[latinapuslover]

I think money is the most important thing. game is overplayed if your a decent looking guy and a bit aggressive with lots of money you will get laid plenty in latin america and with much better quality then most people living in the usa

[darth frosty]

(07-03-2010 06:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Do you know how many rich guys (without status) can't get laid? Or get laid with low quality? You need to have the whole package, and money is just a part of it. Having money sure makes it easier to go where the pretty girls are, but it won't turn you in Leonardo Dicaprio overnight.

[mofo]

Money comes first.

[mofo]

(09-11-2011 06:14 PM)blurb Wrote:  

My thoughts on this topic... I tend to side with money.

Let's recap:

Pro: You have more control over money than you will over any woman.

Con: There are rich guys that still don't get laid. (They don't have Game.)

CounterCon: What's to say that you can't combine Money + Game? You can learn Game whenever you want. DayGame, Online Dating, Night Game, College Game, Wedding Game, Dance Game, etc. The possibilites are almost endless for meeting and interacting with women. However, you only have a short period for earning your maximum earning potential. A 25-year-old can make big bucks working at construction, but try doing that with the body of a 45 or 55-year-old. Here's how you solve the problem for all those rich guys not getting laid: give them a copy of Bang and Day Bang. Problem solved.



Money speaks every language.

Money is the lingua franca of the world, understood by all people, nations, and cultures. Money will give you far greater advantages and opportunities in life than any woman ever will.

Some things money can buy you:
1) Time Time is money; therefore, money must also be time. You can afford to get laid off from your job or go jobless for at least 10-15 years because you have enough money in the bank to support yourself. It buys you the time to enjoy your favorite activities like travel, hiking, and reading. It buys you free time to relax.
2) Travel.
2) Food.
3) Clothes.
4) Places to stay (an apartment, home, or condo)
5) Time off work/retire early (you can afford to)
6) Access to your favorite goods, activities, and hobbies (skydiving, swimming, books, videos, etc.)
7) School/educational opportunities

How many women, in addition to their pussy, can give you all these things? A woman will not feed you. A woman will not put the clothes on your back. A woman will not pay your rent for you. You have to do that yourself.


If you have money, you will have women because women are attracted to power, and money is a form of power. Money makes things easier. Less stress over bills, better health, better medical access, etc.

Sure, you can live in your parent's basement and pull girls, but I would become bored as hell since there's almost nothing to do in my area. Your parents are not always going to be around to help you when you need them. Do not put your trust in others; trust in yourself, and rely on yourself. It is when you give up control to others that you lose power.

I understand that there are limitations to what money can give you, but the advantages of money far outweight the advantages of any one woman. Besides an orgasm, what else can a woman give you? Money gives you far greater multiple benefits than any one woman's pussy ever will.

Great post. +1

[Samseau]

(12-07-2011 01:01 PM)darth frosty Wrote:  

(07-03-2010 06:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Do you know how many rich guys (without status) can't get laid? Or get laid with low quality? You need to have the whole package, and money is just a part of it. Having money sure makes it easier to go where the pretty girls are, but it won't turn you in Leonardo Dicaprio overnight.

One picture speaks a billion words.


Also, in this thread:

I noticed that the guys who defend game over money are the most successful players on this forum.

The guys who defend money, on the other hand, are the opposite. They do not have interesting stories of banging girls, they do not share many tips and tactics of how to fuck women, and they do describe how to use money to bang women. These guys think that simply having money will make women jump on your dick.


Money or Game? The truth seems pretty obvious.

[xsplat]

(07-23-2010 07:08 AM)paultheking Wrote:  

Your memories, experiences, adventures from 16-35 are all that you have.

Life begins at 35.

[blurb]

(12-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I noticed that the guys who defend game over money are the most successful players on this forum.

The guys who defend money, on the other hand, are the opposite. They do not have interesting stories of banging girls, they do not share many tips and tactics of how to fuck women, and they do describe how to use money to bang women. These guys think that simply having money will make women jump on your dick.

Money buys you freedom. Money buys you a lifestyle. Money frees you from needing to have a job. Essentially, if the income from your assets covers your expenses and then some, you're retired.

