[VincentVinturi]

Both my friend and I met some very sexy girls in Medellín in my month long stay there without really any snags. This is both via club game and daygame. (We stayed in Poblado.)

Our joint experience was that Paisas appreciate a well groomed white guy, who is direct (very important) and charming and has some basic Spanish chops.

I used zero 'indirect game' there. Just well-contained but raw sexual intent.

Also, my buddy was taking a Spanish class at the University there, which was really cheap. And he got to use their excellent gym, not to mention there were hordes of hotties running around, two of whom he brought home. Also, OKCupid works pretty well there (his experience, I didn't bother with online in Colombia).

[Volk]

(07-21-2013 05:53 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

Where'd you move to volk?

Budapest! Of course

[Lika]

(07-21-2013 09:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on your 3 month stint in Cali and why you wouldn't go back there? I'm considering going there next winter so any info would be appreciated.

OK.
I was staying in a cheap and comfortable hotel in Granada with good (Italian) food so I didn't even bother to look for a flat there (which is by the way much more difficult to find than in Medellin).

I stayed mainly for the climate and because I always had new girls numbers to work on. Petite girls are kind of round and have huge (fake) asses and boobs.

Cali to me is just very superficial and hollow.

The main problem is that they are very provincial. I just didn't meet one interesting girl there after 3 months and they are extremely flaky as well (not as much as in Medellin though). There are much less independent well traveled girls than in Bogotá and the ones who are are much more snobish and closed to foreigners. The nightlife is almost entirely aimed at couples. Girls do not go to clubs unaccompanied. Salsa nights with couchsurfing are pretty good but no high quality girls.

If you're a white guy and likes black girls, you will get them very easily in Cali.

In 10 days in Bogotá, I had a much better social circle than after 3 months in Cali.
The only thing that kept me from going back to Bogotá was the price of the lodging and the climate. I paid like 100 USD a night for a good apartment in Bogotá and I was freezing my ass of at night (huge windows not well isolated). The secret to this town is to have an electrical heater in the bedroom and one in the bathroom...

On the picture, typical Cali girls in Chipi Chape mall (great mall with wifi) who wish they were Swedish...

[scotian]

(07-23-2013 05:54 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(07-21-2013 09:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on your 3 month stint in Cali and why you wouldn't go back there? I'm considering going there next winter so any info would be appreciated.

OK.
I was staying in a cheap and comfortable hotel in Granada with good (Italian) food so I didn't even bother to look for a flat there (which is by the way much more difficult to find than in Medellin).

I stayed mainly for the climate and because I always had new girls numbers to work on. Petite girls are kind of round and have huge (fake) asses and boobs.

Cali to me is just very superficial and hollow.

The main problem is that they are very provincial. I just didn't meet one interesting girl there after 3 months and they are extremely flaky as well (not as much as in Medellin though). There are much less independent well traveled girls than in Bogotá and the ones who are are much more snobish and closed to foreigners. The nightlife is almost entirely aimed at couples. Girls do not go to clubs unaccompanied. Salsa nights with couchsurfing are pretty good but no high quality girls.

If you're a white guy and likes black girls, you will get them very easily in Cali.

In 10 days in Bogotá, I had a much better social circle than after 3 months in Cali.
The only thing that kept me from going back to Bogotá was the price of the lodging and the climate. I paid like 100 USD a night for a good apartment in Bogotá and I was freezing my ass of at night (huge windows not well isolated). The secret to this town is to have an electrical heater in the bedroom and one in the bathroom...

On the picture, typical Cali girls in Chipi Chape mall (great mall with wifi) who wish they were Swedish...

I agree with you about the differences between Cali and Bogota, that's why I"m still on the fence about where I"m going spend most of my time when I go back to Colombia. So what did you do in Cali, where did you spend most of your time, any tips for night life?

