[Delta]

Do you lift weights regularly?

If not, then start and don't quit. I do not have a single better piece of actionable advice for you. Being lean-muscular alone will not get you laid, but it is by far the most straight-forward thing you can do to improve your chances. There is no ambiguity whatsoever, just overwhelm and exhaust your muscles 3-4 times a week. You will look better and feel much more confident and manly.

[Sidney Crosby]

If you want to lose your virginity I bet you could go on a dating app or even craigslist and basically say "I'm a 25 year old (or whatever) virgin and I want to have sex tonight" I bet you would have tons of chicks wanting to fuck, they would get off on it.

Even go on craigslist, post a picture of your dick and say your a virgin and you want sex, go meet the slut at a hotel.

You can lose your virginity tonight, then you won't have anxiety in the future when you are ready to bang out a chick you actually like.

[Dragan]

(03-09-2018 07:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Reading this I immediately see a few things that absolutely need work

Inner game is by far the biggest thing that needs work on here - when you have that then you can conquer your virginity (or hire a whore) I'M JOKING I am a complete mess brother, and it is society that did this man (I can explain),

Self love and living life (LINUX) is important also.

Give a self description about yourself also - race/height/weight/bodyfat/eye and hair color I don't want to be too specific, over 6ft, around 200lbs. White.

I mean if you're a 6'2 130lb dude you need put in some work at the gym for example. haha nope.


Men need to MAXIMIZE ALL the tools they have, their game, their looks, their style, their views etc.

[gework]

(03-09-2018 07:06 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

I would say very awkward man, i feel like they had an issue with intimacy... but it felt out of the norm.
Wore-trousers: my mom more so than my father.
Who organised the household? Mother.
Was your father passive? Yep, believe so.
Have you initiated a sexual advance? Nope guess not.

It seems your model for romantic relationships is the woman leads and initiates. You've seen little of your parents romantic interaction and when you did it was awkward. So it's no surprise that you reference to being "too autistic" to read flirting. Did you have any friends that pushed you with girls? If so, how did that play out?

You mention you like strip clubs because you can just turn up and get what you want, where the girl is essentially in charge. You mention several times you felt that you were overlooked due to not being bad-ass, which may be read as being passive.

You've made a few moves, seemingly starting in 8th grade, going tepid and then more in the 2nd year of college. So you've been burnt and then become passive.

It seems you are more of a conservative and philosophical type of guy and as you've found not many girls, including your Catholic, really care about that in The West. Western girls can indulge in luxury and that's not more conservative, stable guys; it's getting fitted into Chad T. Thundercock's schedule.

So most people in life are passive, because life is painful and getting what you want involves a lot of effort. Most people don't have much of an idea what they're doing and are shuffling about hoping the odd morsel will fall into their lap. They don't do what LINUX did and step outside of the comfort zone and go about fashioning something in the world. It seems your life has conspired to condition you in a way and if you want to change that you need to present yourself with challenges that will recondition your mind.

Right now it appears you are doing nothing and it appears you've been trained and geared to do nothing. You're looking out into the world for an answer that will come from within. I've been there - posting my moans on the internet as to why I was a virgin. I just wanted an easy answer. I wanted to hear nice words and have doors held open for me. I did next to nothing, changed nothing and when I did make a tiny effort I got burnt and instantly shut down. That only changed when I decided to take some action and stick to it. Leaving The West was also a big help.

And as Suits notes, there is some value to not getting in the game early. The girls you mention didn't value who you are, one was mentally ill, another a lesbian. You could have ended up in a whole world of pain with one of those in particular or any other number of femme fatale. I came from a background that was many times worse than it appears yours to be. I had assembled a view of gender relations that was virtually an inverse of what they really are. I had quite a lot of various offers, but had no idea what to do with any advance. And if I did I probably would have been mercilessly bludgeoned in their hamster wheel. The best that could have happened is this I ended up like this:

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-09-2018 08:01 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

If you want to lose your virginity I bet you could go on a dating app or even craigslist and basically say "I'm a 25 year old (or whatever) virgin and I want to have sex tonight" I bet you would have tons of chicks wanting to fuck, they would get off on it.

Even go on craigslist, post a picture of your dick and say your a virgin and you want sex, go meet the slut at a hotel.

You can lose your virginity tonight, then you won't have anxiety in the future when you are ready to bang out a chick you actually like.

This... isn't the worst idea in the world, actually.

