Quote: (03-15-2019 09:28 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

Has to be said but there is so much comedy gold in his manifesto, my favorite parts:

"I worked for a short time before making some money investing in
Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel."

"Were you taught violence and extremism by video
games,music,literature,cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me
to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies."

"Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views
helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over
meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the
extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. "

Not to mention sticking in a 4chan copy pasta right in the middle of it and the media took it at face value and actually reported him being a Navy Seal with 300+ confirmed kills lewl (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta)

From the video the subscribe to pewdiepie thing was genius, what better platform to give you exposure than pewdiepies channel, by saying that now pewdiepie is forced to do a video on it.

It's almost as if an Antifa Liberal loser sat down and figured out, what big figures on the right can I smear the most to shift blame for what I am about to do.

Candace Owens has nothing to do with far right ideology. If anything she is still a black woman and is slightly right of center. Pewdiepie is just a gamer who recently got redpilled on European Immigration stuff and is now making memes about it. Correct me if I am wrong, but he does not actually advocate violence in any way or fashion?

Slandering the Yellow Vests is a bit foul too, but French people by nature protest with a bit of violence...but most of the violence I have seen in the Yellow Vest protests have been mostly from the French police hurting them. I do not follow it closely enough to know if what I saw was biased though.

The only thing this idiot did not do was list out Ben Shapiro, Vox, Black Pigeon, etc.e etc. Either way singling out Candace is just fucking odd. She probably feels pretty shitty right now. That's like someone going on a killing spree and listing me as their inspiration instead of Leonard, or the others similar to him here. I would be super fucking salty about that, won't even lie.

Founding farters would be dining on a buffet of fast food and watching streaming porn in between Netflix. ie the environment would have made them low T cucks like most western men.

Quote: (03-15-2019 10:43 AM)Savonarola Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2019 09:51 AM)Oak Wrote:  

But if the founding fathers and other great men of european history were alive today, they would be rounding up armies and mass-murdering anyone on their land who isn't a 'white person of good character'.

Bro, this is horseshit.
The Founding Fathers would not be mass-murdering anybody.
Your little theory also ignores the presence of white trash, or "waste people", as they were known back in colonial era.
But (nice teacher voice) thank you for your contribution to the thread! All opinions are equally valid! lolllz

It was nothing Candace said. Shooter was just another ugly ginger obsessed with exotic women.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:02 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2019 09:28 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

Has to be said but there is so much comedy gold in his manifesto, my favorite parts:

"I worked for a short time before making some money investing in
Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel."

"Were you taught violence and extremism by video
games,music,literature,cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me
to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies."

"Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views
helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over
meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the
extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. "

Not to mention sticking in a 4chan copy pasta right in the middle of it and the media took it at face value and actually reported him being a Navy Seal with 300+ confirmed kills lewl (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta)

From the video the subscribe to pewdiepie thing was genius, what better platform to give you exposure than pewdiepies channel, by saying that now pewdiepie is forced to do a video on it.

It's almost as if an Antifa Liberal loser sat down and figured out, what big figures on the right can I smear the most to shift blame for what I am about to do.

Candace Owens has nothing to do with far right ideology. If anything she is still a black woman and is slightly right of center. Pewdiepie is just a gamer who recently got redpilled on European Immigration stuff and is now making memes about it. Correct me if I am wrong, but he does not actually advocate violence in any way or fashion?

Slandering the Yellow Vests is a bit foul too, but French people by nature protest with a bit of violence...but most of the violence I have seen in the Yellow Vest protests have been mostly from the French police hurting them. I do not follow it closely enough to know if what I saw was biased though.

The only thing this idiot did not do was list out Ben Shapiro, Vox, Black Pigeon, etc.e etc. Either way singling out Candace is just fucking odd. She probably feels pretty shitty right now. That's like someone going on a killing spree and listing me as their inspiration instead of Leonard, or the others similar to him here. I would be super fucking salty about that, won't even lie.

Quote: (03-15-2019 10:53 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Was there even any blood, splattered body parts, etc.. in that back room? you know with supposedly 25+ guys shot up? I didn't see any blood on the wall or pools of blood, or any exit wounds on the bodies.

