Here are a few things I would add to the list:

+No debt, credit cards, student loans, mortgages
+750 plus credit score, credit score is character
+Naturally frugal and cautious with her money. Does not over spend
+Likes music, it doesn't have to be mine, but has favorite artists, and loves music
+Has a good education, bachelors degree minimum
+Regularly reads books
+Religious
+Large round breasts.

^ Do you believe in magic?

Travesty - some great posts my man.

I can tell you are very serious about your mission.

Very inspiring to say the least.

How religious are you?

I believe there is either an energy or power out there.

I think there are too many patterns, too many insane coincidences (us as the only life we know on this planet), surviving asteroids, the rules of physics and how rules tend to span across nature in one way or another.

I don't know if it is a simulation with an alien controlling it or a benevolent God.

I do however see that religion forms communities of genuine people where at least in some, material status & even social status in general is not very important and in fact most people dress somewhat plain and don't show off their money. People think doing works of charity is cool. Bragging is not cool. I see people loving their kids and not thinking I wish I traveled more.

So my answer is I genuinely feel the spirituality that comes with caring for your brother and sister and submitting to the fact we are mortals where either life or limb could be taken away any day makes you see more important things. As when you hear a person with a near death experience or fight with a terminal illness completely change their priorities. Whatever that energy is that surrounds these communities, I completely buy into.

Like guys come here to read up on Game and a red pill lifestyle as a sort of scripture and there are the equivalent of Bible study conversations, I can see the same benefit attending a religious community with people you like and reaping deep spiritual benefits of spending time with people where it seems like they would give you the shirt off their back if you were in a time of need. I know people on their own can find good friends like this. Though there is something to be said of a practicing community of hundreds of people doing this together.

Subscribed to enfolding church girl romance story

****After thinking about it some more I think this topic almost deserves its own thread, as RVFer's with experience going after inexperienced goals I think this is a pretty critical hurdle to get over, especially if your life-long friends and family know some of your wild history. I'm thinking the large majority of inexperienced girls would probably stay in the LTR if you have enough game, yet I could see resentment building up down the road and end in a lot of hissyfits, denied sex etc... making the relationship a big headache.

How would you guys frame a conversation about sexual pasts with a serious romantic interest that is very inexperienced in comparison (virgin - 2N)?

I actually had success just refusing to answer with a girl that wanted commitment while I knew her past, and she didn't seem to care - she actually thought it was a little funny I wouldn't share. That girl was already well on her way to becoming very promiscuous, so those girls would be either more neutral or even turned on that their Chad has had so much experience. I don't think this would work with a good girl. I think at some point they would want to know.

I have family members and friends that in the future I could see at some point pointing out my past maybe. Not a number or names, just that I used to get wild. It is the gossipy wives/girlfriends that have known me for awhile and probably heard some of my exploits through the grapevine from talking with my friends. They would at some point let the cat out of the bag.

My gut instinct is to massively lie and move past it, or hold the frame that I am the ultimate prize, lots of girls wanted me - of course I have a lot of experience by my age if I wasn't ready to be serious with a girl beforehand.

Options:
1) Never answer and say it isn't important
2) Lie low N like most girls do. Just say 3 girls or something very low
3) Come out and just say: I have a high sex drive and really love sex, women liked me, before you I wasn't even thinking about anything serious and I knew I had to sew my wild oats before I could give my entire heart to a serious relationship

I know there is something better than my options, would love to hear it!

I usually respond with "more than I'd like" and 99% of the time it never comes up again.

The best answer is "Hundreds", with a serious face, turning into a smile. If that doesn't suffice, then it's "thousands".

The day you take this question seriously from a woman, is the day you start the slow surrender of your balls.

I found myself setting up another religious service rendezvous with the girl I met at the church youth group bowling bananza.

She isn't much of a texter. Maybe she is just mirroring me, I find less desire to text the older I get. I played it normally, wait a few days after our first meeting, couple texts, seal it.

I sat in nearly the same seat as last time. It gives me the best view of the crowd and them of me. I was dressed custom linen blazer down, custom linen shirt down, dope Italian shoes. Wait for it...

Contrasting pocketsquare purchased in Hoi An, Vietnam. So was the custom light gear. Everything stand up steamed beforehand. Highly recommend keeping a stand up portable clothing steamer next to your closest. Even works on suede shoes. I still believe Jesus himself invented it.

I was the best dressed attendee. One very seasoned man wore a dark suit with a fly pink button down. No pocket square. He recognized.

A nice guy, somewhat dorky like most truly good guys are tried to compete with a pink bowtie and a suit sitting next to his girlfriend. He spotted me. His girlfriend spotted me. Their expression told me who clearly trained up who.

Quite a few good looking young women in dresses. Still I won the thread battle by a large margin. Funny some girls wear crop tops and backless outfits to such a holy celebration.

The mood was good, the weather was perfect. People seemed happy. I was happy. This was genuine. You saw couples and families growing together through life. The religious leader isn't is pussy, he's a man. With a man's voice. He looks over his flock in pride, especially in 2017.

I saved her a seat like a gentleman. She found me easily, she was early. She was dressed appropriately. No gaudy shows of skin, just because the weather is nice. Fashionably cute, again no make up, just her. We had some chit chat, not much time. I compliment her dress top thing, she nervously compliments my blazer mistakenly calling it a shirt. I held frame and didn't correct her... this time.

Before the service an elderly man in his last years on my other side struck up conversation. The usual conversation for an elderly opener. He had it mastered. During the service I found myself making and getting eyes from a few girls and some guys (admirers & haters) in the church. Though I was really enjoying the service and didn't pay the eyes much attention, I did want to start remembering the important faces though.

During the service the old man had a hard time standing and his elderly wife couldn't do it alone. He had a cane. I helped shoulder up his left side, and put my hand over his during a joint prayer. It felt good to help a nice man in his last years at a beautiful service.

We planned to have smoothies after. During our walk she revealed she got into a minor car bump in a parking lot with another woman. Women. Anyways, she was shook from it, not sure how bad it was... She however wanted to take a little break from driving and took a Lyft to the service.
She does seem the extremely shy, anxious type. Not sure to think of it as good she took the extra effort to see me, or bad that something that small shook her.... I offer to drive her home after and she's good with that.

More pleasant chit chat as we walked, just the usual, sharing what we like to do around town. I told her she looks fit and dug for her workout routine. Was she naturally this skinny? Or did she have some discipline. She likes the gym, some hot yoga, and maybe ballet soon. Good answers.

Asked her about her drinking habits, she doesn't drink. