Quote: (12-01-2014 11:02 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

What's up with the Nazi symbolism in that video? I sure hope SJWs are watching.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_(Nicki_Minaj_song)#Controversy

Yes there has been controversy about the imagery in the video. I'd say the average person wouldn't immediately discern the symbolism and it's so subtle that of course it's the paranoid types that would pick it up quickest.

Drake is definitely the softest rapper out there. You know in his body language that he's soft and as Jariel stated too much time in the Strip Club. Though Kanye marrying Kim is also making me doubt him. The marriage might be publicity or for social influence, but considering Kanye's music it feels like a betrayal. Though I do enjoy both.

Quote: (12-03-2014 03:33 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2014 10:08 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

I find it more than a little ironic that GManifesto would refer to Drake as soft.

I'm not sure I get it.
Drake is probably worth a couple hundred million dollars.
He is internationally famous, and continues to do well. He goes where he wants, when he wants. He fucks what he wants, when he wants. He can consume whatever he wants, live wherever he wants.
Like many celebrities, his public persona is likely carefully created to ensure continued wealth and status, and may or may not have anything to do with his real life.
To call him soft or beta is fairly laughable.
Even more so when the person doing so spent years portraying himself online as a multi millionaire playboy and businessman, and in reality was a pasty middle aged computer nerd.
If I was slightly circumspect in how I did it, it is because there are still apparently a great number of RVF members who are butthurt over the whole thing and view any perceived slight against GManifesto to be an insult to the RVF at large.

The internets say he's worth $35 and $50, and don't even buy that. To call him anything but beta and soft is laughable.

Drake is soft. Either that or he is the most successful rap troll of all times. The image he puts across makes my buttocks pucker in disgust. But since making a lot of money automatically hardens a person in you lot's eyes...justin bieber fcuks more higher quality lizards than 90 percent of the RVF members but most importantly he has more money so he is hard? The wasted buzzard who paid beaucoup shekels to kiss Liz Hurley, the Arab geezer he's richer than all of us so that negates his super simpish behavior, si?

Quote: (12-03-2014 11:27 AM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

The internets say he's worth $35 and $50, and don't even buy that. To call him anything but beta and soft is laughable.

http://en.mediamass.net/people/drake/highest-paid.html

"The Canadian singer-actor has an estimated net worth of $145 million. He owes his fortune to smart stock investments, substantial property holdings, lucrative endorsement deals with CoverGirl cosmetics. He also owns several restaurants (the “Fat Drake Burger” chain) in Ottawa, a Football Team (the “Toronto Angels”), has launched his own brand of Vodka (Pure Wonderdrake - Canada), and is tackling the juniors market with a top-selling perfume (With Love from Drake) and a fashion line called “Drake Seduction”."

Yeah, the guy is definitely a soft beta. What a loser.
And no, I don't even know his music well, or consider myself a fan. In fact, I don't know anything about the guy beyond the fact that he is famous for music, has a Jewish mom, and diverse business interests.
I just did some quick searching on the internet...he has 18.3 Million twitter followers, 36 Million facebook likes, and 7 Million instagram followers.
Again, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me personally. But it does matter a lot in the social media world, which matters a lot to the younger demographic that most men here, myself included, crave.

Quote: (12-03-2014 11:49 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Drake is soft. Either that or he is the most successful rap troll of all times. The image he puts across makes my buttocks pucker in disgust. But since making a lot of money automatically hardens a person in you lot's eyes...justin bieber fcuks more higher quality lizards than 90 percent of the RVF members but most importantly he has more money so he is hard? The wasted buzzard who paid beaucoup shekels to kiss Liz Hurley, the Arab geezer he's richer than all of us so that negates his super simpish behavior, si?

