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Short sleeve white shirt with a tie for a date?

It's rolled up.

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

And when is he supposed to do that inbetween his 6-work week shifts and 12 hour days? This dude is happy to get 8 hours of sleep per night, let alone learn game, hit the gym, and spend hours shopping.

This guy is a walking advertisement for a mail order bride, and unlike his Caucasian counterpart, I bet his parents would be thrilled with something like that.

His outfit isn't inherently goofy. He's goofy, and wearing an ill-fitting, office-worker version of that outfit. He could rock that look like a boss if he did it right.

   

   

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:08 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

His outfit isn't inherently goofy. He's goofy, and wearing an ill-fitting, office-worker version of that outfit. He could rock that look like a boss if he did it right.

So the trick is to be a lean white guy with hipster glasses and styled hair, then blast a Magnum look into the camera. Then you can wear a dumb shirt.

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Quote: (05-19-2013 04:08 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

His outfit isn't inherently goofy. He's goofy, and wearing an ill-fitting, office-worker version of that outfit. He could rock that look like a boss if he did it right.

So the trick is to be a lean white guy with hipster glasses and styled hair, then blast a Magnum look into the camera. Then you can wear a dumb shirt.

It's not a very practical everyday outfit...perhaps for a rare one-time photo shoot yes...but nobody should go for that look in a real life setting let alone spend the big bucks for it.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:20 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

So the trick is to be a lean white guy with hipster glasses and styled hair, then blast a Magnum look into the camera. Then you can wear a dumb shirt.

I should have seen that coming. I've seen Asian dudes rock the Godzilla/Japanese-Scientist look (short-sleeved white shirt, black tie, dark-rimmed glasses) better than anyone. The keys are:

1. Being in at least decent shape ("slender")
2. Good fits on the garments
3. Cool hairdo

Dudes all over Korea and Japan rock the Asian nerd look. Yeah, it's hipster, but if you're going to wear a shirt and tie--and have that guy's look--you gotta play to your strengths.

   

Quote: (05-19-2013 03:17 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Overall, you're right about the guy. But that isn't a short-sleeve shirt. It's a long-sleeve dress shirt that he rolled up - also a fashion faux pas. The most he should have done was fold the cuff under, but not all the way up past his elbow.

Haha yeah, he rolled it up above the elbow. Dorky.

And leaving it fully buttoned down can also look awful. Look at the infamous CaptainPower shirt.

I fold back my sleeves by two cuff lengths. Flip the cuff back onto the sleeve towards the outside and let it sit flat. Then give it one more cuff-length turn to the outside - cuff will now disappear inside the sleeve.

Let the sleeve folds flare out a bit. It shouldn't be completely smoothed down and flat.

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Quote: (05-19-2013 03:41 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

he does look goofy as fuck, the clown tie is ridiculous

He looks like he works for Geek Squad.

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

Sure he has a lot going for him on paper, he's a Dr., probably has some money, etc., but am I the only one who seems to think that stuff is becoming increasingly less important these days?

It being D.C. and the east coast in general, having a good career with a nice title or status, "doctor", "partner at a law firm", etc., can be important to women, especially more so than the west coast, but I really doubt being a doctor is going to get girls wet and dropping panties in and of itself.

Now a days women are more likely to want to fuck the good looking bartender, bouncer, DJ, guy in the local band, etc. I think the whole women wanting a doctor or lawyer thing is played up, unless it was more important back in the 90's.

Furthermore, I probably should reserve judgement because admitedly I only skimmed through the date lab article, but from their pictures I think the woman is the more attractive of the two. Now I'm not trying to say she's hot, but I think she's got a cute enough face and she's not really fat, maybe a bit chubby. The guy on the other hand appears to be tall, and not fat, so we can assume he's in decent shape, but I wouldn't say he's a handsome man by any means.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:37 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:20 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

So the trick is to be a lean white guy with hipster glasses and styled hair, then blast a Magnum look into the camera. Then you can wear a dumb shirt.

