Quote: (03-04-2018 03:42 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

I think I found the disconnect.
Everyone saying the Bay is shit mostly gets at girls online.
Guys should get out more.

Maybe.

However, but just keep your mind open to the idea that the women in the bay area especially the white ones... treat you differently than they treat other men because of your ethnicity. A lot of women here chasing ethnic stereotypes and if you fit, you will find greater success.

I really think THAT is the disconnect. If you were an ethnic Indian programmer... I doubt you could pull even a quarter of the women you do now.

Wise and experienced OP needs to create workshops for the poor bay area guys who just can't figure their shit out. Help out the dudes and make a p$ofit!

Waiting with baited breath for the day game infields around Cal, Stanford, SFSU, SJSU, CSU-EB, the private unis, and popular tourist spots.

Even better, get Netflix to sign on for a series! OP is now famous. Isn't that the point??

Quote: (03-04-2018 07:53 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-04-2018 03:42 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

I think I found the disconnect.
Everyone saying the Bay is shit mostly gets at girls online.
Guys should get out more.

Maybe.

However, but just keep your mind open to the idea that the women in the bay area especially the white ones... treat you differently than they treat other men because of your ethnicity. A lot of women here chasing ethnic stereotypes and if you fit, you will find greater success.

I really think THAT is the disconnect. If you were an ethnic Indian programmer... I doubt you could pull even a quarter of the women you do now.

Doubt that, I've definitely seen Indian guys do fine out here. Plenty of Punjabis with muscle and swag out in San Jose/East Bay. They may suffer in the incredibly white areas but otherwise do okay for themselves. I know an Indian guy married to a Mexican woman who is a solid 8/10.

Same for Asians, I see Asian guys of all stripes killing it here, Asian girls are very attractive also.

The Bay blows more because of cost and logistics than the women IMO. Apart from spoiled ass white girls and SJWs in the city, the rest of the Bay does have some fine ass women. I lived in the South Bay for a couple years, daygamed heavily around Cupertino, Saratoga, Campbell, and San Jose. I found a diversity of beautiful women out here. The hardest thing will be logistics -- you may find yourself in a random ass part of Milpitas (like me) and end up super far from these girls.

WITH all that being said, black guys can definitely clean up here. There aren't that many black people outside of Oakland/Berkeley -- you won't find many in tech/the higher echelons of society. This is actually a good thing for black guys since they won't get tarred with the same negative stereotyping that affects Indian, Asian, and white tech workers in SF. Black guys are seen in a good light in liberal California and can slay in SF.

Note that SF and the rest of the Bay are pretty different. San Jose and SF are different worlds despite being half an hour away from each other. Hell the Mission and the Marina are different worlds despite being in the same city .

Quote: (03-04-2018 09:41 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

Doubt that, I've definitely seen Indian guys do fine out here. Plenty of Punjabis with muscle and swag out in San Jose/East Bay. They may suffer in the incredibly white areas but otherwise do okay for themselves. I know an Indian guy married to a Mexican woman who is a solid 8/10.
Same for Asians, I see Asian guys of all stripes killing it here, Asian girls are very attractive also.
The Bay blows more because of cost and logistics than the women IMO. Apart from spoiled ass white girls and SJWs in the city, the rest of the Bay does have some fine ass women. I lived in the South Bay for a couple years, daygamed heavily around Cupertino, Saratoga, Campbell, and San Jose. I found a diversity of beautiful women out here. The hardest thing will be logistics -- you may find yourself in a random ass part of Milpitas (like me) and end up super far from these girls.
WITH all that being said, black guys can definitely clean up here. There aren't that many black people outside of Oakland/Berkeley -- you won't find many in tech/the higher echelons of society. This is actually a good thing for black guys since they won't get tarred with the same negative stereotyping that affects Indian, Asian, and white tech workers in SF. Black guys are seen in a good light in liberal California and can slay in SF.
Note that SF and the rest of the Bay are pretty different. San Jose and SF are different worlds despite being half an hour away from each other. Hell the Mission and the Marina are different worlds despite being in the same city .

I honestly believe that stereotypes play a large role in female attraction. I think it's much more important than most of us imagine. This is why the stuff the media puts out is very important.

