[Easy_C]

Dave made the point I wanted to make. It's very tempting to just think she's a good LTR material because of nationality. Don't. It's a mental shortcut that feels good because you have to think less. Keep in mind that some of the most "traditional" countries out there also have some of the most aggressive, predatory gold diggers out there. The nice behavior will last just as long as you're financially useful to her. Remember AWALT until they prove otherwise.

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You will get To know people from other churches maximizing your chances To find a good girl. Just be aware of the church sluts like the guys already said!

Most effective litmus test I've found is to see how they feel about contraception. A lot of them will go against abortion because of the herd mentality but very few will actually say they believe contraception is wrong. So far I've found an extremely strong correlation between LTR material women and ones who are anti-contraception.

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A question: would you pay more attention to the advises of your father or from your mother in relation to your girl? They have sometimes different perspectives... But both want the best for you.

Assuming you've got high quality parents weigh both. Just make sure you understand how they form opinions so you know how to weigh their opinion against your own.

[Comendador]

Good tip for screening in this niche. But despite all stratagies we still need a lot of luck to find a good wife...

[N°6]

(09-26-2016 10:08 PM)Kinko Wrote:  

I was at the Christian mega church again tonight. The place treats single people like they are a disease. Its like single people are defective.

I suspect married women train non married women to wear the wedding rings to bring an image that everyone is married in order to thwart single men away. Something literally that sick and twisted and pointless is occurring at this church.

Who knows I could be wrong but the mear gut instinct that something is wrong like that is enough. Being near the older married women who are in charge of everything is a vibe of mental illness and a hatred of youth too. Sure we have classes and learning going on, it is staged that way, but the over riding agenda of these old married hens is to make sure single men stay single.

Sad

Semi-relevant.

[Akula]

(09-24-2016 06:43 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 04:28 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

The Russian girls I've dated in the USA all tend to not want to put out right away, will make you wait a few dates just to kiss them full on much less bang.

Many have made that observation and been fooled into thinking it means that Russian girls are sexually conservative... it doesn't. All it means is that one-night stands are foreign to Russian culture. They usually follow a three-date rule, which does tend to limit the number mega-sluts, but you'll still find plenty of 20-year-old Russian girls who have run out of fingers and toes to count their notches.

On the other hand, there is practically no stigma against cheating in relationships and marriage, 'sponsorship' (soft prostitution / gold-digging), divorce, or single motherhood in Russia.

Russia is a great place to find sexy, feminine women with rich personalities, but be careful not to pedestalize them. Their culture doesn't really support the idea of eternal marriage. Nor does their church - it tolerates up to three marriages.

I agree with everything you've written on this DaveR but still think Russia is a better place to find a wife than the USA (as long as you don't bring her back)

At a minimum the fact that many Russian and Ukrainian women really want to have a family and raise kids puts them miles ahead of US women. The other issues like frivorce will always be there wherever you go in the Anglosphere as well. But this is for the other thread....

(09-24-2016 11:10 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

Ukrainian and Russian cultures are very similar and they have the same astronomical divorce rate. Much of it is the result of Soviet anti-family indoctrination.

Just as an aside you still gotta look at who's doing the divorcing in Russia and it's typically men whereas in the US its 80% women. Big difference.

Getting back to this thread, RE the church angle, man while I do think it's worth exploring I also believe that its a tough one. From a Catholic angle I think a lot of the real truly Catholic families will be looking for their daughters to 'marry up' or at least within the larger social circle or the college pool. To the extent you can show massive value (and I know you can ) then sure I think you could 'break in'. But an even bigger issue is that most of the 'good ones' get snatched up early of course, so you'll be facing the familiar problem of dealing with a lot of single or divorced women with baggage (single moms, sluttier girls, head cases, 'redemption' types who are 'starting over' with an attitude, etc,).

It's probably different in other denominations of course.

What about wine-tasting classes or clubs? Or something artsy but not too artsy (fine arts class? Painting?)

[Travesty]

So I may have the opportunity soon to work anywhere in the U.S. remotely for an extended period (1-2 years maybe more...) and be able to roam wherever. The company I work for has a strict policy against working abroad (even Canada) remotely because their lawyers tell them about the liability and they have had past problems with employees working abroad. They need a written plan to sign with HR of where I would be working from what dates for liability purposes I guess - though I am sure it could be changed a few a times. Though they want a rough outline at the very least.

