^ Even with these girls you need game especially if you didn't grow up with her or go to school and are a stranger.

I am sure if I acted thirsty, insecure, or impatient I'd scare the cat immediately.

Knowing that I have a plan and mission for life means if she ghosted now or turns out she is a born again hoe I am not going to sit with my head drowning in a gay peach flavor craft beer mug.

Quote: (05-13-2017 06:17 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Even with these girls you need game especially if you didn't grow up with her or go to school and are a stranger.

I am sure if I acted thirsty, insecure, or impatient I'd scare the cat immediately.

Knowing that I have a plan and mission for life means if she ghosted now or turns out she is a born again hoe I am not going to sit with my head drowning in a gay peach flavor craft beer mug.

That's basically why I lost that first girl - I acted insecure and scared her away. Still, it's nice to be reminded that there are still normal women out there.

Re-reading this thread as it seems I've found a similar "good" girl, she's making me reevaluate a few things. It is definitely refreshing.

"Women are looking for one man to fulfill all their needs, desires, and dreams"

"Men are looking for all women to fulfill their one need, desire, and dream"

The former in that quote is still true for the 'good girl'. It's been said and I concur that LTR game with a good one requires next level game compared to just banging randoms

From my experience with very traditional, feminine, shy, nerdy Chinese girls: even these types of girls do react well to strong men who know what they want. You don't have to wait forever to push as long as you've shown plenty of comfort in previous meetups.

The big difference with the girls I meet here who are genuinely shy compared to US girls is that western girls are constantly seeing, hearing, living in a highly sexual environment in the west. Girls here aren't. I go for a couple dates and end with some kissing in a park. I kino and put my hands on their hips, stomach, neck. Next date they come to my place and I take off their top and my shirt, play with there chest. Just fun. But the next step would be sex and they know it and I know it. If they come over again there aren't any illusions even for these girls.

Quote: (09-21-2016 05:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Rather than talk about averages, can you actually tell me of a girl you know who meets these requirements!

The last 19-yr old sophomore I dated.

Quote: (05-13-2017 06:17 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Even with these girls you need game especially if you didn't grow up with her or go to school and are a stranger.

I am sure if I acted thirsty, insecure, or impatient I'd scare the cat immediately.

Knowing that I have a plan and mission for life means if she ghosted now or turns out she is a born again hoe I am not going to sit with my head drowning in a gay peach flavor craft beer mug.

Yep. There's a reason why some of these girls aren't married to any of the dudes at their bible study group.

Sunday texted her to hang out tonight (Tuesday). She didn't respond until early this afternoon. Now I feel like most girls would have texted sometime on Monday "let me figure out my schedule and get back to you".

Once it was past noon today my gut thought she would blank me and send a text that night about being too busy or something.

She texted she could only meet for a hour and half window in the early evening in a certain area. I was guessing she had a work appointment or something planned after.

Wanted to sit at the bar to be able to touch her. Place is totally empty with 4 bored staff and a bored bartender. Can immediately tell bartender will be a problem he stands in front of us like he wants to be apart of the conversation. He mentions to the chick he saw her get take out awhile back. Ok time to move out to the patio & neutralize all this bullshit. Patio is better, bartender seemed miffed I wanted to move. This shit never happens in Colombia I will tell you that, guys there are too busy hiding burner phones and worrying if their girlfriend will catch them.

I had a champagne & apps, she didn't want a drink or eat, just water at first venue. Lots of eye contact, she is definitely more comfortable with long eye contact. Head to venue 2.

Pass a homeless man on the corner looks like a retired high school sports coach with a Marine cardboard sign. I give him a few bucks. He says "What a beautiful wife you have! Is that your wife?" I thought he was going to take his money and go back to pestering cars waiting at the light.

This was a good thinking on my feet test, I don't think I did too well, I love these tests though. A straight yes or no would have been too boring in my eyes. Could gone, "yeah don't get any ideas bud!" and toyed with the situation. "no you looking for a new wife, she's really nice!". All I could come up with was a grinning playful "not quite...". He kept immediately rambling and talking our ears of for 2 sets of crosswalks signals. By the third I was standing 10 feet into the crosswalk, he switched to her and I kept ambling away, finally of course as traffic needed to start going he let her go. We had a good laugh about how to avoid him on the way back. I should have grabbed her hand after the first crosswalk signal passed and when the second one just dragged her and said talk to ya later bud.

Venue two is better. We sit on stools by the window. We laugh more than previous times, we are more relaxed. I grab her upper thigh during laughs, palm read her, let our legs touch. Again she is good at filling in silences with personal questions.

She asks when I have to go on my family emergency visit (got pushed back) which is a good sign I think she remembered and cares when and how long I am going.


