Wow... That's how I describe my experience on this forum.... This community inspired me to step out of my comfort zone, over a year ago, and to see the world. I've never lied, or told half-truths on this forum-- I can not bring myself to lie about this stuff. But today, I've finally decided to tell you the truth about me... As Jordan Peterson says, "tell the truth."-- I'm a virgin.

Maybe you know me from the forum, maybe you don't... But this situation has been weighing on me for a long time. Being 20-30, it is troubling to me that I haven't yet lost my virginity. And I'm closer to 25 than 20, by the way.

To be honest-- and I try to be completely honest on this forum-- is really hard. But I don't lie to you guys. I don't engage in P2P or anything like that. I am religious, and loosing my virginity never happened.

It is weighing heavily on me, and I try to be positive, but in our current society I feel like I have zero value as a 20+ yr virgin. I believe handily in the values of this forum, but I don't know what I'm supposed to do...

~~Dragan~~

A few questions:

Why? Why haven't you lost virginity?
Is religion a major part of this?
Have you had any LTR's?
What's the most sexual thing you've done with a woman?

and finally why do YOU think you're still a virgin?

Quote: (03-09-2018 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A few questions:

Why? Why haven't you lost virginity? I suspect religion, or latent religous tendencies.
Is religion a major part of this? Yes, I think so. I have always been religious, but I've never tried to discard PUA ideology.
Have you had any LTR's? This is very hard for me to admit, but the last one I had was in Grade 8.
What's the most sexual thing you've done with a woman? Well, I had a couple kisses in Grade 9.

and finally why do YOU think you're still a virgin? This is a serious issue for me--I try to not to objectify women-- I think it's a legacy of my religion, or just an issue of failing to follow-through with women...

"I try to not to objectify women"

What does this have to do with talking to women?

Do you WANT to lose your virginity?

Being open and honest with yourself is extremely important - it's also alot easier to discuss this with men that have been in the same boat - anonymously makes it even better.

What is the religion you practice? Do you consider yourself very religious? Secular? Somewhat?

What do you mean latent religious tendencies?

Fair enough, at least you admitted it, Grade 8 was over a decade ago and we need to address that along with kissing a girl back in grade 9.

How do you fall through with women? Give us some examples

How do you think you're capable of objectifying women? Define what objectifying women means to you.


Congrats, you've made a HUGE step, you've admitted that you've got a problem and are addressing it.

Don't be afraid to lay it out all there.

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:04 PM)Repo Wrote:  

"I try to not to objectify women"

What does this have to do with talking to women?

Ok. I don't view women as objects (this probably sounds beta or sigma?), but we all have sexual desires, right? I guess it means I have trouble talking to women, and it's some cultural programming deeply ingrained into me. I can explain further...

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Do you WANT to lose your virginity?

Well yes brother, it is weighing heavily on me.

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Being open and honest with yourself is extremely important - it's also alot easier to discuss this with men that have been in the same boat - anonymously makes it even better. Thank you, it is a lot easier here, and I wouldn't expect decent advise from family or some friends.

What is the religion you practice? Do you consider yourself very religious? Secular? Somewhat? I would say somewhat religious, but I think it's a legacy of my religion or, failure to go through with meeting girls. Protestant.

What do you mean latent religious tendencies? See above.

Fair enough, at least you admitted it, Grade 8 was over a decade ago and we need to address that along with kissing a girl back in grade 9. Agreed.

How do you fall through with women? Give us some examples I think shyness, although I have been taught to be more extroverted... I would say the obvious problem in the West is the so-called dynamic, аlthough I am not blaming anyone-- I am introverted.

How do you think you're capable of objectifying women? Define what objectifying women means to you. Well, we're all capable of objectifying, but from my posts, I'm sure it's clear I'm looking for a wife.... Objectifying obviously means viewing a woman as a sexual object.


Congrats, you've made a HUGE step, you've admitted that you've got a problem and are addressing it. Thank you, trying to be honest, that's the first step.

Don't be afraid to lay it out all there.

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:10 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Do you WANT to lose your virginity?

Well yes brother, it is weighing heavily on me.

When's the last time you took a proactive step towards losing your virginity? I.E. chatting up a girl, getting serious about a diet, going on tinder, etc.

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:39 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:10 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2018 04:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Do you WANT to lose your virginity?

Well yes brother, it is weighing heavily on me.

When's the last time you took a proactive step towards losing your virginity? I.E. chatting up a girl, getting serious about a diet, going on tinder, etc.

Well man, it would have been yesterday.... I chatted up a bartender that knew my close relative... (and it was un-solitcited ).... But the time before woulda been 2 days ago-- another bartender was making moves on me--- (single mother). I am on a diet, eat one time a day. Tinder--don't do it man, yielded no results.

What was the dynamic between your parents?

Did you ever see them engage in anything romantic?

Did either of them wear the trousers?

Who organised the household?

