Quote: (07-03-2013 04:17 PM)Courage Wrote:  

Some of you guys are a little nuts.

What reason would a man prefer a 30's chick over a 19 year old?

I say 27.

I'm 35 now. If I had said magic wand, I would have stayed at 27.

Teens and early 20's girls are less likely to be into older men. It's worth mentioning I'm not interested in women over 27.

For me, 27 was the sweet spot where I could attract 18-27 year olds most effectively.

Money doesn't matter to young girls. Looks, and to a lesser extent confidence, are king.

based on what?

Seems to me pretty much every women I know will willingly admit to being attracted to some older professor/teacher/boss/co-worker/etc.

Quote: (07-07-2013 02:05 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I don’t understand the mentality behind “I don’t date girls over 25.” You all know damn well that there are 30+ women out there who are hotter than over 90 percent of 20-year-olds. They usually dress less provocatively, but it won’t matter when the clothes are off.

About a month ago at work, I saw a German woman in her 30s who was dressed really sexy and looked hotter than 99 percent of American women in their 20s. She was a tall brunette with beautiful glowing skin and tight black clothing on a hot summer’s day. Really hot face, big tits, small waist, big butt, and long shapely legs.

At what age would you rather approach a woman like that? 25, 30, or 40?

Depends what you consider provocative though. those 20 year old "baby deer" don't always look all that sexy stumbling around in the heels they haven't learned to walk in yet.

I will share with you a little secret in this context that helps to keep you look young and even make yourself more attractive. Its facial exercises. Most of us realize how important is to go to gym to keep your body fit. But not many realize that face structure consists of muscles too.

Facial exercises are very helpful to eliminate signs of aging such like sagging jawls, crows feet, nasal folds, loosing facial definition in general.

Facial exercises are not only meant to prevent aging but also to make your face more attractive in general.
Its a good tool if you want to loose some facial fat, get more defined jawline, lift your cheeks, eliminate a double chin.
I do two sets of exericses for 10 minutes a day for a year already and my facial aestethics improved a lot.

Quote: (07-09-2013 02:28 AM)starmaze Wrote:  

I will share with you a little secret in this context that helps to keep you look young and even make yourself more attractive. Its facial exercises. Most of us realize how important is to go to gym to keep your body fit. But not many realize that face structure consists of muscles too.

Facial exercises are very helpful to eliminate signs of aging such like sagging jawls, crows feet, nasal folds, loosing facial definition in general.

Facial exercises are not only meant to prevent aging but also to make your face more attractive in general.
Its a good tool if you want to loose some facial fat, get more defined jawline, lift your cheeks, eliminate a double chin.
I do two sets of exericses for 10 minutes a day for a year already and my facial aestethics improved a lot.

Good contribution.

I saw someone dropped a youtube link before about Jack LaLanne doing these, was that you?

Any other links you could provide us to break these down further?

Maybe make a separate thread/data sheet, this is one area that people touch on that no one really fleshes out

Quote: (07-06-2013 11:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (07-05-2013 04:12 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

But you don't want to be too pasty white.

I recently got better looking. How?

I got a tan. My skin color was too white. A few people commented that I look better now.

I also grew my hair out. I used to have a short, military style cut. This is not good for a guy in his mid-30's. Not enough style and flair. People thought I was a cop or a marine. Not the look I was going for.

And, I added some muscle mass and started tucking my shirt in more to highlight my waist to shoulder ratio.

These 3 things improved my appearance quite a bit.

1) Get a tan. Pasty white only looks good on Swedish people and other Northern Europeans, I think.
2) Get a grown man hair style.
3) Hit the weights and wear clothes that fit properly.

I will be ready when school starts next month!

*****

I just talked to one of my game mentors. I guy that is slightly older then me, 41, I think. We were talking about dating much younger girls.

He said he is at a great age because he can date girls aged 20-40. I asked him why he would want to date a girl over 28 but thats a whole nother story..

He said most guys don't realize that they can date much younger girls. One line he said that stood out to me is..

