Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

There's a lot missing from this story. Either she's ugly or you're attractive, or both,

I'm pretty average looking and she looks good and has a Look.

I do have Vibe and Presence but that is because I am Ice Cold.

However, this was nothing special.

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

or you happened to screen well for an extremely horny girl that was into your archetype.

She was looking Bored mostly.

Every girl is in to my Archetype - fly, mysterious, assertive, world-traveled player

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Girls giving their number out in front their social circle is a moonshot event.

Except that it is not.

I run that same play ALL the time in the Bay with results.

Here's what usually happens:

Girl is receptive and gives up the digits. Maybe a friend of hers answers for her and then I play the group and can often walk away with the number still by being charming and talking up how I want to take her friend out.

But if you dip in with something simple to get her attention, and work the social frame of "oh I just saw you and don't want to interrupt what you are doing but go out with me some time" then there's not much reason for her to just blow you out.

Sometimes the girl is flattered but begs off with some social excuse and then I either bounce or keep pushing depending on the situation.

The other thing is that this wasn't even her social circle really and she was bored with them. Easy in and something I recognized just from looking around. Even if she had been the center of the social circle I would have probably still made a move though because she was fly.

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

P.S. I've gone out every weekend for the last month in SF. Temple, Audio, Polk St., Marina. Stayed out until last call most of these nights. Did not once see a guy "pull" a girl outside of his circle.

Maybe I was the only one doing this in the Bay...

On a serious note though you probably haven't been paying attention. Plenty of one night things going down on Polk and in the Mission. Post outside of Maye's or Beauty Bar on a Saturday night and watch.

I stay away from the Marina because the white cougars there like me too much.

Though this specific example was not a pull from the spot and not a weekend or in a party district. Just low key lounge with a good vibe.

I got her digits and set up a day two and then after some one on one face time it was a wrap.

My point is that the barrier for entry is Basic Game and being able to talk to a girl In Real Life. Crazy stuff.

Quote: (04-02-2018 05:44 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

There's a lot missing from this story. Either she's ugly or you're attractive, or both,

I'm pretty average looking and she looks good and has a Look.

I do have Vibe and Presence but that is because I am Ice Cold.

However, this was nothing special.

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

or you happened to screen well for an extremely horny girl that was into your archetype.

She was looking Bored mostly.

Every girl is in to my Archetype - fly, mysterious, assertive, world-traveled player

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Girls giving their number out in front their social circle is a moonshot event.

Except that it is not.

I run that same play ALL the time in the Bay with results.

Here's what usually happens:

Girl is receptive and gives up the digits. Maybe a friend of hers answers for her and then I play the group and can often walk away with the number still by being charming and talking up how I want to take her friend out.

But if you dip in with something simple to get her attention, and work the social frame of "oh I just saw you and don't want to interrupt what you are doing but go out with me some time" then there's not much reason for her to just blow you out.

Sometimes the girl is flattered but begs off with some social excuse and then I either bounce or keep pushing depending on the situation.

The other thing is that this wasn't even her social circle really and she was bored with them. Easy in and something I recognized just from looking around. Even if she had been the center of the social circle I would have probably still made a move though because she was fly.

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

P.S. I've gone out every weekend for the last month in SF. Temple, Audio, Polk St., Marina. Stayed out until last call most of these nights. Did not once see a guy "pull" a girl outside of his circle.

Maybe I was the only one doing this in the Bay...

On a serious note though you probably haven't been paying attention. Plenty of one night things going down on Polk and in the Mission. Post outside of Maye's or Beauty Bar on a Saturday night and watch.

I stay away from the Marina because the white cougars there like me too much.

Though this specific example was not a pull from the spot and not a weekend or in a party district. Just low key lounge with a good vibe.

I got her digits and set up a day two and then after some one on one face time it was a wrap.

My point is that the barrier for entry is Basic Game and being able to talk to a girl In Real Life. Crazy stuff.

I can't comment on your attractiveness because there are no photos allowed here. Would have to wait until we Game in real life in SF sometime. I can only say that my experience in the community is that most attractive guys think they are average looking, simply because they have limited concept of the difference that facial attractiveness makes in seduction (for example, attractiveness makes things exponentially, not linearly easier).

