[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 10:42 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 10:35 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Age also plays a part in this. What you want at 20, is different at 30, and at 40. With experience, comes a different perspective on life. Also what are you using women for? Are you using them to validate yourself? A lot of bangs = big stud. Beautiful woman = success. For a man that no longer needs to prove anything to anything what he looks for in woman is very different than one who does.

This is where we disagree.

I think having an "educated cute girl" is more bragging rights than "a hooters cute girl".

If you date a girl who works at hooters, you get reprimanded by society for being a pig. If you date a girl who works at Barclays and is cute, you're "getting a good girl". To me they are the same.

Who cares if she works at hooters, nordstroms, or Safeway.

What I want in my life is just hot sex, fun experience.

If I want a smart conversation, I'll get on the phone and call up a close male friend.

The whole "good catch" thing is nonsense to me. If she is cute and fun, then it's a win. Most educated girls are not fun.

There is no difference to you between these two girls looks being equal?:

Girl #1: Father is worth 30mill and the family owns yachts and 20 Arabian show horses.

Girl #2: Father cooks crystal meth and owns a trailer in Bakersfield.

[Nomad77]

@Jariel Thanks, I enjoy a good, stimulating discussion every now and then but I had no idea this thread would generate this much interest to be honest.

@WestCoast To be fair, American women as a whole is a very different can of worms than women outside of America. I don't know of many American women I would consider LTR material. I do know quite a few outside of the country through and those women was who I was talking about.

[Aliblahba]

It was a lot easier for me to bang brain dead bitches in my teens/early 20's. Now intelligence/witty weighs heavy. Sex is better with a girl that can match my sense of humor, and not just sit there and take the tormenting. I lost some hot bangs over at UGA, when the chick would belt out something like "I think socialism is a good idea." Instant turnoff. Can't even grudge fuck.

[bojangles]

(02-25-2013 10:58 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

It was a lot easier for me to bang brain dead bitches in my teens/early 20's. Now intelligence/witty weighs heavy. Sex is better with a girl that can match my sense of humor, and not just sit there and take the tormenting. I lost some hot bangs over at UGA, when the chick would belt out something like "I think socialism is a good idea." Instant turnoff. Can't even grudge fuck.

yes Ali but even socialists need strong male leadership (Stalin, Castro etc)

I can understand where you are coming from though, had sex with a french socialist recently, man it was bad, bad because it was a hate fuck

[WestCoast]

(02-25-2013 10:53 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 10:42 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 10:35 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Age also plays a part in this. What you want at 20, is different at 30, and at 40. With experience, comes a different perspective on life. Also what are you using women for? Are you using them to validate yourself? A lot of bangs = big stud. Beautiful woman = success. For a man that no longer needs to prove anything to anything what he looks for in woman is very different than one who does.

This is where we disagree.

I think having an "educated cute girl" is more bragging rights than "a hooters cute girl".

If you date a girl who works at hooters, you get reprimanded by society for being a pig. If you date a girl who works at Barclays and is cute, you're "getting a good girl". To me they are the same.

Who cares if she works at hooters, nordstroms, or Safeway.

What I want in my life is just hot sex, fun experience.

If I want a smart conversation, I'll get on the phone and call up a close male friend.

The whole "good catch" thing is nonsense to me. If she is cute and fun, then it's a win. Most educated girls are not fun.

There is no difference to you between these two girls looks being equal?:

Girl #1: Father is worth 30mill and the family owns yachts and 20 Arabian show horses.

Girl #2: Father cooks crystal meth and owns a trailer in Bakersfield.

Taking arguments to the extremes will of course yield that more money is better.

In the regular frame though there really is no difference, imho, between a cute girl making $40K at Safeway or $70K as a consultant for BCG.

I used to date nothing but "educated" girls, ivy/top end schools, now it's all fair game. The opening if my pool has actually pushed me away from going out at places with these educated types, the conversation is the same filtering process.

"How old are you, where do you work, what school, where have you traveled, what did you like about Western Europe, I heard xyz on Bloomberg news" (travels in packs, herd mentality)

Versus grimey fun clubs

"Omg I love this song (grinding/dancing/singing), have you tried xyz drink before" (travel in twos).

Overall, education is no where near on my checklist. Again I believe the whole "educated" aspect is just brainwashing us into thinking it should matter.

