Thank you. All these praises about moguls we know nothing about. It's like watching a movie unfold. It may look real, but it's all the work of a camera. I know none of these celebrity entrepreneurs in real life, and likely does anyone here. If you have to get on TV and become incredibly well-known, I don't want to hear about it.

Tell me about the guy next door who drives mediocre cars but has a 7-8 figure bankroll. Someone I can meet, shake hands with, and tell he is the real deal holyfield.

Sacrifice is important, guys. The hardest thing in life is balance. Between personal and business. It's not circumstantial to have both whilst coming up. At least, that's not the route I took. It was fun going in airplane mode and re-visiting. If you lose your friends due to your vested interest in self-improvement, those were not even friends to begin with.

Easiest way to make a friend is to open someone who appears friendly or down to talk. This is happened to me often at Hookah lounges. Next thing you know we're trading #s and meeting up etc. Sometimes the universe is responsible for bringing people together. Maybe you're not meant to have a friend or friends until a certain point in your life. Perhaps they would steer you in an undesirable path? Who knows.

I am a believe that everything happens for a reason, though. Prayer helps too. It is not silly to ask for things you wish to obtain, friendships, relationships.

Quote: (01-13-2018 02:18 PM)Teep Wrote:  

Quote: (01-13-2018 01:22 PM)3extra Wrote:  

Gary Vaynerchuk produces videos called "A Day in the Life of Gary Vaynerchuk" and uploads them onto the internet.

Christ. It really must be lonely "at the top".

(((Gary Vee))) likes to meme a lot about hard work. The fact is he inherited a very successful wine business from his family. His accomplishments are suspect imo.

Quote: (01-13-2018 10:43 AM)zatara Wrote:  

This is MGTOW trash used to justify giving up on life. Its completely possible to be wildly professionally successful and to still have girlfriends and male friends. The vast majority of successful men have good social skills, which requires having an active social life.

Yeah, they have "active social life" of networking with other business people and entrepreneurs. They don't sit around and drink their beer after 9-5. There is A HUGE difference in that. You can have a gf and your wife.
The point is, you would be spending an hour with them or less on daily basis and you will have to work 100 hour a week, brother.
Just like that video that I linked, so I am right. Lol

Quote: (01-13-2018 10:43 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Elon Musk has five sons and has had two wives. He got married at age 29, so was clearly in relationships in his 20s. He spends 6 hours a day on "personal time" by his own admittance. Yet hes still one of the most successful men on the planet.

Yes, I heard that too, but he still works 100 hour a week?
The point is not to argue small nuances, but to realize how much WORK YOU have to actually put in. If you want to bang a new girl every month, that's cool and you can go out, maybe you need that to take some time off.

Quote: (01-13-2018 10:43 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Bill Gates has gone on record saying maintaining friendships is crucial to your life. To quote him directly: ""Some friends do bring out the best in you," the Microsoft co-founder says, "and so it's good to invest in those friendships." And on having a relationship: " It’s really through Melinda and seeing other people I realized, okay, it’s really worth the investment to have those people, as you’re always there to help them and vice versa."

There is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. I have also went on couple networking events where some of the people are pulling quarter mil to couple mils a year. That's totally fine.

Quote: (01-13-2018 10:43 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Warren Buffet got married at age 22. He had 3 kids within the next 5 years, before he turned 28. He was able to become one of the richest men on the planet while maintaining a successful marriage for 52 years, and raising 3 young children in his 20s.

Same as Gary V. Spend maybe one hour with children, back to work.
The point is, all these people work harder than you.
Don't make it an excuse not to take action.

Quote: (01-13-2018 01:29 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

Your social skills are your most important tool to understanding demand, market preferences and hidden opportunity. I think it was Bill Gates that was at a party and him and Steve Balmer came up with an idea on a cocktail napkin. They left the PARTY and worked on it at their office until sunrise.

Again, there is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. If you want to go to some hot networking event once awhile, that's great. If you want to meet shit-ton of people who you can gain shit-tone of networking in your industry, that's awesome.

That's what these business people do. Look at Gary V, he is constantly meeting people all day long. I never said QUIT all social interactions with humans. lol.

Quote: (01-13-2018 02:18 PM)Teep Wrote:  

The fact is he inherited a very successful wine business from his family. His accomplishments are suspect imo.