[Qwerty]

I understand a lot of this being from a hyper religious background myself. I have come to think that many men are drawn to fundamentalism as a rationalization for their awkwardness. A lot of my difficulties came from enormous sexual shame. Not just shame in sex but also in showing interest. It still comes back if I keep to myself too long. It's easy to do in winter time. Being a late person myself I know this has seriously scarred me emotionally. I don't imagine it will never not. I have a coldness to my personality as a result. I don't know if I really have the same feelings other men do. With women it's more like go through the motions to prove something to myself.

[hedonist]

There are rumors Tesla died a virgin and I think its pretty safe to say he had a bigger impact on humanity than 99% of the manwhores out there.

Just realize that porn producers , many of the big PUA gurus and dating app creators (tinder/ashley madison) have certain (((coincidences))) to them.
The other end of the spectrum might not be as cool as society tries to paint it either.(STI's/becoming jaded/trouble forming bonds/substance abuse etc)

And about the objectifying part....believe me it can happen in the reverse more than society likes to admit, you have expectations that unfortunately might have been the case decades ago in Western society but it rare now with religion falling behind.
There are princesses out there but they are rare as a diamond these days

Do you drink alcohol?

[SamuelBRoberts]

Do you want to fix this or do you just want sympathy?

[Dulceácido]

In the sense of putting it out there on Craigslist or something, this day and age, you could probably do an online auction and make a mint!

[godzilla]

I read that your religious values have been part of your issue. Don't be too worried though. I have a few very religious friends from the middle of PA.

One of them, unfortunately, is still a virgin at the age of 36. He is actually a great looking guy, also in great shape. He has played sports and lifted his whole life.

His failure to find a wholesome woman in the big city has made him extremely angry. He has been fired a few times and has lost a few friends because of it.

Anyways, point is, you have to live in the world you're given, not the world you want. The majority of women you meet at this point in your life are sexually promiscuous and will probably expect you to exhibit the behavior of a sexually active man. You Chatting up a girl is not an effort towards losing your virginity in this day and age. Next time you talk to a girl that might like you, trying touching her thigh, shoulder etc and from there.

Good thread to start reading..

thread-22952.html

[Green-On-GO]

Get into your body and drop the whore/madonna complex..Seems to me you are putting them on the pedestal.

Are you really in the Western Sahara??If so change location ffs

I'm not anti p4p . I see nothing wrong with it and many a soldier I know lost it to a whore.I'm not a American so I give two fucks about it.It's legal in OZ so we don't give a fuck it's just sport fucking to us.

At least it will help you with mechanics.Just make sure whore is super gorgeous or it will disgust you which is bad.

Soldiers have died virgins so it's like a race for these guys.

Are you making more of an issue about it than you should.Some guys lost it at 17 and only fucked 6 girls some lost it at 27 and fucked 60.

The past don't matter now you can't get it back.But you will keep repeating it if you dwell on it.

It's like getting your drivers licence.You might have the female thing of it's special.Same chick who says that loses it to a barman in 15 minutes but she made another dude wait 2 years.I have seen this.I meet chicks that won't fuck their husbands but they'll fuck me in a toilet.I know guys that fucked 100 chicks and their wives won't fuck them after 2 years of marriage.The game never ends.

You can also put yourself into a niche job or position in order to get pussy.Like hospitality work.Even if this is part time.Best is a Euro holiday resort.

Most of all do not get three steps ahead of yourself .Start with a mission to touch then kiss.Don't go straight to fuck ,take it easy on yourself.

And there probably have been girls up for it but you are blind to their IOIs.

And no porn, no jerking off.

Also have you checked your Testosterone levels?

You could even have some underlying physical issue that's killing your libido.

How is your religion serving you? How is it good if you are not happy.

Here's the thing myself included dudes will find reasons not to fuck in order not to go through the rejection.

Dudes want the validation more than the fuck and they will find what ever reason there is not to pull the trigger.

They want 100% assurance they won't get rejected or hurt like before.

So they want to stay in the "Could of zone".



There are no unicorns bro.

[Keepiticy2]

I wish I was still a virgin, I lost mines in the 6th grade due to bullying (all my classmates told me I was the last virgin, didn't even know what the term meant and went out to have sex....turns out I was by far the first to lose my virginity)

I still feel learning game and being good with women is still vital to today's success.