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Things I found out for sure. She is too shy to wear a bathing suit. She hits the gym on a nightly basis like clockwork. When Googling her she has no social media like she has said, she does have a few photos from other things.. one seems like it was from a few years ago and she looks chubby. Now and in other photo she is rail thin.

From all her shy behavior and shyness about bathing suits or even wearing revealing clothing (she always has tights and sleeve dresses it seems - however she had a strap top under a jacket on a warm day, she took off the jacket), that she maybe an ex fatty, and I wonder if she has some sort of eating disorder.

She doesn't like to cook, ever. She gets fruits, vegetables, salad stuff from the grocery store and lives off that. She only recently got her driver's license for the first time. She is a nervous driver. She claims cooking has too much stuff going on, she's afraid she will mess it up. I am wondering how much of this is coming out of her shell vs. something bad and permanent.

I pried about how much she drank or partied in college. It feels like not at all as I sort of suspected. She only has ever drank at a special occasion like a glass of wine at a wedding. She says her and her friends only ever studied and barely went to any events. I am also wondering if the chubby photo was her when she sat around studying all the time eating dorm food, and was too shy & insecure to go meet people.

On the good side she was on time as always, nails done perfectly, groomed well, doesn't need any makeup to look cute. She is completely agreeable on going places, no complaints, no phone out. Zero bitchiness at any point. Zero complaints about anything. Zero unpleasant vocal tones. No conversational shit tests at all.


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As I said before this is the week she decides on whether she is moving. I aksed her if she still had to decided if she was moving this week and she said yes. I talked to someone I trust about how to layout smoothly what I am going for. I dropped:

"Hey I wanted to say something, I don't know where this is going, I like spending time with you want to continue to see where it goes whatever happens with you (meaning her choice this week)."

It seemed like a bit of a gamble, my gut told me to bring something like this up early. It seemed to hit extremely well, her eyes lit up big time, and she smiled saying she likes spending time with me too.

It is still sunny as fuck out. Who invented the sun anyway? Some kind of asshole. I go in for the kiss like usual only to get the cheek though she is expecting it now and is waiting for the cheek kiss. She gives me a better hug maybe a C- instead of a D-.

I tell her hey when you see me you need to give me a real hug no more half way stranger hugs. Then I grab & bear hug her up next to me and give her a tight squeeze cuddle hug she squeezes me back. Finally our first good hug. Christ almighty.

Friday may be movie night at my place, we'll see.

The player inside me is extremely scared. I know if I don't get into something like this and try I would be the guy at 45 on a bar stool in Colombia regretting it. If I fail trying fine. I'll be content. On the other hand I want to master Spanish, Russian, dancing, a few musical instruments and smash pussy all over this planet like a bull in a china shop.

Lord have mercy.

Christ have mercy.

All i can say is that many on this forum would feel lucky enough to have the feelings that you are going through. Its something that the " Player" in us has forgotten.

Remember the scene in "Pirates of the Caribbean" the curse of the black pearl", where Barbosa is hit by bullet and he says " I feel "

Quote: (05-13-2017 09:34 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

very traditional, feminine, shy, nerdy Chinese girls

I love those types.

To all you guys in the process of hunting for good girls/working on a good girl, how do you deal with their traditional views on sex combined with your need for pussy? I ask because even though I'm having sex with other girls, I've gone on 4 dates with my current good girl (Only has had sex once, submissive and feminine, traditional/religious) and I'm fighting this ingrained urge I have to next her because we haven't had sex yet. I know she isn't wasting my time, because she treats me like a king, and will bend over backwards for me.

We've done everything but sex, and she's slept over my apartment 3x, including naked last time. I have to admit; I'm a mildly frustrated and perhaps putting too much energy into this girl. This feels like a balancing act; any of you gentleman had a similar experience or thoughts on the way forward?

Quote: (05-18-2017 12:34 AM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

To all you guys in the process of hunting for good girls/working on a good girl, how do you deal with their traditional views on sex combined with your need for pussy? I ask because even though I'm having sex with other girls, I've gone on 4 dates with my current good girl (Only has had sex once, submissive and feminine, traditional/religious) and I'm fighting this ingrained urge I have to next her because we haven't had sex yet. I know she isn't wasting my time, because she treats me like a king, and will bend over backwards for me.

We've done everything but sex, and she's slept over my apartment 3x, including naked last time. I have to admit; I'm a mildly frustrated and perhaps putting too much energy into this girl. This feels like a balancing act; any of you gentleman had a similar experience or thoughts on the way forward?

