Quote: (05-06-2018 03:46 PM)pargan Wrote:  

I kind of feel like girls going for older guys is a meme. Like a beer said girls don't really need a provider these days and even if they do they can easily find some pushover to give them money and they most likely won't consider that guy their boyfriend.

Everything is about appearances and girls these days don't want to be seen with a guy that is too old. I feel there is an age gap where girls might consider it hot but then there is an age where they start considering the guy old, I'm wondering around where that is. However it is much lower then a lot of guys on here are saying, I doubt college girls would consider a 50 year old hot but they could possibly consider a wealthy 30-year old that has his shit together attractive.

I think you are way off on this one. Not to derail this thread but if it is all about looks. Then there is no reason for this entire forum or game at all. You just put a pretty boy out there that is age correct and he will be loaded with women.

But that is not how it is. I have known several pretty boys that cant find their ass with both hands and never know what to do with a beautiful woman. I have also known guys that were ugly fat and bald and were awesome with women. That debate has been done on this site many times.

I can tell you for a fact that I have dated several women that were much younger than me, one was 24YO, another 26, and one 31. And never did money come up one time. And when my looks came up they told me that I am very good looking. And to be honest I am more average looking than good looking.

But you and beer are judging men's looks the way men are looking at attractiveness. Men look at a woman and know nothing about her and can tell you very quickly if she is hot or not. Women are much more complex. They look at a man and they want to know what he is like, what he does for a living, how he speaks, how he reacts to her shit tests, how he is around other women. Then she starts to see a man that is attractive to her.

If you don't believe this then look at someone like Mick Jagger or Kieth Richard. How in the fuck do women swoon over these ugly motherfuckers and then gush about how gorgeous they are? Simple; being attractive to a woman is a very different thing than what attractive is to a man.

If that doesn't wash with you then take a look at this video. This dude is not only ugly he does not have any money. But he kills it with young beautiful women. Many many women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjfrMeUIQW4

Now can we get back to what this thread is about? Does anyone have any real-life success stories of older men and younger women and how they succeeded?

I didn't really say anything about looks and I definitely didn't say looks are the only factor. When I said "Everything is about appearances and girls these days don't want to be seen with a guy that is too old." I was just saying that a girl being seen with a much older guy might lower her perceived value of herself and it might lower other peoples opinions of her. In this social media age girls want to be seen as cool and interesting and having a much older guy on their instagram would most likely not do them any favors in that department except in rare situations such as if the guy was famous or had some other similar value booster.

Quote: (05-06-2018 04:05 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-06-2018 03:46 PM)pargan Wrote:  

I kind of feel like girls going for older guys is a meme. Like a beer said girls don't really need a provider these days and even if they do they can easily find some pushover to give them money and they most likely won't consider that guy their boyfriend.

Everything is about appearances and girls these days don't want to be seen with a guy that is too old. I feel there is an age gap where girls might consider it hot but then there is an age where they start considering the guy old, I'm wondering around where that is. However it is much lower then a lot of guys on here are saying, I doubt college girls would consider a 50 year old hot but they could possibly consider a wealthy 30-year old that has his shit together attractive.

I think you are way off on this one. Not to derail this thread but if it is all about looks. Then there is no reason for this entire forum or game at all. You just put a pretty boy out there that is age correct and he will be loaded with women.

But that is not how it is. I have known several pretty boys that cant find their ass with both hands and never know what to do with a beautiful woman. I have also known guys that were ugly fat and bald and were awesome with women. That debate has been done on this site many times.

I can tell you for a fact that I have dated several women that were much younger than me, one was 24YO, another 26, and one 31. And never did money come up one time. And when my looks came up they told me that I am very good looking. And to be honest I am more average looking than good looking.

But you and beer are judging men's looks the way men are looking at attractiveness. Men look at a woman and know nothing about her and can tell you very quickly if she is hot or not. Women are much more complex. They look at a man and they want to know what he is like, what he does for a living, how he speaks, how he reacts to her shit tests, how he is around other women. Then she starts to see a man that is attractive to her.

If you don't believe this then look at someone like Mick Jagger or Kieth Richard. How in the fuck do women swoon over these ugly motherfuckers and then gush about how gorgeous they are? Simple; being attractive to a woman is a very different thing than what attractive is to a man.

If that doesn't wash with you then take a look at this video. This dude is not only ugly he does not have any money. But he kills it with young beautiful women. Many many women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjfrMeUIQW4

Now can we get back to what this thread is about? Does anyone have any real-life success stories of older men and younger women and how they succeeded?

Because they're rich rockstars? you can't compare rich celebrities with the average guy who drives a toyota

Quote: (05-06-2018 04:28 PM)bluemarvel Wrote:  

Quote: (05-06-2018 04:05 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-06-2018 03:46 PM)pargan Wrote:  

I kind of feel like girls going for older guys is a meme. Like a beer said girls don't really need a provider these days and even if they do they can easily find some pushover to give them money and they most likely won't consider that guy their boyfriend.

