[The Breeze]

Fair enough brother... I was only basing my ideas on what you
posted below. ALL of those places have farm type, rural type girls
in close proximity.

You are probably right about the majority of Vet, Vet Tech chicks.
Guess I've just been lucky and known a couple off the hook Vets
who were Fa-REEK-EE!

Rock on Travesty!!

(03-17-2017 12:34 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

I think the itinerary lining up would be:

-> Charleston, SC
-> Side trip to small town SC (Greenwood!)
-> Raleigh/Durham
-> Colombus, OH
-> Minneapolis
-> Boise

If anyone has smaller towns they think are worth quick drive (less than 4 hours) from any of these stops as a side trip please let me know.

[Lime]

Travesty, interesting remark it seems but I dont seem tobget what you mean with the lifestyle. Is being a 30/40 something in those tier 1 cities a bad thing? Which can be mitigated with plans to leave or having a sick lifestyle (social circle) in those cities?

[Travesty]

^

If you are:

+ late 30s or older
+ no kids or wife (or divorced)
+ choosing to live in Anglo country in a Tier 1 city

It adds up the man has made choices that settling down was most likely never the top priority in life. The man in question is probably heavily career or $ oriented meaning it will be harder for him to leave a life he has probably invested heavily in. After living in a Tier 1 for so long it would also be harder for him to "step down" to a smaller lifestyle due to options in a Tier 1. Part of those options are the women for an older single man. Those options though are more often than not career, trustfund, or ex party-girl/serial monogamist chicks.

These guys can't see an exit to this lifestyle because anything else is a risked downgrade in their perception, which points to the fact they probably aren't willing to sacrifice for the best LTR possible like a chick won't give up her cats. So they will do any mental gymnastics possible to defend that they or anyone else has the same chances at finding a quality LTR girl.

They also change the goal posts constantly of what a quality LTR really is based on their life circumstances.

Here's a common logic ladder from their point of view:

"Lol you think you will find your virgin snowflake?"
"You want to live in some 3rd world shit hole just for the women? (Absurb absolute)"
"You think if you get a girl that young, it will be any different than any other woman? Women are all women"
"How's that working out for ya?"
"Just wait, she will not know what she wants and will want to try different options eventually like any other chick"
"I married a good girl & guess what? Didn't work out! There is no surefire way!"
"I don't care how many guys she has been with it depends on her age, life circumstances, how ready she is to settle down"
"A girl with some slutty friends is fine, as long as she lives her own life"

And you know it just devolves from there. It is a light permanent jading, there is some salt in the air.

What I am saying is there is an odds spectrum of choosing to live in a place and live a lifestyle and how that affects the chances of finding the highest quality LTR possible. After my experiences of hanging out in Tier 1's, my friends and family that have relationships in Tier 1's, and the collective wisdom here, the odds spectrum isn't nearly as good as it could be.

My mindset is 3-5 years of "sacrifice" is worth it when it will be a 30+ year life investment and hopefully a life partner that stands with you during all the lowest valleys of life.

[ball dont lie]

Bravo Travesty


*clapping gif* I'm lazy

I moved to a Tier one city in China recently and while I have finally started meeting a lot more women through new hobbies, most of the women appear to be career women who put carousel cock riding and going up the corporate ladder WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ahead of starting a family with a good man.

As a result, of course my obvious choice is to try to bang these girls. But that's not what Im really about now at nearly 36 years old. I'm looking for wife material, 25 and under, doesn't care about career, is wifey and motherly. But Tier 1 cities don't produce many girls like this, especially good looking girls have way too many options with hot guys with money who want to fuck good looking girls. All she does is put out her hand and its there: nice hotels, parties, good food, fancy bars, shopping. Why would she stop that unless she has some primal urge for a family, but she can easily delude herself that Alpha dude with money actually really wants to settle down with her, not just fuck her occasionally.

[Travesty]

Went to a few religious services recently. Getting some looks, talking to some people. Favorite part was a girl with Downs syndrome singing way off pitch and dancing like she was on spring break when no one else was, made the service.

Also attended a singing group. A young 6 there successfully made an implied big dick joke, said the word fuck multiple times, and attention whored with beta orbiter paired-selfies. Oh young American women...

She tried approaching & hitting on me twice, wasn't having it.

Have a lot of options coming up depending if I can and do decide to tour the US a bit, my upcoming trip to Romania & Serbia, also how much effort to place into social circle here if I am upping the stakes soon (still believe it is good practice to get into a certain lifestyle mode).

[Travesty]

Had an interesting night out the other night, it was to spend time with friends.

My friend had a 30s (probably an 8 in earlier days) yoga instructor woman friend we pre gamed with. Classic lived in NYC carousel desperation towards the wall.

Later we met up with two girls mid 20s both borderline 8s and one of their I am guessing drug hook up boyfriends. I haven't been out nightlife in awhile and rarely the past year. I was pleased I broke the ice with myself quickly, danced had fun. One of the girls was a classic Scandanavian cold personality takes too much effort to get small smiles and laughs no matter who is talking. Other was a happa girls dressed very hot. She complimented what I was wearing, gave me some eyes, showed interest here and there. Matches same line for me as always I do way better with any Asian or mixed Asian than Scandi pretty guaranteed. A million selfies for these girls. At least they did group ones to get everyone involved. Of course the girls love some coke.

The points are I don't miss nightlife in America much even though I was rusty I could feel I am havig greater presence. I am also glad that I am at a point where hot girls don't blind me to judging their actions and personalities. I don't miss many of the girls that come with that scene.

The next morning I saw a girl I hooked up with quite awhile back walking to work, was proud to see how attractive she was in daylight before even recognizing her, she is of same cloth as the chicks I just mentioned though.

I am overall happy to be in a more zen mindset letting go, where I feel the world is reacting to me instead of the opposite.

[Travesty]

Missed an Orthodox service I wanted to attend, fine though. I am committed to hitting up multiple ones to get a clearer idea of what it really is. Did attend a different service though. Met a guy after that is similar age, his girlfriend got him to come back and start going to services recently. Seems like a really nice guy I'd easily hang out with. He gave me more options and tips.

One thing I am noticing after dealing with so many fuckers (women included) I am still trained to somewhat see niceness especially from men as either hiding something or I think of it as weakness. Not to say I haven't been humbled by underestimating "nice guys" that have shown their harder side or street smart side when needed.

It is something I have to work on to become more genuine. I am also much better than a few years ago about being more selfless with my time, though there are voices in the back of my head still whispering against a true commitment.

[BetaNoMore]

This is an interesting journey travesty. I will be watching with a keen eye and hope you succeed.

[Travesty]

Facebook gave me a notification asking me if I knew a girl I hooked up with a few Halloweens back - which is weird how FB stalks people's past. A hot blonde, still looking great, her eyes are a little nuts though.

On a different hand the first girl I hooked up with in SB was a yoga instructor in training (now a real one at a high end studio) from grocery store game. She had a phenomenal body, perfectly tanned would sunbathe nude in her backyard. Gave me a ton of shit tests - I was always miffed I never got enough sex and walked away from the teasing semi-psycho games. Of course her dad passed away in her youth, massive daddy issues. She loved coke and the sun. She was 22 when I met her now she is 25. I saw her in a club a year ago or so, it was dark, I was drunk, she looked like she massively aged. I thought my eyes deceived me.

Nope in her pictures now if you told me she was 33 I would believe you. Aging like potato skins left in the sun. Life comes at you fast. Habits are your destiny.

Some chicks ride it out well, others don't.

[pyro]

(09-21-2016 03:43 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

+ A girl in the 7+ range
+ Modest & humble
+ Family is together
+ Likes her dad and has a good relationship
+ No tattoos, body piercings, crazy hair, STDs, cigarettes
+ Small to non-existent sexual history
+ Small to non-existent drug and alcohol habits and history
+ Wants children and a family at some point in the next 3-5 years
+ No guy friends that are sexual threats

As a young, inexperienced guy who recently broke up with a girl like this, have I made a terrible mistake?

I grew up in a sheltered culture which promoted these kind of values (minus the 7+ factor) and so I guess I kind of took these traits for granted. Reading this thread I'm getting the sense that they're much harder to find outside of my bubble. I don't want to hijack your thread to talk about my relationship but this thread makes me want to seek advice - where would be the best place to post?

You also mentioned visiting Minneapolis - I lived there for two years in said bubble (whitewashed Christian private school), so I can PM you my experiences if that would be helpful to you at all.

[Travesty]

(03-27-2017 01:03 AM)pyro Wrote:  

As a young, inexperienced guy who recently broke up with a girl like this, have I made a terrible mistake?

It depends on a lot of factors pyro.

A big one for me was the math of realizing if I was 20 and found a cute, great 20 year old how will she age compared to me? How does her mom age?

