[Nomad77]

I have made it a point, as you see on my tag line, to meet as many guys on here as possible. And the reality is, only a very small minority is doing really well. The vast majority even with decent game is really struggling. To put it another way, 10% of the guys are getting 90% of the pussy while the rest is barely getting any decent stuff!

AND, in this country, I am NOT in that 10%.

[Christian McQueen]

It's not just about racking up numbers for me. I consistently do (new notch on Saturday night with one of the new girls I brought on my client's jet), but it's about one thing:

Does having a committed GF enable me to live the playboy lifestyle?

No.

Problem solved. Within my social circle now it's assumed that I have multiple GFs and it's accepted.

[brianmark]

(02-24-2013 10:46 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:43 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Now, at some point those guys that want a girlfriend may get jaded about relationships and decide they just want to get a lot of bangs. Some may get married, go through the divorce thing and decide to the same thing. However, game is necessary in ALL interactions and relationships with women.

I agree BUT would the type of game used to get a lot of bangs be the right game to use to find a quality girlfriend. Usually, quantity and quality are an inverse relationship.

It's easier to get bangs than girlfriends. It's harder to get higher quality girls. You'd want the girlfriend for the companionship and sex. The best players have harems. Ideally I say the best situation would be the one girlfriend and girls on the side for sexual variety. Having this relationship takes a lot of work and an obsession for women.

[Nonpareil]

I want more than anything to be able to say 'A great girlfriend', but I just can't bring myself to do it.

I've had some LTR experience like most of you have, and maybe it's just me, but at the start of every one I say 'This time, it's going to be different', and for a while it is; I try harder, I invest myself in the 'relationship' and I try to put her first...but then I say 'I don't like this; it's way too much work for the return, and as cool as she is, I can probably find another one fairly easily.' No minor coincidence that my two longest LTRs occurred when I was in my early twenties and I hadn't developed my game too well yet.

Not that one day I won't want to settle down, but I'm young (29), I have game, I keep my appearance game sharp (when at home - China has turned me into a shadow of what I once was but I can still pull) and I know that in the next ten years, I'm entering the male prime; not that I'm 1000% committed to the idea, but at this juncture, many bangs is a more preferable option to a girlfriend.

Ideal situation: a 'girlfriend-caliber' #1 + 3-4 girls on the side.

For now it's bangs, in the foreseeable future, it's bangs, in the far off future, that's when it gets a little cloudy. I'm young, I'm on the up and up, I like the chase and I want to have my fun before I settle down (or is this only okay when women say it?)

"Give me bangs, or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

My mom is a strong, independent, career oriented woman with a 75k/year job. She told me point blank, "don't come back from China without a submissive, nice, Chinese girl, I don't want you marrying someone like me". Mother knows best.

[snoop]

(02-25-2013 02:00 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:33 PM)rmo Wrote:  

What I have discovered after practicing with game since mid-highschool is that most want the GF out of ease, even though it's far from the truth. They are both equally difficult and require constant work, the strategies are just different.

Yes, even girlfriend requires some work but it's a lot less than being a full-time player.

Depends, a strong relationship requires a lot of work on both sides.

Perhaps that why so many are failures, everyone seems to think it is "easier"

[Nomad77]

In my experience and from my observation of my friends it's a lot less work than going out 3 - 4 nights a week trying to pull new stuff.

When you find a girl you have some good chemistry with that's really tough to beat and these girls don't come around that often. I would rather spend my time with someone I have good chemistry with and enjoy being around than banging a new pussy that provides neither - but that's just me.

[Nomad77]

(02-26-2013 02:42 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

It's not just about racking up numbers for me. I consistently do (new notch on Saturday night with one of the new girls I brought on my client's jet), but it's about one thing:

Does having a committed GF enable me to live the playboy lifestyle?

No.

Problem solved. Within my social circle now it's assumed that I have multiple GFs and it's accepted.

No disrespect but you are an outlier McQueen You don't even have to go out looking for girls, you just have to go to work

[snoop]

(02-26-2013 10:20 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

In my experience and from my observation of my friends it's a lot less work than going out 3 - 4 nights a week trying to pull new stuff.

When you find a girl you have some good chemistry with that's really tough to beat and these girls don't come around that often. I would rather spend my time with someone I have good chemistry with and enjoy being around than banging a new pussy that provides neither - but that's just me.

