Quote: (05-20-2013 06:44 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

And when is he supposed to do that inbetween his 6-work week shifts and 12 hour days? This dude is happy to get 8 hours of sleep per night, let alone learn game, hit the gym, and spend hours shopping.

Surgeons work 72+ hours a weeks easily. Infectious Diseases is not considered to be a demanding specialty, so I doubt he works this much.

Wrong. I actually know young doctors and talk to them. 100% of doctors in residency, regardless of the type of practice, work 80+ hours. They don't work less until they've moved up the food chain, which occur once they are in their late 30's (earliest) or 40's (more realistic). And while they are Med school, they already work sick hours and study around 6-8 hours per day. I know all of this because my old roommate was a doctor. Many doctors in med school get part-time jobs on top of school-load too. Talk about a hellish life.

They all have serious issues with burnout. But they have no choice. If they don't put in the crazy hours, they'll be replaced with the near endless stream of new doctors all chasing the paycheck.

Arent we in a shortage of doctors?

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:48 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Arent we in a shortage of doctors?

We are, and it's going to get worse since it seems they're not too fond of obama care

Of course her favorite tv show is "bob's burgers."

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:51 AM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:48 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Arent we in a shortage of doctors?

We are, and it's going to get worse since it seems they're not too fond of obama care

Entitlement wah wah.

Once the economy gets worse, people will be begging to be doctors for less than six figures.

Doctors in 2nd world countries like Poland and FSU make scraps.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:50 PM)NYJ Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:41 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

he does look goofy as fuck, the clown tie is ridiculous

He looks like he works for Geek Squad.

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

He's a doctor/musician. He's got a lot going for himself, it's just that society no longer rewards those things.

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Sure he has a lot going for him on paper, he's a Dr., probably has some money, etc., but am I the only one who seems to think that stuff is becoming increasingly less important these days?

It being D.C. and the east coast in general, having a good career with a nice title or status, "doctor", "partner at a law firm", etc., can be important to women, especially more so than the west coast, but I really doubt being a doctor is going to get girls wet and dropping panties in and of itself.

Now a days women are more likely to want to fuck the good looking bartender, bouncer, DJ, guy in the local band, etc. I think the whole women wanting a doctor or lawyer thing is played up, unless it was more important back in the 90's.

Furthermore, I probably should reserve judgement because admitedly I only skimmed through the date lab article, but from their pictures I think the woman is the more attractive of the two. Now I'm not trying to say she's hot, but I think she's got a cute enough face and she's not really fat, maybe a bit chubby. The guy on the other hand appears to be tall, and not fat, so we can assume he's in decent shape, but I wouldn't say he's a handsome man by any means.

Some truth here...sad truth that is crushing society.

Quote: (05-19-2013 06:06 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

Actually, she said the opposite. She felt that he WAS interesting, and actually initially that she wanted to hang out with him again. The only negative, and this is a big one, was that he wasn't flirtatious. Namely...there was no spark. When he tried to set up another date, she shot him down and told him the exact reason why.

Her mind was interested. Her pussy wasn't. It's her pussy we're interested in. And nowadays, with the Kleptocracy, her mind follows her pussy anyway.

Quote: (05-19-2013 11:10 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Women need to feel emotions, and this guy does not make her feel anything. He seems pretty boring, does not know how to flirt, and thinks that the way you get women is by sharing interests.

Good points. Keep in mind also that she simply may not have found him that physically attractive. If a guy is a pretty boy and the date went exactly the same she might have found the interest sharing thing to be intriguing. Whereas if there is no attraction, it may have put him in the friendzone.

I think overall your point is solid. Interest sharing does not necessarily cause attraction. I realized this some time back when I discovered the paradox that I often have a better date the less I have in common with a woman. The worst date for me to be on it seems is with a brainy girl who's into the same things I am. I remember years ago having what I thought was a good date and we had a really great and interesting conversation. I was stunned when she turned me down for a second date. It was exactly like one of these datelab dates. Then I think of another date prior to that where we had nothing in common but I was getting a blow within the 2hr mark. Not being able to have an intelligent conversation or talk about commonalities means the conversation stayed light-hearted and playful. Chemistry is a crazy thing.

So ideally I think the emphasis must be on the light-hearted, playful vibe. Then *after* there's been some physical chemistry start introducing more substance. Getting the balance between play and substance can also be tricky and you have to calibrate for each girl. Getting to much into substance too quick is a good way to cock block yourself.

Basically, there is a whole set of traits and characteristics that women do appreciate and value only AFTER they are already attracted to you. These are all the conventional things like good job, hobbies, etc.

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:48 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Arent we in a shortage of doctors?

Yep, but not because of a shortage of applicants. Instead, we have a shortage of positions because hospitals cannot afford to give out more.

Obamacare will fix that.

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

Yep.

It's not enough to be educated, intellectually curious, musically talented, hard-working, and willing to start a family and treat a woman with dignity and respect.

Nope.