I think you misunderstand guys who talk about the importance of money. I don't think they're advocating money to get women. They're not using money to get girls, they're using money to buy freedom, time, and a lifestyle. If I were wealthy, I wouldn't use wealth as a prop to picking up women. I'd use Game to pick up women, with money taking care of the travel expenses and logistics.

Also, I noticed that guys who defend money over Game tend to be the most successful entrepreneurs with great ideas and business startups. They tend to give out great business resources, books, and insights (example: Youngmobileglobal).

The guys who defend Game, on the other hand, are the opposite. They don't have insightful business ventures, and they do not share many tips and tactics on business startups and financial independence. If it weren't for the fact for a strong dollar compared to the Polish zlotzky, Roosh would've been screwed. I keep reading about guys who talk about which airline has the cheapest ticket, hostels, discounts, and deals. Guys barely scrambling by worrying if they're able to pay rent. Guys complaining about how expensive Scandinavia is.

To each his own. But Game + Money is the ultimate dream.

On a side note, this made me realize how glad I am to live in the U.S. There's a reason why we rarely hear of players from poor countries becoming international playboys. They can't because they're poor!

$1,000 airline ticket? That's a year's wages in some countries.

Why do hordes of British men invade Latvia? (albeit for a short amount of time) Because they can afford to!

Why do hordes of African, Thai, Vietnamese, and Mongolian men not invade Latvia? They can't because they can't afford to!

For all the criticisms that America receives, I'm glad I have the economic opportunities that would otherwise not be available to me in other countries.

Roosh hails from the U.S. So does GManifesto. Hooligan Harry, Australia. International playboy Latinos typically hail from the U.S. (or a western country) or large, metropolitan cities with heavy foreign investments in their respective countries (Rio, etc.) Indian playboys usually live in western nations (U.S., Canada, Switzerland, Sweden, etc.)

Never underestimate the power of money.

[OGNorCal707]

I think Zuckdawg could definitely pull a way hotter broad than that Asian chick, I'm sure he has, and even if he couldn't he's rich enough to import a harem of women from every country in the world. I'm not advocating p4p, but when you're at his level of wealth, who gives a fuck?

Zuckie probably hooked up with that chick, because he's a nerd, and there are actually some guys out there, that really value personality, as much or even more than looks (I'm not claiming to be one of those guys), but I have friends who are really good looking dudes that could be dating way hotter chicks, but stay with their GF's because of their personality.

Also, it's way easier to learn game, than it is to make serious bank. Plus having money, like blurb says get's you a nice lifestyle that goes beyond women. Yeah it would be cool if you were a good looking guy with tight game that slays a lot of hot puss, but if you crash on a couch in your parents basement, live off ramen noodles, and have to ride the bus every where, you only have poonanie going for you. Whereas, a guy that might not get laid as much, but has more money and has other things going for him, eating out regularly at nice restaurants, travel to cool countries, nice car/house, money to go to concerts, festivals, etc.

I guess it comes down to what you value the most and want to invest your time, money, focus and mental energy into. 99% of guys out there aren't going to make a viable career out of game, like Roosh has managed to do.

[pitt]

(12-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 01:01 PM)darth frosty Wrote:  

(07-03-2010 06:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Do you know how many rich guys (without status) can't get laid? Or get laid with low quality? You need to have the whole package, and money is just a part of it. Having money sure makes it easier to go where the pretty girls are, but it won't turn you in Leonardo Dicaprio overnight.

One picture speaks a billion words.


Also, in this thread:

I noticed that the guys who defend game over money are the most successful players on this forum.

The guys who defend money, on the other hand, are the opposite. They do not have interesting stories of banging girls, they do not share many tips and tactics of how to fuck women, and they do describe how to use money to bang women. These guys think that simply having money will make women jump on your dick.


Money or Game? The truth seems pretty obvious.

Samseau this is what you dont understand. Guys who solely defend game usually are not that interesting people. Dont get me wrong, they are really cool to hang out with but they dont bring much to the table. These guys usually dont last long in the game and if they do, they wont be living big like the playboys with cash. The guys who deffend game wont have money to travel around the world and fuck women from different cities and to make it simple they are not that smart.