I guess I can trying working abroad, if for someone reason it came out I was outside the U.S. it could mean being fired which I am weighing very carefully anyways.

The ability to travel in the U.S. is nice though, I haven't thought of the possibility until this opportunity came up.

Before when looking at places in the U.S. to find a LTR girl I always thought of cities due to thinking about needing employment there that would help my career. Now I could go to small town Alabama and it wouldn't matter.

Anyone have thoughts on a strategy or places, especially tier 2/3 ones?

A list in my head:

- Small town South Carolina
- Raleigh /Durham
- Minneapolis
- Boise
- Nebraska?
- Colombus, OH
- Indianapolis?

If I went abroad the options would almost be more limited due to wanting to spend the time to learn a culture, language, get to know if I like the kind of girls there enough so I would probably stay in one place longer.

With this U.S. deal the options are wide open. Hell I was thinking of going to Alaska or Hawaii a bit, I am serious though if I used this opportunity to use it as best I could, would be nice to find a nice American girl...

Not even sure what strategy to use as far as time... try a city or small town for a week? A month?

[PapayaTapper]

(02-28-2017 08:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

So I may have the opportunity soon to work anywhere in the U.S. remotely for an extended period and be able to roam wherever. The company I work for has a strict policy against working abroad (even Canada) remotely because their lawyers tell them about the liability and they have had past problems with employees working abroad. They need a written plan to sign with HR of where I would be working from what dates for liability purposes I guess - though I am sure it could be changed a few a times. Though they want a rough outline at the very least.

I guess I can trying working abroad, if for someone reason it came out I was outside the U.S. it could mean being fired which I am weighing very carefully anyways.

The ability to travel in the U.S. is nice though, I haven't thought of the possibility until this opportunity came up.

Before when looking at places in the U.S. to find a LTR girl I always thought of cities due to thinking about needing employment there that would help my career. Now I could go to small town Alabama and it wouldn't matter.

Anyone have thoughts on a strategy or places, especially tier 2/3 ones?

A list in my head:

- Small town South Carolina
- Raleigh /Durham
- Minneapolis
- Boise
- Nebraska?
- Colombus, OH

If I went abroad the options would almost be more limited due to wanting to spend the time to learn a culture, language, get to know if I like the kind of girls there enough so I would probably stay in one place longer.

With this U.S. deal the options are wide open. Hell I was thinking of going to Alaska or Hawaii a bit, I am serious though if I used this opportunity to use it as best I could, would be nice to find a nice American girl...

Not even sure what strategy to use as far as time... try a city or small town for a week? A month?

1) Atlanta might be good for a short term: Your game and style would give you enough of an "exotic" factor there you'd do well. ATL has always ranked high on the "most attractive women is US" surveys and there's still some remnant of the conservative southern values...you just might find a southern belle gem

2)Atlantic Beach FL (Just outside Jacksonville) Same as above but smaller more focused upscale area Added benefit that even if you don't find a wife at least you'll have access to warm water fun

[stpete]

(02-28-2017 08:44 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

So I may have the opportunity soon to work anywhere in the U.S. remotely for an extended period and be able to roam wherever. The company I work for has a strict policy against working abroad (even Canada) remotely because their lawyers tell them about the liability and they have had past problems with employees working abroad. They need a written plan to sign with HR of where I would be working from what dates for liability purposes I guess - though I am sure it could be changed a few a times. Though they want a rough outline at the very least.

I guess I can trying working abroad, if for someone reason it came out I was outside the U.S. it could mean being fired which I am weighing very carefully anyways.

The ability to travel in the U.S. is nice though, I haven't thought of the possibility until this opportunity came up.

Before when looking at places in the U.S. to find a LTR girl I always thought of cities due to thinking about needing employment there that would help my career. Now I could go to small town Alabama and it wouldn't matter.

Anyone have thoughts on a strategy or places, especially tier 2/3 ones?