He needs to start learning card tricks and having girls take body shots off of his abs.

This is America. What could possibly go wrong?

She did him a favor. She's already pudgy. Imagine how big and sweaty Fatima is going to be in a year or two.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

Serious question to you and others bashing the guy for not being "interesting."

Do you really think you'd have a deeper, more interesting conversation with the girl that with that guy?

Let's face it. You got out with a girl and she's not interesting at all. The game isn't about getting "real" or talking about things that truly matter. The game is about doing parlor tricks and being a well-dressed, entertaining dancing monkey with some muscles and a cute face/good haircut.

I would much rather sit around with cigars and scotch talking to that guy on a "real" or "personal" level than with that girl or most any girls.

Do you disagree?

Are there really all of these interesting women out there craving serious conversation? Where are you meeting them?

If do, drop a data sheet, Holmes. Because I've been around and dated old and young and educated and uneducated.

Take away a vagina and you've taken away my incentive to interact with 99% of females.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Basically, there is a whole set of traits and characteristics that women do appreciate and value only AFTER they are already attracted to you. These are all the conventional things like good job, hobbies, etc.

Exactly.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Why should a woman want to fuck a guy who she is not attracted to simply because he is a doctor? It seems that some want it both ways. We all say 2/10 would not bang but if a woman thinks the same people mention the hamster and call her deluded etc.

Mike, sadly, you are right. The best thing about America is that you can make a lot of money and travel easily to smash better lizards in other countries.
The home grown are by and large, vapid and dull especially in the main cities.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Serious question to you and others bashing the guy for not being "interesting."

Do you really think you'd have a deeper, more interesting conversation with the girl that with that guy?

Let's face it. You got out with a girl and she's not interesting at all. The game isn't about getting "real" or talking about things that truly matter. The game is about doing parlor tricks and being a well-dressed, entertaining dancing monkey with some muscles and a cute face/good haircut.

I would much rather sit around with cigars and scotch talking to that guy on a "real" or "personal" level than with that girl or most any girls.

Do you disagree?

Are there really all of these interesting women out there craving serious conversation? Where are you meeting them?

If do, drop a data sheet, Holmes. Because I've been around and dated old and young and educated and uneducated.

Take away a vagina and you've taken away my incentive to interact with 99% of females.

I always find it funny that women are eternally looking for Interesting-man. But somehow seem to always fail. Which is ironic since almost every woman I've ever met or heard about or read about is depressingly uninteresting -- outside of wondering if they are shaved, neatly trimmed or bald.

And the above quote in bold is so true. I don't like it, because I will only give even marginal interest to hot chicks - which massages their egos even more. But fat and post wall bitches just repulse me. I have ZERO use for them.

If a chick is not attractive to you, no amount of other "pluses" that she may have is going to matter. If the dick don't move, there is no groove. I view this as an analogous situation, except replace physical beauty by whatever combination of things women need to get grooving. Now, it can be argued that this combination has changed over time viz a vis women's attraction to men as society has deteriorated, and that previously merely being a decent and successful man was enough, but we are not living in those times.

If we lived in those times again, does anyone think that we would be racking up the numbers of bangs in the US that we are today? Are these guys paying the price while we gorge ourselves at the pussy trough? Hell maybe 50 years ago this would be a forum about what vacuum cleaner to buy the missus instead of what we can do smash and dash.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:31 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Basically, there is a whole set of traits and characteristics that women do appreciate and value only AFTER they are already attracted to you. These are all the conventional things like good job, hobbies, etc.

Exactly.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Why should a woman want to fuck a guy who she is not attracted to simply because he is a doctor? It seems that some want it both ways. We all say 2/10 would not bang but if a woman thinks the same people mention the hamster and call her deluded etc.

It is deluded because this woman is going to end up a spinster if she only dates guys who she's attracted to her who end up pumping and dumping.

Also, if this was FSU, SE Asia, parts of Latin America she'd be desperate to get a guy like him. Hell, if it was 50 years ago in America she'd be happy with him.

Interesting google experiment:

I put "how to find a hu" into the search box and it comes up with husband and various permutations. I put "how to find a wi" in the search box, and it's all about the wifi. Maybe she IS in trouble.

To be fair, he seems like a good guy do something positive with his life. The world needs guys like him....and with him as my competition in DC it makes my life that much easier.

His mistake was classic DC over achiever. He essentially sat with her and read his resume - Dr, Peace Corp, Volunteer, Cooking Classes etc....That's what the socially inept people in this town do. Read resumes to one another instead of having fun, engaging conversation.

He needs to tune up his look - clothes, haircut, etc...and learn how to make fun exciting conversation. Tease around the fact that he can cook, down play being a Dr., talk about the "now" and get her entrenched in the surroundings of the moment. If he wants her around long term, he has compensating factors. You gotta get that 'gina tickle going quick. The window of opportunity shuts fast.

She says "my favorite animal is an elephant"
His response should be "well, I am half elephant - from the waist down!!!"