I met a Boston business man the other night, rich guy with his wife at a music show. His wife may have been cute in her day... they are both mid 40s, now she isn't bangable at all and he is rich with a youthful soul. Now if his wife was 33 instead of 45 and not a blond white woman with bad aging genetics it would look like a totally different story.

I was sure I wanted that extra 10 years (with good aging genetics... older sisters, mom, aunt etc.. age well also) or so to have a strong sexual attraction to my future LTR therefore she would have to be younger.

Even then though who knows...

Sometimes I think it is best to have kids with an amazing personality 6, then get a pleasant separation once the kids are grown and go wild with hot girls, and stay great friends with her & talking about and hanging with your kids and grandkids together etc... best of both worlds.

Just have to go with your gut.

[Conquerer7]

I'm with a 7 currently who is 6 months younger and have thought of something very similar in line with Travestys' pleasant separation option. If it lasts I believe this is what I will go with or keep girls on the side.

[Travesty]

^ I don't think I'd have the heart to do girls on the side behind a woman's back that I go in 100% with at some point.

I think I would have to have an open conversation if the attraction faded, and see what option would be the best.

Hell sex robots may be invented by then, and also skin rejuvenation.

It is a strange time because we cannot forget what technology will be like 20 years in the future. Lots of variables.

[jselysianeagle]

(03-27-2017 12:23 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

She loved coke and the sun. She was 22 when I met her now she is 25. I saw her in a club a year ago or so, it was dark, I was drunk, she looked like she massively aged. I thought my eyes deceived me.

Nope in her pictures now if you told me she was 33 I would believe you. Aging like potato skins left in the sun. Life comes at you fast. Habits are your destiny.

Some chicks ride it out well, others don't.

This is so true man. The two things that can really fuck up women (and especially white women from what I've observed) in terms of graceful aging are years of exposure to the sun, and smoking.

That perfectly smooth tan looks fantastic on a hot bodied early 20s chic - I remember goin insane at the women in Manhattan Beach, California in summers past when I lived in LA. A decade later, though, and that sunstained suntanning really does a number on these chics...

And then there's smoking. That shit ages you fast. No smoker I know ever looked their age

[Player_1337]

(03-27-2017 01:03 AM)pyro Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 03:43 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

+ A girl in the 7+ range
+ Modest & humble
+ Family is together
+ Likes her dad and has a good relationship
+ No tattoos, body piercings, crazy hair, STDs, cigarettes
+ Small to non-existent sexual history
+ Small to non-existent drug and alcohol habits and history
+ Wants children and a family at some point in the next 3-5 years
+ No guy friends that are sexual threats

As a young, inexperienced guy who recently broke up with a girl like this, have I made a terrible mistake?

I grew up in a sheltered culture which promoted these kind of values (minus the 7+ factor) and so I guess I kind of took these traits for granted. Reading this thread I'm getting the sense that they're much harder to find outside of my bubble. I don't want to hijack your thread to talk about my relationship but this thread makes me want to seek advice - where would be the best place to post?

You also mentioned visiting Minneapolis - I lived there for two years in said bubble (whitewashed Christian private school), so I can PM you my experiences if that would be helpful to you at all.

My main meets all of the criteria (I've vetted her carefully), except for a tattoo and potentially not wanting children/being closer to her mother than her father. All the other pros included in that list have contributed to me staying with her. It's tough finding a girl with all these positive traits.

[Travesty]

Went to a few dance classes, not for the girls, my experience is dance classes is it is pretty bad for picking up girls in my area. Older women, bad ratios etc...

My biggest draw to dance (smooth Latin or Afro ones) is the feeling it gives me when I watch male instructors being extremely smooth with their bodies and forming a deep connection with the music. They also usually have amazing posture. Any man deep in the arts many times has a sort of Captain Jack Sparrow laissez-faire motions with their movements and they animate their voices more. Just expressing the range of life. All very important for game in general.

The way male instructors express their love for dance is magnetic and a way game should be expressed as a passion for interacting with women and people in everyday life. Women instructors dance, yoga or whatever for any reason are often a little nuts and neurotic.

I also think it is a nice conversation piece for girls in the toolbox (what have you been up to this week?), on top of that for good girls, not a bad move to give them a little beginner lesson on dates etc...

And finally incase this all doesn't work out I can invade Venezuela and use my powers for evil.

[Travesty]

Attending more religious services, doing more running for mayor, glad handing the religious leaders.