A list in my head:

- Small town South Carolina
- Raleigh /Durham
- Minneapolis
- Boise
- Nebraska?
- Colombus, OH

If I went abroad the options would almost be more limited due to wanting to spend the time to learn a culture, language, get to know if I like the kind of girls there enough so I would probably stay in one place longer.

With this U.S. deal the options are wide open. Hell I was thinking of going to Alaska or Hawaii a bit, I am serious though if I used this opportunity to use it as best I could, would be nice to find a nice American girl...

Not even sure what strategy to use as far as time... try a city or small town for a week? A month?

1) Atlanta might be good for a short term: Your game and style would give you enough of an "exotic" factor there you'd do well. ATL has always ranked high on the "most attractive women is US" surveys and there's still some remnant of the conservative southern values...you just might find a southern belle gem

2)Atlantic Beach FL (Just outside Jacksonville) Same as above but smaller more focused upscale area Added benefit that even if you don't find a wife at least you'll have access to warm water fun

I have been to Atlantic Beach and like that area along with Fernindina too. I also lived in Amelia Island which is nice. Great women in all these places but might be too small. One of my favorite places is just down from Atlantic Beach a hidden gem of Jax Beach.

Atlanta - I just met a guy in a restaurant recently that moved to my town from Atlanta. He got an insurance settlement and said the first thing he did was move out of Atlanta to where I live. He said it is really gotten bad there. Atlanta used to be the place to move if you were young and wanted a start in the late 80's and 90's now it is Raleigh / Durahm.

I was just confirming this with a cousin in SC that was telling me Atlanta has gone bad. He was explaining that it was the worst example of how a city has been set up. Places like Raleigh/Durahm and Charlotte are looking at Atlanta as what not to do.

Raleigh /Durham - is great. I have family that live there and love it.

South Carolina - I have family all over and lived there too. For South Carolina I'd give serious thought to the Charleston area. I had a girlfriend that lived there. The reason I'd pick Charleston is because it is one city where I believe you can live downtown. Greenville/Spartanburg is spread out.

Greenwood, SC. Of course if you want a true small southern town with great women and some great guys I'd pick Greenwood, SC. You'll make friends for life and some beautiful traditional women.

I'm sure you will get all kinds of opinons since you've put it out there. I would treat it like you have going abroad and discovered Vietanam.

Visit a few different places but be sure and also give it time. I think you'll have a great time. The places you like may surprise you.

[Travesty]

Papapayayaya thanks for the suggestions.

Though I have to reject you like LeBron on the counter faster break glass slap.

I have just heard too many votes against Atlanta from too many people overtime. And for Florida, I have read too many bad things about Jacksonville from both RVF and from the internet in general (the beach areas also, and they seem very small). And it's Florida, I don't really trust any girl that lives inside those imaginary lines. The place just has a hex on it.

I think the itinerary lining up would be:

-> Charleston, SC
-> Side trip to small town SC (Greenwood!)
-> Raleigh/Durham
-> Colombus, OH
-> Minneapolis
-> Boise

If anyone has smaller towns they think are worth quick drive (less than 4 hours) from any of these stops as a side trip please let me know.

As a side note I am going to 3 different churches this weekend. Been to one previously - testing out different places. Made a bunch of phone calls to narrow it

If this doesn't work out guys I am going to master Spanish, Russian, & Mandarin and only bang girls with major slut face for the rest of my life.

[Kid Twist]

I posted similarly on a thread about wedding knots, wondering if people in churches (traditional, and let's say in America as Travesty points out) are influenced by what others have called the northern or western european culture of closer age matches of male and female. That is, it seems obvious biologically to me and of course you all here that we as men in our 30s would rather be with 20-somethings, but I feel like the culture tells everyone these days that the younger ones are not even on our radar (or perhaps that they shouldn't be). As an example, I was told about how a priest thought about me when he met another girl in some probably church related capacity. The kicker, the person (a mom I've known a long time) reported it as the thinking was "they're the same age" [not sure if he said that or she editorialized it]

I laughed internally. Are they oblivious as to the obvious biological realities of just how bad a mid or late 30s woman seems to a man? I find it both funny and sad, just wanna know if this is the sorta thing people [in the USA] just don't think about ... at all.

[Travesty]

Went to an Orthodox service, my first ever.