[Ouroboros]

I didn't lose my virginity until the age of 23, and was thoroughly miserable in my early twenties as a result. There were a number of reasons for this which I won't go into unless asked, to avoid derailing your thread. Anyway, what worked for me was the following: improving my clothing, improving my skin, reading Bang/Day Bang/Models to learn basic game, getting a profile on okcupid, faking confidence, memorising some conversation topics before a date so I'd have something to talk about (rehearsing funny and travel-related anecdotes, learning about innocent subjects like pop culture; my genuine interests in science and politics dry pussy exceptionally quickly), and lying about my relationship history, since being a male virgin is a DLV.

[Dragan]

(03-09-2018 09:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 07:06 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

I would say very awkward man, i feel like they had an issue with intimacy... but it felt out of the norm.
Wore-trousers: my mom more so than my father.
Who organised the household? Mother.
Was your father passive? Yep, believe so.
Have you initiated a sexual advance? Nope guess not.

It seems your model for romantic relationships is the woman leads and initiates. You've seen little of your parents romantic interaction and when you did it was awkward. So it's no surprise that you reference to being "too autistic" to read flirting. Did you have any friends that pushed you with girls? If so, how did that play out?

You mention you like strip clubs because you can just turn up and get what you want, where the girl is essentially in charge. You mention several times you felt that you were overlooked due to not being bad-ass, which may be read as being passive.

You've made a few moves, seemingly starting in 8th grade, going tepid and then more in the 2nd year of college. So you've been burnt and then become passive.

It seems you are more of a conservative and philosophical type of guy and as you've found not many girls, including your Catholic, really care about that in The West. Western girls can indulge in luxury and that's not more conservative, stable guys; it's getting fitted into Chad T. Thundercock's schedule.

So most people in life are passive, because life is painful and getting what you want involves a lot of effort. Most people don't have much of an idea what they're doing and are shuffling about hoping the odd morsel will fall into their lap. They don't do what LINUX did and step outside of the comfort zone and go about fashioning something in the world. It seems your life has conspired to condition you in a way and if you want to change that you need to present yourself with challenges that will recondition your mind.

Right now it appears you are doing nothing and it appears you've been trained and geared to do nothing. You're looking out into the world for an answer that will come from within. I've been there - posting my moans on the internet as to why I was a virgin. I just wanted an easy answer. I wanted to hear nice words and have doors held open for me. I did next to nothing, changed nothing and when I did make a tiny effort I got burnt and instantly shut down. That only changed when I decided to take some action and stick to it. Leaving The West was also a big help.

And as Suits notes, there is some value to not getting in the game early. The girls you mention didn't value who you are, one was mentally ill, another a lesbian. You could have ended up in a whole world of pain with one of those in particular or any other number of femme fatale. I came from a background that was many times worse than it appears yours to be. I had assembled a view of gender relations that was virtually an inverse of what they really are. I had quite a lot of various offers, but had no idea what to do with any advance. And if I did I probably would have been mercilessly bludgeoned in their hamster wheel. The best that could have happened is this I ended up like this:

I’ve had a couple buddies who were wings, but they never really pushed me that far when going out. One friend pushed me to get a girls number which I did, and another friend told me a fatty was interested in me, but I refused to go home with her.

I don’t condone strip clubs, I just find myself very relaxed at them—they seem to be one of the few places where you can play whatever character you want. Maybe that’s why I’m prone to them. Also you know what the bottom line is. The women are always in charge, whether you’re in the strip club or out in the real world. That’s why men learn pickup. Again, not condoning strip clubs, but women there have to be more straightforward.

I have been burned by women and thus have a complex.

Yes I overanalyze everything and I don’t like vapid women. I did like the girls in EE a lot more, way more cultured.

I’m not looking for easy answers, just meditating on my problems. Saying publicly that I have a problem. I already feel a lot better about my issue. Oh, and I’m going back to EE in a few months for project Belgrade, so I am taking steps to be outside my comfort zone and meet new women.

I think I understand the hedonism issues with women better now, knowing how promiscuous they all are.

[Repo]

No offense, but keeping it real are you addicted to the internet/smartphone? Some if your threads like US annexing Canada and the intellectual dark web give off that impression.

If you are getting your endorphin rush from online interactions with people you have never met, rather than from real personal relationships, it will continue to be hard to step out of your comfort zone and lead interactions with women. Internet/porn addiction is a real thing that has many men under a spell, both habits have to be kicked.

[Dragan]

(03-10-2018 01:08 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  

Get into your body and drop the whore/madonna complex..Seems to me you are putting them on the pedestal.

