Quote: (04-22-2014 10:01 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

For me, in the US, the juice is simple not worth the squeeze 80 percent of the time. I would happily be a clown IF it got me a sweet, affectionate, loving girl BUT what I get instead is a cold, self-centered, fuck you, I'm a bad ass bitch. Naturally, this situation is made worse because I usually play in the 8+ range. All Game is today is a way to be a more intriguing and interesting clown/performer. I feel that I am performing from the approach to the bedroom and after. Ok, so, I am a clown/performer but for what or who I am doing this and is it worth it? For me, the answer is no, it's not worth it most of the time in America because I hate self-centered, selfish people and catering to them only makes the situation worse. I don't even get a little applause for my great performance as a clown most of the time. And you would think that the older women would be better than the younger ones but no. The best girls are the ones from the small towns.

Once you have lived outside of the US, it's very difficult to accept the status quo as it is.

Wow, good post. Very honest and forward. I've gone through a similar moment where I've gotten tired of the game. I used to be one hell of an entertainer, but I don't get the same thrill out of it. Heck I just don't want to do it. I'm lazy.

Does that mean all of the game lessons I picked up are useless? No not at all, quite the contrary it has helped me considerably in many other areas.

Most notably the, "I am the prize" concept and being centered on yourself to remain objective in who you are and what you want.

The girl should be pining for my attention, not the other way around. I've decidedly started spending more time working on myself as the pay out from doing such a thing has been better overall.

I agree the Game concepts can apply to many other areas of life and do. What I am saying is that we have two choices when it comes to women in this country - allow things to get worse (and they will) or act collectively to change them.

Quote: (04-22-2014 10:01 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

For me, in the US, the juice is simple not worth the squeeze 80 percent of the time. I would happily be a clown IF it got me a sweet, affectionate, loving girl BUT what I get instead is a cold, self-centered, fuck you, I'm a bad ass bitch. Naturally, this situation is made worse because I usually play in the 8+ range. All Game is today is a way to be a more intriguing and interesting clown/performer. I feel that I am performing from the approach to the bedroom and after. Ok, so, I am a clown/performer but for what or who I am doing this and is it worth it? For me, the answer is no, it's not worth it most of the time in America because I hate self-centered, selfish people and catering to them only makes the situation worse. I don't even get a little applause for my great performance as a clown most of the time. And you would think that the older women would be better than the younger ones but no. The best girls are the ones from the small towns.

Once you have lived outside of the US, it's very difficult to accept the status quo as it is.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I've been reading game/manosphere material since I swallowed the red pill about 3-4 years, and I can safely say that Roosh's recent blog post "Men Are Nothing More Than Clowns To The Modern Woman" is one of the most powerful pieces I have ever read.

The problem is that these days, women (at least those who are living in developed Western nations) do not need men in their lives for anything at all really:

Money - Definitely not. Women nowadays earn just as much as men.
Getting around - Nope. Any woman can get a driver's licence and purchase a vehicle. If all else fails, she can catch public transportation or a taxi pretty safely.
Protection - Not really. Most cities in Western nations are very safe during the day and as long as she uses her common sense (e.g. not walking outside alone at night) she'll be fine. Besides, a man is statistically more likely to be assaulted than a woman anyway.
Emotional connection - Definitely not. She can form an emotional connection with her female friends.
Validation - No. As long as she is a 5 out of 10 or above, she will receive a huge amount of validation on social media such as Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. If she creates an online dating profile, she will receive hundreds, if not thousands of messages.
Children - Nope. Technically, access to a sperm bank means that a woman doesn't even need a man in her life to have a child. I know that using a sperm bank is still very expensive, but in the future they will become cheaper and more accessible.

As men, we really don't have much to leverage against women with. This has resulted in what we see today - the virtually unlimited and unchecked power women in modern society have.

If she wants to get fucked hard, and you don't do it, she'll just simply leave you and find a guy who will. If she wants to get fucked softly, the same principle applies. Modern women living in developed Western countries can get whatever they want and face virtually no repercussions.

I can only see one way that this can be reversed - if women became unable to engage in paid work. If you take away their money, you take away a significant amount of their power. This will restore the balance of power between the genders.

Quote: (04-22-2014 11:12 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I agree the Game concepts can apply to many other areas of life and do. What I am saying is that we have two choices when it comes to women in this country - allow things to get worse (and they will) or act collectively to change them.

I'll step out of line with the forum group think:

I would like and enjoy being emotionally vulnerable with a woman. Obviously within reason (don't be needy and beta), but I would enjoy being able to take off the entertainer/corporate killer hat and be able to just be me at the end of my busy day. I'm tired of putting on masks.

I've been tired of it for years, that's why I am venting my frustration on here.