Lots of bowing and making signs of the cross.
Art is more cartoony than Catholic art.
Chanting, and more chanting.
Half the women wear head scarves so you can't tell how attractive (hair which is big for me) they like to keep themselves day to day.
The names Jesus and Mary are almost never mentioned it's all about God.

The strange thing everyone kisses holy pictures on podiums and lined up to kiss the priest's cross then his closed fist holding the cross like a one-two punch, then lined up kiss large regilious scene art portraits on the altar.

I don't know the everyone sip from the same wine chalice as a Catholic got to me, this.

Also can't forget the bow-then-touch-the-ground multiple times gesture.

No wonder Orthodox ceremonies aren't shown in movies or TV as often as Catholic ones, it looks a little silly in comparison and doesn't have as deep of a seriousness to it.

The music directory that returned my call told me this was the best intro time to show up.

Less than 30 people total, 1 bangable girl.

After the service the people were very friendly.

[The Beast1]

(03-18-2017 09:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Went to an Orthodox service, my first ever.

Lots of bowing and making signs of the cross.
Art is more cartoony than Catholic art.
Chanting, and more chanting.
Half the women wear head scarves so you can't tell how attractive (hair which is big for me) they like to keep themselves day to day.
The names Jesus and Mary are almost never mentioned it's all about God.

The strange thing everyone kisses holy pictures on podiums and lined up to kiss the priest's cross then his closed fist holding the cross like a one-two punch, then lined up kiss large regilious scene art portraits on the altar.

I don't know the everyone sip from the same wine chalice as a Catholic got to me, this.

Also can't forget the bow-then-touch-the-ground multiple times gesture.

No wonder Orthodox ceremonies aren't shown in movies or TV as often as Catholic ones, it looks a little silly in comparison and doesn't have as deep of a seriousness to it.

The music directory that returned my call told me this was the best intro time to show up.

Less than 30 people total, 1 bangable girl.

After the service the people were very friendly.

Do you actually believe what is being taught? Do you really truly have a genuine curiosity to understand the lessons and even the traditions of why everyone acts the way that they do? Did you take the time to read up on how the orthodox service works?

Or are you just trying to find a wife?

If it's the latter of the two, my friend you're putting the cart before the horse. People can sense your true motives a mile away and everyone will keep you at arms length. You'll never get what it is you seek and frankly the way you chose to describe the service belays the fact that you're not interested in seeking a spiritual union with Christ but to satisfy carnal desires that you think will elevate you somehow.

From how it sounds, this doesn't look like the right church or community for you. Why don't you consider looking into faiths that follow or are similar to the Catholic liturgy. Just make sure they do not allow gay marriages, look down on premarital sex, and disallow female clergy. That's all there is to it.

[BetaNoMore]

(03-19-2017 12:17 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(03-18-2017 09:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Went to an Orthodox service, my first ever.

Lots of bowing and making signs of the cross.
Art is more cartoony than Catholic art.
Chanting, and more chanting.
Half the women wear head scarves so you can't tell how attractive (hair which is big for me) they like to keep themselves day to day.
The names Jesus and Mary are almost never mentioned it's all about God.

The strange thing everyone kisses holy pictures on podiums and lined up to kiss the priest's cross then his closed fist holding the cross like a one-two punch, then lined up kiss large regilious scene art portraits on the altar.

I don't know the everyone sip from the same wine chalice as a Catholic got to me, this.

Also can't forget the bow-then-touch-the-ground multiple times gesture.

No wonder Orthodox ceremonies aren't shown in movies or TV as often as Catholic ones, it looks a little silly in comparison and doesn't have as deep of a seriousness to it.

The music directory that returned my call told me this was the best intro time to show up.

Less than 30 people total, 1 bangable girl.

After the service the people were very friendly.

Do you actually believe what is being taught? Do you really truly have a genuine curiosity to understand the lessons and even the traditions of why everyone acts the way that they do? Did you take the time to read up on how the orthodox service works?

Or are you just trying to find a wife?

If it's the latter of the two, my friend you're putting the cart before the horse. People can sense your true motives a mile away and everyone will keep you at arms length. You'll never get what it is you seek and frankly the way you chose to describe the service belays the fact that you're not interested in seeking a spiritual union with Christ but to satisfy carnal desires that you think will elevate you somehow.