That's an interesting question. I haven't the slightest idea whether Justin Beiber is hard or soft. Maybe he should hire Putin's PR guys and go around fighting wild animals or something. Maybe punch a cop and get some street cred.
Whatever he's doing seems to be working for him.
I have a slightly negative connotation when I hear his name.
I know that he became very wealthy very young as some sort of teen pop idol.
Much like a trust fund kid, maybe that has stunted his emotional development.
I have seen him in the news for DUI, etc.

Quote: (12-03-2014 11:15 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-03-2014 03:33 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2014 10:08 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

I find it more than a little ironic that GManifesto would refer to Drake as soft.

I'm not sure I get it.
Drake is probably worth a couple hundred million dollars.
He is internationally famous, and continues to do well. He goes where he wants, when he wants. He fucks what he wants, when he wants. He can consume whatever he wants, live wherever he wants.
Like many celebrities, his public persona is likely carefully created to ensure continued wealth and status, and may or may not have anything to do with his real life.
To call him soft or beta is fairly laughable.
Even more so when the person doing so spent years portraying himself online as a multi millionaire playboy and businessman, and in reality was a pasty middle aged computer nerd.
If I was slightly circumspect in how I did it, it is because there are still apparently a great number of RVF members who are butthurt over the whole thing and view any perceived slight against GManifesto to be an insult to the RVF at large.

When was the GManifesto outed as a pasty computer nerd? How are you so sure?

Quote: (12-03-2014 11:58 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-03-2014 11:27 AM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

The internets say he's worth $35 and $50, and don't even buy that. To call him anything but beta and soft is laughable.

http://en.mediamass.net/people/drake/highest-paid.html

"The Canadian singer-actor has an estimated net worth of $145 million. He owes his fortune to smart stock investments, substantial property holdings, lucrative endorsement deals with CoverGirl cosmetics. He also owns several restaurants (the “Fat Drake Burger” chain) in Ottawa, a Football Team (the “Toronto Angels”), has launched his own brand of Vodka (Pure Wonderdrake - Canada), and is tackling the juniors market with a top-selling perfume (With Love from Drake) and a fashion line called “Drake Seduction”."

Yeah, the guy is definitely a soft beta. What a loser.
And no, I don't even know his music well, or consider myself a fan. In fact, I don't know anything about the guy beyond the fact that he is famous for music, has a Jewish mom, and diverse business interests.
I just did some quick searching on the internet...he has 18.3 Million twitter followers, 36 Million facebook likes, and 7 Million instagram followers.
Again, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me personally. But it does matter a lot in the social media world, which matters a lot to the younger demographic that most men here, myself included, crave.

You need to slow down V. RVF is not like other places. Newcomers cannot come in and start sizing up whatever cats they see and start taking swings in some drive to impress everyone around. Just because G is not actively posting, does not mean that you can take swipes at him.

You also have a big problem with logical fallacies.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

That one more specifically. False cause and maybe another but the point is that, just because something or someone is popular, that does not make it valid, logical, relevant to the OP, etc. None of these millions of followers on Twitter and Facebook have any bearing on what is being discussed here. No man here cares about the musical tastes of what some millions of blue pill people care about quite honestly.

We understand that you are young, full of drive and whatnot, but you would do well to avoid attacking other members, especially with arguments full of errors in logic and a low post count. This is not your average forum, since the posting standards are very high, you really need to have arguments that are on point and have a logical flow, otherwise you will get called out. Worst case banned. Take a step back and learn a bit more about the forum, help out where it makes sense for you to do so, establish some good will with the fellas, and then feel free to take on more of the bigger items.

TK, I see where you are coming from and mostly agree. I will try and be more reasonable, and take things slow.
My main point with celebrities is that for the most part we don't really know what they are actually like because of the massive financial incentives that distort and condition their behavior. Drake has power, and continues to hold and grow that power. His public demeanor could just be a means to an end. Millions of twitter followers is a valuable public platform. A lot of guys on the forum make their living over the internet, one tweet/shoutout/promotion from Drake would change their lives. I was thinking of power in that sense, not that it matters who the blue pillers are, they are just good consumers.
And I did initially tread lightly on the G issue since he made so many thousands of posts and had/has so many fans on RVF. But so much of his advice was based on who he portrayed himself to be. It just doesn't feel authentic looking back, even if some of it does work. What if another poster specialized in giving sports related advice, strongly implied that he was a pro or D1 athlete, and then turned out to not lift or do cardio? I don't know maybe it doesn't matter. It makes me think of that Seinfeld episode where a white woman with a chinese name gives advice.