I can only say that I've not heard of your reality matching up with anything I've seen here.

I've been outside Mayes on two Saturdays during closing. I've been keeping close watch, because I've been studying the social dynamics of nightgame as I go out, seeing as how I'm so new to this. Did not see a single pull.

The barrier to entry is more than Basic Game. I have Intermediate Game. I've fucked over 50 girls from mostly online and daygame in the past two years. I'm jacked and have zero approach anxiety, and guys I've met out the past few weekends said I have natural game.

So clearly I'm doing something wrong, or our realities do not match. As you are literally the only person in the SF Game community (I'm also counting guys I wing with, RSD guys, etc.) who doesn't think it's insanely hard here, I'm betting on the latter.

Not trying to bust on you corsega because it seems you are at least making an effort so that's a good thing but the odds of you having game (naturally) is essentially zero, even if other guys think you have game (what do they know)

The only people with natural game are the criminal/degenerate types who don't get too hung up in the social conditioning of our culture. Social conditioning is a good thing. It's probably why you've never been to prison and have no problem banging girls off tinder and online.

Banging girls does not equal game. You can bang a girl with zero game and even anti game.

Besides the ego hit (which, really shouldn't happen) realizing you have no game is the best thing that can happen. Now you can focus on learning actual game.

The problem is, you don't get any results and either 1. Beat yourself up (I have muscles and money why can't I get women! And go Eliot Rodger) or (more likely, since you already get results) 2. It's impossible, all girls in clubs are just attention whores, no one picks up in bars! It's all social circle.

I use to work at a call center and we had a saying, 20% of callers would buy no matter what, 20% of callers would not buy no matter what, our job was to convince the 60%.

That's essentially how it works with the dating market. 20% will bang you without game (basically all of your bangs you've had so far), 20% won't bang you no matter what you do, it's the 60% that you need to game to convince.

This analogy isn't completely true, going up to 5 girls in a club doesn't mean one will bang but I think you see my point.

Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays are better for one night stands than Friday and Saturday. My favorite is a weeknight night when two girls come in alone to "get a drink at the bar", one of them is most likely single and looking for dick. They might legitimately be catching up and not want to get hit on but those girls will tell you they are just trying to catch up with an old friend and to leave them alone. But regardless of that you should be going out 4 nights a week for atleast 4 months (in addition to studying game) before you can expect to have any sort of understanding of game anyways.

Also, I think it would be difficult to spot a dude that picks up a girl for a ONS because they will look like friends or a couple. Conversely, it's easy to realize when a dude gets blown out.

Well, I fully admit I have very, very beginner nightgame. That's what I'm working to improve this year. I feel like I'm doing all the right things. I approach with strong body language, good tonality, eye contact, I kino aggressively, etc. that's why it's so frustrating.

Like, I watch all the videos from JMULV/RSD Julien, etc. and they basically say all the same stuff that I do already.

But it's tough to evaluate how I'm doing compared to other guys when I don't see any other guys around here who are getting laid either. Only guys I know of who do well in SF are Evil Stifler and this guy Brian: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4py_gZ...zug/videos

On a night out I typically do about 15-20 approaches and get 2-3 numbers/Instagrams.

I'm gonna keep going out for sure and try to find some dudes to wing with that know what they're doing.

Go out and practice more. Weekdays not just weekends.

Like I said I use that approach ALL the time and it works well.

Also like I had said before work on your hook so that you get better conversion rate from open to number.

I rarely make 20 approaches in a night but tend to walk away with more numbers (maybe a third to half of sets I get digits on a good night). Usually because it doesn’t take that many to get a good hook for the rest of the night.

If you saw me pull from a club it would look like the girl and I are old friends or actually together not that we had met an hour ago.

