Quote: (12-13-2012 02:07 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Earlier today, Roosh posted the video below in his Twitter feed. These are American girls dancing on one of those music TV shows in 1969. Ever since I saw it, it's had my hamster going at a million. I've watched five times, even though it fills me with a melancholic feeling I can't entirely describe.

I could write paragraphs about it, but I don't need to with this group.

Quick Observations:

1. No tattoos.
2. Thin, even skinny.
3. Longer hair (on average).
4. Natural and sexy (but unskanky) look.
5. Subtly feminine aura that's near-impossible to describe.
6. Better music.

American Girls in 2012

   

   

   

The Youthquake movement presented an idealized world. But it wasn't the real 1960s. It only lived in fashion magazines and other controlled media.

Meanwhile, there were still hop heads.



1960s feminists weren't very feminine.



And of course, Mama Cass. Who was a sex symbol in the 1960s somehow.





There was also some weird thing where women who obviously didn't need bras were burning them. The flat chested gal holding the microphone? WTF?

Quote: (12-13-2012 07:32 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

It's easy to say that you can never never be happy in an LTR. With how things are in the West and how the rest of the world is following settling down looks like a poor bet.

This is such a firmly held belief around here and it's starting to look like groupthink. Maybe it's right, but even so it's worth thinking about critically and looking at both sides.

As someone who's older, and who has always had strong pair-bonding circuitry, and also looking at history and the widespread and cross-cultural occurrence of LTR such as marriage; I can say LTRs are here to stay for a large percentage of the population. To make a good counter-argument you'd have to point out a culture without LTR in history. I don't know enough about anthropology to say if there was one.

I think people who have somewhat different neurology and prefer more novelty sometimes feel shamed by the LTR conservatives like myself and try to make an argument that all LTR is impossible etc.

I don't judge either preference, the important thing is to really understand what will make you happy.

Also, we should realize the girls in that video were almost certainly cherry-picked by male producers, although obesity was much less widespread in the population then.

Quote: (12-15-2012 12:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-14-2012 11:51 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (12-14-2012 11:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Man this thread depresses the fuck outta me.

It depresses you? It's already affected my actual approaches. I was talking to these two chicks earlier today and this thread crossed my mind. The chicks were okay, but when I started thinking of what I was settling for, they went way-the-fuck-down. The disgusting blue-haired monster I posted above didn't help matters either. I mean, I knew the reality in the abstract, but the juxtaposition was deadly.

Dude, I'm really lucky because my dancing game gets me girls below 21. I get to bang 18-19-20 year olds. So when I see this video, I'm only depressed because thankfully I can still pull girls who look better than those girls.

But when I realize those were just average girls doing their thing, all around the age of 24, then I have my realization.

It is so difficult to target the younger demographic in the US because of how few there are, how high in demand there are, and when I realize what most men have to settle for, I just feel bad about everything.

And it's not even like I get to score a young cutie every week. It's more like every other week because of how few of them are around, and how many of them are corrupted (fatness, feminism, or blind careerism).

I think of all the huge natural advantages I have in the game, and I realize if I were alive back in the 1960's I would have crushed so much hot pussy it wouldn't have been funny. Then I think of how much effort I put in today to get what I can, and compare it to most other guys my age who get NOTHING except from a bunch of used up, older sluts past 25 - and I'm just completely hopeless.

Roissy was wrong. Even if every man learns game, it's not going to save men. There's going to be winners and losers in this zero-sum game and most men are fucked.

And this is the crux of the situation -

If I couldn't get some tight young snatch, what would be the point of gaming girls? I can't even imagine gaming a woman past the age of 25, makes my head hurt. I have banged women over 25, but that was before I was good at the game.

Now when I meet an older girl, I realize I would be better off with masturbation. It's THAT unappealing to me, and this thread doesn't help.

I think game is on it's deathbed. Without a supply of hot young girls, who the fuck is gonna spend time on this shit?

