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MGTOW dustup: clash of personalities and definitions
01-25-2015, 08:29 AM
I hate it when people call MGTOW a "movement." It's not a movement, it's an idea. It's going Galt. It's refusing to play a rigged game.
On the other hand, it's not being a celibate or a weak man. I consider an outlaw more of a MGTOW than some basement dweller playing games all day.
Regardless, when you understand MGTOW as an idea and not a movement, then it makes sense. Some of the men who use this idea will be great, and others will be losers. Just like anything else in life.
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MGTOW dustup: clash of personalities and definitions
01-25-2015, 12:40 PM
I'll probably expand this idea into something larger later, but the truth is "Passion is the goal; Identity is the obstacle".
MGTOWs, Roosh, MikeCF, Victor Pride and every red pill guy accept that the system is corrupt, that women are biologically inferior, that the government lies to us in order to get us dependent upon it, that the court system is anti-male, that social media artificially boosts women's egos, and on, and on, and on.
MGTOWs try to turn this knowledge into their identities. As in, "Because I know this stuff, I'm MGTOW. And you all have to admire and respect me because I have this knowledge." But Roosh, MikeCF, Victor Pride, and every successful red pill guy says, "The stuff that I know isn't my Identity. I don't give a fuck about my Identity, because I'm too passionate about what I'm doing. And if you're sacrificing your time by NOT doing anything you're passionate about, then you're Identity is really, 'I'm a nobody.'"
So it's only half the battle to know the truth; the other half is to do something you're passionate about despite your knowledge of the truth.
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01-25-2015, 11:10 PM
This shit is hilarious:
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Yes, we have prevented 7 weddings in 4 years. Two of them right in the middle of the ceremony. The groom(s) were shown evidence that their fiancées had recently been at a bachelorette party just prior to the wedding and performed oral sex on a male stripper…. and then paid the stripper and their bar tab with their future husband’s credit card.
We charge a very small % of what the groom would lose in a divorce, which saves him a fortune. In the case of a high-profile example – like Tiger Woods – who’s wife was bad in bed and beat him with a golf club, she made off with 1/4 of a billion dollars. We would have only charged $2.5 million to stop that wedding. That represents a savings for Mr. Woods of $247,500,000. Not too shabby.
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01-25-2015, 11:48 PM
The Sandman on RVF is not the same one making YouTube videos. I asked.
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01-31-2015, 08:23 AM
I really wonder how big this phenomenon in the West is of men avoiding marriage. It seems like a great portion of the men here are avoiding marriage (though we have some married men in our ranks). All of those MGTOW youtube channels are growing. It is becoming more of a thing. It is not mainstream yet though Milo's Sexodus articles over at Breitbart was the first real mainstream piece on the subject matter. Not only that, but those Sexodus articles were EXTREMELY POPULAR. They were posted all over Facebook and the articles had literally thousands of comments which indicates to me that there is an undercurrent in our society where this idea is being kicked around in the heads of millions of people.
Perhaps I was being too hard on the MGTOW movement (they call themselves a movement) but as someone pointed out earlier, when you have the likes of playboys like DiCaprio in the same company as basement dwelling omegas, then perhaps some redefinition is in order. Also, scanning through youtube videos you see MGTOW comments and some of them are legitimately misogynists in the true sense of the word. There are some over there who just truly hate & despise women. We are often called misogynists here at RVF but no one here really hates women. We often laugh at feminists and poke fun at the irrationality of female nature & psychology, but there is no true hatred here. There is some hatred in MGTOW ranks.
Swearing off relationships forever doesnt seem to be healthy to me and thats what the MGTOWs are doing. However, if someone said you had to marry one of the women in your life at this moment within the next year, the thought of it literally makes me wince or cringe. Even the women I have fun with and enjoy their company, I do not think I could marry them. Does this make me a MGTOW? Am I a hypocrite? I'm not sure.
These hoes aint loyal. The problem is that most women in today's society are not prepared for marriage and they are unwilling to assume the role of wife. However, they want the wedding, maybe they want kids, and they want the security of marriage (and the system is designed to ensure their financial security regardless if you remain married or not- both will be at your personal expense). Women are getting theirs. What are men getting out of the whole ordeal?
Even the so-called "traditional" women here in the USA will gladly pick up the flag of feminism and start waving it around if it is to their advantage (see Jenny Erikson). You are really taking a chance no matter who you marry.
The quality of a lot of women is just not as good as it could be. The entitlement mentality has gotten out of control. It seems little effort is put into anything women do nowadays, yet there will be a brigade of white knights and manginas clapping like seals for them (the thirst is strong). We see it daily with the fat acceptance, short hair, facial piercings, tattoos, frumpy style of dress, lack of personal development (improving your worldly knowledge). I was on Interpals and was talking to this Ukrainian chick, she said she likes to read Tolstoy. Most of the American girls I work with, the last book they read was: 50 Shades of Grey, Harry Potter, or some teen vampire romance novel... also the sarcasm and snark just screams tryhard. These women behave in some obnoxious manners all in an attempt to get attention. It is literally like a child. It's mind-numbing dealing with such low quality life forms.
I often look around and examine the culture & society of the West and ask myself, "what is the point of all this?"
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01-31-2015, 06:55 PM
^ Are you talking about The NiceGuy's American Women Suck forums when you are talking about where the idea of MGTOW originated from?