If you've been on four dates and she's slept at your apartment three times, not to mention naked, you should have nailed her by now in my book. I'd question how traditional her views on sex really are for her to put herself in such a situation. Is she actively stopping you escalating?

I've recently started a similar endeavour and it's looking tentatively good. She's a nine in my book- just turned 21 (I'm nearly 29), 32D, 5'10" tall, only one previous partner. She's a farm girl, insanely pretty with or without makeup, very feminine and the first girl I've ever been genuinely happy just to be around as we gel so well. I played it cool, almost disinterested in making out for the first four dates- always pulling away first from the kiss, etc. On the fifth date we took my truck and a barbecue up the hill, and I could tell she was super horny so I took her back to mine. She's stayed over a few more times since and hasn't revealed any bad habits. I think she's a case of a shy girl keeping busy with work. Either way she's a breath of fresh air compared to most other girls.

I wish you gentlemen all the best in your respective quests.

@Travesty: I'm working on a datasheet for hunting good girls and virgins and your last girl fit my field data perfectly.

The key is to look for girls who have minor disorder that has no effect on your relationship.

So girls who are ex-fatty, shy girls, late-bloomers, inferiority complex, strict vegetarian, girls who have abandonment issues, etc.

What you do there is taking one minor cons for a hundred pros.

Muslim girls are a nice niche if you can filter out the trash. My player buddy got engaged to one. For some reasons high quality Muslim girls are easier to game than high quality Christian girls from what I've seen.

Quote: (05-18-2017 08:54 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

@Travesty: I'm working on a datasheet for hunting good girls and virgins and your last girl fit my field data perfectly.

The key is to look for girls who have minor disorder that has no effect on your relationship.

So girls who are ex-fatty, shy girls, late-bloomers, inferiority complex, strict vegetarian, girls who have abandonment issues, etc.

What you do there is taking one minor cons for a hundred pros.

Muslim girls are a nice niche if you can filter out the trash. My player buddy got engaged to one. For some reasons high quality Muslim girls are easier to game than high quality Christian girls from what I've seen.

Always been tried and true.

Quote: (05-18-2017 04:02 AM)roberto Wrote:  

I've recently started a similar endeavour and it's looking tentatively good. She's a nine in my book- just turned 21 (I'm nearly 29), 32D, 5'10" tall, only one previous partner. She's a farm girl, insanely pretty with or without makeup, very feminine and the first girl I've ever been genuinely happy just to be around as we gel so well... I think she's a case of a shy girl keeping busy with work. Either way she's a breath of fresh air compared to most other girls.

Awesome man, props on finding a girl like this.

I don't know you personally (as of yet), but if this girl is a 95%er (as in, she is all you are looking for, but maybe has a couple minor things wrong-- the stuff you listed above makes her above 90% in my book), I'd just encourage you to try to make a serious go of it.

I am in my mid 30s without such a girl. Believe me, it wears on you as you age. You begin to wonder if anything close to a 95% will cross your path.

Here's hoping it works out!

Quote: (05-18-2017 04:51 PM)Slam Wrote:  

Quote: (05-18-2017 04:02 AM)roberto Wrote:  

I've recently started a similar endeavour and it's looking tentatively good. She's a nine in my book- just turned 21 (I'm nearly 29), 32D, 5'10" tall, only one previous partner. She's a farm girl, insanely pretty with or without makeup, very feminine and the first girl I've ever been genuinely happy just to be around as we gel so well... I think she's a case of a shy girl keeping busy with work. Either way she's a breath of fresh air compared to most other girls.

Awesome man, props on finding a girl like this.

I don't know you personally (as of yet), but if this girl is a 95%er (as in, she is all you are looking for, but maybe has a couple minor things wrong-- the stuff you listed above makes her above 90% in my book), I'd just encourage you to try to make a serious go of it.

I am in my mid 30s without such a girl. Believe me, it wears on you as you age. You begin to wonder if anything close to a 95% will cross your path.

Here's hoping it works out!

Thanks brother. I'm tempering my expectations, as it's early days. But you can tell when one really is different.

Quote: (05-19-2017 02:41 AM)roberto Wrote:  

Thanks brother. I'm tempering my expectations, as it's early days. But you can tell when one really is different.

If you want to know more whether or not she's a good girl, you have to see how she reacts when you are down.

It's very easy for a woman to be all cute and wonderful when you are spitting your best game. But a wife who sits in your laps and soothe you down and get you a cold one when you get back from work, all fumed and exhausted because of your asshole boss? When you are fired and looking for work? That's how you judge a good girl back in the day and should still how it should be now.

How does she behaves when you are sick? Tired? Desperate? It says a lot about who she is. I've seen the sweetest, most loving girls turn into ice queen as soon as the men stop being on their A-game.