Are you really in the Western Sahara??If so change location ffs

I'm not anti p4p . I see nothing wrong with it and many a soldier I know lost it to a whore.I'm not a American so I give two fucks about it.It's legal in OZ so we don't give a fuck it's just sport fucking to us.

At least it will help you with mechanics.Just make sure whore is super gorgeous or it will disgust you which is bad.

Soldiers have died virgins so it's like a race for these guys.

Are you making more of an issue about it than you should.Some guys lost it at 17 and only fucked 6 girls some lost it at 27 and fucked 60.

The past don't matter now you can't get it back.But you will keep repeating it if you dwell on it.

It's like getting your drivers licence.You might have the female thing of it's special.Same chick who says that loses it to a barman in 15 minutes but she made another dude wait 2 years.I have seen this.I meet chicks that won't fuck their husbands but they'll fuck me in a toilet.I know guys that fucked 100 chicks and their wives won't fuck them after 2 years of marriage.The game never ends.

You can also put yourself into a niche job or position in order to get pussy.Like hospitality work.Even if this is part time.Best is a Euro holiday resort.

Most of all do not get three steps ahead of yourself .Start with a mission to touch then kiss.Don't go straight to fuck ,take it easy on yourself.

And there probably have been girls up for it but you are blind to their IOIs.

And no porn, no jerking off.

Also have you checked your Testosterone levels?

You could even have some underlying physical issue that's killing your libido.

How is your religion serving you? How is it good if you are not happy.

Here's the thing myself included dudes will find reasons not to fuck in order not to go through the rejection.

Dudes want the validation more than the fuck and they will find what ever reason there is not to pull the trigger.

They want 100% assurance they won't get rejected or hurt like before.

So they want to stay in the "Could of zone".



There are no unicorns bro.

I try not to put them on a pedestal. I’m in the US.

I’m probably anti p4p, but my friend had a habit of banging whores because regular women were too boring and vapid for him. He gave it up, and now has tremendous success with women.

I’ve thought about being a bartender I think it would make me more confident and I love to make drinks anyway.

Yeah there probably are girls into me, just missed the signs.

I’m starting to think my T is low, but maybe not.

I have an issue sleeping, waking up early in the morning, sleeping more than 8 hrs at a time.

I have basically left the protestant church and in time will convert to Orthodox. Protestant religion is too cucked for me to feel comfortable with it.

[Dragan]

(03-10-2018 02:31 PM)Repo Wrote:  

No offense, but keeping it real are you addicted to the internet/smartphone? Some if your threads like US annexing Canada and the intellectual dark web give off that impression.

If you are getting your endorphin rush from online interactions with people you have never met, rather than from real personal relationships, it will continue to be hard to step out of your comfort zone and lead interactions with women. Internet/porn addiction is a real thing that has many men under a spell, both habits have to be kicked.

Yeah probably am. Spent a lot less time on the computer when I was living in Serbia, because I was always at cafes.

[Dragan]

(03-10-2018 02:35 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 02:31 PM)Repo Wrote:  

No offense, but keeping it real are you addicted to the internet/smartphone? Some if your threads like US annexing Canada and the intellectual dark web give off that impression.

If you are getting your endorphin rush from online interactions with people you have never met, rather than from real personal relationships, it will continue to be hard to step out of your comfort zone and lead interactions with women. Internet/porn addiction is a real thing that has many men under a spell, both habits have to be kicked.

Yeah probably am. Spent a lot less time on the computer when I was living in Serbia, because I was always at cafes.

The place I live in right now is very anti-intellectual, so thankfully I get to chat to a lot of guys on this forum, and feel at least stimulated. It is hard to explain, but there seem not to be many intellectual types here in Texas. I am one of those people that could talk for hours as long as we're not talking about sports or inter-personal drama.

[Going strong]

(03-09-2018 04:17 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 04:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Being open and honest with yourself is extremely important - it's also alot easier to discuss this with men that have been in the same boat - anonymously makes it even better. Thank you, it is a lot easier here, and I wouldn't expect decent advise from family or some friends.

What is the religion you practice? Do you consider yourself very religious? Secular? Somewhat? I would say somewhat religious, but I think it's a legacy of my religion or, failure to go through with meeting girls. Protestant.

What do you mean latent religious tendencies? See above.

Fair enough, at least you admitted it, Grade 8 was over a decade ago and we need to address that along with kissing a girl back in grade 9. Agreed.

