This post is some what a continuation of this : http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25823.html

I just want to share with people my current experience/thoughts about Medellin. I like to go out and game in Medellin, but don't know that many people, and I don't know anyone with tight game. Problem is that if you are a foreigner you are almost useless as a wing man and it is almost impossible to get laid with quaility girls. I think many foreigners are disillusioned with the situation in Medellin. Foreigners can pretty much date gold diggers, girls that want to go to leave colombia and lower class girls. I'll to explain this below with examples.

I'm mostly interested in dating top quality girls that come from upper middle class families. Most these girls meet guys from friends of friends, social circles. To date them takes lots of game (they have many options, need to know some Spanish so they can understand your game) and patience because they don't put out easily. For most foreigners this isn't a practical goal. They don't know the language, don't know the culture (detrimental to your game), or don't have the time scale.

The top quality girls you meet by getting introduced if you are the lucky or by being ballsy and having crazy game. These girls are at forma (a gym chain), malls, dance classes (confama), clubs in Rio Sur, Lleras, La Strada, Las Palmas.

Example:

I was en Las Palmas at a club called Deja Vu. It was me and my cousin, we go in walk around, everyone is at tables (not like in america where people go to the bar and order, here you sit/stand at table and they bring you what you order), all groups have atleast 1 guy, and that guy won't be happy if you start gaming the girls he is buying drinks for. I split from my cousin cause two dudes walking around or sitting at a table is useless. I see a girl alone on her cellphone, I approach instantly. She notices I have a slight accent and doesn't like that I am a foreigner, says where are you from, when are you leaving, i give standard replies. I talk to her for like 10 more minutes to try and build a connection and leave. In those 10 minutes a guy friend of hers came and tried to cockblock, but she got rid of him for me. I text her and invite her to "a restaurant my friend owns that I haven't gone to", she agrees. I call her to go pick her up at the time we agreed she ignores my calls and texts. This isn't a straight rejection or insult like it would be in America this is normal for a Colombia girl to do.



If you are looking to pick up and bang as quickly as possible then you are going to have to deal with girls that are not gold diggers but are not dealing with a broke niggah. This means dress well, get the latest cell phone, and play the numbers game. Or you can go for lower class girls (which is what most foreign guys do) many are gorgeous. Generally I go to Bello for those girls but also en la 33 Imperium is a good club to pikcup. There is a similiar place en la 70. These clubs on thursday and sundays girls that show up alone get free drinks. Easy to find a 3-set, if you look normal and dress decent, you ask them to dance they will say yes. The other option is Internet. In El Lleras I see 40 year white guys with really young, sometimes beautiful girls and I think how did that guy pull that. Answer the Internet. Many of these girls have never ate at the expensive places in el Lleras.

If you are resorting to those girls you might as well pay for it. These girls are not going to fall in love with you, you are not going to date them seriously, why lie to yourself. Just pay for it. In el centro it costs about 30-40 dollars. The hottest girls en La Isla or Fase 2 cost about 80-100 dollars. There are also many house where you walk in girls come out 1 by 1 and introduce themselves and and you pick the one you to bang. Worh it, hassle free and fun.


Example:

I go to imperium on a thursday with my cousin and two of his friends. We show up late around 11:30, by this time girls are running out of their free drinks. We get a table next to a 3-set. We sit drink then my cousin asks a girl to dance, she says yes they grind for a bit. I ask her friend to dance she says yes. We don't say anythign else to these girls (that would be try hard), in colombia body language and image is everything, we are dressed better than anyone in that club because we are from a higher social class and these girls can see it. We ask girls from a different table to dance they say yes. Sit drink more. I get up and sit next to the girl I was dancing with which was hot. I run standard game get her number. She leaves. We stay and dance with a bunch of more girls. Closing time we are about to leave a drunk girl walks by me and locks eyes with me I say hi, she says hi and gives me a hug. I say, are we going to go to an after party or what, she says okay where. I look at my cousin and ask where is the after party he says I don't know (lame). I ask her where she lives she says Bello, she grabs my dick. I say lets go for a ride in my car. She says wait for my friend. Her friend is hotter but surrounded by like 4 guys. My cousin whispers in my ear, these girls are wayy to slutty let us bounce. We leave.