No, he did not.
That's a complete false information that people created in their head.
If you actually check out his content, he says that he didn't have equity in his dad's business and just worked at low wages.

Quote: (01-13-2018 07:03 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

Quote: (01-13-2018 02:18 PM)Teep Wrote:  

The fact is he inherited a very successful wine business from his family. His accomplishments are suspect imo.

No, he did not.
That's a complete false information that people created in their head.
If you actually check out his content, he says that he didn't have equity in his dad's business and just worked at low wages.

As far as I know, growing that family wine biz is his greatest business accomplishment to date. Apparently it was $4 million revenue before he started running the online marketing, and he then grew it substantially.

But still - starting with a businesses with 7-figure revenues, an established customer base, and significant ad budget just isn't nearly as impressive as starting something from scratch.

He used that "success" to start an advertising agency. Good for him. He's just NOT a rags to riches story by any means.

Edit: I'd actually say his greatest accomplishment is building a cult of personality to the point where his fanboys/girls recycle his memes over the entire web, and would literally walk on lava if he told them that's what a hustler needs to do.

^I agree with this. I just sat down with a bunch of my uncles and close family friends. We had a really interesting conversation about cloud technology, and I got some good tips on how to progress my sales career. One conversation like that is worth a million childish bull shit conversations with my friends.

The thing is that between age 13-19, I wanted more or less the same thing -- which was to dick around and have fun. My friendships were based on pleasure seeking behavior -- joking around, drinking, drugs, fucking girls, talking shit.

Now I care more about self improvement, learning new things, and being a solid person -- doing what I say, saying what lines up with my real beliefs/desires. I would rather learn about technology, write, exercise, or help out around my parents' house than smoke weed in a car and talk about nonsense.

I doubt that I'm going to cut off all my best friends forever, there are still three or four who I want to spend time with (though they live elsewhere), but I will definitely see them less and probably cut a couple of them out completely.

Beyond friends, I think people really just need activities that really occupy them and breed passion. Doing those will draw you to like-minded people who you will actually learn from and respect. There are some days when I don't really talk to anyone, but I put in a good day at work, did some good writing, and had some great rolls at my BJJ gym. At this point in my life, that means a lot more to me than seeing at least 50% of my friends.

Not sure if I should try to rescue these relationships. Some people end up going their own way and that's just how it is. I can't say that my life is that much worse off without them, I actually feel a lot better focusing on the things that are important to me. There are definitely times I feel lonely and disoriented that I've grown apart from my best buddies, but I quickly stop feeling that way once I go off and do something I actually care about.

This is a great thread and interesting topic, however. I think this situation is extremely common in your early 20's.

It is also important to understand why one feels the need to have friends and the type of company they really want to have fun with or share their time. A lot of times, the initial phase when people hangout together seems fun but more often than not, they realize that they don't really share the same principles in life. The priorities that people have in their life at that point in their lives has a huge impact on whether they will remain friends. But when those priorities change and are they not in sync with the others, that's when people drift apart because they just don't seem the same to their friends anymore or the experiences they have are no longer the same for them to have empathy about.
But I guess as you go towards your late 20s to the 30s and beyond, the need to have friends sometimes goes away a little due to family/relationshops or career advancement or just bad experiences and eventually when people reach 40, they have only a few friends who actually stick around if they are lucky.

Quote: (01-13-2018 06:24 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

Yeah, they have "active social life" of networking with other business people and entrepreneurs. They don't sit around and drink their beer after 9-5. There is A HUGE difference in that. You can have a gf and your wife.
The point is, you would be spending an hour with them or less on daily basis and you will have to work 100 hour a week, brother.
Just like that video that I linked, so I am right. Lol

Yes, I heard that too, but he still works 100 hour a week?
The point is not to argue small nuances, but to realize how much WORK YOU have to actually put in. If you want to bang a new girl every month, that's cool and you can go out, maybe you need that to take some time off.

There is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. I have also went on couple networking events where some of the people are pulling quarter mil to couple mils a year. That's totally fine.

Same as Gary V. Spend maybe one hour with children, back to work.
The point is, all these people work harder than you.
Don't make it an excuse not to take action.

Again, there is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. If you want to go to some hot networking event once awhile, that's great. If you want to meet shit-ton of people who you can gain shit-tone of networking in your industry, that's awesome.

That's what these business people do. Look at Gary V, he is constantly meeting people all day long. I never said QUIT all social interactions with humans. lol.