I should have seen that coming. I've seen Asian dudes rock the Godzilla/Japanese-Scientist look (short-sleeved white shirt, black tie, dark-rimmed glasses) better than anyone. The keys are:

1. Being in at least decent shape ("slender")
2. Good fits on the garments
3. Cool hairdo

Dudes all over Korea and Japan rock the Asian nerd look. Yeah, it's hipster, but if you're going to wear a shirt and tie--and have that guy's look--you gotta play to your strengths.

Fit seems to be the biggie. Just from personal experience I've had better daygame luck going out in filthy old holey t-shirts that fit well than I've had with nice shirts that are too baggy because I bought them when I was a fatass.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Sure he has a lot going for him on paper, he's a Dr., probably has some money, etc., but am I the only one who seems to think that stuff is becoming increasingly less important these days?

Infectious disease is a subspecialty of internal medicine. It's not a particularly competitive nor lucrative fellowship (unlike cardiology, gastroenterology, hematology-oncology, or allergy-immunology). Guarantee you this guy was not an "alpha" even academically in medical school.

As for money, he has none. Fellows are paid peanuts, just like residents. He probably makes $60k, plus probably has $300k in loans. Even as an attending he'll barely make hospitalist pay despite the subspecialist training.

He's nowhere near representative of real ballers in medicine in the high-powered high-earning specialties (ie orthopedic surgery or radiology), who would be way out of this girl's league.. especially at the attending level.

His lifestyle is probably okay though. He works about 50 hours a week in a pretty low intensity area of medicine. Even if he sees consults every other weekend, he only works a couple hours max on weekends on top of the normal 9-5 grind.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

Actually, she said the opposite. She felt that he WAS interesting, and actually initially that she wanted to hang out with him again. The only negative, and this is a big one, was that he wasn't flirtatious. Namely...there was no spark. When he tried to set up another date, she shot him down and told him the exact reason why.

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Agreed, I think the dude does look rather lame, I am always surprised by how much people bash the chicks on Date Lab, but this dude doesn't really strike me as being that cool, interesting, etc.

Actually, she said the opposite. She felt that he WAS interesting (not because of his job, but other talents and interests), and actually said initially that she wanted to hang out with him again. The only negative, and this is a big one, was that he wasn't flirtatious. Namely...there was no spark. When he tried to set up another date, she shot him down and told him the exact reason why.

Roosh's dissection of Datelab is one of my favorite features. It is like a mystery puzzle, where I get some of the clues, but Roosh reveals the obvious stuff I overlooked.

The guy is not handsome and has horrible style (haircut, clothes, build). He has worked 80 hours per week, usually wearing scrubs. He wears a tie with patients to look respectable, and thought this is appropriate for dates. He is a great guy, former Peace Corps volunteer, doctor, etc. We should all pitch in for a bootcamp for this guy.

She works for a very small consulting firm that evaluates development work.

Typical D.C. Somewhat cute and non-obese 30-year-old woman works in a pink-collar nonprofit development job and rejects boring successful guys. On the other hand, what about the reverse situation. The resumes of Roosh, Fisto, El Mechanico, and MiXX are pretty thin. Suppose we fix them up with a smart, successful career woman who is plump and plain. Do we really expect them to be attracted to the personality underneath?

Women are becoming like men. They don't need someone to support them anymore. Instead, they want a tingle. Some guys like Roosh took the hint and became the interesting, travelled, and well-read guys these women want.

Quote: (05-19-2013 06:07 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

Roosh's dissection of Datelab is one of my favorite features. It is like a mystery puzzle, where I get some of the clues, but Roosh reveals the obvious stuff I overlooked.

The guy is not handsome and has horrible style (haircut, clothes, build). He has worked 80 hours per week, usually wearing scrubs. He wears a tie with patients to look respectable, and thought this is appropriate for dates. He is a great guy, former Peace Corps volunteer, doctor, etc. We should all pitch in for a bootcamp for this guy.

She works for a very small consulting firm that evaluates development work.

Typical D.C. Somewhat cute and non-obese 30-year-old woman works in a pink-collar nonprofit development job and rejects boring successful guys. On the other hand, what about the reverse situation. The resumes of Roosh, Fisto, El Mechanico, and MiXX are pretty thin. Suppose we fix them up with a smart, successful career woman who is plump and plain. Do we really expect them to be attracted to the personality underneath?

