You simply understand their nature better after so many bangs and this leads to easier sex. Your behaviour also changes as giovonny said.

I'm also going to recognize another creature/ghost/force in game:

The night.

There is Girls, and there is The Night.

You can't get psyched up or down with regards to either voice.

Say you get rejected by a girl. Painful if you are a caveman and there only seventeen girls in your tribe. A blink of an eye today.

If the night doesn't go well- maybe it's better to look at the week, or the month.

I stayed in tonight, got three numbers. Went out, got two numbers. I didn't get any new pussy tonight, but I've helped my future self.

Game is like a spider web- if you touch one part, the whole thing vibrates. Humans maybe see the vibration right where they touched it. The spider, I'm sure, feels the vibration no matter where you touch it. Guess who is the alpha and who is the beta in this this analogy.

It's not about the just you in the moment.

You have to be who are you are now, in the past, and the future. You be present to your whole existence. One bad night might feel terrible at the time, but step back and look at the larger perspective.

How is your pipeline? Forget any individual night. I care more about my pipeline. I care about making sure that I'm good to go at any bar I attend. The staff is down with me. I can run my game in peace.

I'm focusing on the whole system, not just the branch of the moment.

As a player, here are your real harem babes:

Girls
The Night
Day (non-club game)

They are also your children. You have to cultivate all.

But keep in mind, when you do confront that moment/girl/etc. you'd better throw yourself into into with all you've got.

Quote: (05-31-2013 02:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (05-30-2013 09:47 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

I'm of the school of thought that it's much easier to work on the external life structure than the internal method acting.

I think we must work on BOTH, at the same time.

I agree, but strangely it came to me as an insight that we need to work on the exterior world in order to be happy.

I mean, that should be obvious right?

But years of cultural and Buddhist and New Age conditioning had me believing that everything was in my head.

The manosphere is also heavily influenced by this New Age crap.

It IS strange that it should be an insight that working on our external world actually has the strongest power to most strongly affect our happiness, day to day and over the long term.

Everybody used to always know that.

I think a substrate of this new-age hyper-inflated-ego view that our ego is at the center of causality is the foundational belief in "equality".

Uggh. Equality.

We're all of the same class. We're all of uniquely good if different abilities. We can all choose happiness based on what's on the inside, based on our reactions to the world.

What a load of equalist crap. People in relatively higher social positions are relatively happier. Therefore... chink, clunk, gears turning... calculation... !!! Work on the external reality and get status and become happier!

For those who doubt, just compare your most unhappy times, and your happiest, and look to what the architecture of your life was like. What external circumstances supported your happiness, or were a barrier to it?

I've spent time in jail, so I know time for sublime contemplation does not bring happiness. And I've gotten laid in jail, and was happy.

External things are closely tied in to happiness. Fresh young attractive faces attached to willing pussy, wealth, social status, a great place to stay, good food, and on and on.

New age egocentric introversion is not spiritual. It's reality avoidance.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

I agree, but strangely it came to me as an insight that we need to work on the exterior world in order to be happy.

I mean, that should be obvious right?

Right. That should be obvious.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

But years of cultural and Buddhist and New Age conditioning had me believing that everything was in my head.

Well, I think that the creation of a beautiful life often starts with the cultivation of a beautiful mind.

"Everything" is not all in our heads but we must have a healthy and productive mind in order to create the life we want.

I'm sure you would agree that Buddhism has helped many people to calm their mind. Other new age beliefs like positive psychology have also helped many people. There is no doubt that your attitude effects your life in significant ways. This is kind of new agey but it is no doubt true and important for all of us to understand.

If you want to change your life, the first step is often changing your attitude.

The ratio of mental work vs physical work is different for all of us. Some people have the physical part worked out but need to do a better job with their personal thought control and self talk. Others, have the mental part figured out but need to do a better job with creating the external support structure.

At various point in our lives, we may shift out focus from inner to outer or vice versa. For example, when I was younger I spent more time cultivating my inner world, now that that is under control I can focus more on my outer world. Things change over time. My needs today could change tomorrow.

We all must do our best to cultivate and maintain BOTH a beautiful mind and a beautiful lifestyle.

We all know people who seem to "have it all" yet are miserable, they need more mental-psychological-emotional improvements.