Your exact words were "What I am saying is that if you want true success and become extremely successful in 30s, 40s and 50s, you should give up on everything in 20s. No relationships, no friends. " Which is clearly just wrong - even the very highly successful men you yourself cherrypicked as examples say the exact opposite of that. Bill Gates in my verbatim quote was not defending "networking events", he was defending having close friends and a healthy relationship. And if you think Warren Buffet was spending "one hour a day" parenting three toddlers then you've clearly never raised children. His children all speak highly of the quality time he spent with them when they were young.

It sounds like you're very committed mentally to not having any friends being a life 'positive', which strikes me as a defense mechanism to justify not having any. You should really try living life with some close friends, and life without, to at least have a valid comparison. I've never known anyone whos experienced the joy of having trustworthy, reliable, fun male friends who would even consider living a life without them.

Go join a rugby team, or whatever contact sport is big in your country. Bleed with other men towards a common cause (and get fit in the process), and you'll develop a strong bond with them. Not all of them will be a social 'fit' for you intellectually, but odds are at least some will be. And within a year you'll have a good social circle.

bgbusiness,

It seems like no matter what anyone says, your mind is already set on living a life of solitude.

Maybe you have been burned in the past, or your priorities right now don't leave much time for socializing.

Eventually, though, I guarantee you, you will yearn for close and meaningful relationships.

You remind me of Christopher McCandless, the subject of the book/movie Into the Wild, who, after getting fed up with society and with people, just cut off contact with everyone and went totally off the grid.

After following his dreams and going on some of the most epic adventures across North America that you could ever imagine (the equivalent of you finding success as an entrepreneur), he died, all alone in the Alaskan wilderness, far, far away from anyone he knew or loved.

You know what was his final conclusion before his death, after all of those great adventures and experiences, after cutting off all the dead weight from his life and removing the BS of dealing with people?

This is what he wrote before he died:

"Happiness is only real when shared."

BG, Ok, you don't like going for happy hour beers and believe Gary V is the template of success. IMHO, you should replace Gary V with someone like Ray Dalio but thats just me.

Anyways, I'm curious what your own experience has taught you.

What are your N+1 lessons?

What are you working on now?

What's worked best for you?

Quote: (01-14-2018 08:59 AM)ProfessorCumbledore Wrote:  

"Happiness is only real when shared."

Yeah, I will share my happiness of success with my co-workers, business partners or co-founders. lol

I think it was a good argument and I will keep you and other people's perspective in my mind, thanks guys.

I never knew about Gary V before he was posted here, people can argue about whether he inherited a wine business or not, regardless it seems like he's done pretty well for himself, but I bet the bulk of his money has came from investments he has made (Facebook, crypto etc.)

His advice is nothing that ground breaking, basically he talks like work 15 hours a day building your brand from 20 years old to 30 years old. Even if you can be rich after that, who wants to do that? He does have a few good suggestions here and there about how to target people on social media but I bet the bulk of his videos aren't helpful.

It seems like he goes out of his way to say "fuck" or "fucking" just to try and sound edgy, which is annoying.

If this guy is happy with his lifestyle and his ugly wife then fine, good for him but I wouldn't want to be waking up at 6am and getting home late at night everyday, if that's what he does.

Quote: (01-14-2018 07:02 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Quote: (01-13-2018 06:24 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

Yeah, they have "active social life" of networking with other business people and entrepreneurs. They don't sit around and drink their beer after 9-5. There is A HUGE difference in that. You can have a gf and your wife.
The point is, you would be spending an hour with them or less on daily basis and you will have to work 100 hour a week, brother.
Just like that video that I linked, so I am right. Lol

Yes, I heard that too, but he still works 100 hour a week?
The point is not to argue small nuances, but to realize how much WORK YOU have to actually put in. If you want to bang a new girl every month, that's cool and you can go out, maybe you need that to take some time off.

There is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. I have also went on couple networking events where some of the people are pulling quarter mil to couple mils a year. That's totally fine.

Same as Gary V. Spend maybe one hour with children, back to work.
The point is, all these people work harder than you.
Don't make it an excuse not to take action.

Again, there is a difference between going out in a high status networking event and chilling with your friends drinking cheap beer talking shit that doesn't even matter in few days after. If you want to go to some hot networking event once awhile, that's great. If you want to meet shit-ton of people who you can gain shit-tone of networking in your industry, that's awesome.

