Quote: (10-07-2013 09:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (10-07-2013 01:40 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:
I used to go on Attraction forums two years ago. Back then, he was one of maybe 3 legit people on there.
If I remember correctly, he was a close friend of Assanova back then and they would go out together all the time.
I have a feeling if TrueStory sticks around here, he will have a lot to add to this forum.
*Edit: Because his advice helped me way back when, I'll link you guys to one of his big posts:
http://www.theattractionforums.com/best-...nance.html
It's 4 years old, but I feel that it represents him well.
Rep points are far from the end-all-be-all and Mixx showed how they can corrupt a person's soul.
But you've been here for two years.
And you have one? Really...just one? You don't have any useful info to share with the rest of the guys?
Why argue with me and defend some guy who just shit talked the forum? Why not figure out a way to help other guys out?
"Freely ye have received, freely give."
Yeah, I shit talk your reliance on rep points for credibility and had a good reason for doing that. I still think the rep point system is bogus from a social community stand point of view. Such system has high tendency to be abused. I know this from experience. I have ran several forums for work, pleasure, and for the "community" (Ohio Lair, Midwest Lair), as well as actively moderated some large forums like TAF.
But unfortunately is the best we have and I cannot offer a better solution for relatively judging reputation of forums members. While, some professionals on social communities would even say that rep system can create false sense of "trust" in members otherwise should not be trusted. I am not so certain about that, but it's a theory.
Tech shit aside, here is what I addressed in regards to the on-going discussion, and wanted to summarize why I think this way, perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly. Keep in mind, I've been following Roosh's formums for a while, and aware of its culture and some notable members. I am also not a new-comer to the community either.
Rep points - back to this again, I know. I give people reps when I see that his idea (post) would be helpful to OP. Unfortunately, members tend to treat rep system similarly to a facebook "like" concept and simply "oh me too" the shit out of that button. IF everyone gave constructive reps for good advice, I would be less apprehensive about the system. I am neither defending it nor against it. I am stating what I've experienced.
Number of posts - I simply do not see how most of you find time to spend days on this forum. Unless you're moderator, author, administrator, or tightly involved with community (organizer, blogger, lair-admin, etc.) ... it's hard to allocate so much time to writing on the game and this subject in general. However, I do write on this and I do post actively, when not busy.
Meeting up with real people - that's the original point and always has been. I am currently meeting couple guys in Kharkov, UA because of RVF. I thinks this is the greatest benefit of the communities like this.
Pickup Artists - I immediately ignore everything from a person who uses blanket statements like "all ____ are ____". That's garbage. That's what feminists use, "all man are scum". No. Not all. Statistically impossible. Whether "all" is implied or explicitly stated, it's unfair to bunch everyone in the umbrella category under one identifier like this.
Like I said, there are legitimate guys in the field, some are better at coaching, some are better at game. However as a student looking for a great teacher - an instructor with a great game but without any coaching skills is as useful as instructor with shitty game and great teaching abilities.
Of course, "pickup" is a business and it will have a level of hype-ness to it, And as a entrepreneur myself, I respect their craft. Because this field is getting over saturated, grabbing attention of potential customer requires some level of over-exaggeration. You can blame yourself as a "magic pill" society that needs instant gratification and success (5 minute abs, 3 day diet, 4 hour work week, 2 day pickup mastery, and so on). You are marketed product you're most likely to buy in a way you are most likely to respond. If it didn't work it wouldn't exist. What I like to call "herding the sheep".
You, as an decision capable adult, can read reviews, talk to previous students, etc. A good company will usually offer money-back-guarantee. Unfortunately they are all "self proclaimed" gurus and there isn't a central PUA certification system. This isn't fucking Microsoft.
Community (and it seems like a lot of guys here have trickled in from the "mainstream" boards) has unreasonable expectation of what it means to be "good with women". Additionally, this impacts overall perspective of what a great coach should be like. Community has tendency to overhype and over idolize well promoted gurus (like Mystery, Nick Savoy, Tyler Durden, and so on). Guys, I do have news for you. They also get blown out, run shitty sets, can be in tired mood, have bad showmanship in front of the student, or slack at times.
You think you have approach anxiety and social pressure? Now put yourself in the shoes of those guys, not only they are approaching an attractive woman in mixed set, they are also being watched by his students, possibly his vid will be shared on YouTube, and on top of that there is a reputation to protect, because, thousands of guys will discuss how "his set was fat", "he was horrible", "he got blown out", etc.
As I said, even the greatest coaches (or naturals) get rejected. Anyone who denies this, denies the foundation of game.
I like Roosh, even though I haven't personally met him, because of what he writes and how he perceives the game. His attitude towards american women really clicked with my own experience. His thoughts ring well in my mind. However, he could (not saying he is) be not the greatest teacher in one-on-one, and it does not matter, I respect the guy and will gladly learn what I can from his experience. We are not ideal and perfect, and you learn what you can from who you can.
I know guys that took at least 5 bootcamps with various instructors and they still struggle with women and still have approach anxiety. I also have friends who got amazingly good, after a free seminar, but through dedication and effort in the field. As I said above, taking training isn't means to an end, but more of a guidance into the right direction. You will not wakeup pickup master after a weekend bootcamp. Still have to clock in your hours and do homework..
Maybe if we would stop looking for holes in other people's game and if we can slow down on shit-talk about their pickup skills, maybe if we would look at what can be learned from that person, we wouldn't have this thread altogether.
This "celebrity gossip" tendency is predominant to the female circles, not in male ones. This shit chicken gobble just pisses me off "oh did you see that ugly girl a famous-pickup-artist is with? damn" and "oh look, so and so gets blown out, his game must be week, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp", fucking The View tv show up in here.
Come on, really?