[Skank_Hunt]

(02-23-2018 04:10 PM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

Instead of going to Africa I suggest everyone who feels like everything has fallen and been overrun to go fully MGTOW!

Yeah I find the complete 100% absolutist statements to be demotivating. Though as Akwesi put it quite well, even if the ease of getting laid stayed the same, through the smartphone and all that comes with it, it's the personalities of the EE women that have been fucked up. Of course we're attracted to hot girls, but the other (perhaps even bigger) draw of EE was the sweet, kind and humble nature of EE women compared to those in the West. Even though it's ridiculous to say that Russia is anywhere near gone, it is fair to say that smartphones and other forms of more subtle (i.e. non-military) westernization have had a significant negative impact on the country's women.

At the same time I ultimately will go to the places in EE I want and see everything for myself. While I do think Poland is fucked for western tourists looking for easy lays, and that EE as a whole is more for men who are looking for quality rather than quantity, and/or cannot accept anything except white girls, and/or more specifically slavic girls, there are plenty of other destinations to explore before declaring the entire FSU over and done with.

I wish I had a black girl fetish, then I would look into Africa as well. But I don't.

Options:

1. Try best in EE despite the constant decline.
2. Try other destinations despite decline there also, maybe so poor smartphone penetration is not as high as in EE e.g. Africa.
3. MGTOW: If you genuinely can live without women, you can live a comfortable life in the West, you don't have to put up with women's shit, and you can do whatever the hell you want every day. If you somehow keep your mental health without having sex, then it could be decent if you have hobbies or projects you genuinely enjoy. I personally couldn't do it. I would probably say to MGTOWs occasionally get some whores for basic male/female human contact to maintain some semblance of mental health. It's nowhere near a perfect substitute for "real" sex and "real" affection from a woman, but might just keep the guy out of the psych ward. In a few years time maybe robots + VR will be able to do a better job than a lot of real western women, so there's that too.
4. Mars. SpaceX will be able to do it soon and you will be hailed a hero. There are 0 women on Mars so even if you wanted to change your decision you couldn't, thus leading to ultimate acceptance.
5. Suicide. Not advocating this option of course but unfortunately a lot of men take it at a ~4:1 ratio. A significant number of these men would probably not do it if they had a nice, sweet, traditional Russian wife and children. A lot of these Russian women are now instagram whores being crapped on in Dubai. Not saying that justifies suicide but it can be a factor.

When you get polish guys on PUA forums, and polish guys leaving their home country for their own "euro jaunts", you know something's not right. I think Aladdin is venting a lot of that frustration on here. I get it, I've done plenty of it too, Poland for cold approach has declined remarkably quickly. Night game? I went to clubs with near 10:1 M:F ratio. Day game? Lots of pretty girls walking about, but banging them is very difficult even compared to my shitty hometown in the US. So your solution Aladdin is obviously do what you can to GTFO. That's what I did. I don't even have to get laid in the US to feel happier here than in Poland. If I were still there I would be extremely sad like you as well.

[Dragan]

(02-23-2018 10:35 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Great contributions and to the point, guys. Well, things have dramatically changed in EE. No doubt about it. EE looks like a value for money place, but is it really?
I don't think so. It makes you feel that it is, but at the end of the day, every westerner on his way to the airport doesn't feel satisfied. It's sad to see all these hot girls around and not have access.
Unfortunately, we have reached a point where even experienced players being taken for a ride by 4s and 5s. We definitely need to head somewhere else cos EE is completely played out.

I think it's worth it man, and I'm not coming from the standpoint of a so-called "player". In Serbia where I was living, I was living like a king for 1100USD per month, and I was struggling to spend as much as possible. As for girls in EE, hell yes, they are being westernized, but you will retain the white god factor even as the westernization progresses.... Keep in mind, man, that they are watching netflix every day, american tv shows..... You do have some value to them.

[Rocha]

@Skank_Hunt

Nobody in Europe likes Polish people.

They are a very strange bunch.

[Putin Closes]

(02-23-2018 11:51 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:35 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Great contributions and to the point, guys. Well, things have dramatically changed in EE. No doubt about it. EE looks like a value for money place, but is it really?
I don't think so. It makes you feel that it is, but at the end of the day, every westerner on his way to the airport doesn't feel satisfied. It's sad to see all these hot girls around and not have access.
Unfortunately, we have reached a point where even experienced players being taken for a ride by 4s and 5s. We definitely need to head somewhere else cos EE is completely played out.