Samseau, just curious, how old are you? And at what point do you think it's going to be difficult to get early 20s girls?

Not going to share my age on this forum. As for when it becomes difficult to get early 20's girls, who knows? There are always plenty of girls who love older men, and some men age much slower than others.

My point wasn't that it will be impossible for men to get younger women because of the age difference, but because how insanely difficult it is to access these types of girls, and that the falling birthrates are destroying the supply of fresh hot young girls.

I can tell you that 33 is not the age where it's difficult to get late teens and early 20s women.

At least in EE/SA.

Quote: (12-18-2012 01:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

because how insanely difficult it is to access these types of girls

I respectfully disagree.

Younger girls are the easiest to access. Go to any major university. They gather by the thousands. Literally, thousands of girls between 18-24, ALL IN ONE LOCATION! During the day, no need to even go out at night!

What other age group gathers publically in such large numbers?

Go to a party -- You might have 5-10 targets.

Go to a bar/club -- You might have 10-20 targets.

Go to a concert -- You might have 200-300 targets.

Go to a major university -- You might have 5,000-10,000 targets.

Living within a few blocks of the university and you are now in logistical heaven with access to endless amounts of these girls.

And every year, a fresh supply of recent high school grads will move into your neighborhood!!! By the thousands!

I'm 37, I recently banged and 18yo and a 21yo.

If you look youthful, have decent game, and approach alot of them, you will get results.

Many of them love older men

I think it will be hard for me to pull college girls when I get into my late 40's. Then I will move to Russia or Columbia or SEA.

I just banged a college girl last Saturday that is 16 years younger than me. Chic isn't even old enough to be at a bar. She never asked my age but I suspect she knows I'm much older. But I don't know if she realizes just how much older I am. Whatever the case, it doesn't seem to bother her. She is actually quite mature and intelligent for her age so I didn't feel like I was hanging around someone I couldn't relate to or enjoy being around. Total sweetheart too.

Other than looks, what makes older women undesirable to me is their jaded attitude and all the baggage of broken hearts and cynicism that comes with over a decade of casual sex.

You guys are exceptions to the rule - average guy doesn't even come close to what you both get.

And Gio - as long as you live on a college campus you can access young girls - I rest my case. Probably 85% of American men live outside of college towns, and within big cities finding these girls is like finding that needle in a haystack.

Out of curiosity, Speakeasy, where did you meet your chick?

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Out of curiosity, Speakeasy, where did you meet your chick?

Nowhere special, she was a friend of someone else I met. We just had a good vibe talking and I took her number.

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You guys are exceptions to the rule - average guy doesn't even come close to what you both get.

That's because "the average guy" doesn't try hard enough to get these girls! The average guy doesn't formulate a game plan designed specifically to get these girls. (18-24)

A serious game plan to get younger girls. For example, finding the nearest major university, going there consistently and approaching girls, keeping your appearance youthful, staying somewhat aware of pop culture, practicing talking to younger women, adjusting your fashion for a younger crowd, etc.

Just going out to the local bar or club is often not enough. Yes, you can occasionally find a young girl in these places, but with thousands of these girls waiting at your local university, why wouldn't you go there?.

I am an "average guy". But, I refuse to believe that I can't date a much younger girl. I am only 37, I look 30, I know an 18yo can be attracted to a 30yo. It's really no big deal, you just gotta put yourself around them and talk to them.

Seriously, I think you said you are in a big city. There has to be at least a few universities, colleges, community colleges, art schools, etc., in that city.

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

within big cities finding these girls is like finding that needle in a haystack.

No college girls in the big cities?

LA -- ucla, usc, loyola-maramount, pepperdine, cal-states la, fullerton, northridge, long beach.

San Diego -- ucsd, sd state, u of sd.

Dallas -- tcu, smu, ut-dallas.

Chicago --depaul, csu, loyola, u of chi, valpo, n. illinois

Boston --bu, bc, harvard, northeastern, tufts.