On the other hand, we all know people who have very modest lives yet are very happy.

So, it's a balance. It's different for everyone. I guess the key is self knowledge and self awareness.

One of my favorite quotes is:

"The greatest victory a man can win is to conquer himself"

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

It IS strange that it should be an insight that working on our external world actually has the strongest power to most strongly affect our happiness

Yes, that is strange.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

I think a substrate of this new-age hyper-inflated-ego view that our ego is at the center of causality is the foundational belief in "equality".

Yeah, we take this "mind over matter" stuff to far sometimes.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

People in relatively higher social positions are relatively happier.

I believe this is true but...

What about Americans? We score quite low on the happiness tests. Many countries with less material wealth then us are happier then us?

Americans have everything yet we have an epidemic of mental illness and drug abuse.

We need both --A strong external network and a strong mind. One without the other is not enough.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

New age egocentric introversion is not spiritual. It's reality avoidance.

I like that.

Don't avoid reality. Change it.

Be positive if that works for you.

Be negative if that works for you.

Just take physical action that is improving your external support network while also maintaining a strong, healthy mind.

And, talk to a lot of girls so you learn how to best present yourself!

"The greatest victory a man can win is to conquer himself"

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

It IS strange that it should be an insight that working on our external world actually has the strongest power to most strongly affect our happiness

Yes, that is strange.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

I think a substrate of this new-age hyper-inflated-ego view that our ego is at the center of causality is the foundational belief in "equality".

Yeah, we take this "mind over matter" stuff to far sometimes.

Quote: (06-01-2013 05:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

People in relatively higher social positions are relatively happier.

I believe this is true but...

What about Americans? We score quite low on the happiness tests. Many countries with less material wealth then us are happier then us?

Americans have everything yet we have an epidemic of mental illness and drug abuse.

We need both --A strong external network and a strong mind. One without the other is not enough.
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Good discussion, sorry but i had to jump in.

I think both of you made really good points but i just dont understand why xsplat is saying that people in higher social positions are happier (you know i like reading your posts xsplat, so nothing against you). If this was true, people in richer countries would be happier than people in third world countries. Remember that some people may not be in high social positions but they may be happier because their quality of life is better. Lets say a guy making 1000 dollars a month in DR (which is a lot of money for locals) who likes to party,fucks hot women all the time, enjoys a nice weather throughout the year, lives in a society where people actually enjoy communicating to each other (opposed to the western world where people don't like people), he can commit minor crimes and get away with it (e.g. caught drink driving and paid a 10 dollars fine to get away with it), travel around the country all the time because there are always festivals, etc, compare this with a guy in NY who makes 10 times more money than the DR guy, owns a nice car and lives in a really nice apartment, i am almost sure his quality of life won't beat the quality of life of the DR guy. Reason why the majority of us on here are aiming for quality of life and not becoming the richest guy. I also believe there is a strong correlation between happiness and quality of life but not so much for happiness and money. Money doesn't buy happiness, quality of life does.

Also, there are a variety of different methodologies being used to show the happiest countries, this is never done by showing one simple indicator(e.g. money).

which counts more: external structure or internal mindset?

both, because it's the internal mindset that enables you to create the external structure.

the concept of 'positive psychology' has been documented through scientific studies to bring happiness to people because practicing positive thinking on a daily basis does the following:

1. broadens your mind to the possibilities that lie before you
2. motivates you to take action
3. builds your resilience stocks

the people that think positively will start taking risks, push themselves harder, bounce back from setbacks, and eventually gather the kind of momentum that puts them into a positive feedback loop. they flourish.

these kind of people give value to others, they attract and magnetise the people around them and build strong social networks.

they make cash because they have vision, are not afraid of the hustle, and because they have the confidence to back themselves.

the happiest people are those whose positive thinking empowers them to achieve despite all odds and create their own world for themselves.

Yes, both are important, and I agree it's also good to sometimes focus very carefully on internal development.

Pitt, I read somewhere that status relative to your peers has a bearing on relative happiness. There have been scientific studies about that. I don't have any links - maybe someone else does, as that info has been around for a while.

So even in the DR it's likely that those with a bit more money than those around them will tend to be a bit more satisfied with life. It's a limited but real effect. Not the only part of the picture, but one part, and a real one, and a useful one.