Sure its easy to be in a fun relationship when its new, but it takes a lot of work to keep that going for years or decades

[Nomad77]

(02-26-2013 10:29 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:20 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

In my experience and from my observation of my friends it's a lot less work than going out 3 - 4 nights a week trying to pull new stuff.

When you find a girl you have some good chemistry with that's really tough to beat and these girls don't come around that often. I would rather spend my time with someone I have good chemistry with and enjoy being around than banging a new pussy that provides neither - but that's just me.

Sure its easy to be in a fun relationship when its new, but it takes a lot of work to keep that going for years or decades

And right there is the problem. Who said, a relationship has to last for years or decades? It could last for a few months or a few years. The point isn't even the relationship. For me, when it comes to both men and women, I want to spend my time with people who I enjoy being with. I usually won't bang a girl I don't like because I just don't enjoy it that much.

[Nonpareil]

(02-26-2013 10:20 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

In my experience and from my observation of my friends it's a lot less work than going out 3 - 4 nights a week trying to pull new stuff.

When you find a girl you have some good chemistry with that's really tough to beat and these girls don't come around that often. I would rather spend my time with someone I have good chemistry with and enjoy being around than banging a new pussy that provides neither - but that's just me.

I would say that it's just as hard as it is to do the club grind (3-4 nights a week...though you can augment it with day game and do 1-2, you should be gaming everywhere, there are opportunities as soon as you step foot out the door) and rack numbers as it is to keep a long-term relationship with a high-quality girl up.

Most guys, or at least most guys here, we're sprinters; we build the attraction, we escalate, we treat the girl, but then we get into the relationship, so now what? We know how to keep it going, doing the relationship stuff, boyfriend-girlfriend stuff, but me personally, I get tired of it all after a while (4 LTRs lifetime, at least ten girls that started out at LTR-potential, but fizzled after 3-4 months).

Add to that that high-quality women face a bombardment of male attention everyday, from all sides, and it's just so difficult to keep it together. Truth is, most men are loving life in the first 2-3 months of a new relationship; lots of sex, little responsibility, all around good times, but it's often a different story when you have to get to know someone. It's hard to keep interested in the same person day in and day out, especially when you've heard all their stories and know all of their interests.

For now, bangs, and every so often I'll stumble onto one worth trying it out with, but I think I need to get older, calm down and get things better set up before I'm ready to start a family (the end game), but let's not underestimate the challenge of sustaining a long-term relationship; it's not always easy.

[Nomad77]

I have had it all - all kinds of relationships and experiences. What I can say based on my experience, is that when you have deep chemistry with a woman maintaining a long-term relationship with her is very easy, almost no work at all. How much work do you put in to maintain your relationship with your good male friends? That's about how much work I've put into my LTR with my girlfriends. Now, these are girls I chose very carefully. The most critical factor is that deep chemistry.

[snoop]

(02-26-2013 10:36 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

And right there is the problem. Who said, a relationship has to last for years or decades? It could last for a few months or a few years. The point isn't even the relationship. For me, when it comes to both men and women, I want to spend my time with people who I enjoy being with. I usually won't bang a girl I don't like because I just don't enjoy it that much.

I'm not saying it has to be, but those relationships do exist. So when you said going out looking for new women is harder than a relationship, that is b/c you are leaving out the hardest types of relationships. That's all I was pointing out

[snoop]

(02-26-2013 10:45 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I have had it all - all kinds of relationships and experiences. What I can say based on my experience, is that when you have deep chemistry with a woman maintaining a long-term relationship with her is very easy, almost no work at all. How much work do you put in to maintain your relationship with your good male friends? That's about how much work I've put into my LTR with my girlfriends. Now, these are girls I chose very carefully. The most critical factor is that deep chemistry.

A pretty decent amount actually.

I've lost count of how much time and money I've spent maintaining friendships. Weddings, birthdays, children, bachelor parties, graduations, celebrating work achievements, rides to/from the airport, helping with things like moving, etc.

I guess you are using "work" as a term with a negative meaning, while I'm using it more as "effort"

going out 3-5 times a week is easy for me. That's fun, it requires no consideration for anyone but myself. Maintaining strong freindships and relationships often requires me to do things that wouldn't be my choice but I do them to maintain the value of the relationship.