"impossible"

Quote: (07-17-2013 12:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

"impossible"

I said, almost impossible

Here is a guy who studied Spanish, stayed in colombia for a long time, had an apartment, and a shit load of experience gaming girls. What does Roosh tells us in his book, he bagged low quaility girls, who live in remote areas of the city, girls with braces etc.

imagine the average foreign guy.

Time to step up your game buddy.

Quote: (07-17-2013 12:08 PM)lfmunoz4 Wrote:  

I said, almost impossible

Impossible sounds actually a bit excessive, but I tend to agree with you. I just said it in another thread, the best girls in South America (usually those from white upper-class social circles) have already dozens of wealthy (and sometimes even outrageously wealthy) and good-looking young locals at their feet begging to please them - with who they share the same culture, the same language and the same interests. For those girls, a gringo on a two or three weeks sex-vacations is nothing of value. I'm talking about the Top 20% girls, those who are "trophy GF's" for the local guys, and who already have access to the best their society has to offer ..... those girls have no reason to fuck a "never to be seen again after his three weeks holidays are over" foreigner. Also they don't want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo, they may see this as a loss of status if the local "eligible" guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.

This is IMO the huge difference with FSU, where dyevuski, and especially the most learned and worldly, have usually very little esteem for their countrymen and jump on any occasion to fuck a foreigner who would tick all the boxes. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do with, not something they particularly enjoy. Sure, many are also "off limits" for most of us, but however, scoring a High Value Target is from my experience much easier in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan, ect, than in Brasil (never been in Colombia, but from what I know, situation is the same, especially in Medellin). This is IMO especially true in Rio, where a sex-hungry gringo is more or less considered like a cockroach by the local upper-class girls.

Of course, if you are a good-looking, culturally aware and wealthy foreigner living locally or visiting repeatedly, things are different.

Roosh's "impossible" response included a gif with a guy laughing malevolently. It was not meant to be taken seriously.

I'll dissect this as best I can.

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I like to go out and game in Medellin, but don't know that many people, and I don't know anyone with tight game.

Colombians are some of the most friendly people on earth. If you don't know many and can't make friends, then use this as an opportunity to step up and be a more fun outgoing engaging and social guy - language barrier be damned!

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I'm mostly interested in dating top quality girls that come from upper middle class families. Most these girls meet guys from friends of friends, social circles. To date them takes lots of game (they have many options, need to know some Spanish so they can understand your game) and patience because they don't put out easily. For most foreigners this isn't a practical goal. They don't know the language, don't know the culture (detrimental to your game), or don't have the time scale.

To date them requires that you approach them where you see them. If you feel you need to know Spanish, then learn some. After all, you are in Colombia! If you think the language thing holds you back, then it will. Try using just what you have, believing it will work, and see what happens. Report back after you've approached 100 girls.

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I was en Las Palmas at a club called Deja Vu. It was me and my cousin, we go in walk around, everyone is at tables (not like in america where people go to the bar and order, here you sit/stand at table and they bring you what you order), all groups have atleast 1 guy, and that guy won't be happy if you start gaming the girls he is buying drinks for. I split from my cousin cause two dudes walking around or sitting at a table is useless. I see a girl alone on her cellphone, I approach instantly. She notices I have a slight accent and doesn't like that I am a foreigner, says where are you from, when are you leaving, i give standard replies. I talk to her for like 10 more minutes to try and build a connection and leave. In those 10 minutes a guy friend of hers came and tried to cockblock, but she got rid of him for me. I text her and invite her to "a restaurant my friend owns that I haven't gone to", she agrees. I call her to go pick her up at the time we agreed she ignores my calls and texts. This isn't a straight rejection or insult like it would be in America this is normal for a Colombia girl to do.

Don't get hung up on 1 girl or 1 interaction. I have hundreds of these stories. Sometimes things will work, sometimes they won't. Don't stop trying. This one didn't like your vibe. There are ones who will.

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We don't say anythign else to these girls (that would be try hard), in colombia body language and image is everything, we are dressed better than anyone in that club because we are from a higher social class and these girls can see it. We ask girls from a different table to dance they say yes. Sit drink more. I get up and sit next to the girl I was dancing with which was hot. I run standard game get her number. She leaves. We stay and dance with a bunch of more girls. Closing time we are about to leave a drunk girl walks by me and locks eyes with me I say hi, she says hi and gives me a hug. I say, are we going to go to an after party or what, she says okay where. I look at my cousin and ask where is the after party he says I don't know (lame). I ask her where she lives she says Bello, she grabs my dick. I say lets go for a ride in my car. She says wait for my friend. Her friend is hotter but surrounded by like 4 guys. My cousin whispers in my ear, these girls are wayy to slutty let us bounce. We leave.