"they just want a guy that knows what he's doing"

#1 is huge for me. Getting a tan or even using tanning lotion is as close to a magic pill as I have seen.

#2 not sure if I buy that. I get some of my best results with my head clippered down to a #2 guard haircut, which is a 1/4 inch. Some girls liked me with my hair longer, but I am getting some gray hairs and I am done with dieing it for a while.

#3 No doubt.

#4 Probably as important as any of the above or more - straighten or at least whiten your teeth. Bad teeth will make you look older than bad almost anything else. Equally important to having a nice tan IMO.

I just got my first spray tan of my life. Best thing ever. A really natural and even tan. Much better than a real tan.

This isn't dying your skin. It's a clear chemical they spray on you. Six hours later you have a nice even perfect tan. I think it does some chemical reaction on your dead skin cells and changes their color.

Quote: (07-09-2013 02:28 AM)starmaze Wrote:  

I will share with you a little secret in this context that helps to keep you look young and even make yourself more attractive. Its facial exercises. Most of us realize how important is to go to gym to keep your body fit. But not many realize that face structure consists of muscles too.

Facial exercises are very helpful to eliminate signs of aging such like sagging jawls, crows feet, nasal folds, loosing facial definition in general.

Facial exercises are not only meant to prevent aging but also to make your face more attractive in general.
Its a good tool if you want to loose some facial fat, get more defined jawline, lift your cheeks, eliminate a double chin.
I do two sets of exericses for 10 minutes a day for a year already and my facial aestethics improved a lot.

I started doing these in February and into March, and then slacked off for a while.

Started again here recently and whoo eee, the burn from exercising the muscles I felt for 3 hours!

There is no question that these work, but you need to stay very consistent.

I read somewhere that the avg 18 yo and the avg 45 yo man are considered equally attractive but that the man is considered most attractive at age 31.

I feel like that gels with my experience.

At 31 even and avg looking, avg game guy can still hook up with a girl 18-35 and the younger end is totally conceivable. After that, I think you will either need game or status, or a higher level of confidence, because most avg guys ~35+ are going to be too scared of the social stigma of hitting on a 18-21 yo girl.

I am curious what other guys think.

If you have inner game, you can certainly swoop 21-yr olds when you're 35-40+.

If you don't, then yeah, you'll be too scared.

It's like anything else, some of the girls would never date someone 'older,' and some are very, very into it. The good thing about approaching is that they will reveal themselves very quickly.

Quote: (08-09-2013 01:49 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

most avg guys ~35+ are going to be too scared of the social stigma of hitting on a 18-21 yo girl.

I am curious what other guys think.

I am 37.

I only go for girls 18-21.

Nothing about it scares me. In fact, it is invigorating for me.

Many of them tell me that they like older guys.

The "social stigma" only exists in your mind. Reality proves that this is very common.

Have a friend (girl) who is in her mid 20's, just got dumped by her boyfriend in his late-30s. She was of course upset.

He was a well off international traveller, with several different business ventures bringing in income. He spent considerable time overseas on his own. She said they broke up when she asked if he was ever going to take her feelings into account when he just jetted out of the country leaving her behind. He said he wouldn't.

She immediately started calling it "skeezy" that he was that old and single, then started talking about how nice his apt. was and how she should've been moving in there...

You know how it goes.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2013 01:49 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

most avg guys ~35+ are going to be too scared of the social stigma of hitting on a 18-21 yo girl.

I am curious what other guys think.

I am 37.

I only go for girls 18-21.

Nothing about it scares me. In fact, it is invigorating for me.

Many of them tell me that they like older guys.

The "social stigma" only exists in your mind. Reality proves that this is very common.

Social stigma doesn't mean that no 18yr olds are interested. It means that a large part of society looks down on it or finds it distasteful, which many do. Go ahead and tell 100 random women that you're 37 and that your gf is 18 and see how they react. Better yet, cuz they might not have the guts to be honest, tell them about the "guy you know". Even most men would call you out on it, I'm sure. They'll say you're a pedo. They'll say you can't get a woman your own age (love that one. LOL). They'll say you're taking advantage. They'll say lots of things even with a much much smaller age gap than that.