I think it's worth it man, and I'm not coming from the standpoint of a so-called "player". In Serbia where I was living, I was living like a king for 1100USD per month, and I was struggling to spend as much as possible. As for girls in EE, hell yes, they are being westernized, but you will retain the white god factor even as the westernization progresses.... Keep in mind, man, that they are watching netflix every day, american tv shows..... You do have some value to them.

Goes to Serbia, where 90%+ of the population is Slavic. Might need to come up with a new term.

[Rocha]

(02-24-2018 01:12 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 11:51 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:35 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Great contributions and to the point, guys. Well, things have dramatically changed in EE. No doubt about it. EE looks like a value for money place, but is it really?
I don't think so. It makes you feel that it is, but at the end of the day, every westerner on his way to the airport doesn't feel satisfied. It's sad to see all these hot girls around and not have access.
Unfortunately, we have reached a point where even experienced players being taken for a ride by 4s and 5s. We definitely need to head somewhere else cos EE is completely played out.

I think it's worth it man, and I'm not coming from the standpoint of a so-called "player". In Serbia where I was living, I was living like a king for 1100USD per month, and I was struggling to spend as much as possible. As for girls in EE, hell yes, they are being westernized, but you will retain the white god factor even as the westernization progresses.... Keep in mind, man, that they are watching netflix every day, american tv shows..... You do have some value to them.

Goes to Serbia, where 90%+ of the population is Slavic. Might need to come up with a new term.

Cortès and Pizarro disagree with Putin.

[MDR2017]

Go to any country in South America and Heaven prevails. There is a reason I have been 12 times!

[Merengues]

(02-24-2018 01:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

@Skank_Hunt

Nobody in Europe likes Polish people.

They are a very strange bunch.

Can you substantiate your argument?

[Aladdin]

I think Rocha was not very successful in Poland, thus his racist comments about Polish people. He also posted another racist picture about Russia invading Poland.

[icrus]

People constantly yapping about Westernization.

I do not even give one fuck about that shit.

I make my own "Westernization".

With models westwards from Russia, from Serbia, Czech Republic and Romania.

The original "Westernization".





Nuff said.

[Bikal]

(02-24-2018 01:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Nobody in Europe likes Polish people.

They are a very strange bunch.

I'd rather hire a Polish person than a British person to do most jobs we've got going, unfortunately there aren't enough Polish people since Brexit. I also find their humour, life experiences and way of doing things to be completely refreshing compared to the drab British way and I'm not the only person with this opinion.

I wouldn't say they're strange but different and not what your used to, while the Polish game scene is pretty much over, Polish people are still awesome and don't get me started on the gorgeous food

I presume you hold the opinion you do as you didn't do well in Poland?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-20-2018 09:17 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Acta I did not start this thread to talk about myself, but to help other members understand WHAT'S NEXT?

Poland, Ukraine and Russia to some degree are finished.

I would appreciate if you stay focused on that.

I doubt that you are Polish.

Are you this guy? Turkish bloke who accuses the Polish of racism because they demonstrate against accepting millions of Muslims into the country.

If EE is finished, then the West has been finished for a decade or longer.

The SJW-marxist bullshit can pass away quickly, but won't pass away is when the previously dominant people are swarmed by plenty of Aladdins:



Then EE and FSU is truly lost, but not because of feminism which is a concept supported by the globalists. It would be gone with the stroke of a pen being banned like the communists did in their homecountries. Communist agents pushed feminism in the West knowing that it was a destructive ideology, but they banned it at home. We just need to do this again here. But when you have 100 mio Aladdins living in the West, then you can ban feminism all you want - you won't get that genie out of the battle.

[icrus]

People constantly yapping about the "refugee influx".

I do not give even one fuck about that shit.

I make my own "refugee influx".

With models from the Middle East, the USA and Western Europe fleeing from weesh dudes.

That I throw my rocks glass at.

The original "refugee influx".



I like this. Very easy and so true.

[Nowak]

(02-23-2018 11:51 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:35 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Great contributions and to the point, guys. Well, things have dramatically changed in EE. No doubt about it. EE looks like a value for money place, but is it really?
I don't think so. It makes you feel that it is, but at the end of the day, every westerner on his way to the airport doesn't feel satisfied. It's sad to see all these hot girls around and not have access.
Unfortunately, we have reached a point where even experienced players being taken for a ride by 4s and 5s. We definitely need to head somewhere else cos EE is completely played out.