How do you fall through with women? Give us some examples I think shyness, although I have been taught to be more extroverted... I would say the obvious problem in the West is the so-called dynamic, аlthough I am not blaming anyone-- I am introverted.

How do you think you're capable of objectifying women? Define what objectifying women means to you. Well, we're all capable of objectifying, but from my posts, I'm sure it's clear I'm looking for a wife.... Objectifying obviously means viewing a woman as a sexual object.


Congrats, you've made a HUGE step, you've admitted that you've got a problem and are addressing it. Thank you, trying to be honest, that's the first step.

Don't be afraid to lay it out all there.

Bad way of thinking, for a virgin, is the following: it's clear I'm looking for a wife. As a virgin, and at your age, you should look for any kind of, preferably not p4p, sex, to get it off your mind - and only months or years later, should you be looking for "your future wife". Don't look for a perfect wife in your situation, look for sex with any OK-looking woman, and see from there what happens.

Also, let me give you a concrete advice, nothing intellectual or philosophical, but... Get on a plane, man. Have you heard of the Philippines? SEA in general?

Being a virgin in the Western world is, well, a curse for Western men who happen to be not top-notch, physically (maybe in your case, it's being a bit fat?) and at the same time, shy. These men become natural victims of the level of game or looks one needs in the West to get laid with good looking slim women. So, there is one cure to the curse: it's called airplanes. Those are wonderful machines that deliver your body to (relative) pussy paradises: use them, as Europe or the US will not treat you well until you have game.

[Geomann180]

(03-09-2018 10:05 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 08:01 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

If you want to lose your virginity I bet you could go on a dating app or even craigslist and basically say "I'm a 25 year old (or whatever) virgin and I want to have sex tonight" I bet you would have tons of chicks wanting to fuck, they would get off on it.

Even go on craigslist, post a picture of your dick and say your a virgin and you want sex, go meet the slut at a hotel.

You can lose your virginity tonight, then you won't have anxiety in the future when you are ready to bang out a chick you actually like.

This... isn't the worst idea in the world, actually.

I don't know where you live but for the love of God don't do this on craigslist. That's just asking for gays or trans-sane person to pretend to a woman until they've got you alone in a room behind a closed door.

Secondly, there's no need to be ashamed to be a virgin. It doesn't mean you're worthing nothing. How many women you have or haven't slept with doesn't define your worth as a man.

So you can take that kind of thinking that comes with our sex obsessed culture and toss it right out.

Secondly, generally things happen because the man makes the move. A woman might flirt and "give you a sign"*, but it's up to you to make things kinetically happen.

If you're unsure how to do this, perhaps start with a kino ladder, a pickup concept that has been beyond useful to me when dealing with girls as I was terrible at reading body language and to tell if they liked me or wanted me.

Here's a picture that gives you an idea (not to be taken verbatim!)

   

The basic idea of a kino ladder is that if you are on "level 1" (touching her hands or something similarly innocuous) you're safe to try one or two levels about (touching her forearms or above). If you try "level 2" and she doesn't recoil or show discomfort, that's your new baseline. You can now try "level 3" or "level 4". If you try level four and she looks a little uncomfortable or are unsure of how to read her, go back to level two. Maybe try to go up only one level (two-->three) instead of two levels at a time. The goal of the game is to get to the highest level as possible (sex), but there's a lot of levels between touching her hand and feeling her up. If she stops you at some point, but you've been able to go a lot of levels in a short period of time, try again later and just stay at the level you're at.

As someone who struggled socially until shortly after highschool (and I am still not perfect), this was tremendously helpful because it gave me permission to touch women (whereas before I waited for them to initiate things) and I was able to get used to it so I wouldn't be so nervous when I did (which does not come off well).

Until then, I was never really in the driver's seat of my love life. I was a passenger who had an idea of the destination but no idea how to get there or even drive the car.

I hope this made sense and helped a little.

All my best to you,

G

[Dulceácido]

Yeah, seriously, what's the big deal? It'll happen. There's no shame in this at all.

[pancakemouse]

(03-10-2018 07:58 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

As someone who struggled socially until shortly after highschool (and I am still not perfect), this was tremendously helpful because it gave me permission to touch women (whereas before I waited for them to initiate things) and I was able to get used to it so I wouldn't be so nervous when I did (which does not come off well).

Until then, I was never really in the driver's seat of my love life. I was a passenger who had an idea of the destination but no idea how to get there or even drive the car.