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:31 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Basically, there is a whole set of traits and characteristics that women do appreciate and value only AFTER they are already attracted to you. These are all the conventional things like good job, hobbies, etc.

Exactly.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Why should a woman want to fuck a guy who she is not attracted to simply because he is a doctor? It seems that some want it both ways. We all say 2/10 would not bang but if a woman thinks the same people mention the hamster and call her deluded etc.

You're right, except the major difference is men ALWAYS have to think about what they bring to the table, and be realistic about it. Women generally don't think that way. At some point, they need to re-evaluate what they're looking for and make sure it's in line with what they're bringing. I don't disagree, that on both sides of the table, attraction has to be present. However, women continually try to sell the idea that looks aren't as important, but that the whole picture regarding a man matters more. We wouldn't call them deluded if they were more honest about that. Men generally don't lie about the importance of looks.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:47 PM)Menace Wrote:  

If a chick is not attractive to you, no amount of other "pluses" that she may have is going to matter. If the dick don't move, there is no groove.

Guys need to pass a girl's clit test just like a girl needs to pass our boner test.

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:09 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:44 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

And when is he supposed to do that inbetween his 6-work week shifts and 12 hour days? This dude is happy to get 8 hours of sleep per night, let alone learn game, hit the gym, and spend hours shopping.

Surgeons work 72+ hours a weeks easily. Infectious Diseases is not considered to be a demanding specialty, so I doubt he works this much.

Wrong. I actually know young doctors and talk to them. 100% of doctors in residency, regardless of the type of practice, work 80+ hours. They don't work less until they've moved up the food chain, which occur once they are in their late 30's (earliest) or 40's (more realistic). And while they are Med school, they already work sick hours and study around 6-8 hours per day. I know all of this because my old roommate was a doctor. Many doctors in med school get part-time jobs on top of school-load too. Talk about a hellish life.

They all have serious issues with burnout. But they have no choice. If they don't put in the crazy hours, they'll be replaced with the near endless stream of new doctors all chasing the paycheck.

In 2003, a law was passed that capped resident work hours to 80 hours per week averaged over 4 weeks. Basically, the max amount of hours that residency programs can make you work is 320 hours per month. Surgeons sometimes misreport their hours and work longer than that though.

The residents I know are in radiology (60 hours/week), internal medicine (55 hours/week), dermatology (50 hours/week) and ER (64 hours/week). You also have to spend around a few hours a week studying on your own, and some residents do time consuming research as well.

You are correct in saying that burnout can easily happen if you don't enjoy your field of medicine.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:51 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:31 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Why should a woman want to fuck a guy who she is not attracted to simply because he is a doctor? It seems that some want it both ways. We all say 2/10 would not bang but if a woman thinks the same people mention the hamster and call her deluded etc.

It is deluded because this woman is going to end up a spinster if she only dates guys who she's attracted to her who end up pumping and dumping.

Also, if this was FSU, SE Asia, parts of Latin America she'd be desperate to get a guy like him. Hell, if it was 50 years ago in America she'd be happy with him.

Yes she might end up alone but so will half of this forum: Because many of us refuse to settle we are destined to end up alone in our old age always searching for the perfect woman who is 9/10, feminine, loyal, good mother...Only a small fraction of us will find the golden ticket.

Yes 50 years ago she'd have married a guy who owned a colour tv, things have moved on, the world and society has fundamentally changed. Women don't for the most part 'need men' to take care of them in the west. My mother was sent to finishing school in Switzerland after completing school to learn shit about being a good wife. The dynamic has changed in the non FSU west. Women think as much with their clits when younger as they do their brain.

If the only thing you can offer a young woman in the west is a semi-decent job and a home in the suburbs with a mortgage up to your eye balls then you will not get far. You need game, style, charisma. Everything this dude on the dating show was missing.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

Yep.

It's not enough to be educated, intellectually curious, musically talented, hard-working, and willing to start a family and treat a woman with dignity and respect.

Nope.

He needs to start learning card tricks and having girls take body shots off of his abs.

This is America. What could possibly go wrong?

Yes but I say thank god it is like that. Thank god women are shallow and put emotions above intellect.

I'm not rich, not overly intelligent, have no musical talent, have little interest in deep conversations about world affairs, not very well read, I'm lazy as fuck and have no desire to work hard all my life, I'm not a doctor or any other worthy professional, Join the Peace Corps?! Fuck that shit, I'd rather go to Cambodia and shore a load of whores instead. So if women worked to your ideals guys like me would never get laid.

Fortunately women like to get drunk, be made to laugh by childish jokes, like to be grabbed by the throat fucked in cheap hotels, they like to go dancing in clubs and neck Jaeger bombs, they like guys who walk up to them in the day and and invite them for a drink. And in those things I can excel.

Be careful what you wish for because if it is women who want intellectual guys who are into doing charity work and have 2.2 kids and 2 weeks in Spain each year then you will get it but it might not be half as much fun as the times we are living in.