I think it's worth it man, and I'm not coming from the standpoint of a so-called "player". In Serbia where I was living, I was living like a king for 1100USD per month, and I was struggling to spend as much as possible. As for girls in EE, hell yes, they are being westernized, but you will retain the white god factor even as the westernization progresses.... Keep in mind, man, that they are watching netflix every day, american tv shows..... You do have some value to them.

I disagree, lack of healthy food options ,the elements , pollution, the mini istanbul effect. You can sleep around in Serbia/Belgrade and find a nice sweet cute girl, but you need to settle as its possible to burn the city down quite fast.


Give me Kiev any day of the week.

[Nowak]

(02-23-2018 10:16 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:10 PM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

Instead of going to Africa I suggest everyone who feels like everything has fallen and been overrun to go fully MGTOW!

Yeah I find the complete 100% absolutist statements to be demotivating. Though as Akwesi put it quite well, even if the ease of getting laid stayed the same, through the smartphone and all that comes with it, it's the personalities of the EE women that have been fucked up. Of course we're attracted to hot girls, but the other (perhaps even bigger) draw of EE was the sweet, kind and humble nature of EE women compared to those in the West. Even though it's ridiculous to say that Russia is anywhere near gone, it is fair to say that smartphones and other forms of more subtle (i.e. non-military) westernization have had a significant negative impact on the country's women.

At the same time I ultimately will go to the places in EE I want and see everything for myself. While I do think Poland is fucked for western tourists looking for easy lays, and that EE as a whole is more for men who are looking for quality rather than quantity, and/or cannot accept anything except white girls, and/or more specifically slavic girls, there are plenty of other destinations to explore before declaring the entire FSU over and done with.

I wish I had a black girl fetish, then I would look into Africa as well. But I don't.

Options:

1. Try best in EE despite the constant decline.
2. Try other destinations despite decline there also, maybe so poor smartphone penetration is not as high as in EE e.g. Africa.
3. MGTOW: If you genuinely can live without women, you can live a comfortable life in the West, you don't have to put up with women's shit, and you can do whatever the hell you want every day. If you somehow keep your mental health without having sex, then it could be decent if you have hobbies or projects you genuinely enjoy. I personally couldn't do it. I would probably say to MGTOWs occasionally get some whores for basic male/female human contact to maintain some semblance of mental health. It's nowhere near a perfect substitute for "real" sex and "real" affection from a woman, but might just keep the guy out of the psych ward. In a few years time maybe robots + VR will be able to do a better job than a lot of real western women, so there's that too.
4. Mars. SpaceX will be able to do it soon and you will be hailed a hero. There are 0 women on Mars so even if you wanted to change your decision you couldn't, thus leading to ultimate acceptance.
5. Suicide. Not advocating this option of course but unfortunately a lot of men take it at a ~4:1 ratio. A significant number of these men would probably not do it if they had a nice, sweet, traditional Russian wife and children. A lot of these Russian women are now instagram whores being crapped on in Dubai. Not saying that justifies suicide but it can be a factor.

When you get polish guys on PUA forums, and polish guys leaving their home country for their own "euro jaunts", you know something's not right. I think Aladdin is venting a lot of that frustration on here. I get it, I've done plenty of it too, Poland for cold approach has declined remarkably quickly. Night game? I went to clubs with near 10:1 M:F ratio. Day game? Lots of pretty girls walking about, but banging them is very difficult even compared to my shitty hometown in the US. So your solution Aladdin is obviously do what you can to GTFO. That's what I did. I don't even have to get laid in the US to feel happier here than in Poland. If I were still there I would be extremely sad like you as well.

All the negativity doesn't help but neither does the paper alphaness. It's easier to claim one is killing it while punching at his level or below than to say things suck the world is ending ect ect. This is confusing and disorienting for many , people need boots in the ground and find out the truth themselves.

People ganging up on Aladdin should realize the issue of the later problem , too much positivity.



As for EE becoming harder, lets offer some solutions

1 radically differentiate yourself from other foreigners

2 learn Russian/ insert other local language

3 go to the gym, be social, have a life aside from just game , try to understand the local mentality.