A lot of dogpile on things to join or invest in. I feel like a cat being sprayed with a water mist spray bottle. We'll see how this goes. My personality is fighting this inside, people often like me immediately, I hate joining most groups though. Even most of my friends in life have been one on one friends, any sort of "crews" I'd join on and off.

I am wondering let's say I magically met someone 10 years younger and through a religious community and I felt they were being flirty and I got to know them. What if I ask the chick to hang out and she blanks me and is just attention whoring... now if that got around a community like these I am not sure how my reputation would be altered. Strange variables like that always make me hesitant to invest in a community like these only to see it maybe spoiled by one bad shot.

I guess though still training to be ok with invest in a community is my biggest hurdle, and if it doesn't pay dividends here, somewhere else, especially abroad it very well may.

I am going to turn up the dial on my time investment soon, will see how this turns out.

I swear to God it doesn't matter church or not you meet almost any girl anywhere that is 25 or older and has not already been married or on the way to being married they just lose that twinkle and spirit in their eyes, that warm glow. Women need a man they love, admire, and are dedicated to in order to be genuinely happy, not the new age wine drunk happy.

[Slam]

(04-02-2017 11:42 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I swear to God it doesn't matter church or not you meet almost any girl anywhere that is 25 or older and has not already been married or on the way to being married they just lose that twinkle and spirit in their eyes, that warm glow. Women need a man they love, admire, and are dedicated to in order to be genuinely happy, not the new age wine drunk happy.

Totally. That twinkle of youth, innocence, and warmth is so valuable.

Once you start seeing it, you can't unsee it. And when you meet a girl that doesn't have it any more, it makes your heart sink.

[eskimobobseal]

If you're not into catholicism I highly recommend finding an Independent Fundamental Baptist church. They're super conservative and their women don't adhere to wordly careerism / you-go-girlism at all. I spoke to one girl to at my local church who said her dream is to take care of the home and serve her husband.

There's isn't much you'd have to "convert" to either. They believe salvation is by faith alone. Other than baptism, you won't need to go through any rituals or anything. All you'd be expected to do is act like a man and go to Church on Sundays and read your Bible once in a while (it's great literature).

[Disco_Volante]

I was originally a good catholic boy, I understand the premise of this thread, but the fact is once you turn into a player it's very difficult to go back to less degenerate behaviors. I like a girl I can occasionally roll up a joint with and she won't freak out. At some point you have to admit to yourself you like bad girls.
Going to weddings, taking pictures, double dates, all that shit seems boring as fuck to me. I'm not full blown Linux but as I get older I just see less and less value in women. Saying I genuinely love a girl is wrong because I don't. I like that she's young and hot and maybe is higher quality, it's like a business transaction. I would need heavy incentive to get married. I can't imagine a woman having claim to my time and money even if she's super high quality.
,

[Travesty]

^^
Watched some Fundamentalist Baptist videos. It seems to have a slant you should only be around other true believers. And everything is around keeping God happy. I have been to a few Evangelical services in the past. I don't like it. It paints the picture everything is about the individual's relationship with God which is above everything. Also it paints a narcissistic vision of both man and God.

I like that Catholicism at least in my lifetime has been focused on looking out for your brother and sister. God is there. He isn't painted out to be some narcissistic creep wanting you to be obsessed with him. Instead there is focus on making the world better while we are here. Reminding people to be caring and pleasant. I enjoy that.

My problem with the Evangelicals is they paint everything as a sappy love relationship with Jesus, or they paint God as the angry drunk in the corner you are walking on eggshells with so he doesn't explode. Not for me.

I do credit Evangelicals with laying down some red pill ideas constantly and the practical preaching. However I don't like the overall feeling, it doesn't feel spiritual to me at all.

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I was wondering if I visit the South and I like black chicks how it would be attending a black baptist church (feels like they are more laid back) in South Carolina or North Carolina.

Would I be looked at as nuts? Are there mixed race churches in the South? I like black chicks so if I was the white outsider from California it'd be interesting to see what would happen there.

May give one a shot, thanks for the tip.

[Travesty]

(04-04-2017 01:05 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

as I get older I just see less and less value in women

Good luck.

[Travesty]

I am not good at social circle game, I've never like the concept - so I've refused to learn the rules.

Met up at my first young professional religious meet up. Could have expected anywhere from 5-30 people. Bowling alley. Wasn't sure what to expect.