That's what these business people do. Look at Gary V, he is constantly meeting people all day long. I never said QUIT all social interactions with humans. lol.

Your exact words were "What I am saying is that if you want true success and become extremely successful in 30s, 40s and 50s, you should give up on everything in 20s. No relationships, no friends. " Which is clearly just wrong - even the very highly successful men you yourself cherrypicked as examples say the exact opposite of that. Bill Gates in my verbatim quote was not defending "networking events", he was defending having close friends and a healthy relationship. And if you think Warren Buffet was spending "one hour a day" parenting three toddlers then you've clearly never raised children. His children all speak highly of the quality time he spent with them when they were young.

It sounds like you're very committed mentally to not having any friends being a life 'positive', which strikes me as a defense mechanism to justify not having any. You should really try living life with some close friends, and life without, to at least have a valid comparison. I've never known anyone whos experienced the joy of having trustworthy, reliable, fun male friends who would even consider living a life without them.

Go join a rugby team, or whatever contact sport is big in your country. Bleed with other men towards a common cause (and get fit in the process), and you'll develop a strong bond with them. Not all of them will be a social 'fit' for you intellectually, but odds are at least some will be. And within a year you'll have a good social circle.

Quote: (01-14-2018 08:59 AM)ProfessorCumbledore Wrote:  

bgbusiness,

It seems like no matter what anyone says, your mind is already set on living a life of solitude.

Maybe you have been burned in the past, or your priorities right now don't leave much time for socializing.

Eventually, though, I guarantee you, you will yearn for close and meaningful relationships.

You remind me of Christopher McCandless, the subject of the book/movie Into the Wild, who, after getting fed up with society and with people, just cut off contact with everyone and went totally off the grid.

After following his dreams and going on some of the most epic adventures across North America that you could ever imagine (the equivalent of you finding success as an entrepreneur), he died, all alone in the Alaskan wilderness, far, far away from anyone he knew or loved.

You know what was his final conclusion before his death, after all of those great adventures and experiences, after cutting off all the dead weight from his life and removing the BS of dealing with people?

This is what he wrote before he died:

"Happiness is only real when shared."

Good movie suggestion ProfCumble, its highly rated, will watch. Watching the trailer, the quote 'No man is an island' comes to mind.

To bgbusiness, we don't really know what stage of your life you are in. I have personally heard a number of people who have said similar things to you. At the time they had these hardline views, a number of them had family which allowed them not to feel the necessity of having friends, some others were really into their careers and nothing else mattered at that time. But almost all of them, years later in some form or another hinted at loneliness when they had to leave their families, they had some argument with them or they were burnt out from work/business or some business partner they considered a friend screwed them over.

Its easy to say things when something does not feel important to you at the moment because you are focused on something else but when what you feel important to your success/wellbeing slips away and you need to get away from it all, you still need somebody human to talk to, those business networks/co-founders/co-workers and partners have their own families and friends to go back to because business in the end is business. You cannot hope that all the other business people and entrepreneurs would want to spend time with you, they might be your competitors or they might be waiting to gain from you and investing their time while wasting yours. There is little room for emotions and feelings in the workplace but as humans we desire the need to share those emotions elsewhere and that's where this concept of friends and family come in. I am sure as any good business man will tell you, there is work and then there is a life outside of that, in most cases its not wise to mix both.

I'm starting to get more guy friend phone numbers from meetups. What do you guys tend to do to hang out with friends that are NOT bars. I don't mind bars, but want some other ideas. One problem I find with a lot of potential friends is they want me to do artwork or some graphic design for them, when I just want to hang out without strings attached. Feels wrong to me.

Go to the gunrange and throw slugs at some clay disc.


Its cold as shit but a flask of whiskey will knock that out

If you are into sports or cars it's pretty easy.

I have done trekking or dirt road biking with guys whom I have newly gotten to know.

Its hard to do non drinking stuff with mates when its all most guys are used to from uni/college. Its possible to find new activities though:

- Fitness stuff - Lift weights, go for runs, go for a hike
- Food - just grab lunch / dinner somewhere casual
- Poker / board games - if theres a few of you
- Playing music / fixing cars / shooting guns if any of them are of interest to both of you

It probably depends a lot on your age though. If you're in your early 20s its harder to do any of the above when going to a bar is just what everyone expects socially. Late 20s or older its more common to find mates conscious of health and not wanting to deal with hangovers so more up for sober activities.

