Quote: (01-22-2015 12:37 PM)Suits Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2015 08:42 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
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Quote: (01-22-2015 08:04 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
Zelcorpion, I believe that is where MGTOW splits into two groups....
Regular MGTOW. Which are men who women would under normal circumstances find attractive, or even in our poisoned society find attractive, but don't want to be tied down in a long term relationship for one of many different reasons.
And "FTL MGTOW". "FTL" stands for "Forced True Loneliness". This would be the guys at Wizard Chan often times, or the My Little Pony guys. The are men and they are going their own way, but they don't have enough value to really have much choice in the matter.
So basically Herbivore Male Light and Herbivore Male Extra-Strength?
None of it is any good. I don't know why we should even bother to recognize the minutiae between the two.
Nah, I see all men who don't play by the terms of our PC society as MGTOW. And I think most men in MGTOW would agree. Most every poster here is a MGTOW. Rather than working in a cubical in a soul sucking job for 45 years to make some fat harpie happy, and to produce 2.3 kids who think you are a buffoon, the men here are blazing their own path.
Whether it is to be a player, or even in a marriage, but one in which you don't subscribe to this PC nonsense and you are in charge of it and your own happiness, I see you as a MGTOW.
There are just varying degrees of how involved you want women to be in your life. Men Going Their Own Way, IMO, stands for men saying "enough of this PC nonsense that goes 100% what I want out of my life, I am going to go get what I WANT and not what society wants me to do".
Is it a bad sign for society? Yes, it is a bad sign that society is so bad that soon a majority of men will check out in one form or another. But it might be the natural cure for this PC Marxist nonsense.
That's a pretty broad label.
That includes practically every private business owner. Maybe every NFL player.
It even includes me. I'm not sure if I like that. I'd like to avoid any label that puts me in the same camp as Cardguy.
Well, TBH, I believe I was on the forum and the thread when the term "MGTOW" was coined and after a few days the guys there came up with the road sign symbol.
Unless they brought it from some where else, and pretended to make it up, and I don't believe that is the case. This was back in 2004.
If so, then the original idea was that men cannot beat women once women have equality. They have the majority of vote, money, degrees, and still hold the "minority status victim card". Not to mention women have a collectivist mindset, where men are individualistic. So a men's movement against women is not the answer to beating this PC feminist nonsense. It would lose.
Instead the proposal of MGTOW was born. There is no definition for what it takes to be a MGTOW. Any guy that says "if you get married or have a GF means you can't be a MGTOW" is wrong, IMO and in the creators opinion. MGTOW is simply each man swallowing the red pill then using their freedom to fit this huge wealth of knowledge into their life how they choose to do.
So if the shop owner or NFL star is red pill and doesn't buy into this feminist nonsense drivel then they would be red pill. But if they buy into this nonsense, then they are still blue pill. Despite their financial freedom, they still place themselves in a PC prison of having to appeal to other Americans and worry about what others think of them.
Some people think MGTOW are all celibate or all MGTOW are Force True Loneliness. IMO that is not true, MGTOW are men who swallowed the red pill, realize there is no going back, and live their lives the way they want, on their terms, and spread this great knowledge to other men.
At least that is how I see it and I believe the creators saw it. There are no parameters, there is no official leader, it is individual men enjoying their red pill freedom how they see fit and spreading the knowledge.