But a good girl? When you say "babe I'm so tired I'm not sure if you should come over", she will show up all smiling, with your favorite food, and cheers you up. She will tell you to go to the doctor and will accompany you there, then make sure you take your med. She will make the tea, press the orange juice, cook the porridge when you are sick.

Basically, a good girl cares for you like your mother cares for you (assuming you have a traditional loving mother ) because she loves you.

You can have a list of all the pros and cons but in the end I think that's all there is to what makes a good girl.

Likewise, you cant tell me how wonderful your girl is unless you can tell me what she has done to take care of you with her own hands. Gifts dont count. Even my backstabbing coworker can give me gifts.

Theres a Christian girl I'm getting the feelzz for, haha. I'm not all thirsty over her, but I am attracted to her. She's close to my social/church circle, how should I pursue it, I may marry this girl maybe not, definitely LTR.

I have had a lot of decisions to make. It seems it will take a lot more comfort to form a bond with the girl I have been seeing, though she exhibits all the right traits repeatedly.

The emotional risk is much higher than what I am used to on both her side and mine.

I don't think I will post more until more questions are answered.

I will say as someone that has lead my life this isn't easy. It is like looking for a new family member you can trust at that level & someone you want to sacrifice at that level. Striking out in Serbia was a lot more fun and light hearted.

This feels like real life and growing up, the chips are much higher & it is a very strange thing.

Sadly I think even if I found a girl that was attractive enough, young enough, could bond enough, I would still look at the guy with the hotter chick and my mind would wander to what if?

As someone in my position that is a hard thing to wrestle with & to stay happy in a relationship with an actual keeper it feels like the best method so far is avoid places and scenarios you would run into these girls. I am about 99% sure I don't have what it takes to go outside on the downlow.

Stick with it, and see it through. You'll get those questions answered in good time.

Quote: (05-28-2017 12:34 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

Sadly I think even if I found a girl that was attractive enough, young enough, could bond enough, I would still look at the guy with the hotter chick and my mind would wander to what if?

As someone in my position that is a hard thing to wrestle with & to stay happy in a relationship with an actual keeper it feels like the best method so far is avoid places and scenarios you would run into these girls. I am about 99% sure I don't have what it takes to go outside on the downlow.

You could be going out with any girl but you'll always fancy something different sometimes. I don't think that ever changes but then again I am quite young. You could be going out with a 9 blonde but see something about a 7 brunette and feel the urge to want to bang hard.

Travesty if it makes you feel any better man I have been in a similar situation. I ran away. So at least you're doing better than me... I knew it was going to end up in a nuclear explosion in the end and I tried to make it as peaceful as possible, but even after trying to soften the blow I greatly damaged her, caused her to go crazy for a while and it hurt me greatly when I heard what she had done after we broke up. Everyone knew she didn't drink, didn't do drugs, and was a virgin. She ruined herself in all those respects and it was sickening, but all she could think of was her pain. And after that, I couldn't love her like I had before anyway. There was no longer the happy, glistening look in her eyes as she looked at me, just hollow emptiness and hatred. No girl does that shit and becomes that way and gets forgiveness from me. Once a good girl is gone bad she's gone forever. Even if I were willing to take her back I couldn't because she has fallen to average. It hurts.

You mentioned about the emotional costs on each end being so high. Losing a good girl or what at least you think is a good girl at the time, and her losing you, can deal heavy damage to both of you. You have the potential to ruin this girl. She has the potential to hurt you a lot, intentionally or unintentionally. It's a delicate, sensitive situation.

@Conquerer, I have had attractive GFs but banged them so many times in so many ways that I used to wait until she had gone to sleep so I could open my laptop to wack off to porn. And I would have random urges to bang 5s I saw with big tits and it doesn't matter that my GF is technically higher than a 5. I think a man should be allowed to bang random girls even in marriage while the wife stays 100% faithful because men and women are different. Viagra has sold so much because it is normal for a guy's dick to not respond to an old middle aged woman, or even the same attractive girl he's been banging 3 years; give him a new hot 19 year old and he won't be needing any of those pills.

Quote: (05-29-2017 06:11 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

@Conquerer, I have had attractive GFs but banged them so many times in so many ways that I used to wait until she had gone to sleep so I could open my laptop to wack off to porn.

True love.

Quote: (05-21-2017 04:07 PM)Robert Rule Wrote:  

Theres a Christian girl I'm getting the feelzz for, haha. I'm not all thirsty over her, but I am attracted to her. She's close to my social/church circle, how should I pursue it, I may marry this girl maybe not, definitely LTR.

Buy her a brand new white Range Rover. I have seen this work time & again.

How is the search going? Any luck?