Quote: (03-09-2018 09:30 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I follow the JMULV method, which emphasizes quick screening, a lack of gamey shit, just normal conversation and fast closing:
thread-52261.html

I saw your heated exchange with Krauser on his blog about this guy. I fully side with Krauser, this guy's a fraud after watching the following video and some others (bear in mind, almost everyone puts out their best material they have:






Weak sauce. Semi-autistic off-timing laughter to boot, directionless in navigating the approach and... WTF is he wearing sun-glasses at all times during the approach? This ok-ish for a beginner, doing sheepish nice guy game (whereas he himself advocates alpha-male behaviours and "stop being a pussy") not a self-proclaimed coach claiming to have fucked upwards of 500 women. His advice is run off the mill "insights". A guy claiming he fucked 800 girls and dishing out to "stop expecting every girl to like you" as one of his seven golden "insights" is just too much to stomach.

By the way, the black girl he approached, she never replied to his date request, I'd bet £200 no problem.

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I already know all I needed to know about pick-up! What doesn't mean I'm a great PUA. You know why? Because I need to practice more!!!

Hence, I'm looking for wings to go out with me in SF (or bay area) and do some approaches. It could be day or night game but I'm more into the day game thing.

I arrived in SF 3 months ago and did let;s say 15 day game approaches and got 3 FB contacts. But that is very little. I want multiply this number x10 and get a few lays.

In Brazil I used to approach 1-2 girls every single day and got quite a few bangs including one same day lay. but here I got lazy!

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CYA

Quote: (04-09-2018 03:31 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2018 09:30 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I follow the JMULV method, which emphasizes quick screening, a lack of gamey shit, just normal conversation and fast closing:
thread-52261.html

I saw your heated exchange with Krauser on his blog about this guy. I fully side with Krauser, this guy's a fraud after watching the following video and some others (bear in mind, almost everyone puts out their best material they have:

Weak sauce. Semi-autistic off-timing laughter to boot, directionless in navigating the approach and... WTF is he wearing sun-glasses at all times during the approach? This ok-ish for a beginner, doing sheepish nice guy game (whereas he himself advocates alpha-male behaviours and "stop being a pussy") not a self-proclaimed coach claiming to have fucked upwards of 500 women. His advice is run off the mill "insights". A guy claiming he fucked 800 girls and dishing out to "stop expecting every girl to like you" as one of his seven golden "insights" is just too much to stomach.

By the way, the black girl he approached, she never replied to his date request, I'd bet £200 no problem.

Update on my nightgame progress with a field report from last night. I've probably gone out 18 nights this year.

I figured out that one of my big sticking points is venue selection. I spent the entire night, from 11-2:15, at Temple, solo. Girls seemed to be much more open to rapid escalation, kino, and potential single night lays, than bars on Polk St. or the Marina.

I approached 30+ sets during the night. The most notable:

1. Right after entering I walk into the bar and the hottest girl (6.5) out of an Asian 3-set immediately locks eyes with me and offers me a sip of her drink. She and her friends are a little drunk. I engage her and the friends for 30 seconds, then I grab her by the hand and isolate to a wall near the entrance. Heavy kino, I'm playing with her hair, asking logistical questions (they are visiting from Sacramento and staying in a hotel). But as I'm doing this, after 5 minutes or so, she says she has to get back to her friends. I say "2 seconds, 2 seconds", but she's off. I say "find me later". 20 minutes later I find her and her friends again. To the fat friend "I like your friend, but can I trust her?" Her fat friend says yes and pushes me toward her saying "go get her!" and trying to hook us up, but suddenly my girl is unreceptive. I go to my girl again and try to lead her to the bar and she rejects me.

2. ~30 year old white 7 visiting with friends from Healdsburg. I walk up to her, strong eye contact, and say "I see you working it over there". She's clearly drunk. We talk for a minute, and then she says "I have to tell you, I'm just here with my friends, I'm not here to meet guys. You are incredibly handsome, though, and I love how confident you are." I try disqualifying with "I'm not here to meet girls, I'm actually really shy." She ejects and says "we'll see each other later in the night". I see her three times later in the night. First time she's with her friends dancing, I dance with them but she's not very receptive so I eject. Second time, 30 minutes later she's being grinded on by some fat bearded guy. I AMOG him, grab her arm, and lead her away. She ejects, saying "that's my boyfriend" (it most definitely wasn't). Third time, she's passed the fuck out in the smoking section being looked after by her gay friend.