Also a woman's personal identity... how she views herself in the world also plays a large part in female attraction.

All of these factors are stacked against certain guys in the Bay Area. This is why I did really well with black and asian girls, but whites took twice the effort just to bag a 6. Of course this is just my own pet theory so maybe I'm wrong and I just don't calibrate my approach well with these girls.

Quote: (03-05-2018 01:27 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-04-2018 09:41 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

Doubt that, I've definitely seen Indian guys do fine out here. Plenty of Punjabis with muscle and swag out in San Jose/East Bay. They may suffer in the incredibly white areas but otherwise do okay for themselves. I know an Indian guy married to a Mexican woman who is a solid 8/10.
Same for Asians, I see Asian guys of all stripes killing it here, Asian girls are very attractive also.
The Bay blows more because of cost and logistics than the women IMO. Apart from spoiled ass white girls and SJWs in the city, the rest of the Bay does have some fine ass women. I lived in the South Bay for a couple years, daygamed heavily around Cupertino, Saratoga, Campbell, and San Jose. I found a diversity of beautiful women out here. The hardest thing will be logistics -- you may find yourself in a random ass part of Milpitas (like me) and end up super far from these girls.
WITH all that being said, black guys can definitely clean up here. There aren't that many black people outside of Oakland/Berkeley -- you won't find many in tech/the higher echelons of society. This is actually a good thing for black guys since they won't get tarred with the same negative stereotyping that affects Indian, Asian, and white tech workers in SF. Black guys are seen in a good light in liberal California and can slay in SF.
Note that SF and the rest of the Bay are pretty different. San Jose and SF are different worlds despite being half an hour away from each other. Hell the Mission and the Marina are different worlds despite being in the same city .

I honestly believe that stereotypes play a large role in female attraction. I think it's much more important than most of us imagine. This is why the stuff the media puts out is very important.

Also a woman's personal identity... how she views herself in the world also plays a large part in female attraction.

All of these factors are stacked against certain guys in the Bay Area. This is why I did really well with black and asian girls, but whites took twice the effort just to bag a 6. Of course this is just my own pet theory so maybe I'm wrong and I just don't calibrate my approach well with these girls.

You are correct. Stereotypes are everything. Social class is everything. Women will only pretty much only date guys in their social class, or *maybe* above if they are looking for a sugar daddy.

Quote: (03-04-2018 10:18 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Ha man is your advice really to go through Davis or Sacramento on the weekend?

Good grief I don’t even know what to say to that. That’s like saying I should go Game in Trenton instead of Soho.

No, no, it's not. At all.

Because here's the difference: SoHo actually has hot girls. San Francisco doesn't. Oakland doesn't.

Santa Rosa/Davis/Sacramento shit on the Bay's quality of women anyday, for the girls I am into (and this is a big point, it sounds like you are into a different type of girl than I am).

These are the types of girls I'm into:
https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/2017/...o-attract/

Quote: (03-04-2018 06:06 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

I don't waste my time on Tinder or other online shit. Too much work with BS quality. When I lived in the SF Bay Area, I would just take trips to either Davis, Santa Rose or Sacramento. Each about 60-80 miles. Friday and Sat nights in those towns are waaay better than anything in the Bay area. Also, Wednesday's Farmers Market in Santa Rosa is good. In Davis, you can set up at Taco Bell or Jack in the Box and wait until the bars and clubs start closing at 2am and pick off half drunk sorority girls when they come in to eat and order Uber. All the bars/clubs + fast food places are on the same street. If you want to increase your chances scoring, you can hit up the local campus (earlier in the day) and pipeline. It helps if you're somewhat intellectual (I'm polymath) so you don't come as some desperate internet forum loser looking for sex.

How would you close these girls?

Quote: (03-04-2018 12:56 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

Thing about the Bay is that it is niche central. I found myself doing pretty well with Indian girls in a specific suburb who were around a 6 in looks -- shit was like shooting fish in a barrel via Tinder. In the burbs (San Mateo, Palo Alto, etc), your online game needs to be on point. There are not many places to approach and few women out and about -- I regularly work at coffee shops in these areas and see maybe one cute girl every four hours.