The problem is that as soon as you do that, she perceives you as beta and either leaves or cheats on you with a guy who either by nature is more of an asshole or at least is comfortable playing the part.

Quote: (04-22-2014 11:13 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

The problem is that these days, women (at least those who are living in developed Western nations) do not need men in their lives for anything at all really:

You nailed it precisely. They really don't need us for anything of importance anymore and as such they can hire and fire at will. This is why one of their favorite words is now: NEXT!

Nomad,you can easily get over this frustration by changing your own lifestyle. Stop going to bars, parties, and clubs to meet girls and go after girls who don't put out until either marriage or an established relationship.

If I heard a girl saying she felt she was being treated like a cheap prostitute, I'd think she could have easily avoided it by not acting like one. She should just change the way she presents herself and the kinds of guys she associates with and the problem is solved entirely. We all know there are plenty of guys who want conservative lifestyles, and have lived by this pretty much their whole lives, so what makes you think there aren't girls like that?

Just find a nice conservative girl and stop torturing yourself thinking about girls you don't want. I realize virgins are not a high percentage in more liberal parts of the country, but in many of the more conservative states, it's fairly easy to find people who have only had 0 or 1 lifetime sexual partners. It's just not true that every woman in the US is a crazy emotionless attention whore and serial dater trying to use men for porn-style sex. These women are just a very visible minority.

"go after girls who don't put out until either marriage or an established relationship."

^^^



The concept of girls who go out are dirty sluts and girls at yoga class, the dog park and church are chaste, is one of the biggest falsehoods running rampant.

Girls get down nowadays. All of them.

Literally all of them.

I took a girl's virginity in Vegas last week. She was a 'good girl', but couldn't resist the alpha cock and the epic time I showed her.

Quote: (04-22-2014 12:07 PM)cocoballs Wrote:  

The problem is that as soon as you do that, she perceives you as beta and either leaves or cheats on you with a guy who either by nature is more of an asshole or at least is comfortable playing the part.

Not necessarily. Remember your goals, your life. The woman is in orbit around you. You're the most awesome person ever and let her know that. Narcissism, a developed set of morals, and interests outside of the relationship will keep her honest.

You also reap what you sow. A party girl you met up at the club will most likely do this to you. A quiet book nerd who likes to cook and goes to church on sunday not really.

Quote: (04-22-2014 02:42 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

You also reap what you sow. A party girl you met up at the club will most likely do this to you. A quiet book nerd who likes to cook and goes to church on sunday not really.

Right, I met a chick at Whole Foods, who goes with her mom to the store every Saturday at 7 A.M., that's their routine.

I doubt I would have ran into her at Mansion on a Friday night.

Quote: (04-22-2014 02:40 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"go after girls who don't put out until either marriage or an established relationship."

^^^



The concept of girls who go out are dirty sluts and girls at yoga class, the dog park and church are chaste, is one of the biggest falsehoods running rampant.

Girls get down nowadays. All of them.

Literally all of them.

I took a girl's virginity in Vegas last week. She was a 'good girl', but couldn't resist the alpha cock and the epic time I showed her.

I never said he should concentrate on churches or yoga classes, but if all the girls he's going after are at bars, parties, and clubs in big American cities, he'll get far more serial daters and damaged attention whores. I said there are plenty of places out there where there are relatively high percentages of people with 0-1 sexual partners, even in the US. This is a fact.

Lots of girls will say they're virgins, it doesn't mean it's true. Conservative girls can be found pretty easily in conservative places, not Vegas.

Quote: (04-22-2014 02:40 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"go after girls who don't put out until either marriage or an established relationship."

^^^



The concept of girls who go out are dirty sluts and girls at yoga class, the dog park and church are chaste, is one of the biggest falsehoods running rampant.

Girls get down nowadays. All of them.

Literally all of them.

I took a girl's virginity in Vegas last week. She was a 'good girl', but couldn't resist the alpha cock and the epic time I showed her.

No disrespect to your game but let's be real here, good girls don't go to Vegas to party with random dudes. She was probably ready to make that cross over to being a slut before she met you.

I don't have an answer to the question of where to go to find good girls. Working on that one myself. Still holding out hope that it's possible to find em though.

Quote: (04-21-2014 02:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you feel like you are being "used", you are coming from the mentality of a pussy that has been fucked.

I'm two pages behind in this thread but you don't always have to pretend to be the biggest, most bad ass person ever. Jesus you're ridiculous and your ego needs a shot of truth. Oh, and you're not ^^^

I would also agree with Nomad about the all the hardcore fucking being weird and degenerate. Now, dont get me wrong, I sometimes engage in it and I completely understand it. But all in all, it's just one more sign of a decaying society where all people wanna do is just hook up and rough fuck. Also, a lot of this shit is coming from porn these days which has turned so extreme it's borderline criminal (Dp, ass to mouth etc.)

