Mystery: Overwhelmingly, most men that come to my boot camps are looking to get a high-quality girlfriend. It’s not the quantity thing. They mainly want a good girlfriend.

How many would agree with Mystery?

By and large, I'd have to agree. Most guys dream about banging a lot of chicks, but at the core, they just want to be able to get a girl and keep her.

That's cause most men that attend his boot camps are betas. Nevertheless, I agree. There's a cap on the quality of woman you can attain with the quick bang strategy.

Related study: The most attractive women have the least casual sex.

They've yet to realize just how fun the chase can be. Game isn't fun or addicting until you've had success.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with Mystery, who is just making an observation.

Most of the guys taking his bootcamps are probably newbies coming from the bluepill paradigm so the statistic makes sense.

I agree, banging a lot of the chicks is the fantasy but a girlfriend is really what they want. At least it is for all of my guy friends and none are really beta. The question then becomes: what is the optimal game for finding, getting, and keeping such a woman. Has to be quite different than the game used to get a lot of bangs.

I actually agree with the general sentiment of quality over quantity, but, I think there's a middle ground... I enjoy finding women that make me want to keep them around for longer than one or two nights, possibly even LTR, though I'm not really actively looking for girlfriends.

If you willfully ONS with a girl, it's probably because she's an intolerable cunt.

Now, at some point those guys that want a girlfriend may get jaded about relationships and decide they just want to get a lot of bangs. Some may get married, go through the divorce thing and decide to the same thing. However, game is necessary in ALL interactions and relationships with women.

Bangs

WIA

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:43 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Now, at some point those guys that want a girlfriend may get jaded about relationships and decide they just want to get a lot of bangs. Some may get married, go through the divorce thing and decide to the same thing. However, game is necessary in ALL interactions and relationships with women.

I agree BUT would the type of game used to get a lot of bangs be the right game to use to find a quality girlfriend. Usually, quantity and quality are an inverse relationship.

Ideally I would like both

everything gets old after a while, the grind for new pussy can be as lame as a long term girlfriend

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:47 PM)Irishman Wrote:  

Ideally I would like both

Actually, that's probably what most men would want. Should have made it a third option. BUT let's assume you had to chose or at least make one a primary choice.

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:40 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The question then becomes: what is the optimal game for finding, getting, and keeping such a woman. Has to be quite different than the game used to get a lot of bangs.

Heartiste would say that hot girls need your best game. Namely, they're the least forgiving of weakness in a man.

I agree and disagree. The hottest women I've ever met in my life want to be wined and dined, and they end up with guys who do that for them. At the same time, those guys are good looking and have other alpha traits, so obviously the first-date dinner isn't the only tool in the toolbox like betas think it is.

Edit: In the link, Heartiste cites a study that argues that beautiful women have more sexual partners over a lifetime, contradicting my earlier post above which links to a study that argues that they have less. Interesting.

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:46 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:43 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Now, at some point those guys that want a girlfriend may get jaded about relationships and decide they just want to get a lot of bangs. Some may get married, go through the divorce thing and decide to the same thing. However, game is necessary in ALL interactions and relationships with women.

I agree BUT would the type of game used to get a lot of bangs be the right game to use to find a quality girlfriend. Usually, quantity and quality are an inverse relationship.

You're applying different elements depending on the nature of the relationship, your ultimate goal, or at different stages of the relationship. But some form of game is necessary to keep 'em acting right.

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:50 PM)Stoic Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:40 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The question then becomes: what is the optimal game for finding, getting, and keeping such a woman. Has to be quite different than the game used to get a lot of bangs.

Heartiste would say that hot girls need your best game. Namely, they're the least forgiving of weakness in a man.

I agree and disagree. The hottest women I've ever met in my life want to be wined and dined, and they end up with guys who do that for them. At the same time, those guys are good looking and have other alpha traits, so obviously the first-date dinner isn't the only tool in the toolbox like betas think it is.

Edit: In the link, Heartiste cites a study that argues that beautiful women have more sexual partners over a lifetime, contradicting my earlier post above which links to a study that argues that they have less. Interesting.

I find that opinions differ on this. Some believe you need to step to hotter women differently than you would a woman lower on the scale, but others are of the opinion that you bring your best no matter how the woman looks. Basically, if you've decided you're going in, go in with your best regardless.

Both my paternal and maternal grandfathers had more than one wives. My uncle has two back home. My father married and divorced two women before he settled with my mother.

Therefore I must follow in their footsteps. This whole 'only one girl' mentality is alien to me. I must have at least two to three wives.

But for now, I just want countless top notch lays but my Game is in the shittr so I have to step up.

