In a further education college in the UK, I lived in a collective together with 14 guys. A fraternity with own rooms but shared living room.

Days of practical jokes, working out together, learned to chase tail in the weekends and some very deep intellectual discussions. I had a complete blast there and so did everyone else!

Fast forward about ten years they're all now in relationships and seem to live the same type of life as every other guy; Ford Fiesta, dog, boring 9 to 5, below average girlfriend/wife and about to have kids or have kids and a house in a boring neighborhood. They don't look happy on their photos anymore (notice how all guys on fraternity photos are smiling). It's like they're bored of life and the energy isn't there anymore.

You think they wouldn't be happier living in a big fraternity again for grown men playing pool, poker, drink, practice hobbies and have intellectual discussions after work instead?
I can understand some wanting female company at times, so sometimes they could be allowed to come over too, like the conjugal visits they have in prisons. Wouldn't this be a better solution?

If people heard that I was planning my life in order to share a future with a male buddy I would just be considered "gay" even though I'm sure every guy knows that he would have much more fun together with me and some buddies, but he can't say anything because it's not socially acceptable.
So instead they rather ditch me and settle for a lesser relationship with a woman.

But isn't it more beta to center your entire life around a woman? Especially today when a girl worthy LTR is not easy to find. This marriage arrangement doesn't make much sense to me.

Do you guys agree? Why is it not more common with men living in this type of fraternity arrangement instead even after education?

I think in the west this is a good idea just for sheer monetary reasons. I thought about renting a house or 3-4 bedroom apartment with a group of friends just to get out of my house and not have to share a living space with random strangers. I think some guys on RVF even do this with a bachelor pad in Colombia. However, it's probably better for 20's guys, maybe early 30's. There's a bit of a stigma that hits beyond that age range for a large group of guys living together.

Being around other guys that provide a good environment to succeed could be a great boost to get your life going in your 20's. Just have to choose your roommates carefully and make sure it's with people you know, trust, or at least have a good enough gut feeling on.

I don't think living together is a good idea as it sounds gay, but regularly meeting with other men without women around is healthy and beneficial for men.

For hundreds of years most countries had some form of gentlemen's clubs for established adult single and married men to meet and interact without women or children, but I think modern bullshit feminist legislation forced them to accept women as members at some point in the 20th century.

Once the women were admitted as members, then men realised these clubs and meetings had lost the main thing that attracted men to them in the 1st place, and they quickly died out and shut their doors, or became a totally different kind of organisation.

This forum is the modern equivalent of the old style gentlemen's club, and the only "safe space" for men meeting and discussing things that we have left in the world.

Some images from the old days:

   

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But isn't it more beta to center your entire life around a woman? Especially today when a girl worthy LTR is not easy to find. This marriage arrangement doesn't make much sense to me.

Is it beta to center your life around a family -- no. Some would argue that this is the most self-less and masculine thing that a man can do

As far as me coming home to a house full of dudes, no thanks. I want to come home to a hot plate of food, a sink with no dishes in it, a bathroom floor that lacks piss on the linoleum, and when I sleep, I want silence, not the sounds of gunshots on the nintendo or tops popping on beer cans.

The best time of my life was when I was young living the college fraternity life. We didn't have an official house at our chapter but there were a couple of houses our guys lived in that served as such. We had a table in the University cafeteria. At any time, guys were hanging out together... talking, drinking, breaking balls etc. Sometimes we would have girls with us sometimes it would be just the bros.

I miss that.

Quote: (12-30-2018 02:20 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Is it beta to center your life around a family -- no. Some would argue that this is the most self-less and masculine thing that a man can do

Sure, but many here would also suggest it's usually not a great idea to live together with a woman since you'll get on each other's nerves.
Especially if you're not married to her, it's usually not a good idea. Certainly not compared to an alternative like this.

You could go visit your family and they could visit you and some nights you could stay over at her and read a book as they get to sleep or they at your room. I can't see it would be much of a problem.

Quote: (12-30-2018 02:20 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

As far as me coming home to a house full of dudes, no thanks. I want to come home to a hot plate of food, a sink with no dishes in it, a bathroom floor that lacks piss on the linoleum, and when I sleep, I want silence, not the sounds of gunshots on the nintendo or tops popping on beer cans.

A solution to that could be probably organized with your male buddies that one of you had to make all the meals for a specific week or having a smaller flat next to the fraternity where you went for dinner with your girlfriend before you returned to the fraternity. And since most of the men would probably be working, it wouldn't exactly be hard to pay for a 3rd world cleaning lady who did all that.

Obviously, it would be possible to make rules so people didn't become disturbed and choose a good residence for that from the start. And if you knew you were sensitive to noise, you could choose a room that was on the 3th floor while we had the living room on the ground floor where all the action took place.

male bonding is very important whether its with your father/brothers or friends. women are unreliable and emotionally volatile

male bonding is normal and not considered "gay" in traditional countries outside of the anglosphere

Thirty years after the closure of Male spaces and nearly two decades after Game 1.0, this is where British and Australian men are:

How to Make Male Friends as a Grown Ass Man: Unlocking and Understanding How to Make and Keep Male Friendships

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Make-Male-Frien...wn+ass+men

Because men are not brothers. We are competitors biologically.