3. 37 year old Jamaican 6.5 visiting from Houston. She's walking across the club floor alone in high heels. I engage with strong eye contact and immediately start leading her towards the bar where it's easier to hear. She says "I'm not leaving" and I handle the objection with "we're just going to the bar". She's more into me than any girl has been during all my nightgame sessions. Flopping all over me, etc. I'm hugging her, pulling her hair, whispering into her ear, etc. Here with 2 friends but they're off in another part of the club. 10 minutes of banter, including me telling her "If no one was here right now, I'd bend you over and do bad things to you". I seed the pull and say she should come get a drink at my place. She insinuates I want to hook up with her and I say I don't hook up. "Then why do you want to have a drink with me if you don't want to hook up, I'm older than you, I know what guys want, blah blah blah", I keep disqualifying saying I'm very shy, eventually I keep spilling water on her cause she's flopping all over me and she gets mad and leaves.

4. Taiwanese 7.5 in the hallway, I use my "we have to kick you out, there's no texting allowed here" fake bouncer opener, she runs away, I laugh and say I'm kidding. Pull her back, chat for 3 minutes, she has to get back to her friends, she's laughing and fairly compliant. WhatsApp close. At 2:30 AM she texts me asking if I'm still in the venue, I was already on my way home. I ask her to Uber to me, no answer.

Lots of other girls during the night I chatted with for 30 seconds-2 minutes, then they would eject with "I have to go find my friends". I'm not sure how to handle this objection. What do I do, do I re-approach later, do I make them stay? Or am I getting the objection because I'm being too forward and showing too much intent?

“Lots of other girls during the night I chatted with for 30 seconds-2 minutes, then they would eject with "I have to go find my friends". I'm not sure how to handle this objection. What do I do, do I re-approach later, do I make them stay? Or am I getting the objection because I'm being too forward and showing too much intent?“

Sounds like you’re getting a window of opportunity based on your looks (no instant blowouts) but they sense something is “off” with your vibe.

Judging from your posts you might be coming across as too robotic/autistic.

You might be do better with foreign/non-native English speakers. Maybe try seeking these venues?

That's not bad man, I've been to Temple before, its a great venue if you're trying to get practice with opening lots of different girls, and it can absolutely work for pulling same night. Definitely a lot of Asians but there's cute girls out there forsure. Here's a few pointers.

- The "I have to find my friends" objection will always happen at clubs like this when you escalate quickly. Always, and ESPECIALLY early in the night. I know this based on a lot of experience with going to these types of places. Very few girls are going to leave their friend group to fuck a guy within a few minutes unless its late in the night and she's really interested. After you open a girl, isolate her for a little, and get some positive feedback that she's at least somewhat into you, you should proceed in one of two ways.

1) Say that you have to go back to your friend group, use the bathroom, whatever, and leave her before she has the chance to leave you. You can also grab her number/whatsapp if you want. I usually say something like "I'll probably end up losing you in here, but you seem cool so put your number in, I'll be around". Then, when you re-engage her later, you're doing so from a position of strength.

2) Proactively walk with her back to her friend group and integrate with them. Talk to the other girls, find out where they're from, ask about the DJ, etc etc. If there's guys in the group, talk to them too. People sometimes say that by doing this you can waste your entire night with a group and then not end up pulling, but I would avoid that by integrating with a group for no more than ~20 mins unless by that time, it is clear your girl is DTF later, and the logistics are reasonable or better (ie: she didn't drive in from San Jose with 7 friends). 20 mins isn't a long time in the scope of a night out.

- With the set #2 that you describe, that is a type of chick that I would recommend avoiding. Somehow these are always white girls haha. Obviously drunk girls like that look like the easiest pull, but the sloppiness, shitty sex, and possibility of a false accusation makes me avoid them. If you want to play that game, you make your moves FAST. Verbal escalation is useless. You should be making out within a minute and then figuring out logistics for the bang. If she's not interested, next.