Online is actually huge here. People are busy and night life can be cliquey/bad so Tinder can definitely be the way to go out here.

For daygame hit up the community colleges (or UC Berkeley). De Anza in Cupertino, West Valley, Foothill, Ohlone, etc -- girls are a lot more down to earth. There actually are plenty of cute girls in the Bay and great diversity as well. Back when I daygamed I loved being able to spit game at Ethiopian, Guatemalan, Pakistani, and Cameroonian girls all within the space of a couple minutes.

Blah, dating in the bay area is like like dating in Toronto. This guy nails it http://culturewhiz.org/trip-reports/dati...nto-canada

Quote: (03-05-2018 02:08 AM)corsega Wrote:  

Quote: (03-05-2018 01:27 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-04-2018 09:41 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

Doubt that, I've definitely seen Indian guys do fine out here. Plenty of Punjabis with muscle and swag out in San Jose/East Bay. They may suffer in the incredibly white areas but otherwise do okay for themselves. I know an Indian guy married to a Mexican woman who is a solid 8/10.
Same for Asians, I see Asian guys of all stripes killing it here, Asian girls are very attractive also.
The Bay blows more because of cost and logistics than the women IMO. Apart from spoiled ass white girls and SJWs in the city, the rest of the Bay does have some fine ass women. I lived in the South Bay for a couple years, daygamed heavily around Cupertino, Saratoga, Campbell, and San Jose. I found a diversity of beautiful women out here. The hardest thing will be logistics -- you may find yourself in a random ass part of Milpitas (like me) and end up super far from these girls.
WITH all that being said, black guys can definitely clean up here. There aren't that many black people outside of Oakland/Berkeley -- you won't find many in tech/the higher echelons of society. This is actually a good thing for black guys since they won't get tarred with the same negative stereotyping that affects Indian, Asian, and white tech workers in SF. Black guys are seen in a good light in liberal California and can slay in SF.
Note that SF and the rest of the Bay are pretty different. San Jose and SF are different worlds despite being half an hour away from each other. Hell the Mission and the Marina are different worlds despite being in the same city .

I honestly believe that stereotypes play a large role in female attraction. I think it's much more important than most of us imagine. This is why the stuff the media puts out is very important.

Also a woman's personal identity... how she views herself in the world also plays a large part in female attraction.

All of these factors are stacked against certain guys in the Bay Area. This is why I did really well with black and asian girls, but whites took twice the effort just to bag a 6. Of course this is just my own pet theory so maybe I'm wrong and I just don't calibrate my approach well with these girls.

You are correct. Stereotypes are everything. Social class is everything. Women will only pretty much only date guys in their social class, or *maybe* above if they are looking for a sugar daddy.

Quote: (03-04-2018 10:18 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Ha man is your advice really to go through Davis or Sacramento on the weekend?

Good grief I don’t even know what to say to that. That’s like saying I should go Game in Trenton instead of Soho.

No, no, it's not. At all.

Because here's the difference: SoHo actually has hot girls. San Francisco doesn't. Oakland doesn't.

Santa Rosa/Davis/Sacramento shit on the Bay's quality of women anyday, for the girls I am into (and this is a big point, it sounds like you are into a different type of girl than I am).

These are the types of girls I'm into:
https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/2017/...o-attract/

Quote: (03-04-2018 06:06 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

I don't waste my time on Tinder or other online shit. Too much work with BS quality. When I lived in the SF Bay Area, I would just take trips to either Davis, Santa Rose or Sacramento. Each about 60-80 miles. Friday and Sat nights in those towns are waaay better than anything in the Bay area. Also, Wednesday's Farmers Market in Santa Rosa is good. In Davis, you can set up at Taco Bell or Jack in the Box and wait until the bars and clubs start closing at 2am and pick off half drunk sorority girls when they come in to eat and order Uber. All the bars/clubs + fast food places are on the same street. If you want to increase your chances scoring, you can hit up the local campus (earlier in the day) and pipeline. It helps if you're somewhat intellectual (I'm polymath) so you don't come as some desperate internet forum loser looking for sex.

How would you close these girls?

It depends on the vibe. Sometimes they close you! High quality women can detect value within mins and know what they want.