When I hear "educated" it makes me think "dick measuring contest". Prestige whores. This of course makes no sense to most people who realize I work on Wall Street, since I have to pretend I give two shits about these things. That should also underscore the bullshit that is prestige and Wall Street. Educated = in what.

[Samseau]

Totally agree Westcoast... Modern education = pure bullshit

[Menace]

Is the choice binary or is it actually a continuum? There is no right answer for anyone, only the right answer for you. Of course one needs to actually understand the difference between what you prefer and what you would prefer if you could have whatever you wanted. It is important not to lie to yourself. Given what I know about women, I think I would prefer a "quality" LTR defined by a combination of looks, femininity, pleasantness, and general compatibility considerations (not education) with semi-frequent side bangs. Also, I think we are implicitly talking about things from a US perspective. If you were living in another country things would be a bit different.

G, the reason that there not many international playboys is because it is actually a difficult lifestyle and requires a strong combination of wealth, looks, game, money, time, and mental strength (an under-appreciated quality). How many people have all of those things firing on all cylinders?

[theIVth]

A few random thoughts that come to mind on this topic:

- most men that I know would gladly trade 5 6's for a solid 8 or 9. Most men that claim they are smashing chicks left and right usually arent smashing high quality chicks, in reality.

- most guys are not "stone cold players". most men are just average guys that have probably had a few girfriends in high school or college, got their notches through social circle or just normal convo at the club or whatever and live normal lives.

- most men dont have time to go out 3 to 4 times a week just to try to approach a bunch of females to facilitate a player-esque lifestyle.

- many men that make it a point to talk about their player lifestyle and cold-hearted approach to trying to get females within the PUA community, from what i can glean from their testimonies, are sometimes guys that used to be straight nerds back in school and were the kind of guys that got blatantly dissed by girls and were made to feel very inferior. they now have "found" themselves and want to make up for lost time by not attaching themselves to any particular female and living a "player" lifestyle that they lowkey feel is their get back. to each his own.

- having sex with women being your only goal in life says a lot about you. removing yourself from your family and friends to go live in some 3rd world country just so you can have an easier time trying to attract women, says a lot about you. your indirectly putting pussy on a pedestal if accomplishing something like starting your own successful business or trying to make it to the league or trying to climb the corporate ladder to VP or becoming a politician etc, is seen as a waste of time simply because you want to chase pussy. you have problems in my opinion.

all that being said, most men would gladly settle down with a nice 8 if they could find one that was down. you cant feasibly chase pussy forever. there's other things to do in life to cement your legacy that dont involve being known as a "player".

[Nomad77]

I believe this is fairly representative of the average guy out there and player.

Personally, I would rather bang a solid 8 eight times than 8 fives one time each.

The same way I would rather drive an Audi A6 for a year rather than drive a different entry level car every month.
Going out getting SNL, unless you happen to work in a job that exposures you to these situations on a regular basis (bartender/DJ), is a lot of work.

BUT, I understand this is the universal Quality vs Quantity debate and that each person will have his own
preference. That's why there are different quality/price points for all products in the marketplace.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 01:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I believe this is fairly representative of the average guy out there and player.

Personally, I would rather bang a solid 8 8 times than 8 fives one time each.

The same way I would rather drive an Audi A6 for a year rather than drive a different entry level car every month.

What about a solid 8 one time or 8 fives all at once?

[presidentcarter]

(02-25-2013 01:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I believe this is fairly representative of the average guy out there and player.

Personally, I would rather bang a solid 8 8 times than 8 fives one time each.

The same way I would rather drive an Audi A6 for a year rather than drive a different entry level car every month.

I wouldn't view it as sacrificing quality for quantity. In fact a lot of the time the most compatible girlfriend is less attractive than what you could pull for a ONS. The girlfriend may be more interesting or even a better lay and that's what makes her gf material. I think in this survey you should assume equal ratings on the 1-10 looks scale.

[Nomad77]

(02-25-2013 01:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I believe this is fairly representative of the average guy out there and player.

Personally, I would rather bang a solid 8 8 times than 8 fives one time each.

The same way I would rather drive an Audi A6 for a year rather than drive a different entry level car every month.

What about a solid 8 one time or 8 fives all at once?

I have had 5 girls ranging from 5 - 7 at one time at a crazy sex party and quite frankly it wasn't that enjoyable. You have to like that kind of sex (orgies) and it's not really my thing.

