Quote: (07-21-2011 11:59 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Travel.
If you're concerned about your ROI(he may not be, but just in case), there is simply no better way to deal with the situation. This is the only way for a relatively young guy without much established yet to acquire a high level of sexual variety without waiting, accepting a poor ROI or paying directly.
You need to find women who offer a reasonable rate of return, and if you're in most parts of America and the UK, you probably won't find that.
Save your money and attempt to take as many trips overseas as you can. You should be able to do this before you're 30(heck, I plan on it well before then, as soon as I can get into the working world and save a little).
If you're a white male: Peru, The Philippines, and Thailand should be on top of your list for women with a good ROI who can easily be met without direct pay.
If you're black: Scandinavia, Australia and The Philippines. Also consider parts of the American midwest, particularly the Dakotas if you can get there. I recommend the same for tan/darker Latinos.
If you're asian: Eastern Europe and perhaps Scandinavia. The Phillipines can also be a good option.
Note that these are rough guidelines. He'll have to do some investigation(read the travel forum here and other sites) in order to make things work and find his ideal destinations. Fortunately, there is a lot of info out there at his disposal.
The bottomline, however, is that he needs to get on a plane to maximize his ROI while avoiding direct pay(and absent of any fame/wealth to compensate).
Other than that:
1. Take the pussy off the pedestal. An immersion in the works of Tom Leykis, Roissy and Roosh will help with this. You should also read this entire blog too.
I would start with Leykis. Go on Youtube and listen to everything you can find. This channel will provide a good start.
2. Make yourself as good looking as you can be. Start working out-mold your body as best you can. You don't have to be Schwarzenegger, but every little bit helps. Watch your diet.
If you keep yourself in shape, you'll have the ability to prolong your stay in the game FAR beyond the expectations of many.
3. Make sure you build a solid financial foundation for yourself in order to fund all of this. Wealth is your key. If you can work your way into a solid, well paying profession(or the military, which is always an option), do it.
Education is important.
4. Study the basics of game/evo-psych so you can better identify and eliminate your most glaring errors. Again, an immersion in the teachings Leykis and Roissy will make this easier for you.
That's what I would say to start. I'd probably give him a few more specific links via PM as well.
Before I respond, I would like to offer a disclaimer. At no time do I mean any disrespect. For all I know, you could be swimming in punani. So anything I spit out is not a direct attack on your character but on the theories you spit out.
So let me continue.
Traveling costs money. At 20 years old (as you build up your financial foundation either by working or by running a business), how many times can one travel in a year and for how long can that person be in that ideal destination for?
Let's say one is able to travel three times a year for 2 weeks at a time in which that individual is able to fcuk their brains out.
First of all, you factor in cost. You factor in the cost of being away for that time because I don't know many jobs in North America that afford a person six weeks vacation a year so let's assume you are forking out your own weekly wage since you are only allocated maybe four weeks vac a year (and I am being generous).
So if you are being paid 40 bucks an hour and you work a 40 hour week you used two weeks of your own pay to fund your vacation, having exceeded your allocated four weeks by two weeks.
So that's 3200 dollars that you have paid for that year.
Next, you factor in flights. You fly to Western Europe (I'm not sure of ticket price, it's been ages since I went but let's allocate 800 dollars for a return ticket.
You are up to 4000 dollars so far. Now you factor in hotel prices. Again, I am being very modest here so let's say for the two weeks, you factor in 60 bucks a night for a decent hotel.
That's 840 dollars plus 4000 dollars which is almost 5 grand (4840 to be exact).
That takes care of accomodation.
Now you have to eat. Let's say you put aside 20 dollars a day, if you have change from that, whooptie but just so that you are not tightening belts, 20 bucks should cover you for at least three meals a day. You can throw the change in to cover snacks during the day.
Again, that's 60 bucks a day times 2 weeks. You again are now up to 840 dollars.
Add that to the running total and you have 5680 dollars.
Now, what about them lizards?
You don't like cold approach but how will you get them in a foreign country where you don't know anyone?
You can either:
1) Join a social club and hope that your technique is able to land you something in your two week stay
2) Cold approach, hit some clubs (run some game !!!)
3) Pay for that shyt.
What's the going rate in Scandinavia for escorts? Let's be very modest and say 40 bucks will get you an 8.
How many times will you want to hit that in the two weeks? Let's say three times a week which equals 240 dollars total.
Add that to the running tally and you got 5920 dollars.
Thus, at the very minimum, you have spent 5920 dollars a pop to get foreign pussy in a foreign country.
This assumes that apart from eating, you do not travel around the country and apart from fcuking, you just stay in your hotel room and wait for the day you can go out and solicit your tart.
But wait! Maybe you think that going out to another country for two weeks is excessive and you only need one week (anything less is a waste of time).
And let's say that getting 40 bucks an hour for a young male is unrealistic.
Let's get a little more modest. Let's say he works at T-mobile and gets 20 dollars an hour.
So let's recalculate.
A male makes 20 bucks an hour, will only travel for one week to the foreign countries. If he only travels twice a year, that's not good return on travelling at all (since according to you, that will be his only source of diversified pum pum).
So we will assume it is still three times a year but he only needs one week at a pop.
Let's now assume that he is given 3 weeks vacation a year (I don't know if this is true in America but again I'm erring on the side of generosity).
Since he only travels 3 times a year, a week at a time, he loses no money funding his own vac time.
Back to the flights. Western Europe. 800 dollars for a return (I assume he lives on the East coast region because flights will probably be more expensive if he is flying from the western region i.e texas, california etc).
800 dollars + 420 dollars for the one week stay (at a generous hotel rate of 60 bucks a night).