Was your father passive?

Do you have any male feminist views?

Have you ever thought men are inherently bad and that women are better?

Do you feel you should be overly gallant?

Have you initiated a sexual advance?

Have you turned down a sexual advance?

It's easy enough hombre! There are two places to attack: your self, and your technique. The quality of your partners are going to be dependent on those two variables. As far as technique goes-- learn the steps; A to Z. Then work on mastering each part of the seduction until you're as successful as you want to be.

Quote: (03-09-2018 03:42 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

I believe handily in the values of this forum, but I don't know what I'm supposed to do...

~~Dragan~~

Say no to your hand and yes to pussy.

Look there are one of two problems here... Maybe both.

You don't look very good or you just absolutely suck with women.

So what is it?

If you were on a Christian forum, people would be congratulating you on your self control.

Not a big deal. I was a technical virgin by choice till 28. It took me that long to decide that I was comfortable with the risks and impact of the decision to become sexually active.

Quote: (03-09-2018 05:28 PM)gework Wrote:  

What was the dynamic between your parents? I would say very awkward man, i feel like they had an issue with intimacy.

Did you ever see them engage in anything romantic? Yes, a few times, but it felt out of the norm.

Did either of them wear the trousers? Haha, yes. But my mom more so than my father.

Who organised the household? Mother.

Was your father passive? Yep, believe so.

Do you have any male feminist views? Nope.

Have you ever thought men are inherently bad and that women are better? Haha, nope, thankfully.

Do you feel you should be overly gallant? Mmm... not sure what you mean.

Have you initiated a sexual advance? Nope guess not.

Have you turned down a sexual advance? I believe I have, it was a fatty, lol.

Quote: (03-09-2018 06:36 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Not a big deal. I was a technical virgin by choice till 28. It took me that long to decide that I was comfortable with the risks and impact of the decision to become sexually active.

Bro, this is like the most encouraging post. It feel so mountainous being a virgin. And it seems scary as Hell, by the way.

I'm much older than you but let me tell you a story.

After fighting in a few wars, this was about 12-15 years ago, I came home thinking to myself I was going to finally live and be free and enjoy life.

But I didn't feel free. I still felt constrained by society and what they thought and said I should do. I felt lucky to be alive and I promised myself I would live an amazing life, but I didn't really know where to begin or what to do.

So I went to the beach in the middle of spring break, I guess I was your age at the time, and I said "you know what, I'm going to walk this bitch in a speedo." So I did. And it was embarrassing to me. I felt everyone was starring, even though they probably didn't even notice I existed. But I did it, and I felt free.

A few years after that, I started exploring concerts and removing my shirt while dancing, usually when everyone else was fully clothed.

A few years after that I went to the nude beach and said to myself, "I'm going to get naked and sit in the corner and hope no one walks by."

A few years after that, I went to other nude beaches and decided to take a walk around naked and talk to women who were also naked.

And then came the kink parties and swinger clubs, where clothing is optional but most of the time, I would walk in wearing a trench coat, nothing underneath, check my coat at the door, look around and say " Guess I'm the only one naked in the bitch tonight, oh well, let's party anyway."

Now, I go to clubs almost every weekend because truthfully, I enjoy dancing because I feel free, and I usually do bring someone home from the club. And the first thing I do when I walk in the door of my apartment is say "Do you mind if I get comfortable and make some coffee?" and of course they say , "No, not at all" So I take my clothes off in front of them, butt naked, and walk over to the percolator and start making a pot of coffee. They laugh. They love it. They say ," Fuck, I'm going get naked too."

The purpose of my story is not to persuade you to become a nudist, exhibitionist, or removing your clothes as some sort of game tactic. I'm just tell you that my life -- the life that makes me happy, all started one day, 13 or so years ago, when I said, I'm going to walk this beach in a speedo. And it took a decade + after that to really build a rock solid confidence and also to realize that this life is short and if you really want to enjoy it, you just got to stop giving a fuck about things and that includes what other people think about you.

So maybe your "walking the beach in a speedo" is just saying hello to a girl in a coffee shop and building it from there. Doesn't matter, go do it. Don't compare yourself to others on an internet forum, we might not be virgins, but I assure you we have our own set of different problems that can be just as shameful to us as being a virgin is to you.

Reading this I immediately see a few things that absolutely need work

Inner game is by far the biggest thing that needs work on here - when you have that then you can conquer your virginity (or hire a whore) I'M JOKING

Self love and living life (LINUX) is important also.

Give a self description about yourself also - race/height/weight/bodyfat/eye and hair color

I mean if you're a 6'2 130lb dude you need put in some work at the gym for example.


Men need to MAXIMIZE ALL the tools they have, their game, their looks, their style, their views etc.

Do you watch porn ?
Do you masturbate ?


If yes to either (or both) you need to quit totally for at least 90 days straight.
Losing your virginity will be A LOT easier that way.