- Later in the night, when there isn't as much time to play the long game, you can generally be much faster with escalation. You clearly have no approach anxiety and have experience with women, but as you've said, most of your experience comes from dates. In venues like this, you can move much faster than on a date. Set #4, who was clearly interested, is a good example. I'm assuming you opened her at ~130 or so. I would've broken the touch barrier ("kino") within 10 seconds, and probably try to kiss her within a minute or two right there in the hallway.

- For the situation when a girl is clearly into you, you've already made out and talked dirty (like #3) but she is is having doubts, you should tell her that you're grabbing an uber, and she can either go with you or not. If she doesn't, then you leave. If she does, you've got it. I've pulled a 50/50 girl several times like this. Push her to make a decision.

Overall good stuff. In short, the strategy should be to play the long game earlier in the night with girls that you get a good vibe from (even working in w/ their group), and then escalating very quickly to the pull later in the night. If you want see how fast nightgame pulling can be, you should go clubbing in Las Vegas at some point. It is scary how fast one can pull at night in the right circumstance.

Quote: (05-27-2018 04:39 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  

Sounds like you’re getting a window of opportunity based on your looks (no instant blowouts) but they sense something is “off” with your vibe.

Judging from your posts you might be coming across as too robotic/autistic.

You might be do better with foreign/non-native English speakers. Maybe try seeking these venues?

I have decent looks for club standards, I have a nice physique and wear a tight V-neck to show it off. I don't get too many blowouts, and when they do happen, it's either a fast cockblock from a friend or because I'm too aggressive.

Temple is very much a non-native venue (lots of Asian girls). Not really my thing but it's the closest club to my house, so logistics win there.

Quote: (05-27-2018 06:51 PM)RDF Wrote:  

That's not bad man, I've been to Temple before, its a great venue if you're trying to get practice with opening lots of different girls, and it can absolutely work for pulling same night. Definitely a lot of Asians but there's cute girls out there forsure. Here's a few pointers.

- The "I have to find my friends" objection will always happen at clubs like this when you escalate quickly. Always, and ESPECIALLY early in the night. I know this based on a lot of experience with going to these types of places. Very few girls are going to leave their friend group to fuck a guy within a few minutes unless its late in the night and she's really interested. After you open a girl, isolate her for a little, and get some positive feedback that she's at least somewhat into you, you should proceed in one of two ways.

1) Say that you have to go back to your friend group, use the bathroom, whatever, and leave her before she has the chance to leave you. You can also grab her number/whatsapp if you want. I usually say something like "I'll probably end up losing you in here, but you seem cool so put your number in, I'll be around". Then, when you re-engage her later, you're doing so from a position of strength.

2) Proactively walk with her back to her friend group and integrate with them. Talk to the other girls, find out where they're from, ask about the DJ, etc etc. If there's guys in the group, talk to them too. People sometimes say that by doing this you can waste your entire night with a group and then not end up pulling, but I would avoid that by integrating with a group for no more than ~20 mins unless by that time, it is clear your girl is DTF later, and the logistics are reasonable or better (ie: she didn't drive in from San Jose with 7 friends). 20 mins isn't a long time in the scope of a night out.

- With the set #2 that you describe, that is a type of chick that I would recommend avoiding. Somehow these are always white girls haha. Obviously drunk girls like that look like the easiest pull, but the sloppiness, shitty sex, and possibility of a false accusation makes me avoid them. If you want to play that game, you make your moves FAST. Verbal escalation is useless. You should be making out within a minute and then figuring out logistics for the bang. If she's not interested, next.

- Later in the night, when there isn't as much time to play the long game, you can generally be much faster with escalation. You clearly have no approach anxiety and have experience with women, but as you've said, most of your experience comes from dates. In venues like this, you can move much faster than on a date. Set #4, who was clearly interested, is a good example. I'm assuming you opened her at ~130 or so. I would've broken the touch barrier ("kino") within 10 seconds, and probably try to kiss her within a minute or two right there in the hallway.