Quote: (12-04-2014 09:31 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

TK, I see where you are coming from and mostly agree. I will try and be more reasonable, and take things slow.
My main point with celebrities is that for the most part we don't really know what they are actually like because of the massive financial incentives that distort and condition their behavior. Drake has power, and continues to hold and grow that power. His public demeanor could just be a means to an end. Millions of twitter followers is a valuable public platform. A lot of guys on the forum make their living over the internet, one tweet/shoutout/promotion from Drake would change their lives. I was thinking of power in that sense, not that it matters who the blue pillers are, they are just good consumers.
And I did initially tread lightly on the G issue since he made so many thousands of posts and had/has so many fans on RVF. But so much of his advice was based on who he portrayed himself to be. It just doesn't feel authentic looking back, even if some of it does work. What if another poster specialized in giving sports related advice, strongly implied that he was a pro or D1 athlete, and then turned out to not lift or do cardio?

You cannot be in agreement. (Still your choice, not going to force you) You are further digging into those same positions missing the forest for the trees. No one here needs a Drake shoutout to change their lives. Oprah has alot of power like that too. Does that have anything to do with talking about Drake being soft? NO! NONE! Drake is not doing all these things just for money. That's who he is. Even celebrities clock out and come out of character at some point in the day. When he is being himself, he does stuff that is basically soft for a man. Many of his own kind have noticed it and made the exact same observation that we have made. There are memes all over the internet about this. The OP was about if Drake is the softest of all time. That is what the debate is over. Everyone here and too many to count outside of RVF knows he is soft. Why do you feel the need to defend his lack of masculinity so much by associating it to his popularity with fans? If that logically made sense, MikeCF would have 10 times more twitter followers due to masculinity equating to popularity.

None of us here need their support systems because we want nothing to do with whatever makes them famous. We at RVF do not crave social dysfunction as a means to an end. We promote masculinity just like at ROK. Why would we crave the attention of something we have unplugged from in the first place? This is why I know that you have no redpill in you at all. You are very blue pill and maybe this may not be the right place for you, but in order for you to figure that out, you at least need to have a basic understanding of what is going on in this thread and why we are saying the things we are saying.

I barely followed that GManifesto drama, etc. but I do remember that the proof was lacking or inconclusive. Like Cyr asked you before, where is your hard proof of this? If you do not have any, do us all a favor and drop it, and let that shit go. Everyone else already has. If you bothered to read enough about G, surely you have lurked or read enough RVF to know that Tuth and Roosh have zero tolerance for newbies causing drama.

If someone bragged about athleticism, their posts eventually tell the truth on that, we do not need to hold their feet to any fire. If they know what the fuck they are talking about and give good advice, it will show in person. Eventually as our movement grows there will be a chubby older man or two that may sign up here that played sports pro or college level D1 that will have great advice on training and fitness, but if you were to meet them, they look like an older fat coach from off the sidelines. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Does that mean that they are bullshit? No.

Be nuanced and carefully examine things. Don't rush to a judgement on anyone so quickly. A wise man knows that he knows nothing at all.