When I was there, I stayed right next to Chipichape mall for a week and partied a few times in Menga, then I relocated over to San Antonio which was a nice spot but a bit over run with backpackers. I partied in Parque del Perro one night and that seemed like a cool spot to check out again, I wasn't too crazy over Menga but it was a decent spot to take a girl out to drink and dance. I didn't end up partying in la Sexta as my trusted buddy Wedo told me its a bit sketchy there and I trust his word, we did hang out a few times in Grenada at that high end hotel bar with the restaurant on top, a bit over priced and Grenada didn't seem like it was all that great to party until the wee hours.

I didn't make it down to the south side of Cali but apparently there's a nice mall there and some decent night life, did you end up there at all?

[InternationPlayboy]

(07-21-2013 03:31 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(07-20-2013 03:44 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

In defense of the nightlife argument, Colombia has to be one of the easiest places around to day game. At least in Medellin.

That's not my experience at all. Medellin was the worst place for me in Colombia (I got numbers but very few solid ones) and Colombia as a whole is not so easy to day game, even compared to Europe for me (and I'm a tall good looking young blond guy and my Spanish is good). In fact, internet game in Colombia was the easiest for me, especially in Medellin.

I literally can't recall one time that a friend of mine or I didn't get a number from a girl we approached during the day, and we had to have approached 50+ women. Even my roommate who was the strangest son of a bitch I've ever met, never got denied a number from what I can recall. If that guy had no problems, you really need to step up your game.

[InternationPlayboy]

My best advice to break away from being just another gringo: submerge yourself in the culture, make lots of local friends, and know the language. In brazil this is what I did and it made it so much easier to meet quality local girls. In Colombia i wasn't so lucky and it made it more difficult as a result.

[Volk]

(07-24-2013 03:08 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

My best advice to break away from being just another gringo: submerge yourself in the culture, make lots of local friends, and know the language. In brazil this is what I did and it made it so much easier to meet quality local girls. In Colombia i wasn't so lucky and it made it more difficult as a result.

Golden. Sorry guys, this is the truth. Gringos are seen as desperate cancer for the best girls in Lleras, Rio Sur and even Barrio Colombia. Break out, find Colombians, and you will be swimming in pussy, literally. The pocahonta girls love pastries and they will be fat in 3 months.

[WEDO]

(07-23-2013 05:54 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(07-21-2013 09:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on your 3 month stint in Cali and why you wouldn't go back there? I'm considering going there next winter so any info would be appreciated.

OK.
I was staying in a cheap and comfortable hotel in Granada with good (Italian) food so I didn't even bother to look for a flat there (which is by the way much more difficult to find than in Medellin).

I stayed mainly for the climate and because I always had new girls numbers to work on. Petite girls are kind of round and have huge (fake) asses and boobs.

Cali to me is just very superficial and hollow.

The main problem is that they are very provincial. I just didn't meet one interesting girl there after 3 months and they are extremely flaky as well (not as much as in Medellin though). There are much less independent well traveled girls than in Bogotá and the ones who are are much more snobish and closed to foreigners. The nightlife is almost entirely aimed at couples. Girls do not go to clubs unaccompanied. Salsa nights with couchsurfing are pretty good but no high quality girls.

If you're a white guy and likes black girls, you will get them very easily in Cali.

In 10 days in Bogotá, I had a much better social circle than after 3 months in Cali.
The only thing that kept me from going back to Bogotá was the price of the lodging and the climate. I paid like 100 USD a night for a good apartment in Bogotá and I was freezing my ass of at night (huge windows not well isolated). The secret to this town is to have an electrical heater in the bedroom and one in the bathroom...

On the picture, typical Cali girls in Chipi Chape mall (great mall with wifi) who wish they were Swedish...

https://www.airbnb.com/users/show/842535

Profile of a guy I met in Medellin that has more pussy than he could ever do in just one lifetime. jajaja

In fact all the guys that stay in his penthouse seem to have an easy time getting laid in Medellin on a regular basis.