I played organized sports growing up. I was on a lot of AAA teams. Yeah, it was a decent time a lot of it, but it's overhyped. I prefer being a loner. I wasted a lot of blood, sweat, tears and effort getting into male organizations when I was younger and in retrospect none of it added p to much. When you're having like mental breakdowns over wether or not you're gonna make some team or fraternity chapter it's not good for your mental health. During that time I considered a lot of these guys my "bros" but now I'm smart enough to know that they'd fuck me over if given the chance.

Once again, competition is the defining practice between males, not fraternal brotherhood.

An interesting question to the forum and perhaps a mod can turn this thread into a poll thread:

What is more important to a man in life?

A. A positive relationship with a female companion, a family life, but no friendships with other men?

B. Negative relationships with women consisting of meaningless sex but a strong group of solid men whom you can rely on and routinely meet with.

That's a difficult question if you really think about it.

Quote: (12-30-2018 03:27 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

An interesting question to the forum and perhaps a mod can turn this thread into a poll thread:

What is more important to a man in life?

A. A positive relationship with a female companion, a family life, but no friendships with other men?

B. Negative relationships with women consisting of meaningless sex but a strong group of solid men whom you can rely on and routinely meet with.

That's a difficult question if you really think about it.

Men have sacrificed their lives for both. I believe it depends on the context which you were raised.

Tough choice, but if I had to choose I would pick the brotherhood over the family.

How prophetic was Gmanifesto that too much soy would result in men swooping dudes

Fairly relevant:

OP's dream

Quote: (12-30-2018 03:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  

How prophetic was Gmanifesto that too much soy would result in men swooping dudes

There's a difference between the gays and a brotherhood.

I always think of this from a military lens. Guys aren't in their unit to protect their wife and kids at home. They aren't going on patrol to keep their mom and dad safe. They aren't risking their lives for freedom.

They're in it to protect their brothers in the unit which says everything about the meaning of brotherhood.

@above, please include a link to the boobs lounge so I can purge this unholy abomination from my brain.

The Spartans basically did this.

The net result was that there weren't enough Spartans to keep Sparta going.

Quote: (12-30-2018 03:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  

How prophetic was Gmanifesto that too much soy would result in men swooping dudes

Soon you'll be considered gay for being part of a male-only forum online too. Besides that, I think fraternity guys are getting laid far more compared to the other average guy.

That's just feminist shaming tactics. The irony is that most men are only conditioned this way by society and the feminine imperative to believe that they should value a relationship with a female above his buddies. It's simply not acceptable to value male friendship above a woman.
But every guy knows (and even some women will admit this) that men are far more interesting than women.

Imagine yourself if one of your male buddies told his girlfriend that he no longer wanted to go on a trip to Paris with her because he wanted to spend time with you instead?
I bet it would never cross his mind but men do this all the time to other men now. They won't go on trips with buddies just so they can be with their girlfriend and watch The Vampire Diaries and talk with her about dull shit.

THAT is soy.

Quote: (12-30-2018 04:15 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

That's just feminist shaming tactics. The irony is that most men are only conditioned this way by society and the feminine imperative to believe that they should value a relationship with a female above his buddies. But every guy knows (and even some women will admit this) that men are far more interesting than women.

Since like 2012 or so, I've never seen anybody who used the words "the feminine imperative" and had anything useful to say.
It's like a giant red flag that you're talking to a weird autist.

Anybody got any theories as to why this is?

Quote: (12-30-2018 04:22 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (12-30-2018 04:15 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

That's just feminist shaming tactics. The irony is that most men are only conditioned this way by society and the feminine imperative to believe that they should value a relationship with a female above his buddies. But every guy knows (and even some women will admit this) that men are far more interesting than women.

Since like 2012 or so, I've never seen anybody who used the words "the feminine imperative" and had anything useful to say.
It's like a giant red flag that you're talking to a weird autist.

Anybody got any theories as to why this is?

Because they were raised under the feminine imperative.

I guess my secret is out now.

Dudes making fun of OP have never lived in a fraternity.

I did. It was the most productive time of my life. As mentioned, domestic tasks can be divided or outsourced.

The biggest advantage is that you live in a house with zero drama. No females = no bullshit.

Women come over to sleep over and fuck off after breakfast, when the men get to work.

The drama leaves with them.

The only thing that lacks is obvious: living with someone who provides that "female energy": someone to take care of you, someone to balance you out emotionally.

As men get older, they desire this energy more and more. That's why they tend to leave the house.

About the competitive aspect: don't live with competitors, live with your friends. Just because you are in the same peer group doesn't mean that you are friends.

Look at the forum. Plenty of dudes who have no interest in collaboration because they see everyone as a potential competitor or because they are too concerned about their own status.

That type of lone wolf behavior disqualifies you from functioning properly within a fraternity, where collaboration is the driving force behind success.

The best summer of my life was spent in a tight knit group of men who were on the same page, working hard towards their goals and were supporting each other. We all made progress and had a blast while doing it.

Male support isn't "gay", it's the way of the gang. (Read that book)

OP how old are you? This would have been a good idea until my mid 20's, but in my 30's now I value privacy too much. No way I'd want to be woken up by other people at 3am.

This sort of arrangement can be very productive, and it can even be greater than the sum of its parts.

In the book The game, those dudes set up something in the Hollywood hills that they called the project. basically it was the rich guy rented a big ass house and rent it out rooms to everyone to cover the rent.

getting a place is really the biggest impediment to doing this. You basically have to have someone with assets put their name on the line and vouch for everyone else. Once you have a house, you can have parties etc and reap the benefits that are greater than the sum of the parts. But that is the obstacle, the main obstacle

Id prefer a sorority rather that a fraternity