On top of that of course are all the logistical benefits, and the ways a creative and insightful person could leverage money towards lifestyle and happiness benefits. That of course is not an automatic given - it's difficult to predict the things that bring long term happiness, and easy to mis-judge how to spend money for increased happiness. It can be done, but that takes careful creative thought.

For instance one way I've recently used money is to set up a second girl in a nearby 2nd apartment. I feel a lot better.

I'm also upgrading my wardrobe and plan to use both the increased confidence of having two girls that love me and looking my best to help with being at my most attractive for when I meet girls. These external situations can help me create further external situations that can increase happiness. I am happier when I date girls with pretty faces and have lots of sex with a variety of women and with women whom I love and who dote on me.

It's true. A bird does need two wings to fly. When describing one wing it's easy to overlook the other. The external architecture can become foundational for future growth and change.

Some guys will find it easier to get in state and swoop. But it's also helpful to build your life to bring about a good state. Some internal magic powers have no external correlate, and vice versa. I can give a hypnotic look that makes a girl weak in the knees, and I can also set up a girl in an apartment and job. Two wings.

At this point in my life I'll still work on both wings, but am very interested to focus on the external stuff. Especially after watching all sorts of HBO and netflix series about gathering power in the world. House of Cards has inspired some big plans in me.

Quote: (06-02-2013 03:00 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Especially after watching all sorts of HBO and netflix series about gathering power in the world. House of Cards has inspired some big plans in me.

Which shows?

How has "House of Cards" inspired you?

Thanks

Quote: (06-03-2013 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2013 03:00 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Especially after watching all sorts of HBO and netflix series about gathering power in the world. House of Cards has inspired some big plans in me.

Which shows?

How has "House of Cards" inspired you?

Thanks

The ultimate future of game is to be a charismatic leader, and the ultimate future of being a charismatic leader is political power over very large groups.

Even every song I hear now I hear through the lens of manipulating a group; entrancing a group mind into a resonance. I don't just get into the song, I want to deconstruct how the song works to get other people involved. I want that power of the song for myself to use on others.

I want to learn and incorporate all the powers of manipulation. I have the technology for one on one manipulation well developed. My LTR slave game is tight, and I can keep deep intimacy in the context of non-monogamy. But I don't know how to open strangers or work a group, have no public speaking experience, and have never run a cult.

I want it all - all the way to running a cult - and not even stopping there. I want to own newspapers and be politically connected. A reverend moon. I want to own schools. I want to be a state power, and a charismatic leader. I want to add value and take control of peoples lives where they have no direction or focus. I want to bring people together, infuse community spirit, give purpose and direction, add value, and get value. I want to be a charismatic business leader who leads a large group to financial success, and while doing so instills in underlings all the powers of leadership and organization.

And ultimately I want to create a dynasty of K invested R strategy babies. Three hundred babies by 100 elite women invested with all my money, power, political connections, guidance, wisdom, and our superior genes. An aristocracy that will have lasting influence, and have me well positioned in the event of life extension, sensory and brain augmentation technologies. When the robot army comes, some of the robots will be ours.

TV shows that have changed my mindset about power and inspired me:
Damages
Boardwalk Empire
Rome - on my 2nd viewing
The Sopranos
Sons of Anarchy
House of Cards - American series
House of Cards - British series (my favorite and I've watched 3 times so far)

Quote: (05-31-2013 06:37 PM)pitt Wrote:  

You simply understand their nature better after so many bangs and this leads to easier sex. Your behaviour also changes as giovonny said.

You also give off an air like it's not an issue which further turns on women.

Quote: (10-28-2018 11:23 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Quote: (05-31-2013 06:37 PM)pitt Wrote:  

You simply understand their nature better after so many bangs and this leads to easier sex. Your behaviour also changes as giovonny said.

You also give off an air like it's not an issue which further turns on women.

how in god's name do you manage to bump a thread that's 5 years old

What I've found matters is when I just got a new bang the day before, getting a new bang that day is easier, as is flirting with girls I meet through friends etc. You're just more confidently, stoic, and completely unfazed by the world, and girls notice that very fast. As I've said before, getting new bangs makes me feel more virtuous, and my value goes up because of it. It's not anything dramatic but it is significant enough to make a difference, especially with very attractive girls.