Everything is about appearances and girls these days don't want to be seen with a guy that is too old. I feel there is an age gap where girls might consider it hot but then there is an age where they start considering the guy old, I'm wondering around where that is. However it is much lower then a lot of guys on here are saying, I doubt college girls would consider a 50 year old hot but they could possibly consider a wealthy 30-year old that has his shit together attractive.

I think you are way off on this one. Not to derail this thread but if it is all about looks. Then there is no reason for this entire forum or game at all. You just put a pretty boy out there that is age correct and he will be loaded with women.

But that is not how it is. I have known several pretty boys that cant find their ass with both hands and never know what to do with a beautiful woman. I have also known guys that were ugly fat and bald and were awesome with women. That debate has been done on this site many times.

I can tell you for a fact that I have dated several women that were much younger than me, one was 24YO, another 26, and one 31. And never did money come up one time. And when my looks came up they told me that I am very good looking. And to be honest I am more average looking than good looking.

But you and beer are judging men's looks the way men are looking at attractiveness. Men look at a woman and know nothing about her and can tell you very quickly if she is hot or not. Women are much more complex. They look at a man and they want to know what he is like, what he does for a living, how he speaks, how he reacts to her shit tests, how he is around other women. Then she starts to see a man that is attractive to her.

If you don't believe this then look at someone like Mick Jagger or Kieth Richard. How in the fuck do women swoon over these ugly motherfuckers and then gush about how gorgeous they are? Simple; being attractive to a woman is a very different thing than what attractive is to a man.

If that doesn't wash with you then take a look at this video. This dude is not only ugly he does not have any money. But he kills it with young beautiful women. Many many women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjfrMeUIQW4

Now can we get back to what this thread is about? Does anyone have any real-life success stories of older men and younger women and how they succeeded?

Because they're rich rockstars? you can't compare rich celebrities with the average guy who drives a toyota

Yes I understand they are rich rockstars. But they are telling you that these ugly dudes are so gorgeous. Oprah Winfrey is rich and famous but she is still butt ugly. See the difference?

Somehow Tom Arnold got it up for Roseanne Barr and kept it up long enough to launch his career.

Quote: (05-06-2018 04:20 PM)pargan Wrote:  

I didn't really say anything about looks and I definitely didn't say looks are the only factor. When I said "Everything is about appearances and girls these days don't want to be seen with a guy that is too old." I was just saying that a girl being seen with a much older guy might lower her perceived value of herself and it might lower other peoples opinions of her. In this social media age girls want to be seen as cool and interesting and having a much older guy on their instagram would most likely not do them any favors in that department except in rare situations such as if the guy was famous or had some other similar value booster.

You have it completely twisted opposite. How many hot women with older guys have told you their value is lower? Curious as to the source, facts or even justification behind that statement.

Well one thing women do is they shop. What they typically look for (who cares) but women go to many stores and try to find something "no other woman is wearing"...that's different (Stephen Hawking got married now that's different)

If only women were just like men. Men only want barbie and we go to one store to get what we want.

Staying with the women shopping analogy....young guys are Walmart and Target.....older guys are speciality high end shops

Even when I was a young guy in my 20's I was Wal Mart......lousy job....future unclear...no money.. e.t.c (chick interest on LTR with me ZERO)
When I got into my 30's.... my job was better...I had a bit of money...future looked brighter but it still involved work and grind (got the LTR and Divorce) Why do the divorces happen? work/grind no time for the relationship and typically tits up over money shitty sex

All women know the above happens....and splitting up or divorcing happens quicker and quicker. It is too the point of just hooking up to make a baby and then the couple go separate ways (her knowing she'll be a broke single mother...with government help)

In my 40's and now 50's things have definitely changed. The culture has changed along with society (for the worse..for women)
2018 is the 10th anniversary of the smartphone. The loneliest most depressed full of anxiety are the 20 somethings.( a recent study)

Happiest people the older people!

As has been stated previously the trade off for youth/beauty (best breeding years of women) is the older Alpha male who has it all.
For a woman its a choice of a hard risky life or a life of wellbeing and security.

A lot of women tried the feminist path" it's a lie and tried the Walmart boys and came away disillusioned then tried to follow a low paying career which only lead them back once again to lonely depressed (full of tattoo's) on anxiety meds.

Women are back to shopping and they have a list and they don't give a fuck what every other girl is wearing (beta male) they want something different (Alpha).