Corsega,

You can get all of those girls you listed in the Bay IF you know where to look AND you have Game.

But if you think you need to be a certain type (what your post is about) then you’re starting from the wrong head space.

I’ve pulled each type of girl you put in the Bay but I’ve got Game. I’m not a frat boy, banger or jacked roid dude either.


All the guys saying you need a specific Look or that Ethnicity is playing in to the success don’t understand how Game works.

Quote: (03-05-2018 08:55 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Corsega,

You can get all of those girls you listed in the Bay IF you know where to look AND you have Game.

But if you think you need to be a certain type (what your post is about) then you’re starting from the wrong head space.

I’ve pulled each type of girl you put in the Bay but I’ve got Game. I’m not a frat boy, banger or jacked roid dude either.


All the guys saying you need a specific Look or that Ethnicity is playing in to the success don’t understand how Game works.

You don't need a certain look or ethnicity, but it helps massively. Girls tend to date/fuck within their social class/social circle.

I'm not arguing that those girls don't exist in the Bay, I'm simply arguing that there's less to go around, and a lot of male competition to deal with.

I've had much greater success with "normal" girls, and girls in general, in every other US city I've gamed in.

Hence, why I continue to contend that SF is the worst city in the US for women.

Quote: (03-04-2018 06:06 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

I don't waste my time on Tinder or other online shit. Too much work with BS quality. When I lived in the SF Bay Area, I would just take trips to either Davis, Santa Rose or Sacramento. Each about 60-80 miles. Friday and Sat nights in those towns are waaay better than anything in the Bay area. Also, Wednesday's Farmers Market in Santa Rosa is good. In Davis, you can set up at Taco Bell or Jack in the Box and wait until the bars and clubs start closing at 2am and pick off half drunk sorority girls when they come in to eat and order Uber. All the bars/clubs + fast food places are on the same street. If you want to increase your chances scoring, you can hit up the local campus (earlier in the day) and pipeline. It helps if you're somewhat intellectual (I'm polymath) so you don't come as some desperate internet forum loser looking for sex.

How would you close these girls?
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It depends on the vibe. Sometimes they close you! High quality women can detect value within mins and know what they want.
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No, I mean how do you *pull* if you don't live there. Their place? Your car?

Quote: (03-05-2018 08:06 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Blah, dating in the bay area is like like dating in Toronto. This guy nails it http://culturewhiz.org/trip-reports/dati...nto-canada

Yup, Toronto is probably the other worst city in North America for Game.

This video couldn't be any more appropriate:

There's nothing appropriate about that video and it has nothing to do with the topic. Take your biased mainstream media sources back to your tradcon forums, we're discussing Game here.

Quote: (03-05-2018 08:55 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

All the guys saying you need a specific Look or that Ethnicity is playing in to the success don’t understand how Game works.

This is a hard discussion to have, because I both agree with you and disagree at the same time.

You know West Indian Archie did some brilliant posts regarding Screening VS. Conversion. I think that topic is very relevant here. I suggest looking it up.

You are most likely running conversion game. It takes way more talent, and time. The majority of guys here are running screening game.

So, I use each technique in different settings. When I'm traveling to an area like the Bay... I will typically run screening game. Women who are not into my particular look and style will be bounced out quickly. Since most women us Ethnic Stereotypes as a basic screening mechanism themselves... I perform poorly with white girls.

Now, when I'm running Conversion game and I'm putting in up to 10 times the amount of effort and time... my success rates are different. When I'm running conversion game I'm typically going after married women. So it's kind of a whole different ballgame. If I tried to run conversion game in the Bay area my success rates would probably increase per girl, but it would require much more effort and time input.

Quote: (03-05-2018 10:04 AM)corsega Wrote:  

No, I mean how do you *pull* if you don't live there. Their place? Your car?

You can get a weekend commuter pad pretty easy from Craig's list or AirBnb. I had one for $500/mo. I was doing the same in LA. Catch a cheap flight, rent a nice place in a good area and enjoy the ride.

Quote: (03-06-2018 04:07 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-05-2018 08:55 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

All the guys saying you need a specific Look or that Ethnicity is playing in to the success don’t understand how Game works.