Can you really see a man who is 45 and be pulling hot young women all the time? The 45's cats i have seen doing that were wealthy, aint no space for the broke ones.

Also as Blurb said, we are not really making money for women, its for the freedom that it brings. The life of just fucking women all the time and do nothing else bores me after certain time, i need to have a greater motivation. So the young cats that still dont understand that money is more important than women, go travel to a city where women are easier, stay there for 3 months, fuck lots of 8's,9s and 10's and you will see how you feel.

However this money thing is not for everybody, i have been focused on money since i was 7 or 8, i still remember when my dad bought me my first bike (i sold it after few weeks).So i see making money as something natural, for example, if you are a true nerd, you will hardly ever become really good with women, it goes the same for people who dont have the principles of money, if you dont understand the ''basic principles of money'', you will never be wealthy.

[Samseau]

Blurb:

Quote:

Money buys you freedom. Money buys you a lifestyle. Money frees you from needing to have a job.

You got it backwards.

Money is slavery. Money kills dreams. Money means you need a job.

When I used to chase money, all of my time was spent on trying to make a buck. I had to put aside the things I wanted to do and focus on getting a job. I had no freedom, I had no life, all I had was a job.

Blurb again:

Quote:

The guys who defend Game, on the other hand, are the opposite. They don't have insightful business ventures, and they do not share many tips and tactics on business startups and financial independence.

and Pitt:

Quote:

These guys usually dont last long in the game and if they do, they wont be living big like the playboys with cash. The guys who deffend game wont have money to travel around the world and fuck women from different cities and to make it simple they are not that smart.

Both MiXX and GManifesto make mad cash and defend game over money.

[worldwidetraveler]

(12-09-2011 06:28 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You got it backwards.

Money is slavery. Money kills dreams. Money means you need a job.

When I used to chase money, all of my time was spent on trying to make a buck. I had to put aside the things I wanted to do and focus on getting a job. I had no freedom, I had no life, all I had was a job.

Money isn't slavery if you don't allow it. Same thing as allowing women to control you.

Do what you love and it will never be "slavery". I happen to love making money. I enjoy planning out a year of products. I get excited over marketing strategies and how to push the "buy now" emotions.

After awhile, money is just a way to keep score.

It sounds like you were chasing money for the sake of money. That will never make you happy.

Quote:

Both MiXX and GManifesto make mad cash and defend game over money.

I have always had decent results with women. I am sure I could do better if I read some of Roosh's books.

This isn't an either or type of thing. Money alone won't get you women but it will present more opportunities. Whether you can take advantage of those opportunities will have nothing to do with your money.

Mixx is a hardcore machine. haha I wouldn't be interested in being that hardcore gaming women. This stuff is more of a personal nature then a right or wrong.

[pitt]

(12-09-2011 06:28 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Blurb:

Quote:

Money buys you freedom. Money buys you a lifestyle. Money frees you from needing to have a job.

You got it backwards.

Money is slavery. Money kills dreams. Money means you need a job.

When I used to chase money, all of my time was spent on trying to make a buck. I had to put aside the things I wanted to do and focus on getting a job. I had no freedom, I had no life, all I had was a job.

Blurb again:

Quote:

The guys who defend Game, on the other hand, are the opposite. They don't have insightful business ventures, and they do not share many tips and tactics on business startups and financial independence.

and Pitt:

Quote:

These guys usually dont last long in the game and if they do, they wont be living big like the playboys with cash. The guys who deffend game wont have money to travel around the world and fuck women from different cities and to make it simple they are not that smart.

Both MiXX and GManifesto make mad cash and defend game over money.

G Manifesto advocates game over money? haha dont make me laugh. G manifesto advocates money all day..money is slavery? Money Kills dreams? I dont think i have much to talk here, good luck with your perspective of life.

[Excelsior]

(12-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

These guys think that simply having money will make women jump on your dick.

Anyone who has taken the time to even glance at the previous 3-4 pages of this thread will know that this simply isn't true. We're quite a bit smarter than this, and you know that.

(12-09-2011 06:28 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Both MiXX and GManifesto make mad cash and defend game over money.