Quote: (12-04-2014 10:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You cannot be in agreement. (Still your choice, not going to force you) You are further digging into those same positions missing the forest for the trees. No one here needs a Drake shoutout to change their lives. Oprah has alot of power like that too. Does that have anything to do with talking about Drake being soft? NO! NONE! Drake is not doing all these things just for money. That's who he is. Even celebrities clock out and come out of character at some point in the day. When he is being himself, he does stuff that is basically soft for a man. Many of his own kind have noticed it and made the exact same observation that we have made. There are memes all over the internet about this. The OP was about if Drake is the softest of all time. That is what the debate is over. Everyone here and too many to count outside of RVF knows he is soft. Why do you feel the need to defend his lack of masculinity so much by associating it to his popularity with fans? If that logically made sense, MikeCF would have 10 times more twitter followers due to masculinity equating to popularity.

None of us here need their support systems because we want nothing to do with whatever makes them famous. We at RVF do not crave social dysfunction as a means to an end. We promote masculinity just like at ROK. Why would we crave the attention of something we have unplugged from in the first place? This is why I know that you have no redpill in you at all. You are very blue pill and maybe this may not be the right place for you, but in order for you to figure that out, you at least need to have a basic understanding of what is going on in this thread and why we are saying the things we are saying.

I barely followed that GManifesto drama, etc. but I do remember that the proof was lacking or inconclusive. Like Cyr asked you before, where is your hard proof of this? If you do not have any, do us all a favor and drop it, and let that shit go. Everyone else already has. If you bothered to read enough about G, surely you have lurked or read enough RVF to know that Tuth and Roosh have zero tolerance for newbies causing drama.

If someone bragged about athleticism, their posts eventually tell the truth on that, we do not need to hold their feet to any fire. If they know what the fuck they are talking about and give good advice, it will show in person. Eventually as our movement grows there will be a chubby older man or two that may sign up here that played sports pro or college level D1 that will have great advice on training and fitness, but if you were to meet them, they look like an older fat coach from off the sidelines. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Does that mean that they are bullshit? No.

Be nuanced and carefully examine things. Don't rush to a judgement on anyone so quickly. A wise man knows that he knows nothing at all.

Maybe I didn't go into enough detail/do research.
I guess there can always be differences, and wealth doesn't equal alpha. At a funeral for one of my dad's friends, I met one guy who owns a major professional sports team on the west coast and is alpha as fuck at 60 years old. I didn't know who he was, and asked my dad because he exuded power...and then my dad told me and introduced me.
I know another guy my same age who I went to school with and who inherited 100MM+ from his father, and is a cokehead beta with the same girlfriend since he was 20, and she is a hypochondriac and a 5 at best. What a waste. He is considered an 8 by women based on looks, and could do so much better.
I really know nothing about Drake specifically, so that's where I made my mistake. I ASSumed. I accept your word/the forum consensus that he is soft. I've got my own life to live, and my own personal issues to solve to get to where I want to be.
I also didn't mean to imply that Mike or anyone else was sitting around like a hungry beta, waiting for crumbs from someone else's table.
But if RVF or D&P or someone else red pill got a shout out from Drake, and this led to a traffic spike, and led to many long time blue pillers being exposed to red pill ideas, how is that a bad thing? And if at the same time the red piller financially benefits, that's good too, right?
I mean, if Oprah offered to interview Roosh, would the right thing for him to do be to refuse it? or to take advantage of the forum it offered to spread his ideas to a beta audience in need of it?

Debating whether a rapper is soft and who is banging who is what females do.

ALL rappers are soft, if you dig under the surface you will see that.

I doubt it 50 cent got shot 8 or 9 times like he said, he stole someone's street name as did Rick Ross.

Lil Wayne kissed his "mentor" Baby on the mouth and even sings about it.

Do I need to go on??

Quote: (12-04-2014 11:12 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 10:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You cannot be in agreement. (Still your choice, not going to force you) You are further digging into those same positions missing the forest for the trees. No one here needs a Drake shoutout to change their lives. Oprah has alot of power like that too. Does that have anything to do with talking about Drake being soft? NO! NONE! Drake is not doing all these things just for money. That's who he is. Even celebrities clock out and come out of character at some point in the day. When he is being himself, he does stuff that is basically soft for a man. Many of his own kind have noticed it and made the exact same observation that we have made. There are memes all over the internet about this. The OP was about if Drake is the softest of all time. That is what the debate is over. Everyone here and too many to count outside of RVF knows he is soft. Why do you feel the need to defend his lack of masculinity so much by associating it to his popularity with fans? If that logically made sense, MikeCF would have 10 times more twitter followers due to masculinity equating to popularity.