New York -- plenty

Find the nearest major university. Go and approach 10 girls, you will get 2-5 numbers, you will get 1-2 dates, you will get laid.

That easy! I promise you. If not within the first 10 approaches then definitely within approach 11-20!

I will fly out and help you do this if you pay for my plane ticket.

Quote: (12-19-2012 03:41 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Find the nearest major university. Go and approach 10 girls, you will get 2-5 numbers, you will get 1-2 dates, you will get laid.

That easy! I promise you. If not within the first 10 approaches then definitely within approach 11-20!

This is what I'm talking about man, most guys cannot do this (with or without you). I'm not saying this is a bad thing, by the way. I'm merely pointing out that this kind of game is much too difficult and too time consuming for the average guy who works a job.

So it's a "needle in the haystack" to find these university girls because most men can't go on a campus they don't live near (because of their job) and spend 1-2 hours approaching women he has shitty logistics to date with.

And numbers from university girls? Dude that's just a waste of time. You aren't going to be nailing the cute 18-20 crowds but getting a number, girls that age basically only have casual sex.

It's great that experienced and dedicated men can get laid all the time, but right now game is very inaccessible for the average guy and it's only going to get worse (my original lamentations).

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

this kind of game is much too difficult and too time consuming for the average guy who works a job.

It's really not as hard as it seems.

Time consuming? I can approach 4-8 girls in one hour.

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

most men can't go on a campus they don't live near (because of their job) and spend 1-2 hours approaching women he has shitty logistics to date with

Well, if a man is not willing to go to a university for 1-2 hours to game college girls, then he shouldn't complain about not banging them. If you don't work hard and sacrifice, you can't expect results.

I don't use my job as an excuse. You can go to the university on nights and weekends also.

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And numbers from university girls? Dude that's just a waste of time.

How do you know this if you don't day game on college campuses?

This number led to a bang.

So did this one

And this one.

I've even had girls take me to their dorm room.

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

game is very inaccessible for the average guy and it's only going to get worse

I don't know why you feel this way?

Game is accessible to any American man, he just has to read this forum and start talking to girls!

There are beautiful women all over the place. Most men are not talking to them. Most men are not trying very hard. Most men don't have a game plan. There are plenty of girls out there. All we have to do is talk to them.

The "average guy" just needs to make a little effort and actually work on his game and put himself in target rich environments.

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(my original lamentations).

I read this post.. 

You said you are banging an 18, 19, or 20 year old every 2 weeks:

Quote: (12-15-2012 12:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And it's not even like I get to score a young cutie every week.  It's more like every other week 

So, you are banging 20-30 young girls (under 21) per year. That's more then most guys will bang their whole lives!

Then you say stuff like this:

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

finding these girls is like finding that needle in a haystack.

Quote: (12-18-2012 01:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

because how insanely difficult it is to access these types of girls

If you are banging one every other week, it must not be that hard to find them.

And, you admit that your game wasn't as good a few years back, so, you are living proof that game is alive and well.

If guys did my day game and your night game they would be swimming in young pussy! Accessibility would not an issue!

I do understand what Giovanny is saying, but I believe you'd have to construct a lifestyle around the university to get gains from it. Maybe working at the university, living there, or taking classes there. It seems more of a niche.

Quote: (12-19-2012 05:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(my original lamentations).

I read this post.. 

You said you are banging an 18, 19, or 20 year old every 2 weeks:

Quote: (12-15-2012 12:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And it's not even like I get to score a young cutie every week.  It's more like every other week 

So, you are banging 20-30 young girls (under 21) per year. That's more then most guys will bang their whole lives!

Then you say stuff like this:

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

finding these girls is like finding that needle in a haystack.

Quote: (12-18-2012 01:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

because how insanely difficult it is to access these types of girls

If you are banging one every other week, it must not be that hard to find them.

And, you admit that your game wasn't as good a few years back, so, you are living proof that game is alive and well.

If guys did my day game and your night game they would be swimming in young pussy! Accessibility would not an issue!