I arrived at the place early didn't know what the leader or group looked like. I paced the place and noticed a lone girl, looking younger college-aged. Dressed cute, no makeup, no hair coloring, no earrings. Just her in white top, white knee length skirt, black leggings, black boots. I was thinking damn if I wasn't about to meet this group I'd approach. I kept pacing, she also seemed lost. Well I couldn't stop myself I approached asking her if she was here for the same group.

She was. She was also like a nervous rabbit. Her handshake was like a piece of cardboard, her eyes were warm though. She was either extremely shy, or somewhat retarded. I was somewhat surprised she was in the group, my gut told me from walking around it would be small and probably older 25+...

The group ended up being two couples with a small kid each, me, the girl, and 30 something very nice - cat spinster.

I don't know if the girl is really nervous (she seemed like the ultra shy introverted type) or a tad autistic. Or just a little weird? Her outfit was well put together. Her eyes seemed completely normal. She just conversed in a strange rhythm.

I sat next to her on the bench most of the time and she definitely made eyes with me on her way back many rounds.

Naturally I had the highest score.

One guy asked if I wanted kids in front of her. Also he indirectly asked my age. This is a thing you'd never get in a normal group everyday Western peers in a first face to face meeting. It was a strange, yet natural experience. These people were normal and loved being around their kids. They wanted people to put things out on the table like family would.

Girl's parents are together. Has a brother seems like she likes. She's a somewhat local girl, a close drive to the parents. Good signs she isn't across the country being Ms. Independent. She works in education, also a good sign, not a careerist girl.

Most importantly, she was nice and agreeable. Even though she was extremely shy she helped push lulls in conversation and was listening to my answers. I didn't feel like I had to hide anything.

I liked the way she looked at me to check me out. It was cute & shy with some underlying sexiness, just the right amount.

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As we leave I ask her to join me for a religious service right after. I wasn't sure if she'd say yes. She had been born into it, hadn't been in a few years and was just back trying. I am in the same sort of boat.

She said yes in a way making me think 75% chance she'd show up. I didn't go for the number. For how shy and what I perceived as a little weird I wanted to use this as a compliance test for her to keep her word. There was an hour or so to spare. I asked what she was going to do between now and then. She said call her Dad. Good sign.

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She makes it to the service. We spotted each other within the first second of her walking in. Her first back in 3 years. It's a nice service, lots of people. Some girls check me out. Not sure if she noticed. I checked some girls out, not sure if she noticed.

I DHV'd by knowing people after my Running for Mayor work previously.

When we got out, I was thinking I would go for the number. She instead immediately asked about when the next service was, what time etc... in a way that said she wants to know when she is going to see me again. I get the number and see her last name. I tell her it's beautiful, it is. She tells me my last name is beautiful, it isn't. We say good bye, no touching feels wrong I give her the easy side hug, she seems happy. She isn't sure if she can meet me at a service next weekend she may be going home to visit the parents. Good sign.

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I feel pretty strange. Social circle like this never usually is made this easy. Sitting next a cute young girl on a bench. No cock blockers. No AMOGs. No friends listening in. It felt like a PG-rated blind date that was chaperoned by the neighborhood families.

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It felt nice sitting next to her. It felt nice not having to neg or agree and amplify anything. It felt nice feeling like someone was on my team the entire game.

Sad part of the game is I am at the point if we hung out together again and things got even better and towards the end of that second meeting she brought up that she has a struggling drug addict boyfriend, wouldn't phase me.

I'd just raise my hand to the sky to high five God for not losing the edge in His humor.

To give her credit, she never took out her phone, not once.

[idane]

(09-21-2016 03:43 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

+ A girl in the 7+ range
+ Modest & humble
+ Family is together
+ Likes her dad and has a good relationship
+ No tattoos, body piercings, crazy hair, STDs, cigarettes
+ Small to non-existent sexual history
+ Small to non-existent drug and alcohol habits and history
+ Wants children and a family at some point in the next 3-5 years
+ No guy friends that are sexual threats

Looking at your initial list: By the laws of probability the odds of finding this girl randomly in town is depressingly low. So you do the right thing of hunting in certain areas such as churches.

But have you ever considered muslim girls? I think most of them automatically fit most of the list. I know these girls practice islam to very different degrees and many dont wear hijabs, nicabs and burkas - especially those living in the West :-).

So the question is, if you find a muslim girl: What can you do to have a relationship with her as a (presumably) Christian man without getting into trouble with her family etc?

[Travesty]

Rent a very large truck?