Why don't we just let the G speak for himself?

(05-25-2011 09:27 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Here is the deal:

If you want a long career in this Game, you need to have dough. Or at minimum, be a great actor that pretends to have the appearance of dough. (To do this, you are going to have a minimum of dough anyway and Oscar worthy acting abilities).

Take it from a former young zero dough mad girl swooper.

Sure, there are tons of guys out there that are broke and swoop fly girls.

The thing is, they don't last in this Game. Their careers are short like leprechauns.

In the end, those guys are a blip on the screen, insignificant, flash in the pans.

The guys with distance, always have CASH.

(05-25-2011 03:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This thread: Money for Pu$$y - How important is Money? http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4742.html

Inspired me to do a little write up. I wanted to share what my experiences in The Game of Life have taught/shown me.

I wrote this for the younger cats so you can know what to look forward to and to the older cats to see if they agree.


I have lived both lives from a broke/young girl swooper to a 30's International Playboy (although still to this day I don't consider myself "wealthy"), here is what I have noticed:

When I was young:

I had minimal dough
I surfed. Good.
I had tons of time.
I had youthful good looks. In great shape.

The results:

I got a bunch of hot girls, but lost out tons to older guys with dough.
I lost a ton of girl to "bad logistics" ie roomates, non-ideal crib situations
I had to spend tons of time and put in mad work

Now:

I have dough.
I dress sharp as a box cutter
My logisitics are sick
I do whatever I want
I am still good looking, have been able to "cheat" aging, although when I look at pictures when I was 20 I was a handsome m*therf*cker
I have experience

The results:

I swoop girls I could have never before ie super fly 22-26 year olds, that liked more out of life
Everything is easier
Way less time or effort swooping
My potential girl "pool" is huge. 18-40 year olds are all down.
Logistics never get in my way so my close percentage is off the charts

Thoughts?

(05-29-2011 02:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Selva -

"I read all of these posts with guys saying you need a fly pad, custom suits, a status job, or money to pull women, but what they are really saying is "my inner game is still weak and I need a crutch".

What I am saying is it makes things easier, and more effective.

Sure, I could still put on a t-shirt and jeans and hit on girls during the day for 12 hours straight, spend zero CASH and probably (maybe) pull a fly girl.

But I would rather throw on a Custom Suit spend 4 hours at a bar at night, drop a little scratch and pull a fly girl.

Because in the end, the second strategy actually saved me time and money.

And we have to stop with this whole pick up artist lingo "crutch" thing.

What is not a crutch? Good looks are a crutch, being in shape is a crutch, Custom Suits are a crutch, money is a crutch.

Unless you are picking up girls with a paper bag over your head, we are all using crutches.

Let's dead that.

[mofo]

Great thread

[Samseau]

Athlone, that was G in response to guys attacking him for using money and claiming the G has no game.

But if you look at G's life, you noticed he first got his game and then found money. Not the reverse, which indicates his preference: Game > Money. He also remarked that having money made his life 100x easier, but that doesn't mean Game isn't more important than money.


No one said money has no advantages; indeed, it's necessary to have a minimum amount. But when it comes to picking up girls, GAME is the most important asset to have.

Here is G's respect for GAME over money:

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/03/pla...-crib.html

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/06/pla...-ride.html

One of the reasons G even visits these forums is because of his respect for the game, since he acknowledges it's power in influencing women. If G believed money was the end all, why would he come here? He'd be better off making more $$$.

MiXX has also stated similar sentiments that he doesn't want to spend $$$ on girls because it's a waste. That's why he quit Yoga and refuses to buy a nice car.

Roosh has sold thousands of his ebooks, he's not exactly hurting for cash nowadays either. And yet, Roosh proclaims GAME over money. Roosh's statement on the first page of this thread is also in line with both MiXX and G.

[Excelsior]

(12-09-2011 01:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Athlone, that was G in response to guys attacking him for using money and claiming the G has no game.

Really? Just looking at these posts in context seems to invalidate your claim here.

The first quote was the eighth post in that thread-none of the prior users had attacked him or mentioned his name (much less claimed he had no game). He simply responded to the OPs question about the importance of money over the long term. Nobody later on in the two-page thread attacked him either for his statement.