[asdfk]

All these threads about disliking a certain continent or country... it is easy. You can blame politics, feminism, race, the climate, etc. But broad societal changes should not be blamed for your lack of short term (2-5 years) success.

And there are always members (or lurkers) who go to EE or SA or anywhere else, find a girlfriend and never login to this forum again. They don't post their success stories because that is not the topic of this forum... but there are many.

I see little reason for bitterness. There is so much opportunity out there.

[Nowak]

(02-21-2018 04:19 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Scotian and Beyond Borders. I don't understand why you make it personal. I work in the oil industry and have traveled extensively in the EE over the last 15 years. I have noticed the changes better than most of the guys on here, since I'm an Eastern European that speaks Russian and Polish. I'm talking based on my 15 year experience of dating EE girls and based on my observations. Well, I used to see foreigners with 7s and 8s, but not anymore. I now see foreigners with 4s and 5s and they seem to have the time of their life. Does it look good or mark the end of an era?

Aladdin ,I met many guys from the forum in EE, with a rare few who got maybe one or two 8s (even then non consistent) most get 7s or 6/ 5s. Older uglier dudes 3s 4s and 5s. As for the lay foreigner, how many actually live in EE over an extended period of time, this is a very small amount .

[JohnQPublic]

@asdfk: Yeah that's why I wrote that post about language skills. It's not as easy anymore, but the same changes that are happening everywhere else are also happening in the EE countries. They're not behind the Iron curtain anymore.

So if in your home country, SNL is more difficult due to Tinder, it's probably having an effect in Poland or Ukraine too. But most guys I know that were in the ex-Soviet countries in the pre-EU times said that joining the EU is when the big change happened. Because at that point, girls who wanted to meet foreigners could easily go to another country. So they went to be au pairs or work in a shop or whatever. Plus local guys could make more money by working for western countries, so the value-gap got smaller.

I can speak enough Czech to meet a girl, so I went on a local language dating site to pipeline for a month before my last trip. I had such a big list of girls who wanted to meet I had to figure out how to prioritize.

I've haven't visited this forum for a few years and the attitude has really changed. In 2013 everybody was raving about Poland and slubu and Courage Reborn wrote about epic trips, going places nobody has written about. Now nobody is trying anything new and people are just complaining that the city where 20 Roosh Forum members have been living full time for the last 5 years doesn't work anymore.

@Nowak: What i see is that most of the Tier I girls who want to meet a foreigner go to visit London, New York, Dubai, wherever and they get treated so well that if they are open to leaving home then they do. Many never come back home. And it's not just the beautiful girls. When Brexit was happening, I looked at the numbers and it seemed like 2-3% of the population of Poland was living in the UK (approx. 1 million). Most of those are probably in the 20-30 age group. So you can imagine what kind of toll that takes on the open-minded girls who are available to meet.

The Tier I girls who stay at home have so many local guys who are trying to scoop them up that they are not easy to find. What I saw Czech guys doing was trying to spend lots of money to impress the girl, then once she moved in, she got basically nothing. I have that info from multiple sources. Of course there are local guys who are genuinely successful in their careers and have a lot to offer and they do the best with the Tier I girls. But there is a significant push from the local guys to keep those girls out of circulation in the case of the guys who are stretching it financially. Once they get a catch they try to keep her from meeting other successful guys.

If you know where to go, I think it's much easier to meet a Tier I Polish/Czech girl in a Western city than in their own country. In London, New York, Milan, Paris, they feel like they have lower social value and if you can show DHV in that Western country, you have a good chance. That was true in 2004 and it's more true now.

Nowadays, at least in the EE cities where I've been, the really hot girls who make themselves available get hit on so much by foreigners they take steps to avoid being in those places where they might meet them. They have met some foreign guys, done the pump and dump, and now need some assurance that they are get something more out of it, or at least something different. When I moved to a Western European capital city, after being in Prague for some years, a few girls whom I had dated and I was still in contact with immediately began texting me saying they wanted to visit. I met three of them in all, none of whom I had closed before I left (not for lack of trying) and all of whom closed immediately and the whole time they were there. These are all very good looking girls. The first one only waited one month after I left, bought her own ticket, got a hotel and said I'm here for a week. Then just sat in the hotel and waited for me to meet her. Another came one week and then when she got home said she wanted to come the next week too.