Seconded on the kino ladder. I was a virgin until age 24, actually. I never needed or really wanted sex, but the reason it too so long is that I never had anyone to teach me this kino so I was always confused on how guys got from "meeting girls" to "sex".

I actually found Roosh's Bang at age 23 and then it all dawned on me how to do it. Made it so that when the opportunity presented itself about 9 months later I was completely in control.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-09-2018 03:56 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A few questions:

Why? Why haven't you lost virginity? I suspect religion, or latent religous tendencies.
Is religion a major part of this? Yes, I think so. I have always been religious, but I've never tried to discard PUA ideology.
Have you had any LTR's? This is very hard for me to admit, but the last one I had was in Grade 8.
What's the most sexual thing you've done with a woman? Well, I had a couple kisses in Grade 9.

and finally why do YOU think you're still a virgin? This is a serious issue for me--I try to not to objectify women-- I think it's a legacy of my religion, or just an issue of failing to follow-through with women...

This encompasses it really in addition to you calling women "vapid".

You still speak about "objectifying women" like a good Blue Pill feminist Beta. You speak about vapid women like an enraged Gamma who is semi-Red Pilled.

There are no simple solutions here - it's all in your head. Go read Rational Male and all the old Heartiste articles and then go and fuck some girl, any girl.

Don't be too proud to fuck a fattie since you are in the US. Even based on your statements I can tell that you are very likely quite weird. Rollo Tomassi has an article on late stage virgins:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/23/l...m-virgins/

Only the super-religious late-stage virgins are still somewhat sane.

You should simply stop thinking about and jump on the wagon. The longer you put it off, the worse it will get. If I was your dad, then I would drag you to a hooker with my own hands. This may seem strange to you in our times where women are giving it away for free constantly, but a mere 50-70 years ago this was the total norm how young men would get laid for the first time. The Christian world consisted of wives/wife-material virgins and hookers with very very few sluts. Hookers were 1000% more numerous in some cities (also partly due to the great gender-ratio for men).

The longer you put it off, the more you will call women vapid and the weirder you will become around them.

[Dragan]

(03-11-2018 05:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 03:56 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A few questions:

Why? Why haven't you lost virginity? I suspect religion, or latent religous tendencies.
Is religion a major part of this? Yes, I think so. I have always been religious, but I've never tried to discard PUA ideology.
Have you had any LTR's? This is very hard for me to admit, but the last one I had was in Grade 8.
What's the most sexual thing you've done with a woman? Well, I had a couple kisses in Grade 9.

and finally why do YOU think you're still a virgin? This is a serious issue for me--I try to not to objectify women-- I think it's a legacy of my religion, or just an issue of failing to follow-through with women...

This encompasses it really in addition to you calling women "vapid".

You still speak about "objectifying women" like a good Blue Pill feminist Beta. You speak about vapid women like an enraged Gamma who is semi-Red Pilled.

There are no simple solutions here - it's all in your head. Go read Rational Male and all the old Heartiste articles and then go and fuck some girl, any girl.

Don't be too proud to fuck a fattie since you are in the US. Even based on your statements I can tell that you are very likely quite weird. Rollo Tomassi has an article on late stage virgins:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/23/l...m-virgins/

Only the super-religious late-stage virgins are still somewhat sane.

You should simply stop thinking about and jump on the wagon. The longer you put it off, the worse it will get. If I was your dad, then I would drag you to a hooker with my own hands. This may seem strange to you in our times where women are giving it away for free constantly, but a mere 50-70 years ago this was the total norm how young men would get laid for the first time. The Christian world consisted of wives/wife-material virgins and hookers with very very few sluts. Hookers were 1000% more numerous in some cities (also partly due to the great gender-ratio for men).

The longer you put it off, the more you will call women vapid and the weirder you will become around them.

Ok.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Also - I don't want to sound harsh here. This is meant in a brotherly manner.

If I was your older brother, then I would simply order the hottest 18 year old escort, have her strip down naked in front of your room, then enter your room and tell her to be active. You can play playstation with her for all I care while she is naked if that is how you want to do it.

And there is no disgrace in it - you will certainly get out of any rut that you boxed yourself in. You are at the right place to learn from it. Even if you won't become a pussy-slayer. You fucking any girl will make it possible to find and keep a good girl and have a sane relationship. You don't have to fuck hundreds in threesomes to be good with that and be the most Alpha man that you can be in the future.