This is a hard discussion to have, because I both agree with you and disagree at the same time.

You know West Indian Archie did some brilliant posts regarding Screening VS. Conversion. I think that topic is very relevant here. I suggest looking it up.

You are most likely running conversion game. It takes way more talent, and time. The majority of guys here are running screening game.

So, I use each technique in different settings. When I'm traveling to an area like the Bay... I will typically run screening game. Women who are not into my particular look and style will be bounced out quickly. Since most women us Ethnic Stereotypes as a basic screening mechanism themselves... I perform poorly with white girls.

Now, when I'm running Conversion game and I'm putting in up to 10 times the amount of effort and time... my success rates are different. When I'm running conversion game I'm typically going after married women. So it's kind of a whole different ballgame. If I tried to run conversion game in the Bay area my success rates would probably increase per girl, but it would require much more effort and time input.

Blah, it's all just sales. Much of "game" is simply SALES. Nothing really complicated about that

http://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/everything-sales

Conversion game/sales is just pestering some girl over a long period of time. To understand how much "game" works just think of a used car salesman and your decision to buy a car on his lot.

Here's the the type of chicks you meet at Black Caesar's #1 spot = lol

Quote: (03-06-2018 07:15 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Quote: (03-05-2018 10:04 AM)corsega Wrote:  

No, I mean how do you *pull* if you don't live there. Their place? Your car?

You can get a weekend commuter pad pretty easy from Craig's list or AirBnb. I had one for $500/mo. I was doing the same in LA. Catch a cheap flight, rent a nice place in a good area and enjoy the ride.

That's insane, man. I admire the dedication. Love it.

Quote: (03-06-2018 10:47 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Here's the the type of chicks you meet at Black Caesar's #1 spot = lol

I've been to Press Club once. Saw maybe one girl worth approaching. It's not great by any means, but it's decent. Better than almost anywhere in Oakland.

In any case, guys in the RSD Inner Circle Group dropped some more knowledge about Oakland nightgame. I'm going to try it out and report back. I may want to kill myself, but hey, it's an adventure:

http://nkcoakland.com/about-us/event-summary/ - 14th and Webster
https://legionnairesaloon.com - 22nd and Telegraph (Motown Mondays)
https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-double-standard-oakland-2 - 24th and Telegraph
https://www.811parliament.com/ - 8th and Washington (Thursdays and Fridays)
http://www.oaklandera.com/era/calendar.php - 19th and Grand (Fridays and Saturdays)
http://www.lukasoakland.com/Club - 19th and Grand (Thursday, Friday, Saturday)

Here’s the disconnect:

Y’all got to get off the apps and off the internet and in to real life.

It will also help to get some Game.

Quote: (03-06-2018 07:51 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Blah, it's all just sales. Much of "game" is simply SALES. Nothing really complicated about that
http://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/everything-sales
Conversion game/sales is just pestering some girl over a long period of time. To understand how much "game" works just think of a used car salesman and your decision to buy a car on his lot.

I work in sales. I teach sales. It's much more complicated than you think!

Car salesmen are the lowest form of sales guys around. They sit on a lot and wait for customers to come to them... then they try to pressure close people they already know want to buy. You don't walk onto a Suburu lot unless you are interested in buying a Suburu. This is equivalent to guys sitting on Tinder.

The best kind of sales is where you find a way to get in front of a CEO and sell him or her on a multimillion dollar contract. You have a very small pool of targets to chase and even losing one of them could cost you dearly. This is what Black Caesar is talking about!

The fact that you think that you can pester your way into a girls pants... I don't even know what to say to that. I think Black Caesar is right, you need to get off the apps.

I definitely agree it's all about sales, but the analogy is imperfect.

Black Caesar is talking about trying to get chicks to buy a used Subaru when they've already got free access to an Escalade any day of the week, in different colors, with a free full tank of gas.

Tons of work for a dubious payout - I'd just find another less saturated market.

My Game has nothing in common with used car sales, Subarus or Escalades.

The issue is that none of what you all are talking about is Game.

Guys here are going out one day a week for 30 minutes and declaring the night dead at 11. Then they walk home and swipe girls on Hinder and Dumble.