Samseau, you are kind of all over the map on this one.

Gio has a great point with this.

Who doesn't live near a college campus?

Go up there and use the library. Tons of girls.

I used to go and chill in a wife beater and spark up cigarettes in front of the girls dorm. Girls would open me.

My problem with college campuses is that the girls seem way worse quality from my college days.

I have to go to high end gigs, and stay in neighborhoods with fly girls.

With College you just have to trim too much fat (so to speak).

Also, not all college campuses are equal. Some are just made for you to approach with an abundance of common areas, and others not much.

I'm living next to a univeristy right now. Libraries are hilariously empty, and there is no good common area where I can camp out. Outside most girls are in packs. I get five times more opportunities at the mall.

Quote: (12-19-2012 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (12-19-2012 05:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (12-19-2012 04:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(my original lamentations).

I read this post.. 

You said you are banging an 18, 19, or 20 year old every 2 weeks:

Quote: (12-15-2012 12:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And it's not even like I get to score a young cutie every week.  It's more like every other week 

So, you are banging 20-30 young girls (under 21) per year. That's more then most guys will bang their whole lives!

First off, those girls only come every two weeks when semester is in. Winter and summer breaks - fuck no. Summer's can be hilariously dry.

Second off, I didn't mean score as "getting laid" - I would have said getting laid. I simply meant I pull a girl out of the venue. Right now I'm at 50-60% conversion with fucking these chicks if I can get them in my room, and I'm really working hard on my bedroom game. Gonna try to get that number above 80%, I think it is possible.

Also, as always, there are hot streaks and dry spells. For the month of October/November it was pretty much a non-stop fuck fest, and then as the semester wound down fewer new girls started coming to the dances as they stayed in to study and get good grades (because the dance I like to attend is held on a weeknight).

Finally, my number for the year would be closer to 20 girls if I didn't get into relationships that span around 1-5 months each. I've had 3 this past year. And it's not like I even try to stay faithful - I'm always looking to cheat and I usually cheat at least once - but generally when a girl is into me and we bang often it pretty much destroys my motivation for new pussy.

I don't mind, because I'm not a notchcount kind of guy. I could care less how many girls I bang. I simply bang as my desire for women dictates.

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Then you say stuff like this:

Quote: (12-18-2012 06:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

finding these girls is like finding that needle in a haystack.

Quote: (12-18-2012 01:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

because how insanely difficult it is to access these types of girls

If you are banging one every other week, it must not be that hard to find them.

And, you admit that your game wasn't as good a few years back, so, you are living proof that game is alive and well.

My game wasn't nearly as good a few years back - like when I joined the forum - but here's the difference:

I know what I've achieved isn't possible for all men to achieve. I believe the game is zero-sum, in that the total amount of alpha males will never exceed a certain small percentage, such as around 15-20% of all men.

And, just as with wealth is distributed in the united states, where the top .01% make 20% of the cash, I believe it is the same with women - the tip top alphas score a ridiculous amount of poon, whereas the lower ranked alphas only get a fraction compared to the top alphas.

But even the lower ranked alphas look like millionaires in comparison to most betas.

So when you combine the zero-sum nature of the game with the degradation of the American female, both in quality and quantity, you have a very ominous looking future.

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If guys did my day game and your night game they would be swimming in young pussy! Accessibility would not an issue!

If every guy in the world started doing what we told them to, then it would render our game ineffective. For example, picking up girls from bars was big back in the 90's and 2000's, but today - not even close. High-end bars especially have become nothing more than a place for rich men to try and show off with bottle-service.

Game for the most part works because few men actually do it and find a niche where they can shine - i.e. your fishbowl theory.

However, I don't need to worry about every guy in the world copying our game styles, since most men don't even believe the info that is written on these boards, they think we're all a bunch of liars and fakers.

And the ones who do believe are also very unlikely to go out and practice game for an extended period of time. Pretty much to be good at the game you need a personality and motivation that is found in 1 out of every 100 guys.