Now, where I am different is, I would rather bang a 5 who is a sexual 8 than an 8 who is a sexual 5. When it comes to sex I am willing to give up looks for skills and passion.

[rmo]

(02-25-2013 12:18 AM)soup Wrote:  

I want options.

Maybe a great girlfriend, maybe lots of girls of varying quality. I listen to my dick.

I agree

What I have discovered after practicing with game since mid-highschool is that most want the GF out of ease, even though it's far from the truth. They are both equally difficult and require constant work, the strategies are just different.

And I've found that I want options, and I'll keep myself always ready to take the opprotunities offered me.

[Moma]

(02-25-2013 12:50 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

- having sex with women being your only goal in life says a lot about you. removing yourself from your family and friends to go live in some 3rd world country just so you can have an easier time trying to attract women, says a lot about you.

all that being said, most men would gladly settle down with a nice 8 if they could find one that was down. you cant feasibly chase pussy forever. there's other things to do in life to cement your legacy that dont involve being known as a "player".

I agree with most of what you said...but I disagree with the bolded portion. Leaving what friends and family? Do friends and family satisfy the male need to copulate? When these guys move to Russia or Asia or Latin America, can you not get there on a plane? If you live on the West coast of America and your family live on the East, how does it differ seeing as it is a five hour trip to get to see them or vice versa? Must men stay attached to their home city like lemmings? What if you were born and raised in a shytty little bumfcuk town flooded with feminists? You must stay because of 'friends' and 'family'. As men we are conquestadors and we always have been. If you live in the US, you will realise that it is a country of immigrants. Almost everyone's ancestors made a decision to come to the US.
Does that say a lot about their ancestors who chose to leave their friends and family to go to another country?

Why should men struggle for lower quality lizards? Good quality cooperative reptiles are also part of a standard of living.
You speak of family, meeting decent lizards is healthy for hetero males. One can actually start a genuine family with a lizard from a society where being a man still means something. Or stay loyal to your location and endure a high possibilty of being divorce raped by a lizard.

Most men may settle with an 8 if she is down. The big problem is the if.

For a man to spend 600 dollars on a bootcamp means that there is a huge problem with the IF's.

[Nomad77]

(02-25-2013 01:33 PM)rmo Wrote:  

What I have discovered after practicing with game since mid-highschool is that most want the GF out of ease, even though it's far from the truth. They are both equally difficult and require constant work, the strategies are just different.

Yes, even girlfriend requires some work but it's a lot less than being a full-time player.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 02:00 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:33 PM)rmo Wrote:  

What I have discovered after practicing with game since mid-highschool is that most want the GF out of ease, even though it's far from the truth. They are both equally difficult and require constant work, the strategies are just different.

Yes, even girlfriend requires some work but it's a lot less than being a full-time player.

I think this depends on the girl (or girls) involved in the equation.

[Kish]

(02-25-2013 12:50 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

- having sex with women being your only goal in life says a lot about you. removing yourself from your family and friends to go live in some 3rd world country just so you can have an easier time trying to attract women, says a lot about you. your indirectly putting pussy on a pedestal if accomplishing something like starting your own successful business or trying to make it to the league or trying to climb the corporate ladder to VP or becoming a politician etc, is seen as a waste of time simply because you want to chase pussy. you have problems in my opinion.

Are you saying that all of us should just "man up"? Did a fat American girl hack ur account?

[MikeCF]

Both. Girlfriends can be great and strange is awesome.

Tradionally the best men have had a regular and then do their side pieces.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 11:26 AM)Menace Wrote:  

G, the reason that there not many international playboys is because it is actually a difficult lifestyle and requires a strong combination of wealth, looks, game, money, time, and mental strength (an under-appreciated quality). How many people have all of those things firing on all cylinders?

That's my point.

[BadWolf]

Married in China,

I'm sure you guys are tired of hearing this by now but like I said, things are better over here for men. Friends, Family and Feminists can go fvck themselves, I'd rather have my wife and my job here any day. They can come visit me.