How the hell do you get these girls if you don't engage them. You may think that body language and image is everything in Colombia, whatever that means. You're getting sucked into the matrix thinking. I'd rather be fun, engaging, and social instead of looking cool in my nice clothing. I remember a moment in Cali where dressed in my baseball cap, t-shirt, $20 jeans, and sneakers (I enjoy playing on hard difficulty) I was clawing these 2 girls while yelling in English. There were many well dressed Colombians looking on in awe. And that drunk girl you let get away - where's the closer mentality? Persist to the very end. What do you think this is? Catch and release fishing? I have nothing against going out to dance - I do it all the time. But you seem to have the goal of getting laid - so make it happen! You're going to have to learn to deal with this stuff - it's messy out there in the field, and you have be used to constantly shifting logistics and many variables. To let a girl go that showed such obvious intent because of a very tiny obstacle tells me that under more difficult circumstances, you will have no chance. Persist to the very end.

There are so many game lessons to be learned. Keep practicing.

I can actually agree with a lot of the OP's comments on Medellin. Colombia is not the easiest place, but with decent spanish, effort/fun attitude and approaches one can get far. I keep saying it time and time again.....Medellin is overplayed and the gringo novelty factor is long gone, for me it's a fun weekend party town..... I think there are better places in Colombia for a traveller to get better results ....especially for the guy on a 2 week holiday that is not into paying for prepagos. If P4P is your thing than Medellin is your spot.

Quote: (07-17-2013 01:18 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

Impossible sounds actually a bit excessive, but I tend to agree with you. I just said it in another thread, the best girls in South America (usually those from white upper-class social circles) have already dozens of wealthy (and sometimes even outrageously wealthy) and good-looking young locals at their feet begging to please them - with who they share the same culture, the same language and the same interests. For those girls, a gringo on a two or three weeks sex-vacations is nothing of value. I'm talking about the Top 20% girls, those who are "trophy GF's" for the local guys, and who already have access to the best their society has to offer ..... those girls have no reason to fuck a "never to be seen again after his three weeks holidays are over" foreigner. Also they don't want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo, they may see this as a loss of status if the local "eligible" guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.

This is IMO the huge difference with FSU, where dyevuski, and especially the most learned and worldly, have usually very little esteem for their countrymen and jump on any occasion to fuck a foreigner who would tick all the boxes. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do with, not something they particularly enjoy. Sure, many are also "off limits" for most of us, but however, scoring a High Value Target is from my experience much easier in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan, ect, than in Brasil (never been in Colombia, but from what I know, situation is the same, especially in Medellin). This is IMO especially true in Rio, where a sex-hungry gringo is more or less considered like a cockroach by the local upper-class girls.

Of course, if you are a good-looking, culturally aware and wealthy foreigner living locally or visiting repeatedly, things are different.

All excellent points Prosal. There are ways to offset those limitations of getting access to the big shots in Brazil or Latin America. From my experiences in Brazil, I will say this:

1) Stay Longer - More days you stay in say a city of your liking, the better your odds. This is a lot easier said than done for those with time restrictions like myself.

2) Social Proof - With guys or gals, this is a good way to go as they will introduce you to their circles or cliques. Yes keep your eye on the prize and game for sex if an opportunity presents itself because you never know when a gal might proactively show interest in you. At least in BR however, you almost have to game for friends & peer support too. I experienced this in say certain bars where girls "had more incentive" to talk to me while I was already "building up trust" with locals opposed to me just drinking alone in a corner or going caveman style.

3) Learn the language(s) - Probably the best or only way to tap into social circles. In Latin America, there is only Spanish or Portuguese to worry about. In other continents like Asia or Europe, focusing your energies on all the different languages effectively wouldn't be as feasible.

4) Have fun and know how to dance - When going out at night, you're likely going to have more fun and bring more positive attention to yourself if in a place with music or a vibe to your liking. In my case, I prefer to avoid Sertanejo, but I get stuck in them if picking one by accident due to already paying cover, haha.

Agree with all of the above ....except about Sertaneja, I kind of like it ....after a few (in fact more than a few) cervejas - if you go to Goiania BTW, you'll have to get used to it !!