None of us here need their support systems because we want nothing to do with whatever makes them famous. We at RVF do not crave social dysfunction as a means to an end. We promote masculinity just like at ROK. Why would we crave the attention of something we have unplugged from in the first place? This is why I know that you have no redpill in you at all. You are very blue pill and maybe this may not be the right place for you, but in order for you to figure that out, you at least need to have a basic understanding of what is going on in this thread and why we are saying the things we are saying.

I barely followed that GManifesto drama, etc. but I do remember that the proof was lacking or inconclusive. Like Cyr asked you before, where is your hard proof of this? If you do not have any, do us all a favor and drop it, and let that shit go. Everyone else already has. If you bothered to read enough about G, surely you have lurked or read enough RVF to know that Tuth and Roosh have zero tolerance for newbies causing drama.

If someone bragged about athleticism, their posts eventually tell the truth on that, we do not need to hold their feet to any fire. If they know what the fuck they are talking about and give good advice, it will show in person. Eventually as our movement grows there will be a chubby older man or two that may sign up here that played sports pro or college level D1 that will have great advice on training and fitness, but if you were to meet them, they look like an older fat coach from off the sidelines. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Does that mean that they are bullshit? No.

Be nuanced and carefully examine things. Don't rush to a judgement on anyone so quickly. A wise man knows that he knows nothing at all.

Maybe I didn't go into enough detail/do research.
I guess there can always be differences, and wealth doesn't equal alpha. At a funeral for one of my dad's friends, I met one guy who owns a major professional sports team on the west coast and is alpha as fuck at 60 years old. I didn't know who he was, and asked my dad because he exuded power...and then my dad told me and introduced me.
I know another guy my same age who I went to school with and who inherited 100MM+ from his father, and is a cokehead beta with the same girlfriend since he was 20, and she is a hypochondriac and a 5 at best. What a waste. He is considered an 8 by women based on looks, and could do so much better.
I really know nothing about Drake specifically, so that's where I made my mistake. I ASSumed. I accept your word/the forum consensus that he is soft. I've got my own life to live, and my own personal issues to solve to get to where I want to be.
I also didn't mean to imply that Mike or anyone else was sitting around like a hungry beta, waiting for crumbs from someone else's table.
But if RVF or D&P or someone else red pill got a shout out from Drake, and this led to a traffic spike, and led to many long time blue pillers being exposed to red pill ideas, how is that a bad thing? And if at the same time the red piller financially benefits, that's good too, right?
I mean, if Oprah offered to interview Roosh, would the right thing for him to do be to refuse it? or to take advantage of the forum it offered to spread his ideas to a beta audience in need of it?

I hope this is a legitimate question, because it comes off extremely clueless. I cannot speak for MikeCF, Roosh, Tuth, or any of the others, but not only would these people never interview us without the intention to belittle us on their platform, but they are SJWs and all of us are basically enemies with them. They are diametrically opposed to our messages. As for accepting their help, you would have to ask Mike, Roosh, and the others. I don't want it nor need the help of idiotic socially dysfunctional liberal trash. All money is dirty, but I do not want it from them. No one should accept money at the expense of their soul to fulfil a love of money. That's making a pedestal of money

Quote: (12-04-2014 02:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Debating whether a rapper is soft and who is banging who is what females do.

ALL rappers are soft, if you dig under the surface you will see that.

I doubt it 50 cent got shot 8 or 9 times like he said, he stole someone's street name as did Rick Ross.

Lil Wayne kissed his "mentor" Baby on the mouth and even sings about it.