The second quote comes from a thread in which G was the OP simply offering his experiences with money over time. He was inspired by the discussion in the first thread I linked to. This post was not prompted by attacks on the G at all.

The final quote was in fact from the same thread as the second one, just much later on, and it is a response to an attack by a user named Selva claiming that those who consider money a factor are just using it as a crutch.
Even then, I don't see how that invalidates the quote itself. Are you trying to claim that because G is responding to criticism, he doesn't actually mean what he says about money being a very important factor?

Quote:

But if you look at G's life, you noticed he first got his game and then found money. Not the reverse, which indicates his preference: Game > Money. He also remarked that having money made his life 100x easier, but that doesn't mean Game isn't more important than money.

It also doesn't necessarily imply that game has a significant advantage over money. The effects of cash on his game were tremendous (as the second quote indicates) and he makes it clear that without money, his lifespan in the game would have been much shorter.

Quote:

No one said money has no advantages; indeed, it's necessary to have a minimum amount. But when it comes to picking up girls, GAME is the most important asset to have.

Until you age, that is.

Quote:

Here is G's respect for GAME over money:

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/03/pla...-crib.html

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/06/pla...-ride.html

Meanwhile, his obsession with custom suits and his quotes from the aforementioned posts show a similar respect for money over game.

Quote:

One of the reasons G even visits these forums is because of his respect for the game, since he acknowledges it's power in influencing women. If G believed money was the end all, why would he come here? He'd be better off making more $$$.

Where exactly did I state that G believed money was the absolute end-all (read: game was not a factor)?

Quote:

MiXX has also stated similar sentiments that he doesn't want to spend $$$ on girls because it's a waste. That's why he quit Yoga and refuses to buy a nice car.

Part of that is his location-lots of chumps in his area drive Ferraris and Lambos, lowering their appeal to women. He still fully admits that in areas with fewer big ballers (read: most of the country outside of the major cities like Miami, NYC, etc), those cars would still have tons of pull. They'd have similar or possible greater effects in other countries like Colombia.

He also clearly states that motorcycles and boats still have major pull. The bike may be cheap, but you'll need a decent amount of cash for the boat.

Money still counts. All that MiXX's posts consistently show is that cash shouldn't be relied on by itself to get women, a sentiment that we all agree on.

Quote:

Roosh has sold thousands of his ebooks, he's not exactly hurting for cash nowadays either. And yet, Roosh proclaims GAME over money. Roosh's statement on the first page of this thread is also in line with both MiXX and G.

Even Roosh admits that his lack of logistics cost him plenty of notches. Money still counts.

Lets also not forget Hooligan Harry's excellent thread on this topic.

[Samseau]

Yeah, I know there are tons of advantages with money. But the question is, which overall is more useful?

People think money buys happiness and women, but of course it does not. It's just a tool that you need to use properly.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8752.html

Here's a dude who's doing his residency. He's a virgin. He went for the $$ and has no women to show for it. Furthermore, he still has to learn game from scratch while busting his ass 80 hours a week (at least) to complete his residency.

Without game, you are not getting laid. Without money, you can still get laid.

Game > Money

[xsplat]

(07-12-2011 10:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

If I made 60K a year, I'd be completely happy money wise, any more is gravy. After that, I'll take women over money.

I don't think it really works like that. Anyone who has had rising income will tell you that you acclimate and still feel the need for more.

More money gives you more options, and options never cease. You can't easily buy a farm on $60,000/year, for instance. And if you have entrepreneurial ideas, many of those will require more funding. What about building a house? How about a 2nd apartment?

You think that now you know what your baseline needs are. That's true, but that baseline shifts, as do your prospects.

I know for myself I'm starting to see a great deal of opportunities become visible, where before they were so entirely out of reach I never dreamed of them. Some of these will require a good heap of investment. And let me tell you that money can vastly improve your ability to handle the logistics of dating. Travel and a 2nd apartment, good hotels whenever you need them, rental cars. Not to mention that flashing cash is as good a panty peeler as is cranberry-vodka.