- For the situation when a girl is clearly into you, you've already made out and talked dirty (like #3) but she is is having doubts, you should tell her that you're grabbing an uber, and she can either go with you or not. If she doesn't, then you leave. If she does, you've got it. I've pulled a 50/50 girl several times like this. Push her to make a decision.

Overall good stuff. In short, the strategy should be to play the long game earlier in the night with girls that you get a good vibe from (even working in w/ their group), and then escalating very quickly to the pull later in the night. If you want see how fast nightgame pulling can be, you should go clubbing in Las Vegas at some point. It is scary how fast one can pull at night in the right circumstance.

Bro. Fantastic advice and you read my situation well, I will be taking this to heart when I go out tonight. If anyone reading this thread wants to join me, shoot me a PM.

I am all about fast pulls and not wasting time, so I definitely want to try out Vegas or some other sort of "party" location sometime.

Quote: (05-27-2018 07:53 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Temple is very much a non-native venue (lots of Asian girls). Not really my thing but it's the closest club to my house, so logistics win there.

Good venue choice! Asian + logistics is a slam dunk for white guys. Maybe focus on FOBs over Americanized Asians? A lot of autistic quirks will be smoothed out and "lost in translation" due to the language/communication barrier.

Quote: (05-28-2018 05:38 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  

Quote: (05-27-2018 07:53 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Temple is very much a non-native venue (lots of Asian girls). Not really my thing but it's the closest club to my house, so logistics win there.

Good venue choice! Asian + logistics is a slam dunk for white guys. Maybe focus on FOBs over Americanized Asians? A lot of autistic quirks will be smoothed out and "lost in translation" due to the language/communication barrier.

I found FOBs wayyyy less receptive than the slutty Americanized Asian girls. Also, there were way more cockblocking groups with alpha mother hens with the FOBs.

P.S. this venue is the best I have seen in SF: http://barbarossalounge.com. Surprised I haven't seen anyone else mention it. I've never seen girls that hot at any other venue.

corsega, I’ve had similar experiences with FOB Asians. There’s always one sourpuss unavailable cockblock friend, and FOB Asians almost never leave their friends.

Having said that, one of my night game slays last year was a 22 year old Korean who’d just arrived to Toronto a week prior. Found her dancing alone and got in right away. Her friend was occupied by another (white) guy at the other end of the bar at the time. Pulled her out of the venue before the friend could run interference. The friend even called to check in when she got to my apartment!

Quote: (08-17-2013 11:23 AM)DVY Wrote:  

All this SF or LA or DC sucks is like saying "Marinara Pasta sucks because it has tomato sauce". Each city has its own culture. Try to find one, that meshes with you. Or change your vibe/venues to suit your tastes.

At least LA and SF is better to meet single girls than Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, etc......

Quote: (08-12-2018 05:13 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Quote: (08-17-2013 11:23 AM)DVY Wrote:  

All this SF or LA or DC sucks is like saying "Marinara Pasta sucks because it has tomato sauce". Each city has its own culture. Try to find one, that meshes with you. Or change your vibe/venues to suit your tastes.

At least LA and SF is better to meet single girls than Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, etc......

SF and LA are better than the One Night Stand Capital of America in Las Vegas? Or even places like Denver, Phoenix, Albuquerque, or Salt Lake City where the women over there are more cooperative by default? All of those cities, even Vegas, don't have as much competition when it comes to guys with money, have a reasonable cost of living to the point where you're considered a competent man if you make $50K, and where a $1,500/month apartment or house can be a panty dropper.

Quote: (08-12-2018 08:21 PM)SuS Wrote:  

SF and LA are better than the One Night Stand Capital of America in Las Vegas? Or even places like Denver, Phoenix, Albuquerque, or Salt Lake City where the women over there are more cooperative by default?

Western states have horrible gender ratios where there's more single guys than single ladies. It's difficult trying to find single girls when they are in committed relationships or marriage. Or they have tons of guys waiting in line to date them and you're thrown in the very back of the line

Quote: (08-15-2018 12:10 AM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2018 08:21 PM)SuS Wrote:  

SF and LA are better than the One Night Stand Capital of America in Las Vegas? Or even places like Denver, Phoenix, Albuquerque, or Salt Lake City where the women over there are more cooperative by default?