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Too bad the OP got banned. He wrote a detailed report. He even named clubs, areas and nights to go out.

I can tell you that all of it rings true. The description of how he hit on girls, where it led. Guys used to USA game won't understand why he did things a certain way or made certain decisions. This could have been an opportunity to learn.

Quote: (07-17-2013 01:21 PM)StarcraftGG Wrote:  

And that drunk girl you let get away - where's the closer mentality? Persist to the very end. What do you think this is? Catch and release fishing? I have nothing against going out to dance - I do it all the time. But you seem to have the goal of getting laid - so make it happen! You're going to have to learn to deal with this stuff - it's messy out there in the field, and you have be used to constantly shifting logistics and many variables. To let a girl go that showed such obvious intent because of a very tiny obstacle tells me that under more difficult circumstances, you will have no chance. Persist to the very end.

There are so many game lessons to be learned. Keep practicing.

OK, so break it down for us. It's 2.45am in Medellin on a Thursday night. You have a drunk, slutty girl who you've known for 30 seconds and your wing has nothing.

Where do you go next? How much do you invest in this girl? What are the chances she shuts you out? Vomits in your car? Fucks and then hits you up for money afterwards? If her female friend wants to come too and bring a random guy, do you allow it?

Tell me exactly your game plan for closing this girl.

Definitely no on the random guy scenario. No vagina is worth the kind of trouble this scenario would create.

Quote: (07-17-2013 06:04 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

Too bad the OP got banned. He wrote a detailed report. He even named clubs, areas and nights to go out.

I can tell you that all of it rings true. The description of how he hit on girls, where it led. Guys used to USA game won't understand why he did things a certain way or made certain decisions. This could have been an opportunity to learn.

Quote: (07-17-2013 01:21 PM)StarcraftGG Wrote:  

And that drunk girl you let get away - where's the closer mentality? Persist to the very end. What do you think this is? Catch and release fishing? I have nothing against going out to dance - I do it all the time. But you seem to have the goal of getting laid - so make it happen! You're going to have to learn to deal with this stuff - it's messy out there in the field, and you have be used to constantly shifting logistics and many variables. To let a girl go that showed such obvious intent because of a very tiny obstacle tells me that under more difficult circumstances, you will have no chance. Persist to the very end.

There are so many game lessons to be learned. Keep practicing.

OK, so break it down for us. It's 2.45am in Medellin on a Thursday night. You have a drunk, slutty girl who you've known for 30 seconds and your wing has nothing.

Where do you go next? How much do you invest in this girl? What are the chances she shuts you out? Vomits in your car? Fucks and then hits you up for money afterwards? If her female friend wants to come too and bring a random guy, do you allow it?

Tell me exactly your game plan for closing this girl.

Sure I can break it down for you. This is what I would have done. It's 2:45am in Medellin on a Thursday night. I have a car. Where the OP bailed out after assessing the situation, I would have done the following:

1. I would have put my arm around the girl's shoulder and said something like: Permitame presentarte a mi amigo (insert name). Tengo hambre. vamos a comer. Traiga tu amiga.

In the event I had less Spanish skills, I would have said it in English, or introduced her to the cousin (language skills unknown), played with her physically, anything to keep the interaction going.

That is the only step I am in control of. What happens after that is completely hypothetical and unknowable cause it didn't happen. The only thing I am suggesting is that it was possible to further the interaction - it was wide open where this could lead and by no means impossible requiring a bailout.

2. Another option would have been to wait for the girl's friend like she asked, see where the interaction is going, and re-assess as needed, and go from there. Her friend is surrounded by 4 guys. What do I know about these guys? Absolutely nothing. Is there a possibility that in the next 20 seconds my girl's friend leaves the 4 guys to join with her girlfriend, me, and my cousin? Sure... this is normal part of club chaos - people moving to and fro.

How much do I invest in this girl? - Not much at all, only my time, which I think is worth it considering I've spent all evening out trying to get laid already. Another few minutes to see where this could go doesn't hurt one bit.

What are the chances she shuts you out? - Completely unknown. I know that at this moment, she has not shut me out, and we've had physical sexual contact. That's more than enough for me to work. With the reference experiences I've had, this situation is a very good one to be in. I've pulled off bangs that I thought were impossible until I persisted till the very end and closed the deal. I was able to do it because I was willing to give it a try and push the interaction as far as possible.