Do I need to go on??

Whoa whoa hold up there if there is anyone I would believe it would be 50. Listen to him before and after he got shot. There's a major difference in the way he raps because he has a bullet still stuck in his tongue. Not to mention it was a well publicized event due to him being kicked out of the industry for a while due to his song "Ghetto Quran" at the time and was supposedly the reason he got shot. 50 legitimately came from the streets and climbed back up after he fell from public favor.

Not to mention Jam Master Jay got killed for taking him in after he was blacklisted.

Quote: (12-04-2014 05:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 11:12 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 10:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You cannot be in agreement. (Still your choice, not going to force you) You are further digging into those same positions missing the forest for the trees. No one here needs a Drake shoutout to change their lives. Oprah has alot of power like that too. Does that have anything to do with talking about Drake being soft? NO! NONE! Drake is not doing all these things just for money. That's who he is. Even celebrities clock out and come out of character at some point in the day. When he is being himself, he does stuff that is basically soft for a man. Many of his own kind have noticed it and made the exact same observation that we have made. There are memes all over the internet about this. The OP was about if Drake is the softest of all time. That is what the debate is over. Everyone here and too many to count outside of RVF knows he is soft. Why do you feel the need to defend his lack of masculinity so much by associating it to his popularity with fans? If that logically made sense, MikeCF would have 10 times more twitter followers due to masculinity equating to popularity.

None of us here need their support systems because we want nothing to do with whatever makes them famous. We at RVF do not crave social dysfunction as a means to an end. We promote masculinity just like at ROK. Why would we crave the attention of something we have unplugged from in the first place? This is why I know that you have no redpill in you at all. You are very blue pill and maybe this may not be the right place for you, but in order for you to figure that out, you at least need to have a basic understanding of what is going on in this thread and why we are saying the things we are saying.

I barely followed that GManifesto drama, etc. but I do remember that the proof was lacking or inconclusive. Like Cyr asked you before, where is your hard proof of this? If you do not have any, do us all a favor and drop it, and let that shit go. Everyone else already has. If you bothered to read enough about G, surely you have lurked or read enough RVF to know that Tuth and Roosh have zero tolerance for newbies causing drama.

If someone bragged about athleticism, their posts eventually tell the truth on that, we do not need to hold their feet to any fire. If they know what the fuck they are talking about and give good advice, it will show in person. Eventually as our movement grows there will be a chubby older man or two that may sign up here that played sports pro or college level D1 that will have great advice on training and fitness, but if you were to meet them, they look like an older fat coach from off the sidelines. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Does that mean that they are bullshit? No.

Be nuanced and carefully examine things. Don't rush to a judgement on anyone so quickly. A wise man knows that he knows nothing at all.

Maybe I didn't go into enough detail/do research.
I guess there can always be differences, and wealth doesn't equal alpha. At a funeral for one of my dad's friends, I met one guy who owns a major professional sports team on the west coast and is alpha as fuck at 60 years old. I didn't know who he was, and asked my dad because he exuded power...and then my dad told me and introduced me.
I know another guy my same age who I went to school with and who inherited 100MM+ from his father, and is a cokehead beta with the same girlfriend since he was 20, and she is a hypochondriac and a 5 at best. What a waste. He is considered an 8 by women based on looks, and could do so much better.
I really know nothing about Drake specifically, so that's where I made my mistake. I ASSumed. I accept your word/the forum consensus that he is soft. I've got my own life to live, and my own personal issues to solve to get to where I want to be.
I also didn't mean to imply that Mike or anyone else was sitting around like a hungry beta, waiting for crumbs from someone else's table.
But if RVF or D&P or someone else red pill got a shout out from Drake, and this led to a traffic spike, and led to many long time blue pillers being exposed to red pill ideas, how is that a bad thing? And if at the same time the red piller financially benefits, that's good too, right?
I mean, if Oprah offered to interview Roosh, would the right thing for him to do be to refuse it? or to take advantage of the forum it offered to spread his ideas to a beta audience in need of it?

