Quote: (12-11-2017 09:50 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:
@LeonardDNeubache why is it you're on every thread that mentions race??.....
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Fair dinkum, mate!
Quote: (12-12-2017 01:04 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (12-11-2017 09:50 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:
@LeonardDNeubache why is it you're on every thread that mentions race??.....
I am? Shit, I was worried I'd missed a few here and there.
Cheers!
No mate, you're spot on! You haven't missed a single bloody one! I've been checking too. Sleep easy.
Ahem.
ElJefe1, you raise a good point. Lenny is kind of involved with a lot of these threads, I'll give you that. Could be a couple of reasons. Could be he's a white nationalist racist trying to bring about mayhem and chaos through the conduit of the RooshV forum (plausible in your eyes?), or it could be he has a vested interest in this argument, and 'gives a shit', has 'skin in the game', and just wants to have a banter about stuff that is dear and personal to him. Oh, and has bollocks big enough to even begin to venture in to this arena, apart from the intelligence to hold a rational, logical debate. I don't think he's a white nationalist, let's just say that.
Why? Well, his wife is not white, neither are his kids. So he's off to a pretty 'shady' start with that one, so to speak.
I'm speaking for Lenny here, and that's not the sort of thing you want to do for anyone unless you think you have a pretty good handle on the situation. I'm sure he will correct me if I step out of line.
I've met Lenny's sort before. Rare breed. They do exist. True Race Warrior. What is a 'Race Warrior'?
A 'Race Warrior' is any man, black or white, that wants more than nothing else for all human beings, be they black or white, to live in harmony on planet earth. Good luck with that gig!
A 'Race Warrior' doesn't give a shit if you are black or white. Or any shade. He only cares about how you act. How you behave. Can you live nicely among people? Can you observe the 'Golden Rule'? If so, welcome! If not, we don't want your racist bullshit here.
Black people are racist. Very much so. So are a lot of white people. So are many people that it would be hard to classify as either white or black. Shunned by one or other community. See 'half-caste', 'half-breed' or more eloquently in the vernacular these days: 'mixed-race'.
Lenny's kids are mixed race. In probably one of the most racist countries on the planet: Oz!
There is stupid blind racism, and there is superior genetics/IQ racism in a far more sophisticated form. I don't think Lenny is subscribing to either of these broad definitions. Is he a 'racist'? Yes, very much so, in the form of: 'I see that race exists and it causes many problems, and I don't want it to do that, but I won't hide meekly behind pretending that there is no issue here, burying me head in the sand'. Lenny has heeded the 'call up' to quote The Clash.
Maybe he doesn't like Hip Hop. Perhaps he doesn't like Reggae. Doesn't make him a 'racist'. He might have deep personally held convictions as to why he finds these types of music 'degenerate' (I am musing here, perhaps he dances naked around the barbie listening to Black Uhuru, for all I know ;-)).
I've seen nothing at all in any single one of Lenny's posts on the subject, that suggests to me he is a hater of black people, or people with a different coloured skin. Of course, he might by lying, he might not have a Latina wife and/or kids. He might be one of those super-intelligent CIA plants that disrupt forums. But fuck me, what game if so! I tend to err on the side of mediocrity and just believe he's a fair dinkum bloke that lives somewhere not quite in the outback, that somehow managed to get an internet connection. What a time to be alive.
How do I know someone like Lenny so well? Well, I like to think of myself as a bit of a 'Race Warrior' too. It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it.
But the great thing about this forum is, we have quite a few 'Race Warriors' - people like TravelerKai, Samseau (in his own inimitable fashion) - many such types. Not all white nationalists.
I'm not sure if you are aware, and maybe I am wrong on the point, but I don't think you will find another forum on the entire internet that can broach the subject of race relations in such a decent and valid manner. I have not been able to find one anyway. And this is a pet subject of mine. I've gone pretty easy on it here, as this forum is rightly heavily moderated on such matters. Roosh does a great job of nipping things in the bud from new 'troll' accounts, whilst simultaneously allowing quite rigorous debate between high-post, high-rep members. Kudos.
Look, I don't know Lenny. We've never chatted via PM, we've had a few exchanges through forum posts. I don't pretend to know the bloke, and I don't know you either. All I'm trying to convey is the fact that just because someone posts a lot in 'race-related' threads, well, it might be for more higher purposes, as compared to nefarious intent. It was an honest question, and even though I've 'butted in', I hope, an honest answer.
This forum is a rare and vital 'thing' for the advancement of race relations. I value its black members as much as its white. And you know, the shades in between. I'm sorry if I put my foot in my mouth. I never speak with malice.
Talking of such...
I see my good pal Conscious Pirate put his foot in his mouth again, somewhat, in some of your eyes. Granted, he could be a bit more polite.
Again, I'm going to speak for someone else, and I expect all the comebacks that can entail. CP will pull me up as well, if I overstep, I am sure.
Sometimes, it's not what you say, but how you say it. CP dived in here with an abrasive tint on his viewpoint. Sorry CP, but you obviously haven't read that copy of 'How to win friends and influence people' that I sent you for Christmas.
But his opinion still stands. Many people feel that people like Jay-Z have exploited their 'own people' whilst making virtue of the fact of sticking it to the white man, not just the white man, in fact, let me correct myself, those that are weaker than them, be they black or white. Ghetto life. Thug culture.
CP was involved in some way with the entertainment industry. I think he might be bitter (rightly so). This is only what I have gleaned through small snippets from the forum. Again, he can correct me. So he has 'skin in the game' even if it is in a small way.
As for his crass comments alluding to 'people sucking Jay-Z's dick', or whatever, they were just that, crass. Not well thought out, insulting to any member, be them higher or lower rep.
CP has bared his soul here on this forum. Many read, but not all comment.
CP has behavioral problems, as do I. Takes one to know one. No excuse. No get out of jail free card. People like us get banned, and rightly so. You can't have people sewing mayhem and shitting up your forum. Too much at stake. Too much valuable information.
CP has been through things most of us can not imagine in our worst nightmares. I hope you understand I am not excusing his behavior here (that I'm sure he's more than a little embarrassed by anyway) - I'm not trying to justify or rationalize.
I am not saying anything you can't glean from his posts on this forum.
He over-stepped the mark. I'm going to severely pull him up about this next time I speak to him. More because he has let himself down. He's a high value man. He's on our side. He's also a warrior too. He doesn't have what a lot of you high value men have - the most important thing in the world - a loving caring Mother to guide him through. He's bared his soul over this. And worse, his Mother is abusive, and has laid 'booby traps' in his deep psyche and personality that has led to events like this. "It's a trap!".
For those of you he insulted, I ask humbly that you dig deep, and look at the bigger picture. What he has shared, at great personal cost to himself, is invaluable for many many damaged men. Truly damaged men, not just some young lads that couldn't get a lay, but will next week. This kind of abuse lasts a lifetime. I can hardly believe I am writing this. Lenny has got one massive pair of bollocks on him, but CP's bollocks are no less big in my eyes.
Still, no excuse for being a quick-tempered shitlord and not putting your argument out there in a reasonable and well-mannered fashion.
As for Jay-Z - good luck to him. Dude is obviously well astute. He's got game. I don't particularly like the brand of Hip Hop he is pushing. I quite dislike it, in fact. But the world has moved on. Raging against it is fine. But it probably does little for one's personal development.
I liked the little speech he gave - there was wisdom in there. Not the wisdom of a nasty, I'm harder than you, type of thug. The wisdom of one that has been given the grace of time and perspective, not to mention comfort and wealth, to propound his deeper viewpoint. I can't argue with it. People would do well to heed it.
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