The other thing is people have different definitions of success. Some guys go live in a country to be an English teacher, make enough to live comfortably, get a nice girl who cooks, cleans and takes care of him in every way. They're both happy. Other guys who did quite OK at home go EE to get large quantities of hot women and are disappointed because it takes as much or more work than at home.

[Nowak]

(02-24-2018 11:09 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

@asdfk: Yeah that's why I wrote that post about language skills. It's not as easy anymore, but the same changes that are happening everywhere else are also happening in the EE countries. They're not behind the Iron curtain anymore.

So if in your home country, SNL is more difficult due to Tinder, it's probably having an effect in Poland or Ukraine too. But most guys I know that were in the ex-Soviet countries in the pre-EU times said that joining the EU is when the big change happened. Because at that point, girls who wanted to meet foreigners could easily go to another country. So they went to be au pairs or work in a shop or whatever. Plus local guys could make more money by working for western countries, so the value-gap got smaller.

I can speak enough Czech to meet a girl, so I went on a local language dating site to pipeline for a month before my last trip. I had such a big list of girls who wanted to meet I had to figure out how to prioritize.

I've haven't visited this forum for a few years and the attitude has really changed. In 2013 everybody was raving about Poland and slubu and Courage Reborn wrote about epic trips, going places nobody has written about. Now nobody is trying anything new and people are just complaining that the city where 20 Roosh Forum members have been living full time for the last 5 years doesn't work anymore.

@Nowak: What i see is that most of the Tier I girls who want to meet a foreigner go to visit London, New York, Dubai, wherever and they get treated so well that if they are open to leaving home then they do. Many never come back home. And it's not just the beautiful girls. When Brexit was happening, I looked at the numbers and it seemed like 2-3% of the population of Poland was living in the UK (approx. 1 million). Most of those are probably in the 20-30 age group. So you can imagine what kind of toll that takes on the open-minded girls who are available to meet.

The Tier I girls who stay at home have so many local guys who are trying to scoop them up that they are not easy to find. What I saw Czech guys doing was trying to spend lots of money to impress the girl, then once she moved in, she got basically nothing. I have that info from multiple sources. Of course there are local guys who are genuinely successful in their careers and have a lot to offer and they do the best with the Tier I girls. But there is a significant push from the local guys to keep those girls out of circulation in the case of the guys who are stretching it financially. Once they get a catch they try to keep her from meeting other successful guys.

If you know where to go, I think it's much easier to meet a Tier I Polish/Czech girl in a Western city than in their own country. In London, New York, Milan, Paris, they feel like they have lower social value and if you can show DHV in that Western country, you have a good chance. That was true in 2004 and it's more true now.

Nowadays, at least in the EE cities where I've been, the really hot girls who make themselves available get hit on so much by foreigners they take steps to avoid being in those places where they might meet them. They have met some foreign guys, done the pump and dump, and now need some assurance that they are get something more out of it, or at least something different. When I moved to a Western European capital city, after being in Prague for some years, a few girls whom I had dated and I was still in contact with immediately began texting me saying they wanted to visit. I met three of them in all, none of whom I had closed before I left (not for lack of trying) and all of whom closed immediately and the whole time they were there. These are all very good looking girls. The first one only waited one month after I left, bought her own ticket, got a hotel and said I'm here for a week. Then just sat in the hotel and waited for me to meet her. Another came one week and then when she got home said she wanted to come the next week too.

The other thing is people have different definitions of success. Some guys go live in a country to be an English teacher, make enough to live comfortably, get a nice girl who cooks, cleans and takes care of him in every way. They're both happy. Other guys who did quite OK at home go EE to get large quantities of hot women and are disappointed because it takes as much or more work than at home.

I was referring specifically to the FSU for hotties, outside in rest of EE would be for nice sweet girls but usually below an 8. Then you run into the problem of livability (Balkans being grimy, Baltics being too small boring and depressing) or less "good" girls , CZ/PL/HU.

I knew a guy from Norway who was with multiple girls from EE ,he then had a gf from rural Austria for 2 plus years.

Personally most of the girls I've met here, I've met better in the west of Europe in terms of ltr capabilities. Italian and Spanish girls I can see being better wives than many EE girls, but if you're more meloncholic it can be harder also in some ways.