Quote: (01-14-2018 04:59 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

BG, Ok, you don't like going for happy hour beers and believe Gary V is the template of success. IMHO, you should replace Gary V with someone like Ray Dalio but thats just me.

Here is a video of Gary V doing an interview w/ Ray Dalio.
In this video, Ray Dalio is promoting his book and talks about various topics.
I would recommend you to check it out since it seems like you actually prefer Ray Dalio over Gary V. The thing is I actually love Ray Dalio.

The funny thing is that you will notice when you watch this video is that they surprisingly agree with each other on about 95% of the things.
Their mentality on success, philosophies about life are pretty much identical.
The only thing that they disagreed on is about meditation.
Gary V doesn't meditate, Ray Dalio does.

Therefore, you can say that I am as big of a fan of Ray Dalio as much as Gary V. I just consume more of Gary V's content as he just puts out a lot more content compared to Ray Dalio. Ray Dalio doesn't have much content. Lol.

Thus, your point is invalid. There is no such thing as replacing Gary with Ray.

Quote: (01-14-2018 04:59 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

Anyways, I'm curious what your own experience has taught you.

What are your N+1 lessons?

What are you working on now?

What's worked best for you?

I don't know what N+1 is and what your third question is asking. Is that in terms of dating, relationship or my life in general?

Sorry, I am not really interested in this discussion as I don't really have anything to gain from qualifying myself to a person online that I have never met. If you are THAT curious, you can answer those questions that you asked me first, then I will try to answer them.

Fascinating topic.

It seems there's a tension as we grow older: Keeping intact with your "original" community VS pushing ourselves into new environments, ideas and people.

I suspect that most RVF members, including myself, are of the latter. We probably had to early on cut the umbilical cord from our old friends/family to achieve something greater in our lives.

The question is up to the individual: how far do you wish to go down the rabbit hole?

Is it fortune and opportunities one seeks? If so, a detachment from our original familiar source is likely needed in this hyper globalized and competitive world to seek and expand ourselves and our products into new markets. In this journey, will come the trials of tribulations of joining new tribes and meeting new friends.

If one seeks a strong connection to society, family, and God, then likely one would need to nourish and feed those to re-create those strong roots. Reaching out to good old friends, Family friends, and community leaders.

Perhaps there's a sweet middle ground spot? Perhaps as we grow and become more financially successful there's the opportunity to engage in a symbiotic relationship with our new or old communities? Engaging in our cities chamber's of commerce. Engaging in fostering strong community events so that our youth doesn't get brainwashed into leftist ideologies.

Without alluding to an answer, it seems that the underlying questions, justifications, and reasons behind each of our individual actions and desires to involve ourselves into new/old groups is at the heart of this issue.

Quote: (01-16-2018 07:33 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Its hard to do non drinking stuff with mates when its all most guys are used to from uni/college. Its possible to find new activities though:

- Fitness stuff - Lift weights, go for runs, go for a hike
- Food - just grab lunch / dinner somewhere casual
- Poker / board games - if theres a few of you
- Playing music / fixing cars / shooting guns if any of them are of interest to both of you

It probably depends a lot on your age though. If you're in your early 20s its harder to do any of the above when going to a bar is just what everyone expects socially. Late 20s or older its more common to find mates conscious of health and not wanting to deal with hangovers so more up for sober activities.

I totally connect with this. I'm 34, getting close to 35. For the first time in my life since the age of 19 I am adjusting to NOT revolving my life & fun times around drinking. I am trying to boost my productivity, my fitness (it has been working!!!), my quest for knowledge, my quest for business success, etc. It is like it took a decade and a half to finally reach an epiphany. Having a son (I'm not with his mother anymore unfortunately) certainly contributed to this mentality as well.

I'm the same dude that would stay out back in the day until 5 AM at after hours nightclubs in Chicago. I have blacked out many times over the years as well. I don't miss the hangovers one bit!