Women are becoming like men. They don't need someone to support them anymore. Instead, they want a tingle. Some guys like Roosh took the hint and became the interesting, travelled, and well-read guys these women want.

you are forgetting that hypergamy will not allow a woman to marry someone who makes less than her, sure they might find this type of guy and then divorce rape him and live out the rest of her life as a sperm dumpster for younger men and more alpha types, but I see some exploitation that can be done by these nerdy guys, I think roissy had a post about revenge of the nerds game

Quote: (05-19-2013 06:07 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

Women are becoming like men. They don't need someone to support them anymore. Instead, they want a tingle. Some guys like Roosh took the hint and became the interesting, travelled, and well-read guys these women want.

Odds are this woman is a hypergamous gold-digger. But this guy has no money. He makes $60k a year and is probably $300k in debt. His personal style reflects this. If he came out custom suited down like G Manifesto and picked this woman up in his RS8, I guarantee you he would have gotten a second date.

Just because he has doctor status doesn't mean much if he lacks money, looks, or style. Especially since he's an East Asian male. At least he's not short.

Interesting, travelled, well-read? LJL. You give women way too much credit!

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:37 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2013 04:20 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

So the trick is to be a lean white guy with hipster glasses and styled hair, then blast a Magnum look into the camera. Then you can wear a dumb shirt.

I should have seen that coming. I've seen Asian dudes rock the Godzilla/Japanese-Scientist look (short-sleeved white shirt, black tie, dark-rimmed glasses) better than anyone. The keys are:

1. Being in at least decent shape ("slender")
2. Good fits on the garments
3. Cool hairdo

Dudes all over Korea and Japan rock the Asian nerd look. Yeah, it's hipster, but if you're going to wear a shirt and tie--and have that guy's look--you gotta play to your strengths.

Are these guys picking up anything other than Asian 6s or a Seat for a Party of One in the Friend Zone, or are they just getting upvotes on /r/fashion?

The only people I could recommend the Godzilla-Scientist (great coinage, by the way) look to are tall, athletic black guys. NBA players have been known to do this.

Contrast game.

For everyone else, there are better options, although the Godzilla-Scientist nerd-chique look is certainly superior to being a bland herb. I would tell an Asian guy to get jacked and act more confidently rather than to double-down on the Asian nerdiness.

Telltale signs that this is a typical thrill-seeking Americanized (if not American) woman - Asian nerd pairing; which is going to fail.

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Fatima: He got an Indian dish, and I got a Thai dish. We talked about cooking a lot. I’m really into cooking easy things. He’s taken cooking classes — Taiwanese classes and Indian cooking classes. Although I like that kind of food, I’m just not into making complex things.

Cannot cook. Mildly disparages man who *can* cook instead of being impressed.

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Eugene:She works for a very small consulting firm that evaluates development work. When I was a Peace Corps volunteer, one of the things I struggled with was trying to measure success levels or how effective we were in our project. I think that might be a similar trait or commonality, in the sense that we’re both interested in doing some sort of development or community-building.

Chap sounds like he is still writing a medical report.

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Eugene:My comfort level, it was as if I was speaking to a friend. It was sort of a freewheeling conversation. I hope it wasn’t that she was just being nice.

Fatima: It was pretty casual and friendly. [But] we weren’t flirtatious at all.

Yep, American(ized) women aren't intelligent enough to ramp up a friendly conversation and initiate any flirting themselves. A friendly level of conversations gets you an LJBF at the end.

He needs a nice Asian girl to cook, clean and blow for him.

She needs to be pump-and-dumped by Roosh or Gmac.

Quote: (05-19-2013 06:56 PM)le tigre Wrote:  

He makes $60k a year and is probably $300k in debt.

That was me a few years ago. It's really no way to live. I can now honestly conclude that many homeless people are doing better than that.

Quote: (05-19-2013 10:02 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Here's the highest rated comment, which while noble, shows how most Americans are completely clueless with how today's young woman selects for sex.