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:47 PM)Irishman Wrote:  

Ideally I would like both

Madonna / whore?

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:30 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Mystery: Overwhelmingly, most men that come to my boot camps are looking to get a high-quality girlfriend. It’s not the quantity thing. They mainly want a good girlfriend.

How many would agree with Mystery?

I agree with the Fuzzy Hatted one on this.

Think about it.

Out of your 10 best high school friends, how many are stone cold players and how many are married or in relationships?

Out of your 10 best College friends, how many are stone cold players and how many are married or in relationships?

Out of the ten top players you knew in high school or College, how many are still stone cold players and how many are married or in relationships?

My guess would be 0-1 out of 10.

That's my experience. My one friend, who was a top player, recently settled down with a girlfriend. So now there are none left.

G, gaming as a life thing requires time and effort to do it as a lifetime.
When you ask about high school friends who are still doing it and you address the older crowd, we tend to grow out of certain things at certain stages in life.

If you say, how many are in relationships, then we have to ask ourselves, what defines a relationships? Is it a bang buddy? An FWB? That can be considered a relationship.

If having a bang buddy/FWB IS considered a relationship and you are saying how many guys have the ability to go out EVERY night and make the SNL their entire sexual consumption process then I would say it's an extremely low process for the non famous type, non rich type.

Most people at a certain stage in life want a family and you can't run a steady family if you are still out hitting the bars 4 times a week, racking up SNLs for your MAIN source of sexual consumption. Especially if you have a demanding business/job AND or as well as growing children. Western society isn't set up for such convenience.

The exception to this is if you work or run an industry where constant hot lizards keep pouring through. In this case, SNL or whatever you want to is just part of what makes you money. To give an example, some guys would find it time consuming to go to the gym 6 days a week but not so much if they were personal trainers.

Same way, one wouldn't find it so time consuming to spit game and consume new ass each week if they were a club owner, bar tender or pimp.

Regarding Nomad's statement, the EXACT same type of game to get a bang is what it takes to get a girlfriend. You can vet the lizard AFTER the bang to see if she is girlfriend worthy which means continue to see her and investigate her character.
If it's pump and dump, merely dump her after the bang. Game ends on her once you've pounded her. With a relationship deserving lizard, game continues.

To support Timoteo, in this day and climate in the Western hemisphere (and to some lesser degree in other countries), game is required to ensure she doesn't challenge you for your throne.

Quote: (02-24-2013 11:59 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The exception to this is if you work or run an industry where constant hot lizards keep pouring through. In this case, SNL or whatever you want to is just part of what makes you money. To give an example, some guys would find it time consuming to go to the gym 6 days a week but not so much if they were personal trainers.

Same way, one wouldn't find it so time consuming to spit game and consume new ass each week if they were a club owner, bar tender or pimp.

Sure, but even out of those guys, how many are stone cold players and how many are married and/or in relationships?

I went to College with two guys who both own clubs on the Top 100 Nightclub list (revenue, just to make the point that these aren't small clubs) and both of them are married. (Update: I know another cat well that owns one of the biggest clubs in Vegas. Married. To one of my best friends ex-girlfriends.)

I know a ton (and I mean a ton) of bartenders (I go out drinking 3-5 nights per week) and I would say 90% of these guys are in relationships or married.

Most of my friends that I grew up with that work in Entertainment in LA? Married and relationships.

I can only think of one really right now (Agent) that is a stone cold player. And I haven't spoken to him in a while. He might be in a relationship.

And these cats are all pretty much "local". They spend almost all of their time in their respective cities.

Being a Stone Cold International Playboy is a very rare thing I have found.

G, to answer that question, I would ask you, can a stone cold player be in a relationship?

I have a friend in Toronto who is in his late 40's. Sometimes he is in a relationship and sometimes he is not but he ALWAYS makes time to go out and put in that work.

Last time I met with him, he was in a six year relationship but would always call me on the weekend (especially in the summer, more things happen in Toronto) to go out to different events to hunt.
We were in a strip club where he was trying to secure a Nova Scotian stripper on a weeknight. Later on that weekend, he was hanging out with his girlfriend and her fam.

Does he count as a stone cold player? I've known him for 9 years and he's been like that.

I want options.

Maybe a great girlfriend, maybe lots of girls of varying quality. I listen to my dick.

It seems like for me when I have one I'm longing for the other. If I'm on a hot streak and getting lots of easy bangs I start to think about how great it would be to have one quality woman that I'm building a relationship with. Conversely when I do start seeing someone for any length of time and starts moving towards a relationship I start feeling confined and can't wait to break free and go back on the hunt again. Eh, wish I could find that perfect middle ground...