I was thinking that there is a pessimistic atmosphere in the forum lately, as most of the traditional destinations in Europe don't deliver anymore.
Poland and Ukraine are finished and Russia is a whole different story due to visa requirements.
What are your suggestions and predictions about the future?

Africa is a new land of opportunities. And as long as Poland is pretty much Westernized (at least the generation of <25 years old), Ukraine is far from belonging to the West imho - it just seems overrun, yet the country is so big, that anyone willing to put in time and effort will find their place.

Eastern Europe was never for easy lays - it was for the quality. Western is much more suited for easy lays and as far as Ukraine and other post-FSU countries go, the quality is still there.

Agreed, TB. I think in 10 years maximum, EE will have completely vanished and the women attitudes will be that shitty that we shall all head to Africa. Even now most guys travel to EE to bang a 7, because the maximum they can bang in the West is a 6. The majority of guys bang 4s and 5s even in EE. Let's be honest. This sound ridiculous, but is the naked truth.
Africa will stay a stable value for at least 30 more years.

Easy lays are in the Americas from North to South and also some parts of Asia. When it comes to Europe only Russia is really left for non westernized women(not easy lays).

Everytime I read one of these pessimistic EE threads I picture a neck beard who has never left his country and jerks off to much complaining about the lack of success or difficulty that other random people on the internet have. Why not bump and exisiting EE thread or better yet, go over there and see for yourself?

Westernization sucks, true fact. But people have been preaching Sodom and Gomorrah on the forum recently and I can absolutely not agree on this. If you don't bang in your home country you won't bang anywhere else. Just a fact.

And what does OP want? Easy girls? Or non-Westernized girls. Because you can't have both.

Things change, we adapt. In my opinion we should focus on how to overcome difficulties and change the game instead of declaring everything finished.And no offense, Latvia used to be "overrun" a couple of years ago, now everybody is saying it's a great place again. I think it's just personal experiences. Everybody has their own.

Quote: (02-20-2018 07:46 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Everytime I read one of these pessimistic EE threads I picture a neck beard who has never left his country and jerks off to much complaining about the lack of success or difficulty that other random people on the internet have. Why not bump and exisiting EE thread or better yet, go over there and see for yourself?

It is not about the lack of success, one may be successful there just like anywhere else. It depends on you, not the country. The issue is the lack of non westernized women, EE is getting to the point where hip hop is more popular than music.

Russia will fall soon. The last 2 Russian girls I dated abroad from Samara and Vladivostok were complaining about the absence of feminism in Russia. They thought it was too backward to get married very young and have children.

Have you been to Eastern Europe or Russia, if so, where are your travel reports and data sheets?

Hey Scotian, I'm Polish btw.

Quote: (02-20-2018 08:27 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Russia will fall soon. The last 2 Russian girls I dated abroad from Samara and Vladivostok were complaining about the absence of feminism in Russia. They thought it was too backward to get married very young and have children.

So Russia will fall soon because you have talked to 2 women that want feminism? ...

I have talked to more, pal. I'm 45 and I know Russian women pretty well. I speak Russian as well. Russian women are great manipulators and feminism is that last thing we should worry about. It's actually the lack of feminism that balances their arrogant and extremely selfish nature. I don't even want to imagine how Russia would be if feminism prevailed. I'm talking about the poor Russian guys obviously.

The name Aladdin fooled me, so Mr magic carpet, have you been to the Ukraine or Russia?

Quote: (02-20-2018 09:05 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

I have talked to more, pal. I'm 45 and I know Russian women pretty well. I speak Russian as well. Russian women are great manipulators and feminism is that last thing we should worry about. It's actually the lack of feminism that balances their arrogant and extremely selfish nature. I don't even want to imagine how Russia would be if feminism prevailed. I'm talking about the poor Russian guys obviously.

First you are complaining about Westernization and now you are telling us we need feminism?! I have a hard time understanding you.

Somebody is obviously frustrated. Women will be women. Whether they are effected by feminism, globalization, riding the cock carousel, indoctrination. It doesn't matter what factors are involved. Women will be women. The good old tricks will stay the same.

If you are enough of man, you can marry and maintain the marriage - or have some easy fun. Women are, men become.

No offense but I think you should start improving yourself and not put the blame on things if things aren't going too well.