[theIVth]

I think the average to above average guy that didnt start out at the bottom of the totem pole: the guy who could always get some female attention, always had girls flirting with him, was reasonably popular, played sports, well rounded etc, gets tired of chasing women after a while.

If you've been dealing with girls since you were around 13 or 14- kissing them, fingering them, smashing them, running trains on them, getting drunk with them, partying with them, vibing with them, getting dissed by them, getting rumors started about you by them, smashing their best friend or sister etc, you can only progress in life to eventually finding one that you want to settle down with at some point. Shit gets old after a while. Cause like I said, most guys are not smashing straight dimes every night. A true 8 or 9 coming around that wants to fuck with you is rare for the average man. Dealing with average to cute chicks gets stale after so many years.

Im 29 and Ive dealt with all kinds of women in all kinds of scenarios and relationships. Eventually your interests turns to other things like wanting to start a business or get into real estate or start messing with the stock market or whatever. Stuff that requires dedication and focus and time. Chasing women, going out 3 to 4 nights a week, constantly pressuring yourself to holler at every decent looking chick you see, always having to be on every time you leave the house gets tiring after a while. Ive been doing that since I was like 15.

I guess you just mature after a while and your able to say "ive been there and done that."

[WestCoast]

(02-26-2013 10:59 AM)theIVth Wrote:  

I think the average to above average guy that didnt start out at the bottom of the totem pole: the guy who could always get some female attention, always had girls flirting with him, was reasonably popular, played sports, well rounded etc, gets tired of chasing women after a while.

If you've been dealing with girls since you were around 13 or 14- kissing them, fingering them, smashing them, running trains on them, getting drunk with them, partying with them, vibing with them, getting dissed by them, getting rumors started about you by them, smashing their best friend or sister etc, you can only progress in life to eventually finding one that you want to settle down with at some point. Shit gets old after a while. Cause like I said, most guys are not smashing straight dimes every night. A true 8 or 9 coming around that wants to fuck with you is rare for the average man. Dealing with average to cute chicks gets stale after so many years.

Im 29 and Ive dealt with all kinds of women in all kinds of scenarios and relationships. Eventually your interests turns to other things like wanting to start a business or get into real estate or start messing with the stock market or whatever. Stuff that requires dedication and focus and time. Chasing women, going out 3 to 4 nights a week, constantly pressuring yourself to holler at every decent looking chick you see, always having to be on every time you leave the house gets tiring after a while. Ive been doing that since I was like 15.

I guess you just mature after a while and your able to say "ive been there and done that."

I don't know how all that experience would make you want to settle down? If anything it makes you realize settling down is a complete and utter waste of time. Sleeping with girls with boyfriends, girls that are married, seeing your top wingman sleep with a girl on her engagement day while you're banging her friend in the house, seeing all your older buddies get cheated on and seeing them cheat on their wives? Not sure how that makes sense.

Another overlooked point is getting good at cold approaching makes your social skills improve substantially, you can game your boss/office to get promotions. It's significantly harder to convince a stranger to trust you than a direct reference so when you game your office and also have a rec to back you it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

With that said I agree that your major focus in life should not be chasing tail, but that last leap of faith is tough...

Everyone has their own sliding scale of 1 sight versus two sevens or whatever the hell, but settle down? That's like shoving all your hard work down the toilet in a 50/50 bet where there is only downside. No thanks to that one, I'd rather risk being "old and bitter" since that's the argument all my loser colleagues use when they hit 35 and look 47 down $500K in assets from a divorce... Or two.

As the saying goes, "who do you trust?"... "Who do I trust... Me that's fucking who" is the only answer.

[snoop]

(02-26-2013 11:39 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I don't know how all that experience would make you want to settle down? If anything it makes you realize settling down is a complete and utter waste of time. Sleeping with girls with boyfriends, girls that are married, seeing your top wingman sleep with a girl on her engagement day while you're banging her friend in the house, seeing all your older buddies get cheated on and seeing them cheat on their wives? Not sure how that makes sense.