Vomits in my car - completely unknown. She can vomit, or not vomit. Since I've never had a girl vomit in my car before, I'll take my chances. Why are you even concerned about this? I definitely don't think this way and if I did, I would think about it the next day and make a mental note to stop because I am making mental excuses to bail and fail.

Fucks and then hits you up for money afterwards? - again, completely unknown. But this is not something I will think about or address until after I've fucked her and it actually comes up, because it will not be a problem until then. Is this something you think about with every girl you approach? I certainly don't think this way.

If her female friend wants to come too and bring a random guy, do you allow it? Nope. I tell her to bring only her friend. If it's just the 2 girls, the interaction continues. If the guy is in the picture for sure, then I walk away. But again, the OP didn't continue the interaction, so it's impossible to know whether this would have happened.

Quote: (07-17-2013 07:09 PM)StarcraftGG Wrote:  

Is this something you think about with every girl you approach? I certainly don't think this way.

Yes, this is something I think about with every girl that has no friends in common with me. As a guy on the ground in Colombia, you should at least keep it in the back of your mind.

All Colombians think this way. The person who has no ties to you suffers no consequences if they rip you off. So they are high risk to rip you off.

When I say rip you off, it could be any of a variety of things. Benign theft; waking up in hospital drugged; getting extorted for money, or other possibilities.

Ask five Colombians and I bet they will do the same as the OP and his cousin did. Or at least, they will understand why he did it.

Let's assume this girl is a 6. It's easy to catch and release a 6 when you already have a slampiece who's a 7.5, or a soft harem full of sugar baby 8's. OP's cousin probably has that, so it's no big deal to let this 6 go.

Even easier if you've seen her kissing some other guy 10 minutes previously, which is pretty likely in a Medellin rumba. You just don't know what the cousin saw that made it easy to walk away, but obviously he had a good reason.

Colombia is not an SNL culture unless it's a prepago situation. It happens occasionally, but not often. Let's say there's a 15% chance of getting SNL from that situation, and there'll probably be some drama involved that you'd rather just avoid.

Most likely, the girl will just hit you up for food, and then for a ride home. You get a phone number that you can't even be bothered using. You could get the lay but it wouldn't even be worth the investment of time and money on your part.

If you want SNL, you'll have to spring for a motel since taking her back to your place would be a rookie mistake. See the end of Slubu's Medellin report for an example of that.

The goal of the OP's night is to pipeline quality new girls for LTR. He knows this girl doesn't make the cut, so they bounce.

Your goals may be different, and you may be new to Colombia. So you run out the scenario as far as it can go. Once you've run out these scenarios enough times, you get a feel for the average return and whether it's worth doing or not.

In this story, OP's cousin (who surely has more experience than you in Medellin) decided it wasn't worth doing.

I like girls with braces.

There are a lot of girls with braces in Colombia. They seem to get them when they're in their 20s instead of when they're young.

As far as what Tigre is saying, the man knows what he's talking about. He's been in Colombia a long time and speaks fluent Spanish (along with a few other languages). He doesn't post a ton so maybe some of you don't think he has cred, but I can guarantee he is one of our most seasoned Colombian vets. I met the dude in Medellin and he's a legit guy who seemed to really know the ropes down there. I didn't exactly see this down there, but I was only there a month. He's been there years. I trust his evaluation better than my own. It's hard to see what's really going on in a place after only living there a month.

Quote: (07-18-2013 12:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I like girls with braces.

ha ah me too! But unfortunately one of mine just had hers removed

Quote: (07-17-2013 06:04 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

Too bad the OP got banned. He wrote a detailed report. He even named clubs, areas and nights to go out.

I can tell you that all of it rings true. The description of how he hit on girls, where it led. Guys used to USA game won't understand why he did things a certain way or made certain decisions. This could have been an opportunity to learn.

I think he was banned because he came across as a pretty big dick in this thread, saying he'd only meet up with someone if they were under 35, rich or funny as hell then he made condescending remarks about Roosh's experience in Medellin, what did he expect? I don't know about you guys, but I'll meet up with pretty much anyone, regardless of game level, wealth or age, if the guy is an idiot then I'll ditch him but in my experience, 90% of RVF members I've met are cool and some are really good friends of mine now.