Quote:Rollo Wrote:

Despite the unprecedented connectivity we enjoy today men really don’t seek out bonds with other men. This is primarily due to the fact that men need a common purpose in order to form these bonds. Again, this is just how we’re wired. Women intentionally schedule time to simply interact with their same-sex friends just for the sake of communicating and enjoying the act of communicating. Men need function or a common purpose to come together. We need an activity or a problem to solve and then we communicate and form bonds.

https://therationalmale.com/2017/12/01/m...nt-page-3/

Quote: (01-16-2018 02:17 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

Quote: (01-14-2018 04:59 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

BG, Ok, you don't like going for happy hour beers and believe Gary V is the template of success. IMHO, you should replace Gary V with someone like Ray Dalio but thats just me.

Here is a video of Gary V doing an interview w/ Ray Dalio.
In this video, Ray Dalio is promoting his book and talks about various topics.
I would recommend you to check it out since it seems like you actually prefer Ray Dalio over Gary V. The thing is I actually love Ray Dalio.

The funny thing is that you will notice when you watch this video is that they surprisingly agree with each other on about 95% of the things.
Their mentality on success, philosophies about life are pretty much identical.
The only thing that they disagreed on is about meditation.
Gary V doesn't meditate, Ray Dalio does.

Therefore, you can say that I am as big of a fan of Ray Dalio as much as Gary V. I just consume more of Gary V's content as he just puts out a lot more content compared to Ray Dalio. Ray Dalio doesn't have much content. Lol.

Thus, your point is invalid. There is no such thing as replacing Gary with Ray.

Quote: (01-14-2018 04:59 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

Anyways, I'm curious what your own experience has taught you.

What are your N+1 lessons?

What are you working on now?

What's worked best for you?

I don't know what N+1 is and what your third question is asking. Is that in terms of dating, relationship or my life in general?

Sorry, I am not really interested in this discussion as I don't really have anything to gain from qualifying myself to a person online that I have never met. If you are THAT curious, you can answer those questions that you asked me first, then I will try to answer them.

The reason Gary V has a lot more content than Dalio, Munger, Felix Dennis etc is because his business is content. That's his primary claim to fame.

All the others toiled for decades and compiled their hard earned wisdom into a few works.

Which is more valuable?

N+1 is incremental results by constantly tinkering with habits and ideas. Since you've been spouting your business advice, its safe to assume that is what I was inquiring about. (Jesus I hate going into the autism weeds)

This is a forum of information exchange. You gain by sharing. You wanted to throw your dick on the table. Back it up.

You proved what I assumed, you don't have any personal insights because you haven't attempted anything. And that's okay. When you do, come back and share them.

Quote: (01-18-2018 12:37 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

The reason Gary V has a lot more content than Dalio, Munger, Felix Dennis etc is because his business is content. That's his primary claim to fame.

No shit...Lol.

Quote: (01-18-2018 12:37 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

All the others toiled for decades and compiled their hard earned wisdom into a few works.

Which is more valuable?

It really depends.

Quote: (01-18-2018 12:37 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

N+1 is incremental results by constantly tinkering with habits and ideas. Since you've been spouting your business advice, its safe to assume that is what I was inquiring about.

No, I have not been spouting my business advice?
Where does it say that I am giving out my business advice?
I was just stating my opinion. You can take it or leave it, dude.
No need to get emotional here, man. Lol.

Autism level off the charts.

I just asked my classmates what N+1 is, nobody knew about it. Lol.

Quote: (01-18-2018 12:37 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

You wanted to throw your dick on the table. Back it up.

Nah

Quote: (01-18-2018 12:37 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

You proved what I assumed, you don't have any personal insights because you haven't attempted anything. And that's okay. When you do, come back and share them.

I can literally repeat this segment back to you.
I don't want to cause too much trouble here since I respect this forum and all the value that I been getting.
If you want to continue, shoot me a pm. Otherwise I am out.
I have stated my point clearly and there is no need for elaboration.
I have nothing to gain by arguing with another human being that I don't even know in real life.

Take care. Wish you the best.

I feel like maybe were overcomplicating things. I've found the best way to make friends is to join an active community of interest. Like ultimate Frisbee (which I'm into) a gaming group, mma group. Etc

Whatever hobby your most into, or passion for that matter. Sometimes I just don't click well with some of the members within the group, other times we get along really well. Before you know it your out hitting up bars together, talking about plans for a road trip.

Politics is good if you're a libertarian, or of some sort of out of the norm political persuasion. I met a lot of interesting eccentric people just through going to Libertarian party gatherings. Although i'm sure if you're a republican you can meet people at republican gatherings.

Guns are good too, although it helps to have a friend that already shoots, because he will most likely have friends that shoot.