Most guys who post about 3rd world countries, have never been outside the USA. Sorry but I gotta say this, the USA is one of the shittiest places on Earth and Americans are always so full of themselves. "we are the best, blah blah blah guns and freedom blah blah blah"... seriously? then why is everyone poverty line and all the feminist sh1t coming out of that country? Corrupt politicians and needing a degree to hold a mail room job? Huge crime rate and murder in the movie theatre... Ya lots of opportunity there to grow... rich get richer, poor get poor and the middle class is disappearing. lol Canada is no better, feminazi paradise, white hating on white... forget that sh1t... my life back home sucks compared to the one I've got here. My wife worships the ground I walk on and we have a great relationship. My little brother is in Germany with his girlfriend, she is a smoking hot blonde 9.9/10. Is it ok for him to travel there to meet a girl but not ok for me to go to China? Got news for you guys, soon the USA is going to be a 3rd world country.

You want women falling at your feet? Pick someone out of your race. That could be hard to do at home because racial mixing is simply NOT encouraged. The women here will throw themselves at you to mix it up. Have 10k in the bank? You can live here for a year or two without worrying. I hate looking at white broads now, they look like trolls, big nosed blobs the lot of them.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDc2MDg4ND...l?s=394825

Damn, yeah... try finding some of these broads at home, not gonna happen.

Not me. Fvck my friends and family, they can goto hell as far as I'm concerned. My mom is a strong, independent, career oriented woman with a 75k/year job. She told me point blank, "don't come back from China without a submissive, nice, Chinese girl, I don't want you marrying someone like me". Mother knows best.

Ok sorry off topic.
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All you can ever afford to look forward to at home is a list of random bangs. At home marriage is a piece of sh1t for any man wanting to have kids and a normal life. I enjoy the chase, sure...but I'd rather have kids with someone I can trust and that trusts me AND that I know inside and out. Random kids with random women is not what I want for my life. My grandfather fought in the front lines in WW2 and he would roll over in his grave if he thought for a minute that I was going to be fvck'n some random ho and leave her with a bunch of illigitemate kids, while I went on running around like a horny dog. He fought for me to have a good life and make a family, I'll fight for them. Family is the way to go.

[Luxe]

Quote:

They mainly want a good girlfriend.

That's partially a marketing thing. It's more socially acceptable to help students find "long-term happiness," rather than violate scores of women.

I voted bangs.

[Lemmo]

A harem of 2-3 seems to be the ideal - the advantage of reliability while maintaining some variety and disposability.

[teh_skeeze]

If it's one thing that game has taught me, it's that I prefer the stability that comes with a steady relationship. It may not be an LTR per se, but just knowing that when I call or make plans there will be a positive response comforts me. Also I have been with "enough" girls. That's not to say that I stop chasing or anything crazy like that. It's just that I know what I want, and the qualities are rare in American women. This country just doesn't breed them anymore.

[theIVth]

Man, you can do what you wanna do.

Muthafuckaz in here talk about being "aloof" and coy to try to not make a chick think that your thirsty for her. Well guess what, if your focus was on becoming something great in life that would make women notice you because of your greatness, you wouldn't have to fake aloofness. You legitimately would be because your focus would genuinely be elsewhere and women complying would just come with the territory.

Michael Jordan has fucked thousands of bitches probably, and it's not because he was chasing them. It's cause his focus was on becoming great and women wanted him because of that. The same can be said for countless numbers of others, big and small, that have become accomplished in their own respects.

Being known as a "player" simply because you work hard at it is not praise worthy in my opinion. Men shouldn't live to chase after and fuck women. You live to find what your great at and women choosing you because of your accomplishments is the way it's supposed to be.

(02-25-2013 03:54 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 12:50 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

- having sex with women being your only goal in life says a lot about you. removing yourself from your family and friends to go live in some 3rd world country just so you can have an easier time trying to attract women, says a lot about you. your indirectly putting pussy on a pedestal if accomplishing something like starting your own successful business or trying to make it to the league or trying to climb the corporate ladder to VP or becoming a politician etc, is seen as a waste of time simply because you want to chase pussy. you have problems in my opinion.

Are you saying that all of us should just "man up"? Did a fat American girl hack ur account?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 11:04 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

Muthafuckaz in here talk about being "aloof" and coy to try to not make a chick think that your thirsty for her. Well guess what, if your focus was on becoming something great in life that would make women notice you because of your greatness, you wouldn't have to fake aloofness. You legitimately would be because your focus would genuinely be elsewhere and women complying would just come with the territory.

Well yeah, that's the whole thing.

Game is "Acting as If" although many people don't want to acknowledge it.

If you keep "Acting as If" pretty soon you "Become".

You Manifesto yourself.