If you are a Shark then this is not how you operate.

If you have Game this is not what you do.

I have no need to sell girls.

I go out to fun spots with chill people. I see chicks that are fly and that I would want to spend some time getting to know in a deeper sense. I talk to them and if we are feeling each other then things go down from there.

Very little complicated about it.

If you are at a spot and can’t make things happen with a girl or two of YOUR CHOICE then you need to go back and work on your fundamentals.

I don't get all the hate for online around here. If you're in a burb like Fremont it's frequently the only way to go and there are a surprising number of females looking around on Tinder. Black, Indian, Filipina, sure most of em won't be better than a 6 or a 7 but it's still something. I agree that if you're looking for dimes the Bay is not the place to be, but it is eminently possible to get laid out here with okay girls -- enough to satisfy you while you stack cash and enjoy the beautiful scenery around there.

SF is a complete shit hole though. I've lived in third world cities that looked and smelled better than the stretch between Caltrain and Union Square.

Quote: (03-06-2018 11:23 AM)corsega Wrote:  

Quote: (03-06-2018 07:15 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Quote: (03-05-2018 10:04 AM)corsega Wrote:  

No, I mean how do you *pull* if you don't live there. Their place? Your car?

You can get a weekend commuter pad pretty easy from Craig's list or AirBnb. I had one for $500/mo. I was doing the same in LA. Catch a cheap flight, rent a nice place in a good area and enjoy the ride.

That's insane, man. I admire the dedication. Love it.

What dedication? I was just trying to find a place I could live full time with cool people.

Quote: (03-06-2018 01:00 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-06-2018 07:51 AM)Bigmac4u Wrote:  

Blah, it's all just sales. Much of "game" is simply SALES. Nothing really complicated about that
http://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/everything-sales
Conversion game/sales is just pestering some girl over a long period of time. To understand how much "game" works just think of a used car salesman and your decision to buy a car on his lot.

I work in sales. I teach sales. It's much more complicated than you think!

Car salesmen are the lowest form of sales guys around. They sit on a lot and wait for customers to come to them... then they try to pressure close people they already know want to buy. You don't walk onto a Suburu lot unless you are interested in buying a Suburu. This is equivalent to guys sitting on Tinder.

The best kind of sales is where you find a way to get in front of a CEO and sell him or her on a multimillion dollar contract. You have a very small pool of targets to chase and even losing one of them could cost you dearly. This is what Black Caesar is talking about!

The fact that you think that you can pester your way into a girls pants... I don't even know what to say to that. I think Black Caesar is right, you need to get off the apps.

No, pestering/harassing women is what you do. But you think you're doing some "conversion game" from your lack education/training in social science. "I'm not really a garbage man, I'm master resource collector. You can only do what I do with 5 years of training." I mean seriously, this guy is going after married women on top of every chick around. Hopefully he doesn't end up on TV or in a jail cell. This reminds me of another reason the Bay Area sucks: If you have a girlfriend, even remotely cute, it’s a safe assumption that every guy is trying to "game" her. That's why most couples in the Bay Area have some weird codependency thing going on where they only hangout with each other.

Quote: (03-06-2018 03:36 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

My Game has nothing in common with used car sales, Subarus or Escalades.

The issue is that none of what you all are talking about is Game.

Guys here are going out one day a week for 30 minutes and declaring the night dead at 11. Then they walk home and swipe girls on Hinder and Dumble.

If you are a Shark then this is not how you operate.

If you have Game this is not what you do.

I have no need to sell girls.

I go out to fun spots with chill people. I see chicks that are fly and that I would want to spend some time getting to know in a deeper sense. I talk to them and if we are feeling each other then things go down from there.

Very little complicated about it.

If you are at a spot and can’t make things happen with a girl or two of YOUR CHOICE then you need to go back and work on your fundamentals.

Yeah, I don't really get the use of the word "game" here old timer. Game MEANS sales i.e. using your attributes, characteristics, and overall personality to win the affection of the woman you want. Is game suppose to be some suitcase word that means whatever you want it to mean? Sounds like this video I just watched for the Turbo Encabulator

Nah man that’s what you think Game means when you have none.

Nothing to do with winning or selling.

Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal for starters.