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A recurrent theme to all these dates is "I liked X, but there was no spark". These people are foolish and that is probably the reason they are single. Love does not just pop out of nowhere. It has to grow. if you plant a seed and wait an hour or two, nothing happens. Come back a few days later and you may have something, a sprout. Keep coming back and you'll watch a plant grow. Love is like that in real life. If people like each other, are attracted to each other and enjoy each other's conversation , that is a great seed. These young people should go back on a few more dates to see if they' can sow anything worth harvesting. One date is completely insufficent to base a reliable and accurate picture of a relationship on.

This comment is 100% true. Everyone these days expects instantaneous chemistry and if that's not present, people think there is something "wrong". It's usually women who do this. Men will stick around as long as the women is open to another date, even if we don't feel the chemistry because there's at least the incentive of getting some pussy.

Many others are saying similar things and I agree:

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I think there is a rather unrealistic value placed on chemistry. Now, I can understand if Quasimodo was Date Lab guy and half-way through dinner he had to leave because of his heavy bell ringing schedule in the morning.

But week-after-week, perfectly normal looking people are rejected due to their lack of spontaneous combustion. There are thousands of successful unions that have started out as friendships. Just as there are thousands of angry, broken people lamenting falling for a good-looking cad or cadette. I know we live in an ADD culture; but, if you're looking for someone and find someone nice but lacking in the fireworks department, you have to give it more than the time you spend eating a bowl of pad-Thai noodles.

Women need to feel emotions, and this guy does not make her feel anything. He seems pretty boring, does not know how to flirt, and thinks that the way you get women is by sharing interests. Not sure why anyone expected anything different...and anyway, doing dates right is hard even if you know what you're supposed to do without a lot of practice. Is this guy going on 1-3 dates every single week? Doubt it.

Well, women have a million options in America so they aren't gonna stick around if they don't feel that spark right away.

Quote: (05-19-2013 11:10 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Women need to feel emotions, and this guy does not make her feel anything. He seems pretty boring, does not know how to flirt, and thinks that the way you get women is by sharing interests. Not sure why anyone expected anything different...and anyway, doing dates right is hard even if you know what you're supposed to do without a lot of practice. Is this guy going on 1-3 dates every single week? Doubt it.

Good lord. He doesn't have time for 1-3 dates a week.

Date Lab is just another confirmation of how the modern sexual market totally disincentivizes male achievement. There's a reason why all developed economies seem to drifting towards stagnation, and this is as good a reason as any. In fact, even though I've been critical of immigration it occurs to me that it may well be positive in this sense - the first generation of high-skill, high IQ immigrants will still possess a work ethic totally out of keeping with what women actually desire. The kids of guys like dorky Asian guy will know better.

A lot of guys say they don't care. Well I do. I'm not that old, and I want to see major technological breakthroughs in what remains of my lifetime. How many smart men who could have contributed to science and technology are lured away by the fact that they can't even secure a decently slim wife by pursuing such a career.

[quote] (05-19-2013 04:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.[/quote]

And when is he supposed to do that inbetween his 6-work week shifts and 12 hour days? This dude is happy to get 8 hours of sleep per night, let alone learn game, hit the gym, and spend hours shopping.
***-That's no excuse. There are divorced guys out there who work just as much if not more & only end up with a fraction of what this clown is making. If guys who have the tremendous stress of having to work long hours only to see the majority of their pay go to someone else still have time to improve themselves as men & learn not to repeat the same mistakes then doctors most certainly can improve as well in their spare time. Last I checked doctors were humans just like the rest of us with limitations.They dont get free passes just for the sake of being doctors.

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Quote: (05-19-2013 03:28 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

What a shame. If this guy customized his wardrobe, exercised, and learned some game he could easily slay some quality poon.

And when is he supposed to do that inbetween his 6-work week shifts and 12 hour days? This dude is happy to get 8 hours of sleep per night, let alone learn game, hit the gym, and spend hours shopping.

Surgeons work 72+ hours a weeks easily. Infectious Diseases is not considered to be a demanding specialty, so I doubt he works this much.

Everyone on here assumes he is rolling in money as well. However, it seems like they said he is "in training", which means he is still in residency. Residents are supervised by doctors and make between 50-60k until they can practice independently. Infectious diseases doctors generally make around 120-200k per year, but this salary is reduced by having to pay back the crazy amount of student loans people take to finance med school these days.