Western states have horrible gender ratios where there's more single guys than single ladies. It's difficult trying to find single girls when they are in committed relationships or marriage. Or they have tons of guys waiting in line to date them and you're thrown in the very back of the line

To quote my female acquaintance, a San Franciscan, on the subject of why she chose to marry my college best friend, another San Franciscan but a normal dude with a normal job:

"I chose John [the best friend] over a guy who would go away on business trips and leave me his American Express Black. No questions asked. I'm a good person."

Sure... a good person who waited until she was thirty and 50-100 lbs overweight to settle down with a guy who she had dated in high school and miraculously "fell in love with again." Yes, he is beta. But even at thirty and extremely overweight, this girl had a lineup of richer guys ready to spoil her, for what I gather was pretty far into their relationship.

Just how it is in San Francisco. One reason you couldn't pay me to live there.

Been in the area for seven years, some thoughts:

1. FOBs are much easier to pull than local Asians. This is because many of them have come here to escape their own conservative cultures. It is better to find the ones who are just here temporarily, rather than those that want to move here, since they will go much faster. They are really active on OKC in terms of online dating, or you can find them at any EDM venue in SF. In person you have to get the number fast.

2. Do not bother with Man Jose.

3. One advantage to dating in the area, particularly online dating, is that most other men are autists and lack very basic game. You will stand out for not being in tech. Women have told me that every other date, the app was more interesting than the guy, and that they remembered the app more than the guy.

4. Most of the competition is doing highly ineffectual dinner dates or visiting cafes. I've found it's much better to go on a walk or hike. Particularly if you learn both the trail and the history of the area. Sutro Baths is a favorite, though many girls will have been there. But there are a lot of areas that are a bit steep and make getting physical really easy. The Botanical gardens are worth learning as well, they are free if you are in the city (or have a receipt that says you live in the city in your email).

5. You'll be judged by what neighborhood you are from-- a part of my challenge is that I am not in the city proper. Even though I am much closer than someone in the Sunset, just living outside of SF can impair chances/logistics.

6. Not sure if you guys know this, but there is a website guestlistnation, that can get you free entry into Temple and other clubs. Worth checking out.

7. There are a few very unique venues that have great prospects that I have tapped recently. My night game is mediocre to average at best, but there are some seriously good prospects. I actually need a wing to tap them, because while they are DTF they are in groups. I won't give out the exact logistics here. It's a sausage-fest most of the time, but the other guys are usually extremely low quality and the girls are pretty hot.

8. Churches are amazing. Most of the girls at the churches are mid-20s and very thirsty. If you go there as a guy you will get approached and the ratios are ridiculous. Many of them are really just there to "find a good Christian man". You have to watch out though for the two extremes-- the not-until-marriage girls and the girls who are at Church because they whored it out so much that their social circles are fried. I won't say names of specific churches, but look for the youth focused ones.

9. Classes and meetups are great sources.

10. The endup allows you one last shot at a hookup if it's really late.

While I think the Bay Area is not that great, I am really happy with my pipeline of FOBs.

Even I have to confess, FOB game isn't bad out there in SF. Though it's way better in other cities (NYC, DC - even Vegas), if I had to spend a lot of time in SF that's what I'd focus on. FOBs are always better no matter where you go versus the bananas (yellow on the outside, white on the inside) americanized Asians.

Churches - now that's something I hadn't thought of - especially not in San Fran. Would have figured they'd have all been converted to gay bars by now.

Spent 2 weeks in the bay area. Was staying in east bay so didn't bother going out in SF downtown due to poor logistics. Tried Berkeley one night but it seemed there was no night life (maybe its summer). Mostly went out to the local bar/club.

Managed to score once at the local main street. It was actually the quickest one so far, 2 minutes in club (previous record was from another west coast forum black listed city) proving that there are exceptions to rules. Nice 20y/o seniorita that did that whole ditsy Dorothy act in bed.