He did make some valid points and I also found Medellin (as well as the Caribbean coast) to be harder game wise than both Bogota and Cali. I'm planning on going back to Colombia this coming winter for a few months but can't decide which city I'd like to spend most of my time in, its a tough call. I like Bogota but the weather sucks and the pollution is bad, Medellin has great weather but the Paisas can be a pain in the ass, Cali has the best women for me but I could see myself getting bored after a couple of weeks and there's no way I'm going back to the coast unless its a week to go diving in Taganga and I still have to check out Tayrona.

^ don't get how he has "the best places to go on every night" but then has a thread dedicated to it being impossible? That was the confusing part to me.

Scotian not sure if I asked you this but what's the diff btwn bogota and Cali? In your opinion. (Yeah thread high jacking but the dude is gone).

Quote: (07-18-2013 08:11 AM)scotian Wrote:  

He did make some valid points and I also found Medellin (as well as the Caribbean coast) to be harder game wise than both Bogota and Cali. I'm planning on going back to Colombia this coming winter for a few months but can't decide which city I'd like to spend most of my time in, its a tough call. I like Bogota but the weather sucks and the pollution is bad, Medellin has great weather but the Paisas can be a pain in the ass, Cali has the best women for me but I could see myself getting bored after a couple of weeks and there's no way I'm going back to the coast unless its a week to go diving in Taganga and I still have to check out Tayrona.

Yeah, that is my issue with Colombia (I haven't been everywhere there) but each place has big drawbacks.

I would go again for sure, but every time I think about it, I get over it.

I honestly think that maybe Cartagena might be the most livable because of the coast, but what's the point when there is Miami?

Hell, I would rather just post in Miami and wait for the Colombian girls to come.

Quote: (07-18-2013 12:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I like girls with braces.

I do not like getting bj's from girls with braces.. it can be dangerous

Quote: (07-18-2013 08:11 AM)scotian Wrote:  

I think he was banned because he came across as a pretty big dick in this thread, saying he'd only meet up with someone if they were under 35, rich or funny as hell then he made condescending remarks about Roosh's experience in Medellin, what did he expect? I don't know about you guys, but I'll meet up with pretty much anyone, regardless of game level, wealth or age, if the guy is an idiot then I'll ditch him but in my experience, 90% of RVF members I've met are cool and some are really good friends of mine now.

So what are your thoughts on that other 10%? Haha jk

Quote: (07-17-2013 11:20 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2013 07:09 PM)StarcraftGG Wrote:  

Is this something you think about with every girl you approach? I certainly don't think this way.

Yes, this is something I think about with every girl that has no friends in common with me. As a guy on the ground in Colombia, you should at least keep it in the back of your mind.

All Colombians think this way. The person who has no ties to you suffers no consequences if they rip you off. So they are high risk to rip you off.

When I say rip you off, it could be any of a variety of things. Benign theft; waking up in hospital drugged; getting extorted for money, or other possibilities.

Ask five Colombians and I bet they will do the same as the OP and his cousin did. Or at least, they will understand why he did it.

Let's assume this girl is a 6. It's easy to catch and release a 6 when you already have a slampiece who's a 7.5, or a soft harem full of sugar baby 8's. OP's cousin probably has that, so it's no big deal to let this 6 go.

Even easier if you've seen her kissing some other guy 10 minutes previously, which is pretty likely in a Medellin rumba. You just don't know what the cousin saw that made it easy to walk away, but obviously he had a good reason.

Colombia is not an SNL culture unless it's a prepago situation. It happens occasionally, but not often. Let's say there's a 15% chance of getting SNL from that situation, and there'll probably be some drama involved that you'd rather just avoid.

Most likely, the girl will just hit you up for food, and then for a ride home. You get a phone number that you can't even be bothered using. You could get the lay but it wouldn't even be worth the investment of time and money on your part.

If you want SNL, you'll have to spring for a motel since taking her back to your place would be a rookie mistake. See the end of Slubu's Medellin report for an example of that.

The goal of the OP's night is to pipeline quality new girls for LTR. He knows this girl doesn't make the cut, so they bounce.

Your goals may be different, and you may be new to Colombia. So you run out the scenario as far as it can go. Once you've run out these scenarios enough times, you get a feel for the average return and whether it's worth doing or not.

In this story, OP's cousin (who surely has more experience than you in Medellin) decided it wasn't worth doing.

I don't disagree with anything you've written. I didn't disagree with the OP either. I normally don't post but when I read the OP's post, the overall vibe gave me the feeling that the guy was being boxed in by his experience in Medellin, and his own response to those experiences. He said himself that his wingman was not good, that he didn't know many people with tight game, and that he didn't know many people in general. His post, which was his opinion on the overall situation in Medellin, had no enthusiasm.