The social stigma is definitely there. Look at Letterman 20 years ago. Seinfeld around the same time I think. They got plenty of flack for it and they're celebrities. But as you say, that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of 18yr olds who are attracted to (the right) 40yr old.

It does take strength to stand up to that and know that plenty of people will constantly talk about it behind your back. For most men, the pleasure of a hot young girl isn't enough to counteract that and they crumble under the pressure.

And if you're not particularly young looking, it will get harder. Not impossible, but you're going to have to hit on more girls than when you're 25 or 30.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Social stigma doesn't mean that no 18yr olds are interested. It means that a large part of society looks down on it or finds it distasteful, which many do.

Who looks down on dating younger girls?

Men? No. They all want to bang 18-21yo girls.

Women? Some do, some don't. Many young ones have older guy fantasies.

Only older women look down on it.

I will not the let the opinion of older women stop me from dating younger women.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Go ahead and tell 100 random women that you're 37 and that your gf is 18 and see how they react.

I tell women this all the time. I get many different reactions from -- "good for you" to "you're a creep".

I don't care about the opinion of random women.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Even most men would call you out on it,

I highly doubt this..

I have been preaching this on this forum for years, not one man has ever called me out on it.

I will do it again right now..

I AM 37, I ONLY GO AFTER GIRLS IN THE 18-21YO AGE RANGE

Lets see how many guys call me out on this..

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

The social stigma is definitely there.

Not in my world.

I go by traditional Russian and Eastern European customs.

Maybe, your perspective is more American???

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Look at Letterman 20 years ago. Seinfeld around the same time I think. They got plenty of flack for it

Again, these are American examples.

I don't play by Americas social rules. I ignore them.

If Letterman and Seinfeld were Russian, no one would have thought twice about it.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

It does take strength to stand up to that and know that plenty of people will constantly talk about it behind your back.

For me, it does not require any strength. I don't hear anyone talking behind my back. I am not listening.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

For most men, the pleasure of a hot young girl isn't enough to counteract that and they crumble under the pressure.

Pressure, just like stigmas, only exist in our minds.

I don't feel that type of pressure.

I have trained myself to take control of it.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

you're going to have to hit on more girls than when you're 25 or 30.

Of course, thats why I approach, approach, approach and play the numbers game.

Approach 100 18 year olds and you will probably get 1 or 2.

Approach none and you will get none.

If you are afraid of what society thinks then you should stay within the the boundaries of your society.

I prefer to push the limits of reality.

Quote: (08-09-2013 03:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Who looks down on dating younger girls?

Men? No. They all want to bang 18-21yo girls.

Women? Some do, some don't. Many young ones have older guy fantasies.

Only older women look down on it.

I will not the let the opinion of older women stop me from dating younger women.

Bro I am in only my 20s in NYC, and I have had men and women my own age hate on me for dating women just a few years younger than myself.

"It's disgusting" "It's perverted" "You're taking advantage"

I appreciate your mentality of not letting others hold you down, but the social stigma definitely is real. Hell, I have a (girl) friend who dates dudes decades older than her and has hated on me for dating younger women.

There is no logic to it, people are just trained to think that way.

It's not just old women Giovanny, it's older jealous betas too.

Dating a younger woman makes everyone jealous. Guys are jealous they are stuck with old ladies, and women are jealous of the competition.

Quote: (08-09-2013 04:14 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Bro I am in only my 20s in NYC, and I have had men and women my own age hate on me for dating women just a few years younger than myself.

Say what?

What do they expect you to do? Only date girls your exact age?

Quote: (08-09-2013 09:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2013 04:14 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Bro I am in only my 20s in NYC, and I have had men and women my own age hate on me for dating women just a few years younger than myself.

Say what?

What do they expect you to do? Only date girls your exact age?