I'm starting to think that Colombia just has to steep a learning curve for some guys and that maybe a should start renting rooms out to guys that are new to Colombia also.

What could be a better motivator than watching your roommates banging hot chicks everyday.... especially if they are in their early 50's.

[scotian]

(07-24-2013 07:41 PM)Volk Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 03:08 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

My best advice to break away from being just another gringo: submerge yourself in the culture, make lots of local friends, and know the language. In brazil this is what I did and it made it so much easier to meet quality local girls. In Colombia i wasn't so lucky and it made it more difficult as a result.

Golden. Sorry guys, this is the truth. Gringos are seen as desperate cancer for the best girls in Lleras, Rio Sur and even Barrio Colombia. Break out, find Colombians, and you will be swimming in pussy, literally. The pocahonta girls love pastries and they will be fat in 3 months.

Fuck pastries, I feed the chichas Pony for breakfast to fatten em up!

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[thegmanifesto]

(07-24-2013 01:47 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I literally can't recall one time that a friend of mine or I didn't get a number from a girl we approached during the day, and we had to have approached 50+ women. Even my roommate who was the strangest son of a bitch I've ever met, never got denied a number from what I can recall. If that guy had no problems, you really need to step up your game.

It is kind of funny how Medellin was really easy in your experience and Miami you say was really hard.

I wouldn't call Miami easy, but I find it easier than Colombia. I would even go as far to say it is easier for Colombian girls.

That just goes to show there can be a wide variation on what we all experience in these places.

[Lika]

(07-24-2013 07:41 PM)Volk Wrote:  

Gringos are seen as desperate cancer for the best girls in Lleras, Rio Sur and even Barrio Colombia

(07-24-2013 01:47 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

Even my roommate who was the strangest son of a bitch I've ever met, never got denied a number from what I can recall

Interesting contrast...

I wonder what kind of girls your roommate was banging, not which ones gave their numbers. I had tons of numbers too... but then the flaking was unreal. I still managed to bang some beautiful girls but I went through so much shit that I was glad to leave this overrated town.

(07-24-2013 01:47 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

If that guy had no problems, you really need to step up your game.

I have about 30 countries to compare to so I don't think my game was the main problem there. Even Bogotá was 20 times better than Medellin for me.

Of course If you live in Medellin, own property around the country, have social circles and you're a blond gringo, you will have plenty good girls but I wouldn't be interested in doing that. Paisa girls, on average, are so stupid and full of shit. I can't stand their "hot potatoes in the mouth" accent. Paisas in general are full of themselves and the only thing they repeat like a mantra all day long is: Medellin is the best (they never travelled anywhere else usually, except to Bogotá that they absolutely hate)

+ I went pretty much everywhere for day game in Medellin and I couldn't find any good place for it. This city is weird without interesting public places or soul. The only good place for gaming if you have a good wing is Parque Lleras at night, in my opinion

[Prosal]

(07-25-2013 02:00 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Paisa girls, on average, are so stupid and full of shit. I can't stand their "hot potatoes in the mouth" accent. Paisas in general are full of themselves and the only thing they repeat like a mantra all day long is: Medellin is the best (they never travelled anywhere else usually, except to Bogotá that they absolutely hate)

Also it seems that finding a paisa (or more widely, a colombiana for that matter) without siliconed boobs, lipoplastry, rhinoplastry, ect is nearly impossible. Obviously, many guys here don't care but I guess that it's nonetheless a huge turn-off for some others. Personally, natural beauty is what turns my crank, that is why I'll stick to FSU.

Those Cali gorgones on your pic are disgusting

[Lika]

(07-24-2013 10:41 AM)scotian Wrote:  

I agree with you about the differences between Cali and Bogota, that's why I"m still on the fence about where I"m going spend most of my time when I go back to Colombia. So what did you do in Cali, where did you spend most of your time, any tips for night life?