It's not an either or thing. Money is an attraction trigger that also helps with logistics. Game is a requirement, whether you have money or not, if you want to arouse the girl. Game is the pizza crust and single cheese. Money is double cheese and all the toppings. It's a better pizza with lots of money.

[Excelsior]

(12-09-2011 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game > Money

If that makes you feel better.

[Hooligan Harry]

Samseau, cant help but feel you are projecting here bud.

The only guys who think money does not matter are typically the guys who dont have any. They then try to convince themselves it means nothing and will have no real influence on the outcome, and its more wishful thinking than anything else. You also need to understand that there is a difference in having a high paying job and having money. Money is a million bucks a year plus, not a 200k a year job. A million bucks a year in the USA is nothing special these days either to be fair.

Money is owning your time, not having your time belong to someone else. Money is power. Its first class flights, any restaurant, any destination, any clothes, any car, any house, any event.

Is it the be all and end all? Unless you are Trump level rich, then no. Just like good looks alone are not enough, its the same with money. But while many of the PUA's here are staying in hostels and eating on the cheap, I stay in 4 star and 5 star hotels and eat pretty much wherever I like. This makes a difference in countries where the women we are trying to fuck are simply not used to experiencing that sort of thing. Its a massive advantage. To have that same advantage in the west, you would need to be making millions a year.

Identifying cases like Zuckerberg or the rich doctor you know means nothing when half the retards on PUA forums have not clocked more than a handful of lays either. Just like money does little for them, game does little for chuds when they have no social skills. Lets not think for a minute that the majority of PUA's are crushing ass either, and the vast majority are social rejects in many cases.

Game is not the be all and end all. Its part of the package. But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money OR they are famous/influential. Its all fun and games in your 20's and 30's, but I still want to be fucking 19 year old sluts when Im 65 thanks.

[Kaizen]

I couldn't find the exact Gman post, but he said it best when he wrote something to the effect:

Game PLUS Money is an option only available to the man with dough.
Who says guy with money can't come correct with game too.

[jordypip23]

All due respect bro, a million bucks a year is WAYY more than the average person in this country (USA) makes. It would probably put you into the top 10% of the top 1% wealthiest in this country. It might not seem like much while walking down 5th Ave in NYC or Ocean Drive in Miami (or Rodeo Drive in LA), but it is WAYYY more than most Americans will ever make on a regular basis. Even some of the scrubbier reserve players in the NBA don't make that kind of money lol.

(12-09-2011 11:35 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Samseau, cant help but feel you are projecting here bud.

The only guys who think money does not matter are typically the guys who dont have any. They then try to convince themselves it means nothing and will have no real influence on the outcome, and its more wishful thinking than anything else. You also need to understand that there is a difference in having a high paying job and having money. Money is a million bucks a year plus, not a 200k a year job. A million bucks a year in the USA is nothing special these days either to be fair.

Money is owning your time, not having your time belong to someone else. Money is power. Its first class flights, any restaurant, any destination, any clothes, any car, any house, any event.

Is it the be all and end all? Unless you are Trump level rich, then no. Just like good looks alone are not enough, its the same with money. But while many of the PUA's here are staying in hostels and eating on the cheap, I stay in 4 star and 5 star hotels and eat pretty much wherever I like. This makes a difference in countries where the women we are trying to fuck are simply not used to experiencing that sort of thing. Its a massive advantage. To have that same advantage in the west, you would need to be making millions a year.

Identifying cases like Zuckerberg or the rich doctor you know means nothing when half the retards on PUA forums have not clocked more than a handful of lays either. Just like money does little for them, game does little for chuds when they have no social skills. Lets not think for a minute that the majority of PUA's are crushing ass either, and the vast majority are social rejects in many cases.

Game is not the be all and end all. Its part of the package. But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money OR they are famous/influential. Its all fun and games in your 20's and 30's, but I still want to be fucking 19 year old sluts when Im 65 thanks.

[Saladin]

One interesting parallel.

Both the pursuit of money and game are very similar in many aspects. If you have mastered one its way easier to master both. Mastering both at the same time is a great idea since you keep switching between two productive activities that are enjoyable and make your life better.