Use this thread:


thread-12879.html

Quote: (03-09-2018 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A few questions:

Why? Why haven't you lost virginity?
Is religion a major part of this?
Have you had any LTR's?
What's the most sexual thing you've done with a woman?

and finally why do YOU think you're still a virgin?

I feel really broken, man. And it's all because of the girls I knew (and it's just coincidence-- literally I think I got a bad break--, and I'm not blaming them for my issues).

I would have to start in grade 8 to give you a full explanation, so I will:

8th grade: She was a girl with a nice ass, so I asked her out, so that's what happened. So we went to the 8th grade dance, and subsequently dated.

9th grade: we broke up (roughly 5 mos. later), and it was a bullshit reason, so I think that probably red-pilled me.

10th grade- nothing notable--although I got feelings for my debate partner and never told anyone.

11th- see above

12th- I think finally I decided on the red pill lifestyle-- but I still had failures. I will explain: In yr. 11 I took a great catholic girl to prom, I would marry her (can't say I've ever met a more incredible girl), but didn't get positive responses from her--guess I wasn't a G. I was also deeply infatuated with the daughter of a preacher, but I was rejected because I wasn't enough of a bad ass. Finally, the girl I took to 12th grade prom was just incredible, but again I wasn't enough of a bad ass to get a date with her.

1st yr college--I got in incredible shape, actually, but I didn't go on any dates actually. I was not doing any alcohol, so I was in the best shape of my life. (Girls were flirting with me, but I was literally too autistic to notice.)

2nd- I think the problems started here, and it was a girl. Actually 2, I believe. Girl 1 was a literal femme fatale, and I fell for her fast. My parents always ask what happened to me this year.... And it was this girl. She was hot as hell but she was a bi-polar drug user/ alcoholic. Girl 2 was a cute alternative chick--the day after I took her on a date she decided she was lesbian--huge blow to me.

Nothing else to report since then, other than frequenting strip clubs--because at least you know what their bottom line is there. And in some way, it is liberating, because you know what their motive is--and you're free to be yourself.

Quote: (03-09-2018 07:23 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

I'm much older than you but let me tell you a story.

After fighting in a few wars, this was about 12-15 years ago, I came home thinking to myself I was going to finally live and be free and enjoy life.

But I didn't feel free. I still felt constrained by society and what they thought and said I should do. I felt lucky to be alive and I promised myself I would live an amazing life, but I didn't really know where to begin or what to do.

So I went to the beach in the middle of spring break, I guess I was your age at the time, and I said "you know what, I'm going to walk this bitch in a speedo." So I did. And it was embarrassing to me. I felt everyone was starring, even though they probably didn't even notice I existed. But I did it, and I felt free.

A few years after that, I started exploring concerts and removing my shirt while dancing, usually when everyone else was fully clothed.

A few years after that I went to the nude beach and said to myself, "I'm going to get naked and sit in the corner and hope no one walks by."

A few years after that, I went to other nude beaches and decided to take a walk around naked and talk to women who were also naked.

And then came the kink parties and swinger clubs, where clothing is optional but most of the time, I would walk in wearing a trench coat, nothing underneath, check my coat at the door, look around and say " Guess I'm the only one naked in the bitch tonight, oh well, let's party anyway."

Now, I go to clubs almost every weekend because truthfully, I enjoy dancing because I feel free, and I usually do bring someone home from the club. And the first thing I do when I walk in the door of my apartment is say "Do you mind if I get comfortable and make some coffee?" and of course they say , "No, not at all" So I take my clothes off in front of them, butt naked, and walk over to the percolator and start making a pot of coffee. They laugh. They love it. They say ," Fuck, I'm going get naked too."

The purpose of my story is not to persuade you to become a nudist, exhibitionist, or removing your clothes as some sort of game tactic. I'm just tell you that my life -- the life that makes me happy, all started one day, 13 or so years ago, when I said, I'm going to walk this beach in a speedo. And it took a decade + after that to really build a rock solid confidence and also to realize that this life is short and if you really want to enjoy it, you just got to stop giving a fuck about things and that includes what other people think about you.

So maybe your "walking the beach in a speedo" is just saying hello to a girl in a coffee shop and building it from there. Doesn't matter, go do it. Don't compare yourself to others on an internet forum, we might not be virgins, but I assure you we have our own set of different problems that can be just as shameful to us as being a virgin is to you.

Bro-- thank you so much for the seriousness of your post--I also want to be a nudist. But the deeper point is much appreciated. Thank you.

Quote: (03-09-2018 07:30 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

Do you watch porn ?
Do you masturbate ?


If yes to either (or both) you need to quit totally for at least 90 days straight.
Losing your virginity will be A LOT easier that way.


Use this thread:


thread-12879.html

Bro I think porn is toxic, but yes I do. I wish I never started--feeling like a king after 10 days of abstaining is the most incredible feeling.