I wrote my answer in a Cali thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1999-page-6.html

[Tully Mars]

It is a no brainer for me...Bogota in my humble opinion is the best of the 3 major cities. (Medellin, Cali & Bogota) You just have way more options in a city of 8 million people, full of nightlife, art, music, over 100 colleges and Universities, chicas coming and going daily from every city and pueblo in Colombia, not to mention cuisine from all over the world. Yeah pollution and weather are the negatives, but I would be bored beyond bored in any other city after a week....for instance this weekend I am taking a $115 flight into Medellin for the wknd...party my ass off with friends, enjoy the beauty of the place, then get the fuck out!!! To each there own, but I love that Bogota gets second or third billing amongst expats/travellers......

[WEDO]

https://www.facebook.com/cadvorak/photos_albums

Old timer in Medellin that likes to dress up what he does and then take pics of them. Somewhat enlightening if you can get past the pics of him in his underwear. jajaja

[arafat scarf]

Colombia's easy if you're white, if you speak Spanish, AND if you can dance salsa & reggaeton. Dancing is a huge part of the courtship ritual here and you'd be better off having advanced dancing skills and average Spanish than the other way around.

Bogota's a tough city to live in but I love it.

It's not for everyone and if you can't get quality at home you probably won't get it here either.

[WEDO]

(07-25-2013 05:39 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

Colombia's easy if you're white, if you speak Spanish, AND if you can dance salsa & reggaeton. Dancing is a huge part of the courtship ritual here and you'd be better off having advanced dancing skills and average Spanish than the other way around.

Bogota's a tough city to live in but I love it.

It's not for everyone and if you can't get quality at home you probably won't get it here either.

This tread is proof why older guys get more chicks in Colombia than younger guys....they try harder.....and the difference between some money and no money.

Recently shared an apartment with a guy that is 15 years my junior and better looking than me....he literally got laid half as much as me.

One night when I was getting ready to go out....I asked him when his date was going to show....he says she isn't coming.....I say why not....he says she wants me to pay the taxis....I say "so"...he says well she lives in the south and it is 20 mill....I say "so"....he says well thats another 20 mill to get her home.

The guy didn't want to pay what amounts to 20 dollars to have a girl come over and bang his brains out. Must be nice to be young and .....

Only thing I wish for is that I was 20 years younger and knew what I know now about Colombia.

[WestCoast]

^my god post of the day times 90000x

You already know my plan, we only met briefly but god damn inspired to get that F-you money in the next few years.

Also looking young is a negative in Colombia btw, if you look young like me (I look 21) just go and bang 18 year olds over in lower end clubs.

The hot ones want an established man from what I saw. So if you want high quality get your cash flow set and move along.

I wasn't in Colombia long but guys just don't "get it". You use money to get her out and party all the time. If you are the source of cash flow lots of girls will want to go out with you simply to party. Even if you don't bang all of them, word will get around that you're doing okay and you're a "good guy to know" then just funnel it along.

I am no expert but I can see how things work. You guys should take notes from Wedo.

Actually @wedo what would you do knowing your knowledge 20 years ago? Assuming you could go back in time.

[arafat scarf]

Since experience varies by profile here's a bit about me: late 20's, white, upper intermediate Spanish, average looking, well dressed, alright dancer- better than most Colombians but not Fred Astaire. I live in the historical center which is considered either middle class, cool, or dangerous depending on the kind of chick I'm talking to. My money situation is decent but not baller- I can afford to pay for a girl's drinks on a night out, taxis and that shit, but I'm not fine dining and ordering bottles for the group or anything. Not being cheap (tacaño) is crucial in my experience.

I also neglected to mention that I only chase 7's and the occasional 8 from estratos 4 & 5. The 6's and sometimes 7's will find me, very little chasing required. I enjoy fucking an enthusiastic 6 or 7 who doesn't make me work so that is usually what I get but sometimes I can get more.

Also my personality is introverted and I like the sweet-n'-shy girls. Frankly I don't have the wealth, the desire, nor the stones to pull the super hot ones.