The chase of money is addicting as is the chase of women.

[Samseau]

(12-09-2011 10:41 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(12-09-2011 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game > Money

If that makes you feel better.

Is that the best troll you can do?

Harry:

Quote:

But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money

Why, because they are buying hookers? MiXX's grandfather impregnated a teen Columbina in his 70's... and MiXX's grandfather was not rich by any standard.

Quote:

The only guys who think money does not matter are typically the guys who dont have any.

Who said that money doesn't matter? Not one person in this forum has said that.


All I'm saying is that, pound for pound and round for round, game trumps $$$.

The topic of this thread is, M.O.B.?

And as best as I can tell, from examining all available evidence,

Quote:

Without game, you are not getting laid. Without money, you can still get laid.

Game > Money

We see similar sentiments from xsplat:

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It's not an either or thing. Money is an attraction trigger that also helps with logistics. Game is a requirement, whether you have money or not, if you want to arouse the girl. Game is the pizza crust and single cheese. Money is double cheese and all the toppings. It's a better pizza with lots of money.

EXACTLY. Game is the requirement. Game is sufficient and necessary. Money is sufficient but not necessary.


Money is good. Money is great. Money makes me happy. But if you had to choose, it's GAME all the way.



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Yet another example of a rich, successful player who believes game trumps $$$:

http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2011/...or-game-2/

[Hooligan Harry]

(12-10-2011 12:50 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

All due respect bro, a million bucks a year is WAYY more than the average person in this country (USA) makes. It would probably put you into the top 10% of the top 1% wealthiest in this country. It might not seem like much while walking down 5th Ave in NYC or Ocean Drive in Miami (or Rodeo Drive in LA), but it is WAYYY more than most Americans will ever make on a regular basis. Even some of the scrubbier reserve players in the NBA don't make that kind of money lol.

Thats the whole fucking point though. People look at a doctor pulling 350k a year and think the guy has money. He is upper middle class, he is not wealthy. He is well off, HE IS NOT WEALTHY.

Women are not attracted to the money, they are attracted to the lifestyle, freedom, status and power it represents. At 350k a year, the jump from the dude who makes 200k a year is very, very small in what he can do. At that level, other shit is more important to her. When you start going past the 1 million mark, then you are starting to move into levels where you are truly wealthy. There is a massive jump from poor to lower middle class, but then the jumps from lower middle class to upper middle class closing in on wealthy are minuscule. Its a car every 2 years instead of 3. Its a 4 bedroom home instead of a 3 bedroom townhouse. This is not going to be an advantage when it comes to fucking women is it?

Anyone who thinks game is going to compete against real wealth is day dreaming though. Its a knock out punch for men under 40, its a cakewalk for men under 50 and the older boys over 60 could still get more ass in a weekend than Mystery would in a year if they wanted to.

Why? Because only 1% of that 10% you are talking about makes that sort of scratch. They are not around every corner and they are a fucking whale for any bitch that can land them and keep them for a while. If anyone is dumb enough to think that a few negs and a bit of "whatever we want to call it today game" is going to trump that, they are fucking delusional or retarded.

Game is a social skill where you imply status. Money is a tool that comes with automatic status. 350k a year is not status, its a well off dude who did well in college and has a good job. He makes for a good husband and a better sap to divorce after she pops out a few kids.

The guy making a million a year plus? Different ballgame. When you start seeing fat fucks who need to take viagra just so they can fuck their 9's, and they have more than one or two of them on the go at a time while the wife is at home looking after the kids, then come to me with this game trumps money shit.

You are not going to be 21 your whole life. Good luck gaming 20 year old women when you are in your 50's and you dont have two nickels to rub together.

Men who think money means shit to women are no different to fat bitches who think men will be attracted to them if they are educated. Its a cop out to make themselves feel better and its flat out denial.

You are not going to make a gazillion overnight and its really not the end of the world either. Learn to accept women for what they are, accept that their nature is what it is and make the adjustments you have to. Just like you should be exercising and keeping yourself in shape, so to should you be dressing as best you can. Just like you make sure you rack up the numbers trying to get laid, spend some time concentrating on putting a few dollars in your pocket too.