Quote: (02-20-2018 09:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  

The name Aladdin fooled me, so Mr magic carpet, have you been to the Ukraine or Russia?

Lived for 5 years in Moscow and been to Kiev 4 times.

Acta I did not start this thread to talk about myself, but to help other members understand WHAT'S NEXT?

Poland, Ukraine and Russia to some degree are finished.

I would appreciate if you stay focused on that.

Quote: (02-20-2018 09:17 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Acta I did not start this thread to talk about myself, but to help other members understand WHAT'S NEXT?

Poland, Ukraine and Russia to some degree are finished.

I would appreciate if you stay focused on that.

Nothing is next. We'll just keep doing what we were doing. Because you say that to some degree things are finished doesn't mean it's actually so. You'll have to come with facts. Because you've been dating two women that want feminism doesn't mean a whole country is finished. Good luck.

Quote: (02-20-2018 09:17 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Poland, Ukraine and Russia to some degree are finished.

You have not seen.

GC, This is a personal attack and you should apologize. I know you have not been successful in Poland and you blame the girls for that. I think you need to read carefully AM's posts.

I won't reply to personal attacks that derail this thread. Some guys really need to rack their brain and tell us WHAT'S NEXT.

So where are your threads on the Ukraine and Russia, have you met any RVF members in person?

Quote: (02-19-2018 01:38 PM)teddy bear Wrote:  

Eastern Europe was never for easy lays - it was for the quality. Western is much more suited for easy lays and as far as Ukraine and other post-FSU countries go, the quality is still there.

Quote: (02-20-2018 11:38 AM)scotian Wrote:  

So where are your threads on the Ukraine and Russia, have you met any RVF members in person?

Scotian, I respect your reputation, but I don't get your point. Should I write a datasheet about Moscow's nightlife? Will that make any difference and people will start getting laid? I'm saying that EE don't deliver, let's find some alternative destinations? Many guys can't see beyond EE and that's really sad. There is pussy even after EE or not?

Sadly, I don't think there will be anything comparable after EE. Many Eastern European countries were part of once-great civilizations (such as the Holy Roman Empire), that produced great achievements and were instrumental in the development of modern civilization. Due to a small quirk in history after WW2, they were controlled by Russia, and thus failed to improve economically. So even though the outer surface was stagnating (GDP growth, quality of life), the inner makeup of the people built up over hundreds of years (genetics, culture, education, IQ) was solid. This produced a special period of time (1990-2015?) where outsiders (RVF travelers from the west) could take advantage of their wealth and status, to pickup women that while poor, still retained good "internal characteristics" that would make for excellent wives/gfs.

If you look at future travel destinations, you will see countries that have NEVER been successful, populated by uneducated people with low IQs. Places in Latin America like Colombia, as well as all of Southeast Asia, not to mention Africa. The Caucasus countries and central Asia are rife with corruption and hardly a better bet. These countries are poor/backwards for a good reason..their people. If all you care about is racking up notches, that's fine, but finding a quality
wife/gf is a different story.

We still have a few more years before EE becomes no different than the West. I'd say to enjoy it while you can, because nothing comes after.

Ya come bang some low IQ retards in Colombia with me, gotta pay taxi fare though.

Quote: (02-20-2018 08:01 AM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

If you don't bang in your home country you won't bang anywhere else. Just a fact.

Dude, no. This is not accurate. This is just a shaming tactic westerners use to make us feel guilty about banging out abroad. The more accurate term is you can't go more than a point or two higher in quality than you get at home. I can confirm this with my own sexual history. I think maybe 15% of my lifetime bangs were in my home country and I have only been abroad for maybe 6 total months of my life (2 of them I didn't get laid at all).

The truth is, I work harder for my poon when I'm abroad and have a much more positive and confident attitude because the girls I'm after I actually desire, genuinely like, and know they're more comfortable with me. The same thing seems to apply with guys that go after EE girls. I've never been on the ground in Europe but the drive seems to be quality.

I wouldn't write off the whole part of the world though. Ukraine from reports just seems like guys are getting tired of what it always was or realized how hard it was to crack it. Poland may be westernized but there's still plenty of countries that rarely get talked about. People will find them. We have Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Estonia, Romania, Croatia, Serbia, etc. The list goes on, we just need to adapt. Hell people in SEA have had to do the same thing because rep has it Thailand has been played out when it was once the top paradise. So now we have adapted and explored nearby countries.