I hope this is a legitimate question, because it comes off extremely clueless. I cannot speak for MikeCF, Roosh, Tuth, or any of the others, but not only would these people never interview us without the intention to belittle us on their platform, but they are SJWs and all of us are basically enemies with them. They are diametrically opposed to our messages. As for accepting their help, you would have to ask Mike, Roosh, and the others. I don't want it nor need the help of idiotic socially dysfunctional liberal trash. All money is dirty, but I do not want it from them. No one should accept money at the expense of their soul to fulfil a love of money. That's making a pedestal of money

It was a legit question. I was thinking of how well Germanico did on his interview.

Quote: (12-04-2014 05:59 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 05:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 11:12 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2014 10:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You cannot be in agreement. (Still your choice, not going to force you) You are further digging into those same positions missing the forest for the trees. No one here needs a Drake shoutout to change their lives. Oprah has alot of power like that too. Does that have anything to do with talking about Drake being soft? NO! NONE! Drake is not doing all these things just for money. That's who he is. Even celebrities clock out and come out of character at some point in the day. When he is being himself, he does stuff that is basically soft for a man. Many of his own kind have noticed it and made the exact same observation that we have made. There are memes all over the internet about this. The OP was about if Drake is the softest of all time. That is what the debate is over. Everyone here and too many to count outside of RVF knows he is soft. Why do you feel the need to defend his lack of masculinity so much by associating it to his popularity with fans? If that logically made sense, MikeCF would have 10 times more twitter followers due to masculinity equating to popularity.

None of us here need their support systems because we want nothing to do with whatever makes them famous. We at RVF do not crave social dysfunction as a means to an end. We promote masculinity just like at ROK. Why would we crave the attention of something we have unplugged from in the first place? This is why I know that you have no redpill in you at all. You are very blue pill and maybe this may not be the right place for you, but in order for you to figure that out, you at least need to have a basic understanding of what is going on in this thread and why we are saying the things we are saying.

I barely followed that GManifesto drama, etc. but I do remember that the proof was lacking or inconclusive. Like Cyr asked you before, where is your hard proof of this? If you do not have any, do us all a favor and drop it, and let that shit go. Everyone else already has. If you bothered to read enough about G, surely you have lurked or read enough RVF to know that Tuth and Roosh have zero tolerance for newbies causing drama.

If someone bragged about athleticism, their posts eventually tell the truth on that, we do not need to hold their feet to any fire. If they know what the fuck they are talking about and give good advice, it will show in person. Eventually as our movement grows there will be a chubby older man or two that may sign up here that played sports pro or college level D1 that will have great advice on training and fitness, but if you were to meet them, they look like an older fat coach from off the sidelines. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Does that mean that they are bullshit? No.

Be nuanced and carefully examine things. Don't rush to a judgement on anyone so quickly. A wise man knows that he knows nothing at all.

Maybe I didn't go into enough detail/do research.
I guess there can always be differences, and wealth doesn't equal alpha. At a funeral for one of my dad's friends, I met one guy who owns a major professional sports team on the west coast and is alpha as fuck at 60 years old. I didn't know who he was, and asked my dad because he exuded power...and then my dad told me and introduced me.
I know another guy my same age who I went to school with and who inherited 100MM+ from his father, and is a cokehead beta with the same girlfriend since he was 20, and she is a hypochondriac and a 5 at best. What a waste. He is considered an 8 by women based on looks, and could do so much better.
I really know nothing about Drake specifically, so that's where I made my mistake. I ASSumed. I accept your word/the forum consensus that he is soft. I've got my own life to live, and my own personal issues to solve to get to where I want to be.
I also didn't mean to imply that Mike or anyone else was sitting around like a hungry beta, waiting for crumbs from someone else's table.
But if RVF or D&P or someone else red pill got a shout out from Drake, and this led to a traffic spike, and led to many long time blue pillers being exposed to red pill ideas, how is that a bad thing? And if at the same time the red piller financially benefits, that's good too, right?
I mean, if Oprah offered to interview Roosh, would the right thing for him to do be to refuse it? or to take advantage of the forum it offered to spread his ideas to a beta audience in need of it?