I've gotten the same shit. I was out at lunch with a ex. I told her I brought home a 26 year old from the bar the other night. She was like ugh that's disgusting. She's too young for you. Meanwhile she's 33 and tells me how she finds guys in they're 40's and 50's attractive. It's girl bullshit to control the market.

Simple my friend.

Black people have more resistance to sun, since white skinned people have some sort of "deficiency" since we have shortage of melanin.
In Asia it's different, people don't like getting a tan because darker skin is associated to menial and countryside labour, so they avoid the sun in general.

Quote: (07-04-2013 09:25 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

Anyone else notice in most cases, white skinned people age much faster than darker skinned?

I'm quite fair skinned but I tan extremely easily and my skin maintains the tan months after summer.

If I look at my parents, 53 and 50, they definitely do not look their age, and could easily get by being early 40's. That's considering the fact both have been smokers their whole lives.

That might have to do with me having a Latin background. It's weird because family friends who are Canadian and are younger than my parents by 5-10 years look older than them.

If there is one downside to this, it's that I won't be hitting this 'prime' until much later. I do have some what of a baby face which has gone a long way in the past year. Now that I have started lifting much more and become more aware of testosterone (changing my diet) my face structure has changed and I have more facial hair that matures me a bit.

I've also noticed that blacks and asians age extremely well.

Quote: (08-09-2013 03:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Social stigma doesn't mean that no 18yr olds are interested. It means that a large part of society looks down on it or finds it distasteful, which many do.

Who looks down on dating younger girls?

Men? No. They all want to bang 18-21yo girls.

Women? Some do, some don't. Many young ones have older guy fantasies.

Only older women look down on it.

I will not the let the opinion of older women stop me from dating younger women.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Go ahead and tell 100 random women that you're 37 and that your gf is 18 and see how they react.

I tell women this all the time. I get many different reactions from -- "good for you" to "you're a creep".

I don't care about the opinion of random women.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Even most men would call you out on it,

I highly doubt this..

I have been preaching this on this forum for years, not one man has ever called me out on it.

I will do it again right now..

I AM 37, I ONLY GO AFTER GIRLS IN THE 18-21YO AGE RANGE

Lets see how many guys call me out on this..

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

The social stigma is definitely there.

Not in my world.

I go by traditional Russian and Eastern European customs.

Maybe, your perspective is more American???

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Look at Letterman 20 years ago. Seinfeld around the same time I think. They got plenty of flack for it

Again, these are American examples.

I don't play by Americas social rules. I ignore them.

If Letterman and Seinfeld were Russian, no one would have thought twice about it.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

It does take strength to stand up to that and know that plenty of people will constantly talk about it behind your back.

For me, it does not require any strength. I don't hear anyone talking behind my back. I am not listening.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

For most men, the pleasure of a hot young girl isn't enough to counteract that and they crumble under the pressure.

Pressure, just like stigmas, only exist in our minds.

I don't feel that type of pressure.

I have trained myself to take control of it.

Quote: (08-09-2013 02:54 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

you're going to have to hit on more girls than when you're 25 or 30.

Of course, thats why I approach, approach, approach and play the numbers game.

Approach 100 18 year olds and you will probably get 1 or 2.

Approach none and you will get none.

If you are afraid of what society thinks then you should stay within the the boundaries of your society.

I prefer to push the limits of reality.

I don't even know where to start. Everything you've just said has nothing at all to do with the stigma we are referring to. BTW, proclaiming something here hardly does anything to show what 'society' thinks. Sorry, there are just too many straw men in your response to go through each one.

Quote: (08-09-2013 11:41 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

I don't even know where to start. Everything you've just said has nothing at all to do with the stigma we are referring to. BTW, proclaiming something here hardly does anything to show what 'society' thinks. Sorry, there are just too many straw men in your response to go through each one.

I gotta be honest. I got a nice chuckle out of your signature line:

Quote:Quote:

"Be the master, not the puppet.
http://www.immoralpsychology.com"

Yet here you are, worried about "social stigma."