From how it sounds, this doesn't look like the right church or community for you. Why don't you consider looking into faiths that follow or are similar to the Catholic liturgy. Just make sure they do not allow gay marriages, look down on premarital sex, and disallow female clergy. That's all there is to it.

[Rocha]

(03-18-2017 09:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Went to an Orthodox service, my first ever.

Lots of bowing and making signs of the cross.
Art is more cartoony than Catholic art.
Chanting, and more chanting.
Half the women wear head scarves so you can't tell how attractive (hair which is big for me) they like to keep themselves day to day.
The names Jesus and Mary are almost never mentioned it's all about God.

The strange thing everyone kisses holy pictures on podiums and lined up to kiss the priest's cross then his closed fist holding the cross like a one-two punch, then lined up kiss large regilious scene art portraits on the altar.

I don't know the everyone sip from the same wine chalice as a Catholic got to me, this.

Also can't forget the bow-then-touch-the-ground multiple times gesture.

No wonder Orthodox ceremonies aren't shown in movies or TV as often as Catholic ones, it looks a little silly in comparison and doesn't have as deep of a seriousness to it.

The music directory that returned my call told me this was the best intro time to show up.

Less than 30 people total, 1 bangable girl.

After the service the people were very friendly.

I have an orthodox church just 10 minutes walking from my home. Only the worst specimen of the Slavic community go there, mostly western Ukrainians, street whores and drunkards, and street whores drunkards... some years ago I had the bad idea of taking there a Lithuanian chick (of Russian background) and she was shocked by the quantity of (holy) red wine these people drank on the Sunday morning ceremony.

[Travesty]

One thing that has changed a little bit in the last while from pushing my fitness, posture, wardrobe, and voice to a different level is that I have noticed more guys with their girls give me dirty looks.

Before I could just catch girls giving me a look with their boyfriend there, now these looks especially come from guys that seem outward confident with their chick til see me as direct competition that is edging them out.

It's a strange feeling. Same exact thing hot girls complain about with any guy's girlfriend they are near sour facing 'em.

[idane]

Admitted, I did not read all replies, but something worth considering:

Going for girls/women in big western cities who are not attached to their smartphone.

It might be a needle in a haystack but there are few. Such a girl has made an active choice of avoiding tinder, instagram, getting likes for new pictures on facebook etc. She is living in a society with an extreme social pressure where almost all girls are online all the time, yet she has the power to stay clear and focus on the better things in life. She has already been conditioned for years in a big city and is now fighting back.

If you find a nice rural church girl (maybe small town america), a nice russian girl, a lovely philippine girl and bring her back to your big city, there is a very big chance that she cannot withstand the social pressure and you will have a girl who is sitting on her phone all day long.

So you could say that the girl in part 1 did all the hard work for you. The girl from part 2 can be a pure lottery game.

L

[Slam]

(03-19-2017 10:00 AM)idane Wrote:  

Going for girls/women in big western cities who are not attached to their smartphone.

Good thought, but do these even exist?

This type of girl is getting rarer and rarer, and if a girl is semi-attractive, she has been on instagram getting attention and inflating her ego since highschool. The dopamine hits she gets from people liking and following her affected her brain development. She's hooked.

I'm a bit pessimistic about the post-smart phone world. I do think you can find a conscientious, sincere Christian girl from good parents who is not as attached to her smart phone. But again, SO rare.

It's almost depressing to think about the whole situation.

[Vaun]

First off I dont believe that only "good girls" go to church. From personal experience I know it to be the opposite. Many of the single women that go to church, lets say over the age 23, are there for atonement. Atonement most likely from the carousel, and highly irresponsible behavior. If shes not sitting in church because she attends out of a family obligation, its most likely because she thinks of herself as an awful person. To me not marriage material.

So taking church off the list, lets just start by saying the most highly quality woman you can ever have in your life, is one that is deeply and madly in love with you. One that gives up her life, for yours. Even if she works, has a career, etc. The most high quality you can ever wish to have, treats you as her man, like the king you want to be treated as. With no doubt in your mind, she is professing undying love for you, and you in turn, are giving her what she needs to keep feeling that way. Its a two way proposition, you behave correctly and treat her with affection, respect and romance, and she in turn makes your life happy.