I saw some but it's pretty grainy. The guys at the front he killed with the shotgun and the guy that rushed him had significant blood losses. I think they got clipped in the neck and head area though.

[quote] (03-14-2019 10:30 PM)Orson Wrote:  

[quote='Sp5' pid='1952346' dateline='1552619231']

QUESTION "Were/are you a fascist?

"Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China." (Emphasis added.)

MORE CONTROVERSY (page 17):
QUESTION "Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?"

"Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens [in the US]. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes."

QUESTION "Did you always hold these views?"

"No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a
libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist."[/quote]

What is this bullshit? Why not continue calling yourself a communist if you're so devoted to the cause? Cause that sure is what an "Eco-Fascist" sounds like to me. Candace Owens? Makes no sense. China? Seemingly no connection to anything else. But yeah guys I'm totes a fascist and ethnic nationalist please notice this part press and media!

Apparently he is so super serious and driven beyond the breaking point but he has time to shitpost in his manifesto with that navy seal copypasta? Yeah, a...New Zealand man driven to the brink because of...terrorist attacks in Sweden and...elections in France. Fucking crying in his car but...lol shitpost navy seal and spyro and Aussie shitposter meme as my avatar. Yeah, ok bro. This dude is full of shit or this is a false flag.

Maybe this will increase the crackdown and censorship but I'm with Leonard on that, who cares anymore? Will make no difference.

If this was real, I just will never understand this mindset of guys like this. Why not live your life the best you can instead of throwing it away? This will all be for nothing, you're attacking a microscopic drop of a multi-billion person religion that is the fastest growing in the world. Why even try to save the west? You are hated as a racist piece of shit by most, yet you want to save them? The west and anglosphere have made their beds...now they can lie in it. I have zero desire to stop what's coming, no do I have any ability. You can't always save people from themselves.

Muslims kill random people and the media wonders how white people caused them to become radicalized. Guarantee the reporting only will focus on - Guns and white people are bad.

It's a scary day when white people become as radicalized as Muslims.

This is the cleanest mass shooting I've ever seen. No blood, no splattered parts, not a fucking drop of blood on the wall. The bodies look clean too.
   
That white wall is cleaner than the wall in my room, and supposedly 30+ people just got shot in front of it. Not even a dent in the wall much less bullet marks. 3 rows of them and even the back row guys didn't run out that door? bullshit. The bullet passed through 4 rows of them but not a single fucking bullet touched the wall? The guys 4 rows deep got direct vital shots that stopped them cold, yet no pools of blood?

Looks like homeboy fired blanks at a bunch of calm stunt-doubles laying on the ground. Maybe this is why they're trying to scrub the video from the internet so quickly.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:05 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

It was nothing Candace said. Shooter was just another ugly ginger obsessed with exotic women.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:02 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2019 09:28 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

Has to be said but there is so much comedy gold in his manifesto, my favorite parts:

"I worked for a short time before making some money investing in
Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel."

"Were you taught violence and extremism by video
games,music,literature,cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me
to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies."

"Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views
helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over
meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the
extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. "

Not to mention sticking in a 4chan copy pasta right in the middle of it and the media took it at face value and actually reported him being a Navy Seal with 300+ confirmed kills lewl (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta)

From the video the subscribe to pewdiepie thing was genius, what better platform to give you exposure than pewdiepies channel, by saying that now pewdiepie is forced to do a video on it.

It's almost as if an Antifa Liberal loser sat down and figured out, what big figures on the right can I smear the most to shift blame for what I am about to do.

Candace Owens has nothing to do with far right ideology. If anything she is still a black woman and is slightly right of center. Pewdiepie is just a gamer who recently got redpilled on European Immigration stuff and is now making memes about it. Correct me if I am wrong, but he does not actually advocate violence in any way or fashion?

Slandering the Yellow Vests is a bit foul too, but French people by nature protest with a bit of violence...but most of the violence I have seen in the Yellow Vest protests have been mostly from the French police hurting them. I do not follow it closely enough to know if what I saw was biased though.

The only thing this idiot did not do was list out Ben Shapiro, Vox, Black Pigeon, etc.e etc. Either way singling out Candace is just fucking odd. She probably feels pretty shitty right now. That's like someone going on a killing spree and listing me as their inspiration instead of Leonard, or the others similar to him here. I would be super fucking salty about that, won't even lie.