[JohnQPublic]

(02-24-2018 12:05 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

I was referring specifically to the FSU for hotties, outside in rest of EE would be for nice sweet girls but usually below an 8.

There are enough 9s/10s in Czech Republic/Slovakia/Poland/Hungary to keep anybody happy, if they have the game for it. But as I wrote above, the job is finding them. I think guys who can get 9s/10s can do it anywhere, and for others, just changing the country isn't going to give them enough of a magic boost without something extra going on. Maybe the magic boost is still big enough in FSU for some guys to make it more worthwhile.

[Nowak]

(02-24-2018 12:55 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 12:05 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

I was referring specifically to the FSU for hotties, outside in rest of EE would be for nice sweet girls but usually below an 8.

There are enough 9s/10s in Czech Republic/Slovakia/Poland/Hungary to keep anybody happy, if they have the game for it. But as I wrote above, the job is finding them. I think guys who can get 9s/10s can do it anywhere, and for others, just changing the country isn't going to give them enough of a magic boost without something extra going on. Maybe the magic boost is still big enough in FSU for some guys to make it more worthwhile.

10s don't exist, I think you might be overrating girls.

You must have a different scale than I do.

Here you can see 8s or 9s (yet its hard alone w/o a bf or speaking decent English) every day every 3 or 4 hours. In Central Europe its maybe every 3 days or so. In the Balkans and Baltics maybe every 5 or 6 hours but the small population sizes are a gamble. Its not about a magic boost, its about language and proximity. Even then, unless your'e a celebrity or politician, I don't see anyone even here getting 8s or 9s on a consistent basis.


Beauty of girls in central Europe is similar to Italy or Spain, maybe slightly better.

I haven't been in Poland since almost 4 years ago, but I remember the hottest girl I saw ,and she really was stunning ,was a half spanish/german chick I saw with a good looking Polish dude.

[JohnQPublic]

Just trying to answer to your statements saying some EE countries are worse than others or the girls there are bad compared to wherever you are. If you are Polish you may be more impressed by a Mediterranean style girl than some guy from Spain. As you pointed out, standards and cultural values still greatly vary between EE countries and Western ones. like this comment "unless your'e a celebrity or politician, I don't see anyone even here getting 8s or 9s on a consistent basis".

My scale is probably quite a bit different from yours. Since guys may have different tastes, for me a bonafide 10 is a Playboy Playmate of the Year. A Miss Poland, or a girl who's been on the cover of an international fashion magazine. 10 just means top of the scale. If your top of the scale is 9, then it's the same thing. You can take a look at some photos I posted in previous posts on Prague or Las Vegas and judge for yourself.

You keep talking about "here" but don't say where you are.

[Skank_Hunt]

@Nowak - "paper alphaness" is a very good way to put it. It is natural on the internet for guys to type words that don't fully reflect the actual events that took place, or the actual mindset that the poster has in reality, when he is out there on the streets, not in the comfort of his apartment on his laptop. So I am definitely in agreement that there is often too much "positivity" due to the "paper alphaness" of some posts. But I'm not known for particularly positive posts, in fact, most of the time the opposite, so I was just trying to be a bit more positive and at least state that there are options. If you find these very much overhyped and played out EE destinations to be too difficult now, then the world has not ended. We would all like to bang Russian models every single day but is that realistic for 99% of us? No. Does that mean we should declare all lost? Not at all. Women are not everything in life and even if they are for you, you can still go to other places and make a good living for your dick.

As far as "Tier 1" girls go, I prefer a sweet, "good girl", vs a stunning 25 year old experienced manipulator who travels to Dubai to get crapped on or to London to meet rich bankers etc. I can also understand that getting a polish girl might be easier in the West, because she has less of a social circle and usually the girls open to foreigners travel and live abroad. At the same time, polish people are fiercely proud of their nation and a lot of them opt for free university education and staying in Poland, at least during their prime e.g. 18-21. So you get numbers of pretty girls that are 20x that of the UK for example. There are hot girls in the UK, but not in the volumes Poland still has. So it's not like all the hot girls in Poland just vanished. To me it was like an 18 year old girl in Poland is by default attractive (WB), in the UK an average 18 year old girl is unattractive i.e. girls being hot in the UK is the exception not the rule.