This goes back to what I said about relationships requiring a lot more work.....IME most of those situations happen b/c someone in that relationship stopped putting in the work.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-26-2013 11:39 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:59 AM)theIVth Wrote:  

I think the average to above average guy that didnt start out at the bottom of the totem pole: the guy who could always get some female attention, always had girls flirting with him, was reasonably popular, played sports, well rounded etc, gets tired of chasing women after a while.

If you've been dealing with girls since you were around 13 or 14- kissing them, fingering them, smashing them, running trains on them, getting drunk with them, partying with them, vibing with them, getting dissed by them, getting rumors started about you by them, smashing their best friend or sister etc, you can only progress in life to eventually finding one that you want to settle down with at some point. Shit gets old after a while. Cause like I said, most guys are not smashing straight dimes every night. A true 8 or 9 coming around that wants to fuck with you is rare for the average man. Dealing with average to cute chicks gets stale after so many years.

Im 29 and Ive dealt with all kinds of women in all kinds of scenarios and relationships. Eventually your interests turns to other things like wanting to start a business or get into real estate or start messing with the stock market or whatever. Stuff that requires dedication and focus and time. Chasing women, going out 3 to 4 nights a week, constantly pressuring yourself to holler at every decent looking chick you see, always having to be on every time you leave the house gets tiring after a while. Ive been doing that since I was like 15.

I guess you just mature after a while and your able to say "ive been there and done that."

I don't know how all that experience would make you want to settle down? If anything it makes you realize settling down is a complete and utter waste of time. Sleeping with girls with boyfriends, girls that are married, seeing your top wingman sleep with a girl on her engagement day while you're banging her friend in the house, seeing all your older buddies get cheated on and seeing them cheat on their wives? Not sure how that makes sense.

Another overlooked point is getting good at cold approaching makes your social skills improve substantially, you can game your boss/office to get promotions. It's significantly harder to convince a stranger to trust you than a direct reference so when you game your office and also have a rec to back you it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

With that said I agree that your major focus in life should not be chasing tail, but that last leap of faith is tough...

Everyone has their own sliding scale of 1 sight versus two sevens or whatever the hell, but settle down? That's like shoving all your hard work down the toilet in a 50/50 bet where there is only downside. No thanks to that one, I'd rather risk being "old and bitter" since that's the argument all my loser colleagues use when they hit 35 and look 47 down $500K in assets from a divorce... Or two.

As the saying goes, "who do you trust?"... "Who do I trust... Me that's fucking who" is the only answer.

True.

Quote:

Chasing women, going out 3 to 4 nights a week

But here is the thing, some of us actually enjoy seducing women.

[WestCoast]

Just so I'm clear here the post above was not meant to be bitter at all. Deep down I truly believe monogamy is not natural at all.

Sleeping with a girl who has a boyfriend is no different than sleeping with a girl who is single, both parties are just trying to find someone that they are attracted to.

Nothing to be sad about.

[Nomad77]

(02-26-2013 10:54 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:45 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I have had it all - all kinds of relationships and experiences. What I can say based on my experience, is that when you have deep chemistry with a woman maintaining a long-term relationship with her is very easy, almost no work at all. How much work do you put in to maintain your relationship with your good male friends? That's about how much work I've put into my LTR with my girlfriends. Now, these are girls I chose very carefully. The most critical factor is that deep chemistry.

A pretty decent amount actually.

I've lost count of how much time and money I've spent maintaining friendships. Weddings, birthdays, children, bachelor parties, graduations, celebrating work achievements, rides to/from the airport, helping with things like moving, etc.

I guess you are using "work" as a term with a negative meaning, while I'm using it more as "effort"

going out 3-5 times a week is easy for me. That's fun, it requires no consideration for anyone but myself. Maintaining strong freindships and relationships often requires me to do things that wouldn't be my choice but I do them to maintain the value of the relationship.

Don't you play in a band or something? So going out is part of your job right? If it is, then you are able to combine both work and play. Makes things a bit easier.

[lush1]

I dunno... if I'm honest I'd probably say girlfriend purely because its just less hassle and it involves wasting less time talking to vaccuous morons.

Sorry if this comes across as game denialist but people on here preach about using your time wisely, developing and improving yourself as a man etc but to me the act of spending half your life chatting meaningless shit with idiots sort of contradicts this ethos. I suspect that having one cool intelligent girl that can stimulate and inspire you might do more to assist you on your path to wisdom/achievement than hanging round with mall rats all day.