Sounds like something a puppet would be obsessing over.

39 was OK, girls aren't so happy about a guy who's 40.

Still, men age better than women and this is a game that ultimately older guys do better at than older women.

Quote: (08-09-2013 04:14 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Bro I am in my 20s in NYC, and I have had men and women my own age hate on me for dating women just a few years younger than myself.

Wait..

You are in your 20's, you date girls in their 20's, and people criticize you for this???



Whoever said that, stay away from them, they are bat-shit fucking crazy!

Quote: (08-09-2013 04:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just old women Giovanny, it's older jealous betas too.

So, the source of this "stigma" is old women and betas..?

Its feminist bullshit.

They want to project their "stigma" on to me but I won't accept it into my paradigm.

Quote: (08-09-2013 11:41 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Everything you've just said has nothing at all to do with the stigma we are referring to.

You referred to a "stigma".

I said it doesn't exist.

You are probably right. You know better then me.

I don't live in that world.

I think the so called "stigma" is just the collective jealousy old ladies and betas.

Men can date younger women in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, The Middle East, and Russia.

Its only in feminist hotbeds where this "stigma" exists.

I do not believe in the delusions and fantasies of these people. I do not believe in their "stigma".

Its cool if you do, but, personally, I do not.

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I think the so called "stigma" is just the collective jealousy old ladies and betas.

That's exactly what it is. And it's fucking pathetic. But there's no sense in denying that this stigma exists.

Nowadays, when I'm around my friends, I leave out the part that I'm banging girls who are 18-22.

MikeCF: Where did I say I worried about the stigma?

Giovonny: I'm just saying you can't redefine a word or pretend it doesn't exist just because you don't like it. Maybe where you're from it doesn't exist. In North America, it does. To say that it doesn't just because you don't care or that it doesn't where you are makes no sense. And using as proof that no one on a forum of guys that are all on the same page calls you out on it just doesn't stand up. That's all.

I'd rather discuss reality of things and help those who can't or don't know how to deal with it than to pretend it's not there.

As plenty of guys have attesting to here, it absolutely does exist and some people have a problem dealing with it. I do not but some evidently do.

Quote: (08-10-2013 02:48 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

there's no sense in denying that this stigma exists.

I'm not denying that it exists. I'm saying that it only exists in the minds of old women and betas -- and, those people who are easily influenced by old women and betas.

They are wrong. Older men with younger women is a very natural thing which happens all over the world.

Old women and betas are trying to redefine nature.

They are terrorists against nature.

I will not live in fear of feminist terrorists.

Quote: (08-10-2013 03:39 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Giovonny: I'm just saying you can't redefine a word or pretend it doesn't exist just because you don't like it.

Maybe you are right..?

I refuse to acknowledge it. In my mind, there is no "stigma".

I believe that it is simply the collective jealously of old women and betas and our feminist culture gives them power.

I will not give power to their delusions and attempts to redefine nature.

I give them no power over my life.

Quote: (08-10-2013 03:39 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

some people have a problem dealing with it.

Some guys have a problem dealing with the delusional theories of old women and betas???

They should ignore crazy people.

Maybe there is a "stigma"? I honestly don't know? I don't care.

It doesn't exist in my worldview. I will approach multiple 18yo girls today.

Yes, I am one ignorant bastard!

Ignorant to the views of betas and cat ladies!

Why acknowledge them? Why give them power?

Better to bang young girls happily and let the haters hate.

Guys who are afraid of this "stigma" should take my advice -- Ignore it.

What other choice do they have? Let the feminists win? Stop pursuing young girls?

If you stop chasing young girls because of feminism then you are a coward who doesn't deserve young girls.

Control your mind or others will control it for you.

*****

Also, "stigmas" are just like "concepts" and "ideologies".

They are not tangible things. They only exist in peoples minds.

I remember once, Michael Jordan was asked his thoughts about racism.

He said, "I don't know, I have never experienced it".

That's how I feel about this. I can't say its real because I have never experienced it.