Didn't day game really aside from the last weekend I was there.. was busy with work. Some notes - white girls looked surprised/scared/completely lost their inner empowered act when some white guy approaches them. Didn't really get anywhere with them but 4/5 where hipster types anyway which I am not into.

Saw some couples where the guy legitimately looked like a eunuch, I had to confirm with my friend that they where not just a butch lesbo's (maybe trans?). Or maybe there is something in the water in SF. Wouldn't surprise me..

Also noticed the feminist types Ive read in this thread that cant hide their micro facial expressions for their disgust towards you.

I might have discovered a secret day game game technique. Actually discovered it by accident a while back, but it happened again on this trip, so im going to intentionally try it now. Met two 18 year olds outside a coffee place in eastbay with this method. One half black the other one white. No need to put bangable fresh out of hs graduation pussy on a scale. Talked for like 3 minutes, I went inside, got coffee and came back out to sit with them. I actually bounced out of convo 15 minutes later.. Not sure why I didnt grab their number, it was almost my last day and they had plans later but the vibe was great. Really I didn't think I would be coming back here for work; but the next day I was told maybe Ill be back in two months. Really annoyed at myself but at least it seems like I confirmed a potential secret technique (might post later, need a bigger sample size).


Anyway guys, make the best of what you can. Everyplace has its pros and cons.

Quote: (08-16-2018 10:11 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

I might have discovered a secret day game game technique. Actually discovered it by accident a while back, but it happened again on this trip, so im going to intentionally try it now. Met two 18 year olds outside a coffee place in eastbay with this method. One half black the other one white. No need to put bangable fresh out of hs graduation pussy on a scale. Talked for like 3 minutes, I went inside, got coffee and came back out to sit with them. I actually bounced out of convo 15 minutes later.. Not sure why I didnt grab their number, it was almost my last day and they had plans later but the vibe was great. Really I didn't think I would be coming back here for work; but the next day I was told maybe Ill be back in two months. Really annoyed at myself but at least it seems like I confirmed a potential secret technique (might post later, need a bigger sample size).

Secret daygame technique = talking to girls at a coffee shop? I... what?

Quote: (08-16-2018 10:11 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Didn't day game really aside from the last weekend I was there.. was busy with work. Some notes - white girls looked surprised/scared/completely lost their inner empowered act when some white guy approaches them. Didn't really get anywhere with them but 4/5 where hipster types anyway which I am not into.

Saw some couples where the guy legitimately looked like a eunuch, I had to confirm with my friend that they where not just a butch lesbo's (maybe trans?). Or maybe there is something in the water in SF. Wouldn't surprise me..

Also noticed the feminist types Ive read in this thread that cant hide their micro facial expressions for their disgust towards you.

The part about the white girls getting caught off guard - it could be that they're so used to guys like that eunuch type never approaching that they're genuinely flummoxed when someone has the balls to talk to them. But how quickly did they snap back into character once you got rolling?

Glad to hear you sorta made it work with what you had. Try SF proper and you'll find the whole city fits your observations from the East Bay, dialed up a notch or two.

My thoughts after a few days there last week: Wednesday I did the paper rock scissors pub crawl. It was pretty fun.. if you have nothing better to do on a Wednesday, it's a good option.. easy to open girls with the Paper Rock Scissors cards.. my friend and I both pulled. Thursday we went to Playland.. it was packed but no talent. Also checked out Kozy Kar which was interesting with the hardcore porn playing on the tvs. Friday we had a good crew going out.. although we did look like douchy group of 6 chads.. Started at the Brixton I believe.... classier joint, then went to Jaxson. Jaxson was as good of a bar for picking up as I could dream up. All 6 of us went home with girls that night.

Anyway.. overall I'd say I had a pretty good time there... good nightlife and a pretty good overall vibe in the city. It was definitely more enjoyable in the summer than last time I was there in December. Regarding the SJWs and what now, I didn't notice it a ton. There are enough tourists in town and people coming from other states for tech jobs that you can make it work for sure.

Hello,
I knew that San Francisco was a beautiful city, but it exceeded my expectations. What a beautiful site !!! The many hills of the city allow to have a breathtaking view of every corner especially at the top of the Coit Tower.