Running total = 1220 dollars.
Add meals at 20 dollars a meal x 3 incl snacks. That's 420 for the week for food.
Running total = 1640 dollars.
He pays for the escort (an 8). He gets a deal at 40 bucks a pop. He wants to hit a ho at least 3 times a week (anything less is a waste of time to travel for 8 hours).
That's 120 in ho money for the week.
Running total = 1760 dollars.
If you factor in the fact that he may want to actually go out and mingle, travel (cabs, buses, museums or whatever), throw in another 150 (being very modest) for the week to cover loose ends.
That's 1910 dollars (almost 2 grand).
Let's round that up to 2 grand. Rinse and repeat x 2.
So that's 6 grand a year for a guy to travel to another country to pay for an escort.
Since you mentioned that they won't have to pay directly
if they travel then we have to factor in the cost of wining, the admission fees to whichever venue you go to meet them.
I don't believe that in these Scandinavian or Asian countries, you can take a woman to your bedroom without courting her (even if it is slightly).
You don't just pop out of your hotel room, see a dime and say "Hey blondie, come into my room and see what I brought from America for you"
If that's how it works, maybe I need to book a ticket
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You
still need game. Game is just the modern day term for courting.
So subtract the cost of escorts and add the cost of going out and gaming (courting) easier foreign lizards.
So now you have advised a young man to spend 2K a shot to go somewhere where he has to use game..anyway?
This ROI thing is all about perspective. If game becomes you, it will become as easy as speaking your first language.
Game as you go. If it becomes as easy as sleeping when you are tired, pussy will start to mature and you won't even see it as an effort.
It's a learning process. A friend of mine doesn't like speaking English too much because his head hurts after a bit (he finds English hard because right now, he is in the conscious process of translating words).
If he had taken the time to immerse himself with English speakers and not his own peeps, he would have actualized the process of English and wouldn't need to strain himself.
I feel the same way when I speak French (my level is higher basic). When around French speakers, after an hour, my head hurts because I am translating every single word consciously. Initially, French was difficult and foreign to me.
I initially studied a lot of theory and read a lot of books, listened to audio and was reluctant to mingle with French speakers (since I find many French people to be rather arrogant when speaking with Anglophones who are attempting to learn their language).
However, by immersion, my language acquisition rose in leaps and bounds each time.
That's the quickest and most effective way to acquire language.
Going out on the field will initially prove to be awkward and difficult. But it is the quickest and most effective way to acquire game.
The point is, the initial immersion will prove difficult and tedious. Every initial step will be painful and plodding. After a while, the act of processing (gaming) will be as natural as throwing and catching a football.
Did you learn how to play football for a D1 school by just studying theory and playing within your comfort zone? Or did you learn more when in trying situations against bigger and stronger strangers and getting slammed to the ground several times?
Having the principles are important as guidelines but you still
must go on the field to actualise them so that implementation becomes as casual as farting when you have gas.
You are quoting these countries for males of a particular look to travel to but you have never actually gone there yourself. How do you know
for yourself whether it is hogwash or not?
How do you
personally know that white females throw themselves at the feet of darker skinned males in Dakota?
Are you basing it entirely on what others say? The guys that usually travel have game (to some degree). They may exude certain qualities that they are not even aware of, so when you couple that to their exotic factor, slaying these out of town lizards is like taking sweets from a child.
But do you think
this guy will fare the same in Dakota as International Swagger or Deebo without game?
Heterosexual males need pussy. We can sublimate all we want but once you control that spectrum, you control one of the core things that has toppled many a great man. Not all women are available for direct purchase.
What if you are focused on your paper, we are conducting a business deal and I bring in a business partner of mine who is drop dead gorgeous. She earns fat stacks so your direct offer of money to fcuk is not applicable to her. She, however, is always susceptible to game.
Because you have disregarded game, you will merely look at her and you will be thrown off your work because you are not accustomed to controlling the signals that women consciously and unconsciously throw when they are gaming men.
What is game? It is a deeper understanding of the psychological principles that govern women. It is being able to recognise subtle signals in seconds and act on them and disregarding attention whores on both a major and a minor level.
I don't care how logical you seem or how invested you are in ROI, you are still a human at the end of the day.
If buying pussy is going to be your forte, then you will be a trick and golddiggers will get you sooner or later.
Your emotional state will not be prepared for when you are being tricked (since you have not exposed it enough) and you will rationalise when you are put into a trick basket or a save-a-ho situation.
Why not lay a 9 leveraging 35 bucks (as in going out on a date or the cost to buy the ingredients for a lobster dinner at your condo) and as opposed to paying directly for it at 200 dollars?
You talk about ROI. When you acquire game then you open up channels that put you onto different things. The lizards will actually enjoy being around you and put you onto business opportunities as a reward for you making them feel good and laying that pipe.
For instance, I don't consider myself a gamer by any means but I know women that have put me up in times of need, helped me out with money loans, put me onto business opportunities etc.
Once they know you as Mr Pay for it, they will just look for other ways to tap your pockets (bring other 9's around who can help you trick off your money).
It's similar to the Deniro character in Casino. He loved Ginger and paid for everything only to have her trick off HIS paper to her weak ass pimp.
You might say that won't happen to me but it's easy to be an armchair expert.
Get out in the field and meet a gorgeous dime piece and I guarantee it won't be as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
You say you know about failure but in regards to becoming better at interacting with women on a sexual level, how else do you plan to improve without going out on the field until you improve your financial status?
Not everyone can afford or has the time to travel but everyone can surely begin to work with the fodder in their very city by gaming them.
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