For what it's all worth.

[WEDO]

(07-25-2013 06:11 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Actually @wedo what would you do knowing your knowledge 20 years ago? Assuming you could go back in time.

If I were you I'd just keep with the plan you have.

Personally I wasn't ready to leave the States until I got older....I was doing just fine with American women and I still don't have anything against them....except that it is almost impossible to get with a hot 25 year old once you hit 50 and if you do....someone is likely to call the cops. jajaja

Overall I'm surprised at the number of younger guys that are swearing off American women and are going overseas to find pussy. Obviously something has changed with the dating scene in the US for guys in their 20's.

You are never going to convince guys (like GM) that are banging tons of hot chicks in the states that it is a good idea to go to Colombia and struggle with a foreign language and culture even if they can get chicks that are even hotter than the ones they are currently banging.

There are just guys that are going to realize a two point jump in the looks of the women they attract in Colombia and there are guys that aren't. And then they have ask themselves is it worth the trouble....you pretty much have to have a thing for young hot women or it isn't going to be a good trade off. I have plenty of friends my age that are more than happy with the 40 something MILFs they pickup at the Blue Martini. jajaja

If I had to do it all over again...I would have known that it would become exponentially harder to land hot pussy every year past 35 and would have planned ahead better to escape the States....at which point it would have been stupid for me to get married like I did.....I think most guys fall into the marriage trap because they feel like they don't have much to lose...and that is most likely true if you are over 35 and live in the states.

I also would have known that it would be possible to have not just one super hot Colombian girlfriend but two or three at a time. So I would have avoided letting my Colombian girlfriends move in with me no matter how smoking hot they were.

[jimukr104]

Leaving the country for better pussy actually makes a lot of sense. If a guy is a 5 or 4 in the face in the USA, he will be stuck mostly with average chicks. Average us chick is a fat hog. All the above avg guys fight for the fit and slim chicks. Not many left over for the avg or below avg guy. A slim girl with a dog face is still hot but since girls prioritize face more, you can have a dog face guy with acgood body struggling.
Now that same guy goes overseas SEA ,la or EE and he automatically jumps to a 6. But more important is the average chick is actually bangeable. A Russian 5 is attractive. So the guy went from a 4 to a 6 just by leaving media influenced America. That newly minted 6 can now easily get a 6 and with good game go 2 points up to a 8. Atleast 7 no problem. That's is a pretty nice bang for someone who was a 4!

[Parcero Paisa]

(07-25-2013 04:31 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

It is a no brainer for me...Bogota in my humble opinion is the best of the 3 major cities. (Medellin, Cali & Bogota) You just have way more options in a city of 8 million people, full of nightlife, art, music, over 100 colleges and Universities, chicas coming and going daily from every city and pueblo in Colombia, not to mention cuisine from all over the world. Yeah pollution and weather are the negatives, but I would be bored beyond bored in any other city after a week....for instance this weekend I am taking a $115 flight into Medellin for the wknd...party my ass off with friends, enjoy the beauty of the place, then get the fuck out!!! To each there own, but I love that Bogota gets second or third billing amongst expats/travellers......

What exactly can you do in Bogota you couldnt do else where? I am talking about day to day life. Most young guys are not wanting to hit up museums when they go to Colombia etc.

The only plus for me I could potentially see with Bogota is a jumping mid week nightlife / club scene which I am not even sure exists. (never been to Bogota)

Wedo Wrote:

One night when I was getting ready to go out....I asked him when his date was going to show....he says she isn't coming.....I say why not....he says she wants me to pay the taxis....I say "so"...he says well she lives in the south and it is 20 mill....I say "so"....he says well thats another 20 mill to get her home.

Why didnt the guy just text another girl? Shouldnt have been a problem.

[WestCoast]

I think I can answer your question on the dating scene.