But lets say you are looking for the one. The one with the most favorable traits for future success. Aside from what I said above, about how much in love she is with you, by how well she is treating you and showing you consistently, I dont think any women is safe these days. I dont think you are more likely to find a more puritan girl in Columbus, OH, the Philippines, Russia, or Brazil. I think every area, town, city, village, rural area, in the world, has the same potential for you to meet a bad person. That was partially true in the past, more so now with social media.

To me what I am looking for is an amused observer. A girl that might have a few slutty friends that she went to school with, and they party sometimes, but she is the one that goes home at night and maybe drives them home. She knows whats out there, but most likely from her upbringing, she has an innate predilection toward self protection. She'll be tough to pin down, until she falls in love with you, then you wont be able to shake her. She's modern, dresses well, fit and healthy, at times athletic but doesn't make that her existence. 750+ credit score, no or very limited debt. I stopped asking about notch count years ago, it seems like a juvenile concern and you can usually tell quickly if she is a raging slut. Women usually spill the beans on that quickly. She's not easily amused or interested in going through with exploring her potential as a sex worker, or eat/pray/love idiot. She highly protects herself, from everyone, not just men. She's not dumb, or risky, but has a really big heart and shows it to the right man. She's social and has a lot of friends. She may have dated some losers, but haven't we all. I fully expect any women I get with like this to have just a few orbiters and suitors. A woman without one is strange. But how she handles that, is what sets her apart. In short, a girl with her eyes open in a world of trash, but strong enough and smart enough to protect her virtues and innermost gifts.

[Travesty]

^ I've known chaste church girls and unchaste. Been doing this shit since Catholic school in kindergarten.

The the most common theme of unchaste girls in church are having slutty friends in their life (that almost unanimously don't attend church and nudge them into promiscuity).

[Travesty]

Also noticed a trend of guys that are late 30s or older that live in tier 1 cities... NYC, LA, Toronto etc... and have made a large investment in those cities with no plan to leave that start throwing out that it doesn't matter where you are chances are the same, some slutty friends are okay and so on.

Realize though this is from a perspective that is somewhat forced by self-chosen lifestyle design and it is blatantly obvious to those not living that lifestyle.

[Vaun]

(03-19-2017 02:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Also noticed a trend of guys that are late 30s or older that live in tier 1 cities... NYC, LA, Toronto etc... and have made a large investment in those cities with no plan to leave that start throwing out that it doesn't matter where you are chances are the same, some slutty friends are okay and so on.

Realize though this is from a perspective that is somewhat forced by self-chosen lifestyle design and it is blatantly obvious to those not living that lifestyle.

What if you grew up in one of these "puritanical" locations, and know completely otherwise. Lets take Columbus for instance. This is whats going on there now. Its easy to make assumptions that them there fly over folk are pure as snow.

Women aren't any better in these locations. Columbus for instance is tons of fun for a player and college kid, has an intense city wide ingrained party culture, and is now facing a massive opiate epidemic. Hell, thats all of Ohio now. Mormon women and moving to Utah may be the only place in the US you could make that assumption. But then you would have to go all in and become a Mormon.

All I am saying is good women exist everywhere. Finding them is the issue.

[Oilrig]

I think the difference in church girls is their frequency of going to church. If they've gone to church everyday Sunday for years and never miss mass, then they're likely a good chaste girl you want to marry. If they go infrequently or are looking to get back in the church, then they're like the aforementioned party sluts that have partied and slept around and are looking for atonement for their sins.

I've met a lot of the latter girls. Party sluts that grew up going to church with their parents, but once they hit college started partying and sleeping around a lot. Once they hit their late 20s they realize they have to chill out to attract a quality suitor, so they go back to church to give the appearance that they're a good girl. I see right through these girls!

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

As it turns out, I'm tentatively starting to go down this path as well to see what I can find. I've started attending services at a small Orthodox Church nearby (it's somewhat easier for me since I'm already baptised in the Orthodox faith from my youth, even if I haven't been going much, if at all, for many years up until now.)