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Samseau, you are kind of all over the map on this one.

Gio has a great point with this.

Who doesn't live near a college campus?

Go up there and use the library. Tons of girls.

I used to go and chill in a wife beater and spark up cigarettes in front of the girls dorm. Girls would open me.

My problem with college campuses is that the girls seem way worse quality from my college days.

I have to go to high end gigs, and stay in neighborhoods with fly girls.

With College you just have to trim too much fat (so to speak).

Oh yeah, just because a girl is young doesn't mean she's hot. Not even close.

But at the dances I attend, at the bare minimum there will be fewer fat chicks, and girls tend to go by themselves. Thus dancing venues are a way to trim the fat without doing any work myself.

Also, one of the dances I attend is frequented by girls from an female-only college... now this is a great way to get laid. Girls from all-girl schools have consistently put out immediately when I get them in my room, zero LMR. Problem is, this all-girls school is a solid 40 minutes out from the city, so few girls from the school actually make the effort to go out and dance.

Quote: (12-19-2012 10:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I do understand what Giovanny is saying, but I believe you'd have to construct a lifestyle around the university to get gains from it. Maybe working at the university, living there, or taking classes there. It seems more of a niche.

Of course, it is a niche, and you have to put time in.

It's no different then Roosh's night game. You have to live close to the night life (logistics), you have to go out a couple nights a week for a few hours, you have to approach hard.

Thats the exact same thing I do, except during sunlight hours.

Roosh's lifestyle is constructed for night game. My lifestyle is constructed for day game. The only difference is the time of day that we operate.

Roosh chooses to live near target rich bars, I choose to live near large university.

I take day game as serious as Roosh takes night game. Okay, maybe not as serious as Roosh's night game but I'm trying.

Quote: (12-19-2012 11:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also, not all college campuses are equal. Some are just made for you to approach with an abundance of common areas, and others not much.

Yes, some colleges suck for approaching, some are great. Some have the types of girls we like, some don't.

Just like bars and clubs.

Quote: (12-19-2012 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I have to go to high end gigs, and stay in neighborhoods with fly girls.

You want to be at the expensive schools. UCLA, USC, NYU, U of TEXAS, etc,

Though, I'm sure you would like it at U of Miami, U of Florida, U of Arizona, U of Georgia, etc.

Obesity is not an issue among the young females of the upper class.

Obesity strikes harder in the lower and working class demographics.

Young, rich girls stay skinny!

Quote: (12-19-2012 02:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I believe the game is zero-sum, in that the total amount of alpha males will never exceed a certain small percentage, such as around 15-20% of all men.

Quote: (12-19-2012 02:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game for the most part works because few men actually do it and find a niche where they can shine

Quote: (12-19-2012 02:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

you need a personality and motivation that is found in 1 out of every 100 guys.

Agreed. Most men do not have to motivation and desire to really improve their game. Most men are lazy. Most men are wallowing in self-doubt. Most men will stay beta forever.

They are not willing to put in the necessary work to get results.

For the guys who actually do work hard on improving their game, this is good news!

There is very little competition!!!

You are only competing against 10%-20% of guys. The other 80%-90% are home jerking off or playing fantasy football with their friends.

Even more reason to start working on your game!

Whatever works for the individual. Day, night, online, whatever. Just Do It!!!

You will be doing something that most men are afraid to do!

Quote:Giovinny Wrote:

last 2 posts

I got to a very shitty place to bang girls, a community college, and compared to living in a major city it's heaven. I've been "cool guy" simply by having a vehicle, having done something with my life, and having more balls than the candyasses around me. I'm not even a particularly ripped or huge guy, but compared to 99% of the rest of the school I'm huge. So you're doing good if you're cooler, in better shape, and have more game than this:

That's a great dorm room story Gio (post 91). Were people staring when you were walking around the dorms? Do you really look like the guy from RHCP?

Amazing song. Glorious video. Brilliant thread.