Notch count doesn't change much for me, I was similarly confident when I had 10 bangs as I am now.

Pain and pleasure related to social interactions shapes what buttons you push. You learn what to say and what not to say innately through time spent with girls.

Also you spend time in different circles, partying or whatever and naturally your personality starts to mirror those around you.

You don’t give a fuck about new girls either or their judgment for a few reasons: most people are idiots, most people are conservative, you have had enough success to know innately true from false. You know you’re good enough because you’ve fucked dozens of girls hotter than the hot chick you’re now talking to.

Compared to how I was less than 4 years ago as a virgin, I’m now at 100+ girls with so many ongoing connections mixed in there (not just ONS). I am socially sharp now. Before I was a bit of a mess. Was a clown. Now I am never socially nervous besides doing approaches - which for me has not really gotten easier which is weird. But I close like a motherfucker so who cares. Tight game. I just fluff in the middle a lot I’m not very rushed.

Only issue is that I’m nowhere near as horny or desperate as before since I know if I really want I can have a hot chick whenever I want, provided I put in the work to go get her. Also accustomed to a crazy fast hookup culture and meeting girls in foreign countries who won’t fuck in less than a couple of hours gets on my nerves. I need to adjust this way of thinking.

When you know you’re cool, you don’t need the validation. With tight game and 9/10 looks (in NYC I got asked if I was a model literally multiple times a day), and results to back it up, I still get horny but I’m incredibly lazy with girls now. I am super efficient though. I almost don’t have to run game and just chatting to girls randomly when I’m travelling I pull fly girls it is so goddamn fucking easy.

Put in the work if you’re not there yet though. Life really is good at the moment

Quote: (05-30-2013 06:05 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

My dad has a notch count around 500, but, he is so old that girls don't really like him anymore.

For sure this is true. BUT in a acute time frame. ie. getting laid a lot a year ago doesnt do shit except reference experience. but getting laid by 10 girls this week will in and of itself make you way more attractive to every girl.

From the social psych literature women select mates on two factors. access to resource and number of simultaneous sexual partners.

On a physical level for the man the pheromones he emits will change to be more attractive as well as his neurochemistry to be more dominant the more sexual abundance he has.
A little trick I use is to hardly ever wash my blanket so it keeps the pheromones from dozens of sexually aroused females on it

On a social level this explains what is known as preselection in the community

Girls can smell your swagger so to speak. The day after I fuck a hot chick my confidence is high and I feel like every girl belongs to me.

Quote: (12-20-2018 01:11 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Girls can SMELL your swagger so to speak.

Very literally this is true. Pharamones are processed through the olfactory system.

Lmao no.. there is no instinct meter the fuck ? It's like that study that showed people think everyone is looking at them after a haircut.

No one gives a fuck or notices

I'm at 550. Don't think I get any more pussy thrown at me then when I was a n00b.

I think though because I have so much reference experiences, I'm able to tell what a girl who's keen on fucking me behaves likes towards me so I'm able to strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

Namely they're just extremely compliant and it seems like there's very little I could do wrong. It's easy to let it get to your head but often the girl was just into you and the same behaviour with a girl who's not into you could make you start doubting yourself as well if you let it.

Girls don't approach you more or get more attracted to you even. You just become better at converting the interaction into a lay. More experience, more sense of entitlement, less mistakes...

When you have many positive reference points with women subconsciously everything you do is better like your body language and your general vibe. You are also much more likely to pass a girl up early on if you sense she's not interested rather than spend ages trying to "game" her when there are times it's just never going to happen. That comes with experience, the number itself means nothing.

Since I've had a high notch count, I do feel like I'm more attractive to women but that's probably a confidence things and I genuinely don't think there's a girl that's too good for me. Walking around the world with that sort of vibe makes everything so much easier. That being said, it's easier but pussy definitely isn't thrown at me.

I personally think that the ability to mix with social circles (even on a somewhat superficial level) & ability to control frame have more of an impact really. Being able to get the girl eventually isolated, keeping her hooked while controlling the tone & frame of the situation is key. Certainly there is luck involved but I have found these above factors to have more of an impact.