Are women selfish today?
Do they care what their divorced parents think?
Are women more isolated from society?
Is there any community to care about?....tattoo's piercings...lesbianism...almost naked in public (I like) the list is long...but woman don't give a rats ass "on appearances" anymore

If a girl is shopping and the older guy is a mannequin he better have the good life on....on what he wears and how he patiently interacts with a shopper so she knows she's getting a good deal....better than her friends.

You're looking for "open ended" greetings or conversions that woman use to leave the door open for you to talk more it's an invitation. Most guys don't recognize this window or it comes along unexpectedly and later they curse themselves for missing it
You...it's a great day!
Her...it is a great day isn't it .....

Your looking for direct eye contact and a smile ..at any venue where it doesn't call for it...meaning anywhere but a bar.
This is the best clue she wants to engage further with you. (meet....then friendly...then interest...then attraction)

Quote: (05-06-2018 07:24 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

You have it completely twisted opposite. How many hot women with older guys have told you their value is lower? Curious as to the source, facts or even justification behind that statement.

That's just the thing you don't really see many hot women with older guys in western society. Most men are so beta today even if a girl needs a provider she can get someone no problem to pay all her bills and she probably won't even consider this guy a boyfriend/partner just another beta.

When women have no need for a provider they are much more likely to stick with someone their age. And having a much older guy on her instagram or other social media would most likely not be seen as cool, it could even give other people the impression she is sugaring and she definitely doesn't want that. You're asking for sources but this is pretty subjective, all things the same young girls prefer guys somewhat close age wise to them.

Quote: (05-06-2018 08:09 PM)Incubus Wrote:  

Staying with the women shopping analogy....young guys are Walmart and Target.....older guys are speciality high end shops

Hearing this just sounds like your coping to me. If you compare young guys to walmart and older guys to specialty high end shops you're out of touch with reality.

Yes it's true generally the older a guy gets the more money he will have and the more established in his career he will be. But like I said girls have so many provider options these days, they can just take money from a beta and still not give them the time of day. Girls these days more so want to have fun and be seen as cool/high status.

You're also greatly underestimating the amount of guys that could be seen as high value. Yes most young males are beta in this generation but I could also say the same for older people. How often do you say a married man 40+ that is completely controlled by his wife and looks completely destroyed. Most couples I see have a miserable husband and a wife that controls all the strings, that seems very beta to me. Older men are not some kind of super alphas they can be just as beta or even more so then younger guys.

There are also high value young guys that most girls know that they would be happy to be with. A lot of these guys have higher value being things such as athletes, frats, making decent money, just having their shit together in general and being fun.

Quote: (05-06-2018 03:55 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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Congratulations for staying in great shape but I have seen fat and bald guys in their late 40s clean up. They just have more game than you. Not rich either, about what you'd expect.

I do not believe this.

Well maybe not bald but thinning hair. Guys who are 250-280 lbs.

Anyway, you don't have to believe it. I've done it myself, and I've seen others do it. 7s - 8.5.

Quote: (05-06-2018 08:09 PM)Incubus Wrote:  

You're looking for "open ended" greetings or conversions that woman use to leave the door open for you to talk more it's an invitation. Most guys don't recognize this window or it comes along unexpectedly and later they curse themselves for missing it
You...it's a great day!
Her...it is a great day isn't it .....

Your looking for direct eye contact and a smile ..at any venue where it doesn't call for it...meaning anywhere but a bar.
This is the best clue she wants to engage further with you. (meet....then friendly...then interest...then attraction)

Great comment can you elaborate a little?

Girls I fucked in 2017 (I was 47):

25 (daygame)
27 (okcupid)
20 (tinder)
35 (craigslist)
28 (tinder)
24 (tinder)
23 (tinder)
24 (daygame)
26 (okcupid)
21 (okcupid)
24 (tinder)
18 (okcupid)
22 (tinder)
24 (tinder)

Quote: (05-06-2018 03:55 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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Congratulations for staying in great shape but I have seen fat and bald guys in their late 40s clean up. They just have more game than you. Not rich either, about what you'd expect.

I do not believe this.

Hopelessness contains 100% of the hopeless

Quote: (05-07-2018 01:40 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

Girls I fucked in 2017 (I was 47):

25 (daygame)
27 (okcupid)
20 (tinder)
35 (craigslist)
28 (tinder)
24 (tinder)
23 (tinder)
24 (daygame)
26 (okcupid)
21 (okcupid)
24 (tinder)
18 (okcupid)
22 (tinder)
24 (tinder)

How old are you? And on the online sites do you use your real age?

Quote: (05-07-2018 04:29 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-07-2018 01:40 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

Girls I fucked in 2017 (I was 47):

25 (daygame)
27 (okcupid)
20 (tinder)
35 (craigslist)
28 (tinder)
24 (tinder)
23 (tinder)
24 (daygame)
26 (okcupid)
21 (okcupid)
24 (tinder)
18 (okcupid)
22 (tinder)
24 (tinder)

How old are you? And on the online sites do you use your real age?