I don't know about that:

Quote:Quote:

"Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views
helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over
meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the
extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. "

That's what he said about her and her views. Extreme Actions? What Extreme Actions has Candace Owens ever called for? I don't recall any. Building the Wall and ICE deportations is likely the strongest ones I have heard her say. None of that shit is radical shit. Her rants about getting off the Democrat plantation for blacks is pretty radical, but not in a white audience perspective, only other blacks.

He seems to be projecting about her. He is either maliciously lying or misrepresenting her views, or projecting what he wishes she would say to fulfill some awkward fantasy about her. Lately on the 4/8Chans some of the WN guys have become obsessed with naked black women and "breeding" black cows. Basically lots of photos of black women worshipping a white guy's dick or getting fucked. Maybe he is on that bullshit too. Candace I know for a fact is something of a fan favorite for these guys, much like how the others like them swoon over Laura Loomer and the other white gals. Well except for the conservathot that had a black boyfriend, I forgot her name already. I have seen threads where they got all upset about that.

Maybe you are right and he just has a crush on her. Still fucked up though.

Guys, do not take the Candace Owens thing seriously. He was clearly shit posting, I mean... Spyro and Fortnite taught him ethnonationalism? Clearly Aussie shitposting! Don't take it serious in any way shape or form. Bad for Candace though, nasty publicity she didn't need. Or Pewds for that matter.

Also, the man went from a communist, to an anarchist, to a libertarian and finally he went "eco-fascism"? I mean... This one is either a shit post or this man is completely illiterate politically. I won't even change my football club!

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:20 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

This is the cleanest mass shooting I've ever seen. No blood, no splattered parts, not a fucking drop of blood on the wall. The bodies look clean too.

That white wall is cleaner than the wall in my room, and supposedly 30+ people just got shot in front of it. Not even a dent in the wall much less bullet marks. 3 rows of them and even the back row guys didn't run out that door? bullshit.

Looks like homeboy fired blanks at a bunch of calm stunt-doubles laying on the ground.

And on top of that, they looked exactly like this on the left side of the room too.

Man Disco you really got me thinking hard on this one. I usually scrutinize false flag claims heavily but this time, I'm doing the scrutiny of the event myself for once.

Let's not forget people, New Zealand is a 5 Eyes Alliance Member. Our NSA/CIA/FBI is deeply connected to theirs. Not out of the ordinary to get collaboration like this. We have caught fuckery with Canada and the UK in the last few years too. If they think they can use Australia and NZ to fool us with bullshit like this, they can forget it. The more desperate they get, the more likely they are to make mistakes.

Again, not ruling out a false flag attack but .223 hunting rounds are not like their 5.56 military round counterparts. Many of them will leave an entry wound the same size as if having been stabbed with a pencil, and the bullet will expand inside the body without exiting meaning no messy exit wound. It can kill instantly and if it does then body pumps no blood through that tiny pencil sized hole.

The alternate argument though is that during all that rapid firing nobody caught a head shot or a shot to the limb that would have really opened up?

Seems like this guy was either the king of rapid fire center mass shots or something strange is afoot.

Too soon?

Another thing I noticed in the video. Both sides of the room had people piled up in the corners before he walked into the room.

Do Muslims pray in the corner of a room? Why weren't people standing in that room? Now maybe they all huddle in that corner when the people up front were getting shot, but again, that was plenty time to run out of the large room and exit that side door.

My concealed carry instructor was an iraq vet who had been shot twice. He said he didn't even feel it at first, you have so much adrenaline you literally check your body to see if you've even been hit. You don't just drop dead unless it's a perfect shot. You're telling me 4 rows of these motherfuckers got perfect shots, that didn't even hit the wall? All their vitals took direct hits yet no pools of blood?

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:31 AM)Dusty Wrote:  



Too soon?

They have a politician crazy enough to write that? That's bold. No elected politician in the USA would have the stones to say that.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:35 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

My concealed carry instructor was an iraq vet who had been shot twice. He said he didn't even feel it at first, you have so much adrenaline you literally check your body to see if you've even been hit. You don't just drop dead unless it's a perfect shot. You're telling me 4 rows of these motherfuckers got perfect shots, that didn't even hit the wall?