I hope this is a legitimate question, because it comes off extremely clueless. I cannot speak for MikeCF, Roosh, Tuth, or any of the others, but not only would these people never interview us without the intention to belittle us on their platform, but they are SJWs and all of us are basically enemies with them. They are diametrically opposed to our messages. As for accepting their help, you would have to ask Mike, Roosh, and the others. I don't want it nor need the help of idiotic socially dysfunctional liberal trash. All money is dirty, but I do not want it from them. No one should accept money at the expense of their soul to fulfil a love of money. That's making a pedestal of money

It was a legit question. I was thinking of how well Germanico did on his interview.

There are some differences in what Germanico did and Roosh for example. It's Mexican TV, the topic was very specific (related to pickup artistry, not the manosphere), and the Anglosphere itself strongly mocks anything that is lumped into PUA related stuff, and none of us are self described PUAs. We had the unfortunate experience of being falsely associated with Elliot Rogers by our feminist enemies in various newspapers. Oprah is a queen leader feminist and SJW. Drake, while not a feminist, does not want anything to do with us, especially if he reads the threads we picked him apart in. This is not the place for people like him. In many ways we are like that wolf piss on the trees in the forest. Our territory repulses other beta wolves from entering. The red pill is fairly strong in here.

Quote: (12-03-2014 05:25 AM)brick tamland Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2014 11:02 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

What's up with the Nazi symbolism in that video? I sure hope SJWs are watching.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_(Nicki_Minaj_song)#Controversy

Yes there has been controversy about the imagery in the video. I'd say the average person wouldn't immediately discern the symbolism and it's so subtle that of course it's the paranoid types that would pick it up quickest.

Nah, Arthur Chu is a self proclaimed Neo-Nazi and he is a big SJW, he was very involved in the #gamergate debate, defending Sarkeesian and Ju, and accusing pro-gamergate of being women haters.

As long as you pretend to defend women, SJW will tolerated you.

Further evidence that drake is the softest in the game.






0:55 why would he delete all the other girls out of his phone? Textbook beta mistake. Wtf?

A picture's worth a thousand words, here's four that tell a really sad story for Drake...

He's also been outed as a sponsor:

Quote: (03-02-2015 01:42 PM)jariel Wrote:  

He's also been outed as a sponsor:

He raps about being a sponsor, so its no surprise
http://genius.com/Drake-marvins-room-lyrics

What's the background story there? That first chick looks like skylar Diggins. Is he trying to date her or something? Is that her kissing his head?

I don't understand the context about mad regular bitches. Is someone calling Skylar a regular bitch? If so that's fucked up or a hater. Even I would smash and handcuff her ass, if it were possible and I was still single. Lol.

Quote: (03-02-2015 03:30 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

What's the background story there? That first chick looks like skylar Diggins. Is he trying to date her or something? Is that her kissing his head?

I don't understand the context about mad regular bitches. Is someone calling Skylar a regular bitch? If so that's fucked up or a hater. Even I would smash and handcuff her ass, if it were possible and I was still single. Lol.

Ya he had it bad for Diggins, even though she has a very public relationship with her boyfriend.

They met at the ESPY Awards, she knew he had a thing for her, and you see how he braces himself for a kiss, with his eyes closed and shit, and she kisses his forehead.

I know a few chicks who've kicked it with him here in Miami, look, all of these guys spread dollars around. They don't even bother into putting in the effort to try to spit game, because they don't really have any to spit.

Think about it, Drake's the type of nigga who will take a suitcase full of money to a strip club, why would "bad bitches" fuck him for free?