Sorry missed your age. Good work. Also I have always thought of tinder as a young mans game. What to attribute your sucess to. I have barely got any responses. Let alone dates.

Montrose what country are you in?

I’m in France but I also used tinder and okc in NYC with relatively more success. I usually declare that I am 34 or 35 on websites. Girls can’t tell the difference and they don’t care how old you are if you’re cute.

I attribute my success on Tinder to using ‘super likes’ (I pay Tinder Plus subscription), being into BDSM (this intrigues many girls), and having very good text game.

If you keep in good shape and look after your skin, you'll look 29 at 40, and 20yr olds be fucking 29yr olds on the regular.

Quote: (05-07-2018 05:17 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

I’m in France but I also used tinder and okc in NYC with relatively more success. I usually declare that I am 34 or 35 on websites. Girls can’t tell the difference and they don’t care how old you are if you’re cute.

I attribute my success on Tinder to using ‘super likes’ (I pay Tinder Plus subscription), being into BDSM (this intrigues many girls), and having very good text game.

This here is the critical point. If you look mid 30s and put in your profile that you're 34-35, have decent game obviously, then you can pull that younger age group. You can even pull from a bar or day game if you look younger. Putting your real age of mid to late 40s won't work on Tinder or Ok Cupid.

I remember one time I was at a bar with one of the forum members celebrating his bday and he had this friend who was 22yrs old and I was getting along well with her, making her laugh, talking about partying in Vegas etc. I told her I was divorced and had been married for 20 years which I did because I didn't care about picking her up (I actually don't like girls that young, too immature for me) and she was shocked, asked me half jokingly if I got married when I was 12. When I told her my real age, she was in shock, thought I was a lot younger.

Point here being that if I had put my game face on, told her I was 33 and went for it, I might have gotten somewhere with her but once she knew my real age, there was no chance. Again, I was fine with it as I didn't have any real interest in her. The age stigma is very real and anyone hamstering that away is just fooling themselves. However, you can work around it, it's not impossible but it is much harder than if you are in your late 20s, early 30s and you will get rejected a lot more.

I look young if I shave, which I hate doing, and my beard is about 80+% white. Not fooling anyone with this look.

I coloured it for a while but then I thought it looked too phony and I needed to do it more than once a week. Plus it didn't match what's left of the hair on my head so I just said "fuck it" it is what it is and I am what I am.

I am not actively out trying to pick up at the moment though, have something good going, which makes it easier to let the white and greys come out.

There are a few guys on the 40+ thread who are convinced that leaving their gray is a help rather than a hindrance. I don't have an opinion but I'm open to the idea.

Good thread, maybe it's just like laughing at your jokes, but you can definitely get them to say that you look much younger.

When it comes down to it, if they like you they like you ... but the stumbling blocks are clearly still social stigma and [related] as I've said many times before, ACCESS. When communities have dissolved (where do you think the 20 year old girls were from in the 1940s and 50s?) and the smartphone or social media is what "links" people instead of tight knit trust, what you get is fascination with novelty, fantasy and entertainment vs. what works in relationships = principles and trust.

Quote: (05-08-2018 01:14 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

There are a few guys on the 40+ thread who are convinced that leaving their gray is a help rather than a hindrance. I don't have an opinion but I'm open to the idea.

Hard to say. I haven't noticed any particular surge in young attractive females being interested in me.

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that at 46, those days are in the rearview mirror.

Many people believe and have tested the theory that you will get more looks and likes if you have facial hair.

Unfortunately for me I do not have enough to make any semblance of a beard or I would try it.

Quote: (05-08-2018 01:14 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

There are a few guys on the 40+ thread who are convinced that leaving their gray is a help rather than a hindrance. I don't have an opinion but I'm open to the idea.

I've been called a silver fox more than once by college girls I've banged. I don't have a lot of gray but you can definitely see it. I do have a youngish face though and can pass for mid-late 30s.

Some young girls have no idea how to puzzle out a man's age, everything from like 8-25 years older looks the same to them if you're in shape.

Get yourself in a target-rich environment, and the ones that fantasize about older guys will give you plenty of IOIs. Whether that's bars or daygame or yoga or whatever. You still have to bring the game no matter what and be ready to deal with flaky behavior.

Every girl I've banged except one the past 5 years has been 20+ years younger than me. The other one was 29 - tall nordic blonde with curves and amazing blue eyes. The most recent bang was 25 years younger. The sorority girl I banged the most was 19 when we met.

Don't let self-limiting beliefs hold you back. I never thought I could meet a hot 20yr out for drinks for 1-3 hours, take her to my apt/hotel, bang her roughly & then send her home when I was a young man. And so I couldn't.