Whether your notch count is on the lower or modest side or you've bedded more chicks than Wilt Chamberlain at the end of the day......how would the girl know unless you tell her or there's some hearsay or gossip around the town / surrounding your local rep?

Now if you're at the extreme low end or a virgin or an incel. I'm sure women can likely pick up on that based off of your vibes.

I have a high notch count (200+, maybe 300, but only because I had 20 years of time to bring the number up) but, at least in my case, it did not change my charisma that much. It totally depends on the woman. Some women are rather shy so I "become" the alpha guy. Others are very dominant, hence I easily turn into a little mouse.

Maybe I'm the exception of the rule, but to be honest, I guess I was more "successful" back in my 20s, just because a) not too many rejections accumulated yet and more importantly b) the rejection rate was better, i.e. I was more successful than today. Why? I don't know, I really don't know, unfortunately. I am way more succcessful when I am in vacation (almost like in my early 20s), I don't know why, maybe girls are easier in other countries, maybe it's because my apartment is never farther away than a few minutes? I had a car in my early 20s and I always drove straight to my apartment when I picked them up at the train station. I guess I was just hornier back then. I never had enough after 1 orgasm, unlike today, where 2 orgasms per week are totally enough for me. Maybe the sex drive is just not that high anymore and I'd need some testosteron to play like I played in my early 20s.

Then again, I remember that I visited a holiday destination twice, one time in my early 20s and one time mid 30s. And I was way, way more successful in my mid 30s. However, I invested a lot more time into it. And in my early 20s I was always drunk in the evenings. So I can't really compare.

I guess the only thing that would help me is financial freedom. Not being rich but having enough money to not have to work anymore. That would seriously improve my results I guess, not only because of the energy level (no 8-5 job) but mainly because I'd think I achieved something (although it's very superficial, sorry for that).

Ah and one last thing. I became a bit too philosophical maybe. In my early 20s, I wasn't that philosophical yet. So I could keep the conversation quite superficial, guess that helped. But from 25y/30y on, I wanted to go deeper and deeper in the discussions, and I guess some girls thought I'm a freak or not really interested in them but rather in the topic itself.

So, as crazy as it sounds, I guess to get all the hot women, you can't move away too far from the mainstream. I wish I could be more mainstream sometimes, at least to get some hotter women .

Quote: (12-23-2018 02:38 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

I'm at 550. Don't think I get any more pussy thrown at me then when I was a n00b.

I think though because I have so much reference experiences, I'm able to tell what a girl who's keen on fucking me behaves likes towards me so I'm able to strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

Namely they're just extremely compliant and it seems like there's very little I could do wrong. It's easy to let it get to your head but often the girl was just into you and the same behaviour with a girl who's not into you could make you start doubting yourself as well if you let it.

Agreed. Remember that a woman decides if she's going to fuck you within a few seconds of meeting you - yes or no. Identify the ones who are a 'yes' and don't do anything stupid to mess up the process. Ignores the ones who are a no. It's a cold lead. That's about it.

The biggest players in the world will all admit that they failed hundreds or even thousands of times. They just stepped up to bat more often and realized that rejection means nothing.

Me, I got coated in Teflon after my divorce. There was a day when I realized that no woman could ever hurt me again the way I'd just been hurt. That realization has colored all my interactions with women. Now I'm ZFG to the max. I make fun of them if I feel like it, compliment them if I feel like it, teach them something if I feel like it, and ignore then if I feel like it. It's really, really liberating.

Quote: (05-30-2013 06:52 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

As a player, it is best for girls to never know the "real" you. The "real" you will more than likely cause you to be ridicule, destroy your ego when you see the reactions of people.

If you want girls to know the real you then approach them by saying " Hi, I Doulos and I am a player who has fucked countless women and will continue to do so even if you provide me with more sex than humanly possible because this is the way I was destined to live either because of genetics or the environment I grew up in, but either way I will still make sure I provide the basic needs you are looking for in a male the only thing is that I want fuck other girls on the side. Do you still like me?

Nothing wrong with saying that and that's basically what I tell every girl. Makes them want me even more.

Quote:Savanola Wrote:

Remember that a woman decides if she's going to fuck you within a few seconds of meeting you

Source?