All of this reminded me of when I was practicing hard and would analyze my interactions, and notice areas where I could improve which included: failing to push interactions to see how far they could go. Another thing I noticed from the lack of enthusiasm (maybe it's just his writing style), was the possibility of him being hindered by negative mindset, which I also had. And finally, another world opened up for me when I learned to go out, have fun, interact with and bring joy to everyone, and be social instead of going out just to "game" or "pickup."

So, my response was more a suggestion of other avenues to experiment with and other things that the OP could do differently if what he's currently doing is not making him happy and is not bringing him the results he wants (the 3/4 of my original response). It's pointless to debate the 1 interaction with the 1 girl anymore - it's a drop in the bucket of the hundreds or thousands of girls that a man will wind up interacting with.

Quote: (07-17-2013 01:18 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2013 12:08 PM)lfmunoz4 Wrote:  

I said, almost impossible

Impossible sounds actually a bit excessive, but I tend to agree with you. I just said it in another thread, the best girls in South America (usually those from white upper-class social circles) have already dozens of wealthy (and sometimes even outrageously wealthy) and good-looking young locals at their feet begging to please them - with who they share the same culture, the same language and the same interests. For those girls, a gringo on a two or three weeks sex-vacations is nothing of value. I'm talking about the Top 20% girls, those who are "trophy GF's" for the local guys, and who already have access to the best their society has to offer ..... those girls have no reason to fuck a "never to be seen again after his three weeks holidays are over" foreigner. Also they don't want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo, they may see this as a loss of status if the local "eligible" guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.

This is IMO the huge difference with FSU, where dyevuski, and especially the most learned and worldly, have usually very little esteem for their countrymen and jump on any occasion to fuck a foreigner who would tick all the boxes. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do with, not something they particularly enjoy. Sure, many are also "off limits" for most of us, but however, scoring a High Value Target is from my experience much easier in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan, ect, than in Brasil (never been in Colombia, but from what I know, situation is the same, especially in Medellin). This is IMO especially true in Rio, where a sex-hungry gringo is more or less considered like a cockroach by the local upper-class girls.

Of course, if you are a good-looking, culturally aware and wealthy foreigner living locally or visiting repeatedly, things are different.

Prosal, I have a question for you, what do you look like?

My guess is that you're a more tan skinned frenchman than a lighter skinned/blonde one. If you were the latter you would probably have a more positive view of Latin America, and seeing as you love Russia and eastern europe, you're probably more mediterranean in looks. Am I wrong?

It really seems like there are two types of white guys on the forum: the darker skinned/mediterranean types are eastern europe lovers, and the pale skinned whitebread types are all about Latin America.

Quote: (07-18-2013 08:16 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

Prosal, I have a question for you, what do you look like?

My guess is that you're a more tan skinned frenchman than a lighter skinned/blonde one. If you were the latter you would probably have a more positive view of Latin America, and seeing as you love Russia and eastern europe, you're probably more mediterranean in looks. Am I wrong?

It really seems like there are two types of white guys on the forum: the darker skinned/mediterranean types are eastern europe lovers, and the pale skinned whitebread types are all about Latin America.

You are right, I am a dark-haired, green-eyed and olive-skinned guy, which maybe isn't the best type to be successful in Latin America (that said, I've always had success with argentinas - curiously I've heard dozens of times from argentinas that I was the spitting image of Luis Miguel, which allowed me very lofty scores). Contrarily, and you are right on the money on this point, it seems that pale skinned blond guys are exactly the type that have success there. I took to Chisinau a friend of mine, a good-looking blond and pale-skinned guy who lives in Bogota and has literally a stable of hot girls there, and his trip to EE was a total failure. However, I think that Colombia (from what I heard, as I have never been there) is an hunting ground much easier than Brasil. Gringos in Brasil are most often a subject of distrust - and even sometimes of disdain- and are for the mid to upper class brasileiras absolutely nothing of value. Those girls are suckers about their own culture, love their men, and date in their peer group, sharing the same language, interests, status, culture, ect. Gringos are totally out of this loop. The FSU is often exacly the opposite. As I said, most girls/women there have very little esteem for their countrymen - which is splendid for us.

That said, as usual, your mileage may vary.