Why do guys want "good girls?" What will you do with one once you find her? It almost like there's a subconscious desire by a significant number of guys to just find that "good girl" and buy her, i.e. marry her. Then what? Marriage? Kids? It's a prison Jerry, a man made prison. You're doing time.

^ Best shot at a good girl in the U.S. imo is a girl that doesn't dress well, doesn't wear much make up if at all, doesn't do much with her hair, doesn't drink and has never drank much or smoked, and could be low 7 if she put in the work for clothes, make up, and posture but doesn't. If you could coax her into getting a little sexier that's the best true shot.

Girls that are solid 7+s their whole lives that are good girls and not locked down? Tough gamble.

Quote: (04-22-2014 06:16 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Why do guys want "good girls?" What will you do with one once you find her? It almost like there's a subconscious desire by a significant number of guys to just find that "good girl" and buy her, i.e. marry her. Then what? Marriage? Kids? It's a prison Jerry, a man made prison. You're doing time.

Guys are holding out on a fantasy is what's going on.

I think a lot of guys would want a good, wholesome, incredibly hot girlfriend.

Unless you have a desert island to hide her away on, good luck.

Quote: (04-22-2014 04:17 PM)BiggNastee Wrote:  

Quote: (04-21-2014 02:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you feel like you are being "used", you are coming from the mentality of a pussy that has been fucked.

I'm two pages behind in this thread but you don't always have to pretend to be the biggest, most bad ass person ever. Jesus you're ridiculous and your ego needs a shot of truth. Oh, and you're not ^^^

Maybe you should finish reading the whole thread before posting- I responded on that one.

Quote: (04-22-2014 02:40 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"go after girls who don't put out until either marriage or an established relationship."

^^^



The concept of girls who go out are dirty sluts and girls at yoga class, the dog park and church are chaste, is one of the biggest falsehoods running rampant.

Girls get down nowadays. All of them.

Literally all of them.

I took a girl's virginity in Vegas last week. She was a 'good girl', but couldn't resist the alpha cock and the epic time I showed her.

I de-virginized a Polish girl that I met on NYC bus recently.

I think that any girl who is living a densely populated area is craving the D..

^Just started a thread on this under the Game section.

It's time to break down the falsehood of 'good' girls.

Hey, we are men here. We have the power to initiate what we want. If you want intimacy and connection, tenderness, softness instead of rough porno style mcsex, then it is up to you to bring that to the table.
And that is challenging.
Some women are going to be resistant to it, and have no reference point for it.
My recommendation: virtually beat her into submission, rougher than rough, and then go soft and tender.

I don't get this "good girl" thing, I think its just a phantom, a chimera of an idea that a girl who has only had 0-3 cocks is capable of affection and devotion and all the other "good" stuff.

the girl that is "good" is the girl that is good for you.

Quote: (04-22-2014 06:10 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

I would also agree with Nomad about the all the hardcore fucking being weird and degenerate. Now, dont get me wrong, I sometimes engage in it and I completely understand it. But all in all, it's just one more sign of a decaying society where all people wanna do is just hook up and rough fuck.

Judging by this thread, it seems like the last thing people want to do.

It seems to me all they want to do is whine about how "weird", "degenerate" and "empty" it all is.

And this is on a players' forum so what does that say about society at large? Maybe the "decay" has been a little overstated, lol. All I see is relentless prudery and moralizing everywhere I look.

Quote: (04-22-2014 06:10 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

Also, a lot of this shit is coming from porn these days which has turned so extreme it's borderline criminal (Dp, ass to mouth etc.)

Contemporary American porn is "borderline criminal" mainly in the near impossibility of finding even a single serviceable uninked slut.

Otherwise it basically looks like a regimented and grueling sports event, maybe something like a combination of synchronized swimming and a triathlon. It utterly lacks real perversity and has the athletic innocence and emphasis on endurance and simple minded exuberance that characterizes a young culture like America.

Not true. If you look at both porn and pop music over the course of the last 30 years it's easy to see that both has just degenerated to crap. It's only a matter of a short time before they start to show women and men eating crap on the regular porn channels. Hell, it's already considered quite normal for women to be sucking dicks out of another women or their own butts

Regarding the forum...there are many different types of men on here. Some men come here to learn how to get quick sex from women but not all of them are here for just that. Same concept of a thread, it's to address a particular point that may be relevant to a particular group but less relevant to other groups of people.

You don't see me going on the I just banged whatever threads and complaining about anything.

Yes pop culture continues to descend into deeper shit. It amazes me the depths of stupidity that things can get to.
That said, the earlier generations had their share of banal crap to.