Please don't ban me for this!

[WestCoast]

(02-26-2013 03:01 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

I dunno... if I'm honest I'd probably say girlfriend purely because its just less hassle and it involves wasting less time talking to vaccuous morons.

Sorry if this comes across as game denialist but people on here preach about using your time wisely, developing and improving yourself as a man etc but to me the act of spending half your life chatting meaningless shit with idiots sort of contradicts this ethos. I suspect that having one cool intelligent girl that can stimulate and inspire you might do more to assist you on your path to wisdom/achievement than hanging round with mall rats all day.

Please don't ban me for this!

Seriously have me in tears laughing over here, no hate though I had this exact same belief several years ago.

"Behind every great man is a great woman" nah correction

"Behind every great man is a lot of women trying to ride on his coat tails"

"Show me a dime piece and I'll show you a guy tired of fucking her" - credit MikeCF

[lush1]

(02-26-2013 03:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:01 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

I dunno... if I'm honest I'd probably say girlfriend purely because its just less hassle and it involves wasting less time talking to vaccuous morons.

Sorry if this comes across as game denialist but people on here preach about using your time wisely, developing and improving yourself as a man etc but to me the act of spending half your life chatting meaningless shit with idiots sort of contradicts this ethos. I suspect that having one cool intelligent girl that can stimulate and inspire you might do more to assist you on your path to wisdom/achievement than hanging round with mall rats all day.

Please don't ban me for this!

Seriously have me in tears laughing over here, no hate though I had this exact same belief several years ago.

"Behind every great man is a great woman" nah correction

"Behind every great man is a lot of women trying to ride on his coat tails"

"Show me a dime piece and I'll show you a guy tired of fucking her" - credit MikeCF

I know what you're saying but to say that out of 3 billion women there isn't one who's decent is delusionary. Whether or not you'll meet one is another question but in an ideal world i'd rather meet this cool girl than plough through endless shit.

[WestCoast]

(02-26-2013 03:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:01 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

I dunno... if I'm honest I'd probably say girlfriend purely because its just less hassle and it involves wasting less time talking to vaccuous morons.

Sorry if this comes across as game denialist but people on here preach about using your time wisely, developing and improving yourself as a man etc but to me the act of spending half your life chatting meaningless shit with idiots sort of contradicts this ethos. I suspect that having one cool intelligent girl that can stimulate and inspire you might do more to assist you on your path to wisdom/achievement than hanging round with mall rats all day.

Please don't ban me for this!

Seriously have me in tears laughing over here, no hate though I had this exact same belief several years ago.

"Behind every great man is a great woman" nah correction

"Behind every great man is a lot of women trying to ride on his coat tails"

"Show me a dime piece and I'll show you a guy tired of fucking her" - credit MikeCF

I know what you're saying but to say that out of 3 billion women there isn't one who's decent is delusionary. Whether or not you'll meet one is another question but in an ideal world i'd rather meet this cool girl than plough through endless shit.

That's not what I really mean. Anyone on here can get a good looking girl that they like who is loyal etc.

I would actually argue anyone can get what you just described with 1 year of full on game hard work.

The real issue is to get to that level you have to be pretty good with women... Then when you're good with women you realize well I can always just get a new girl instead of dealing with this relationship... So the cycle begins, you end up quitting on it because there really is no point, start up a new one... Etc. it's more of like seasons in sports. One ends one begins. Just without the financial loss. Each one is just a fun new experience like the next season of hoops.

But yeah I'm not the best guy to take advice from in terms of settling down, that entire idea is dead to me now. Short term flings are fine, the 1 year mark starts to get real nasty.

When you live a life of hedonism in a country that is all about massochistic views, you'll benefit, messed up culture the USA is.

[Nomad77]

Again, I feel compelled to clarify some things here:

1. By relationship I am not talking about a lifetime here. A relationship can last from a few months to years. When it stops working, start a new one.

2. I am not talking about a bad relationship or a messed up woman. Obviously, either of those is going to be worse than having no relationship.

3. Whoever believes that being in a good LTR requires more work or just as much as going out gaming most of the week either has never been in a good LTR or is Don Juan/Casanova resurrected.