To be honest it's not anywhere near as bad as people here make it seem. The issue is quality is just lower relative to the headaches, I am certainly not quitting my job to move to SA just to bang a point or two higher. That would be a recipie for disaster. If you're shooting blanks in the states you're obviously shooting blanks in SA.

I have a decent looking girl around but I know I can scale up by leaving, that's the real draw of it.

In short the reason I want to leave to SA:
1. Can go up a point or two
2. I like Latin culture (been around SA many times)
3. I prefer Latin girls

The downside is there is no cash flow down there, again I would never choose a woman over money. That's just dumb.

There really aren't too many issues in the states mostly just complainers, but it is true foreign girls are better.

That's a bit of a rant but TL;DR foreign chicks are better and most guys are making the huge mistake of choosing to leave too early.

I have to earn the right to leave, but this forum is just the inspiration for that.

** should also make it obvious there are next to no Latinas where I live, trying to fix that situation in the states right now as well **

[WEDO]

(07-25-2013 08:01 PM)Parcero Paisa Wrote:  

Wedo Wrote:

One night when I was getting ready to go out....I asked him when his date was going to show....he says she isn't coming.....I say why not....he says she wants me to pay the taxis....I say "so"...he says well she lives in the south and it is 20 mill....I say "so"....he says well thats another 20 mill to get her home.

Why didnt the guy just text another girl? Shouldnt have been a problem.

Tunnel vision....Guy also got upset with every chick he went out with if she didn't put out on the first date....even though I stressed repeatedly how important it is to make friends with chicks even if they never put out....I would estimate that at least 25% of my bangs come from introductions made by other women.

[Tully Mars]

What exactly can you do in Bogota you couldnt do else where? I am talking about day to day life. Most young guys are not wanting to hit up museums when they go to Colombia etc.

The only plus for me I could potentially see with Bogota is a jumping mid week nightlife / club scene which I am not even sure exists. (never been to Bogota)

From your comments I can tell you have never been here....come for a week and see for yourself....first of all, it would be impossible for me to hit all the various bars and clubs in this city...it's that massive......away from nightlife every sunday the city organizes one of the best bicycling events in the world called Ciclovía...they close down over 70 miles of city streets to cars so cyclists, skateboarders, runners you name it... can roam all over the city free of cars, there are bands, street performers, aerobics classes, street food, and tons of hot chicas roller blading, running and biking all over it goes from 7am-2pm every sunday and national holiday it's packed full of people and a great way to get over a hangover and meet girls away from the nightlife.

There are 2 professional soccer teams, massive rock/hip hop fests (rocka en el Parque free 3 day concert in July with over 250,000 people), food festivals, art festivals, neighborhood parties, big corporate sponsored events full of hot women, Bogota is the financial captial of Colombia so tons of businesses everyday on the streets you are surrounded by gorgeous women dressed to the nines....if it's a big name international musical act it is usually gonna be in Bogota.....there is a big music scene here and I dont just mean salsa and reggaeton, so you can find rock, jazz, hip-hop, heavy metal venues.....for me you can usually find something to get into almost every night of the week, in the other cities of Colombia it was normally a weekend nightlife centered around salsa clubs, discos and reggaeton (which I like but I want to have options) ....there are gyms on every block, dance schools, high end to low end shopping, golf courses, language exchange groups, hiking and biking clubs, swinger clubs, punk rock lesbian clubs, massage parlors, great fincas less than 2 hour drive out of the city either in the mountains or down in the hot country, tons of cafes and restraunts, one section of the city Zona G is dedicated just to high end restraunts, pubs, and lounges....then there is Zona Rosa/Parque 93/Usaqueen...I could go on and on.....trust me....it's a city with a great pulse.

I don't have anything against the other cities but Bogota to me has a lot more to offer....to some it's not their thing a big dirty city, but to me it's got a great vibe...in the other cities of Colombia it was just to slow for me to enjoy on a day to day lifestyle....hope that helps...someday I will get around to writing up a decent updated Bogota sheet....