In the video when he reloads, you can see in the corner of the camera lens, that nobody is moving at all. Like no rolling over in agony, nothing.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:37 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:35 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

My concealed carry instructor was an iraq vet who had been shot twice. He said he didn't even feel it at first, you have so much adrenaline you literally check your body to see if you've even been hit. You don't just drop dead unless it's a perfect shot. You're telling me 4 rows of these motherfuckers got perfect shots, that didn't even hit the wall?

In the video when he reloads, you can see in the corner of the camera lens, that nobody is moving at all. Like no rolling over in agony, nothing.

There appeared to be blood splatter when he mowed down the woman outside the mosque on his way out. I don't know what to think anymore.

Everything that you guys listed sounds suspicious - but if it was staged, then why livestream it at all? Why not just say "there was a shooting", arrange some bodies and blood in a fake carnage scene and be done with it?

In the longer video @00:11:18 precisely he shoots one of the men in the head and there's a clear and visually obvious result.

Throughout the video I'm seeing movement from the bodies being struck. The close ones could be possibly explained by the muzzle blast of a blank but not the far ones, and the side-by-side magazines clearly show that blanks aren't being used.

There is some movement from some of the people as he's finishing them off. They appear to have clustered in the corners as a botched flight/freeze response and his initial salvo appears to have incapacitated most of them.

@the false flag claims. I just doubt it reading the manifesto + seeing the video (and i duno about you, I see plenty of blood), he knows how to meme, the navy seal copy pasta just to bait the media into reporting it, name dropping Candace Owens as some extreme figure (very obvious troll), knowledge of flossing+fortnite (had me dead lol), mentioning subscribe to pewdiepie.

What false flag is going to go to the extent of memeing so hard the perp plays Gas Gas Gas from Initial D (an anime) while driving away recklessly and shooting out the window, almost as if emulating the anime, this just can't be faked, a false flag has never gone this far to emulate internet culture at such a deep level.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:10 AM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

[quote] (03-14-2019 10:30 PM)Orson Wrote:  

(03-15-2019, 03:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  QUESTION "Were/are you a fascist?

"Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China." (Emphasis added.)

MORE CONTROVERSY (page 17):
QUESTION "Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?"

"Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens [in the US]. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes."

QUESTION "Did you always hold these views?"

"No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a
libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist."

What is this bullshit? Why not continue calling yourself a communist if you're so devoted to the cause? Cause that sure is what an "Eco-Fascist" sounds like to me. Candace Owens? Makes no sense. China? Seemingly no connection to anything else. But yeah guys I'm totes a fascist and ethnic nationalist please notice this part press and media!

Apparently he is so super serious and driven beyond the breaking point but he has time to shitpost in his manifesto with that navy seal copypasta? Yeah, a...New Zealand man driven to the brink because of...terrorist attacks in Sweden and...elections in France. Fucking crying in his car but...lol shitpost navy seal and spyro and Aussie shitposter meme as my avatar. Yeah, ok bro. This dude is full of shit or this is a false flag.

Maybe this will increase the crackdown and censorship but I'm with Leonard on that, who cares anymore? Will make no difference.

If this was real, I just will never understand this mindset of guys like this. Why not live your life the best you can instead of throwing it away? This will all be for nothing, you're attacking a microscopic drop of a multi-billion person religion that is the fastest growing in the world. Why even try to save the west? You are hated as a racist piece of shit by most, yet you want to save them? The west and anglosphere have made their beds...now they can lie in it. I have zero desire to stop what's coming, no do I have any ability. You can't always save people from themselves.

You should read the entire manifesto. He makes his ideology intentionally confusing and contradictory in an attempt to increase the conflict between political camps leading into eventual war and then separation, which he considers the only possible solution. Everyone interprets it to their liking: RVFers now consider him a leftist, the media will consider him an alt righter. That's exactly what he wants.

He's also right with one thing, European men are weak, the demographic problem is the biggest problem and while we're all still discussing who's responsible and how to get the right people into power, they're multiplying like rabbits and no political shift of any scale is going to stop that.

