme is bullshit?
The FDA told them to stop providing health results, saying "you have Gene X, people with gene X have an elevated risk for Disease Y".
The ethnicity thing is admittedly ambiguous, there are many calculators out there that can give you differing reaults.
But it sure is one hell of a coincidence that these voodoo hockers were able to tell me that my mother and I share 50% of our genome.
What are the chances!
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05-03-2016, 05:12 PM
This is purely anecdotal, however, I personally know of two wives who cucked their husbands. One with their oldest child of three kids and one other with the middle child of 3 kids. I would say that I know approximately 80-90 couples well enough to even have a sense of this so that 2-4 percent statistic seems to hold up.
It definitely shakes my faith in humanity to hear it right from the mother that she fucked around, got pregnant, and then made the husband raise her bastard. In both instances, both the child and the husband are completely clueless. Which I find hard to believe when the one kid is so obviously different looking (hair, eyes, coloring etc.).
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If they did DNA testing for every birth...
05-03-2016, 07:03 PM
But genetically speaking, being cuckholded could be better than marrying out of your ethnic group. It sounds wrong but hear me out.
Scenario A. Man marries a woman of his own ethnic group. She sleeps with someone else from the same group and gets pregnant.
Scenario B. Man marries of different ethnicity and has child with her.
There would actually be much more genetic similarity between the man and child in A than in B. I would go as far as to say they will have more similar personalities and get along better too. It does depend on how homogenous the group in question is.
Cuckoldry is bad, but marrying out is worse if you wanna pass on your genes.
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05-03-2016, 09:20 PM
Marrying out can sometimes be done strategically - if the woman you choose rectifies some kind inherent genetic shortcoming.
Something that highly insular groups have had to do every so often to avoid extinction.
But being cucked - no way is that acceptable. Ever.