[Nowak]

(02-24-2018 06:34 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

@Nowak - "paper alphaness" is a very good way to put it. It is natural on the internet for guys to type words that don't fully reflect the actual events that took place, or the actual mindset that the poster has in reality, when he is out there on the streets, not in the comfort of his apartment on his laptop. So I am definitely in agreement that there is often too much "positivity" due to the "paper alphaness" of some posts. But I'm not known for particularly positive posts, in fact, most of the time the opposite, so I was just trying to be a bit more positive and at least state that there are options. If you find these very much overhyped and played out EE destinations to be too difficult now, then the world has not ended. We would all like to bang Russian models every single day but is that realistic for 99% of us? No. Does that mean we should declare all lost? Not at all. Women are not everything in life and even if they are for you, you can still go to other places and make a good living for your dick.

As far as "Tier 1" girls go, I prefer a sweet, "good girl", vs a stunning 25 year old experienced manipulator who travels to Dubai to get crapped on or to London to meet rich bankers etc. I can also understand that getting a polish girl might be easier in the West, because she has less of a social circle and usually the girls open to foreigners travel and live abroad. At the same time, polish people are fiercely proud of their nation and a lot of them opt for free university education and staying in Poland, at least during their prime e.g. 18-21. So you get numbers of pretty girls that are 20x that of the UK for example. There are hot girls in the UK, but not in the volumes Poland still has. So it's not like all the hot girls in Poland just vanished. To me it was like an 18 year old girl in Poland is by default attractive (WB), in the UK an average 18 year old girl is unattractive i.e. girls being hot in the UK is the exception not the rule.

I saw more hot girls in London than Poland , I'd imagine getting an 8 or a 9 is easier there ,despite it not being EE. For me "tier 1" is under 25 an an 8 or a 9, the issue here being most are either swooped up already or don't speak English. I'm still waiting though, opportunities do arise ,just gotta take action. Girls do fucked up things for money, but this is a minority of a minority of a minority. Most Ukrainian girls who go through a slut phase do so when they're under 18 actually , and this is just dating lots of boys in rapid succession.


Overall the "sluttiness" is less than in the west. Ukrainian girls aren't perfect angles, but the sex issue aren't their main faults. Humans are not meant to be 100% monogamous, Ukraine maybe is a bit worse than the ideal but they aren't far behind. (Personally I feel marrying a virgin is somewhat problematic potentially) The issues of language/looks believing EUSSR propaganda and overall difficulty to read them are issues. Overall, the situation in Ukraine is more or less the same when Roosh wrote bang Ukraine, girls here have never been perfect. So the decline isn't as bad as Poland I'd imagine. I was last in Poland in 2014 , it seems to be a total sea change since then. Bang Ukraine was written in 2012 , seems similar overall his descriptions.

The biggest negative is the flood of attention these girls are getting, daygame is a problem but the bigger culprits of online dating, thirst from old creepy dudes ,turks and students (many turks and africans) are a bigger problem overall. Many girls are adjusting their attitudes accordingly and either give harsher rejections than I imagine try to cash out on their elevated value. I'll give a perfect example, two days ago I sarged a daygame session, first approached was an extremely westernized girl, so much so I actually thought she was American, second who was a solid lead was a nice 7, we texted but I just wasn't feeling it, my value and her reactions weren't worth my time. I think the biggest way daygamers would be making things worse is the fact that many girls, maybe even most are in pairs. I remember 2 months a go a really hot girl , I'd say an 8.5 , literally right up my street gave me a solid ioi, before I could even get a word in her friend said NOOOO, Roosh mentions the logistical issues of daygame where he was (Kharkiv) and they are similar here in Kiev, not enough solo girls or hotties without BFS.

[Nowak]

The turkish/arab sex tourism thing ,as well as some westerners from south Europe or whereever is really obnoxious, not only because it brings in a disgusting vibe ,but also because its not economic. Ukrainian buddy of mine told me the prices of the whores and I couldn't believe it but they were at par or higher than the west. People pay 300$ for hot but very average quality here. I have a good buddy whos turkish who I asked this about, he's done these things in the west not the east and he told me something that was a AHA moment, guys who do this do it to protect their egos and tell everyone how they fucked models ,it essentially becomes a situation where everyone knows they are bullshitting but lets give them a break.


for the previous post
Also another hot girl I approached ,her friend jumped in and said salam malechem,


I'm thinking to start a local PEGIDA group here, ughhh

[Rocha]

^^ I start to wonder if you have a mirror at home.