This guy certainly was no idiot, it's just too bad he went down this particular road which is ultimately counterproductive. He won't be the last one though as young white men increasingly find themselves staring down the demographic and socioeconomic barrel. And especially because the video now shows these guys around the world that such an attack is indeed pretty feasible.

The one upside is that you can now throw all the empty, stupid phrases the Left uses to downplay Muslim attacks back into their faces. And you can point out all the instances of hypocrisy where the media mentions a "white nationalist terror attack" whereas they'd still be going "The unidentified man was heard yelling 'Allahu akbar' but his motive remains unclear" in the opposite scenario. And maybe that'll turn on a few lightbulbs in some heads.

Edit: Also lol at the armchair experts who think real world shootings look anything like a Hollywood movie or Call of Duty with blood splattering in all directions. You can watch a ton of Syrian war footage to figure out that isn't the case. And if this were a false flag why the hell would they open themselves to scrutiny with a video and 70 page manifesto. Just think a little for a change.

It seems ISIS has vowed retaliation for the attack.

What is wrong with them? How about some candlelight vigils, #PrayForChristchurch or #NotAllWhites?

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:47 AM)atlant Wrote:  

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The one upside is that you can now throw all the empty, stupid phrases the Left uses to downplay Muslim attacks back into their faces. And you can point out all the instances of hypocrisy where the media mentions a "white nationalist terror attack" whereas they'd still be going "The unidentified man was heard yelling 'Allahu akbar' but his motive remains unclear" in the opposite scenario. And maybe that'll turn on a few lightbulbs in some heads.

Good point. Finally we have a white nationalist muslim-hating whatever shooter...

Liberal brings up NZ shooter, who he was, what he said and believed.
Me: "Yeah, finally after all these years the media is believing the terrorist...what he says and believes and what motivates him."

For someone who supposedly knows 4chan culture intimately, there sure is a very glaring omission in his manifesto. One topic, which you could not in any way be unaware of, if you are as obsessed with chan culture as he is.

That makes me suspicious.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:20 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

This is the cleanest mass shooting I've ever seen. No blood, no splattered parts, not a fucking drop of blood on the wall. The bodies look clean too.

That white wall is cleaner than the wall in my room, and supposedly 30+ people just got shot in front of it. Not even a dent in the wall much less bullet marks. 3 rows of them and even the back row guys didn't run out that door? bullshit. The bullet passed through 4 rows of them but not a single fucking bullet touched the wall? The guys 4 rows deep got direct vital shots that stopped them cold, yet no pools of blood?

Looks like homeboy fired blanks at a bunch of calm stunt-doubles laying on the ground. Maybe this is why they're trying to scrub the video from the internet so quickly.

To fire blanks, you would need a BFA (blank firing adaptor) to recycle the gas system in the gun so that you can shoot semi automatic. You don't see that on the muzzle of his gun.

Training wise, he had range time with a lot of time spent watching youtube.

Decent shot (but at this short range it's not too hard), didn't shoot at targets he couldn't hit. Took his time to aim.

Magazine retention was bad. Dropped I think 3 magazines. He also fumbled the magazine while reloading. Despite dropping/fumbling the mags, he continued the attack.

The way he entered a room was amateur. A trained shooter would be sweeping corners immediately which tells me he isn't military.

He left to go back to his car and then came back to shoot more. If he had planned it more professionally he would have gone in, do the job and then leave.

His clothing was likely fake high end tactical gear, Crye Precision in Multicam black with a modern looking low profile plate carrier.

I don't think the guy who rushed him went in to attack the shooter. When I first saw the video it looked like he rushed that way to get to the door to escape. I could be wrong, and if I am then that guy is extremely brave.

It was reported that either he or another shooter tried to attack another mosque but someone had a gun and fought back preventing a massacre.

For people worried about going to places that could be a target (Churches, schools, etc), carry a gun if it is legal where you are and have trauma gear. Ask the person in charge of your churches or schools if they can invest in a trauma kit for active shooters.

At the time of the attack I had a tourniquet in my bag and will be adding chest seals to that (you need two, one for entry and another for exit wounds). This is to control bleeding. The tourniquet is for extremities and the chest seals are for the chest.