First impressions:

- The parish is tiny, no more than about 30 or so regular attendees. The demographics are somewhat peculiar as well - while there's a plurality of Russians who attend, it also includes a large number of other Slavic ethnicities, as well as Western converts. As for age, it's saddle-shaped - there's a lot of older people and married couples, and a lot of <10 children/toddlers. They're desperate for young students/professionals like myself. (Probably why they couldn't have been more welcoming towards me as of now.)

- Many of the young women who attend are already married with children (naturally.) So far I've met two (presumably single) young females, both studying classics at a local university (one who came from Russia a few years ago, the other a local convert.) Both very polite, if somewhat reserved. There's a good number of Russian women who appear to attend infrequently, but it seems they all are married with children already.

I'm also starting to look at attending events at a Russian Society run at one of the universities here - and there's a big pro-life march also taking place in a couple months here as well that I might look into. We'll see how it goes.

[The Breeze]

Hey Travesty,


Thought I might throw in a couple ideas too...

Almost every guy has either been ON this journey, has contemplated it, and for
the younger guys, it is in their futures. That said, you already have done tons of
the work, and I look forward to how you progress.

OK.. The ideas. Since you are looking in some more rural areas, this is where I
would seriously look for the farmer's daughter type girls. Girls who grow up on
a farm, and around animals, and their lives are involved with growing food, raising
animals, etc..

ALL good targets! So, nearly every town has the weekend Farmer's Markets. And guess
who is there, selling daddy's corn, tomatoes, and strawberries? Same idea is when
there is a local rodeo of some kind. Chicks who ride? Hell yea!!!!

Girls who are around animals, will also visit the local feed and tack stores. Not an everyday place to go, but keep it on your radar. I have seen lots of possible fits
from being at a Veterinarian's office. These girls lots of time are Vet Techs.

Anyways.. Not the holy Grail by any means. But just another arrow for your quiver.

Good luck man!!

[Travesty]

I think you are dead wrong about vet techs or vets.

I'll keep the Farmer's Market idea in mind. My only concern is I am the average RVF'er in the sense we are mostly a coastal US metropolitan bunch. I am not a ranch hand dude, or a lifted truck driver, or any of that. I'd rather walk everywhere, play music & sports. What I am saying is if I met a rural girl unless she is into city guys which most of the conservative ones don't seem to be, it would be a tough fit. Who knows though I will report back on how I feel in small town America if I make it there soon.

Maybe the worst of all professions for a woman. Cares more about animals than humans because she think animals are better than humans.

Banged a vet student and had a vet tech roommate. Both nice on the outside. Batshit once you get to know them. They have co-dependency and abandonment issues galore. We joke about girls with cats or large dogs to replace men, that is doing it for a damned living til retirement.

Girls that love horses - also a nightmare, bigger the animal the worse. The vet student was a horse fanatic (bred race horses) & the other was a crazy tomboy college student.

If a girl could own a bull elephant, rhino, tiger, or dinosaur that would be the worst.

[idane]

(03-19-2017 10:42 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Girls that love horses - also a nightmare, bigger the animal the worse. The vet student was a horse fanatic (bred race horses) & the other was a crazy tomboy college student.

I can confirm the statement on horses based on multiple discussions with men involved with girls owning horses or male horse owners. Without generalizing:

1. No matter what, the horse(es) will be the most important things in her life. More important than her husband and children. Most of her weekends and holidays will evolve around the horses, going to shows/competition. She will need a big truck with the towing capacity of pulling a large trailer.
2. Unlike children, the horses need constant attention 24/7. If there is a problem with the horse she will get up in the midde of night to take care of it. She will even call in sick at her job if necessary.
3. Unless she is rich or has a rich daddy, you are likely to get broke or become a slave of paying all the bills for owning horses. Owing a horse is extremely expensive. Just making a phone call to a vet can set you back several hundred dollars. Even a saddle can cost more than a horse itself because it is hand crafted. A male horse owner once told me: If you cannot afford having 10000 dollars in cash under the pillow or in the bank (no loan) then dont even think about owning a horse - this is how expensive vet bills are (and this also applies for girls who just got their first horse).

I think it is OK to have hobbies, but unless you love horses or are a horse owner yourself, dont do it. The costs, care and attention for those animals is waaay out of proportion.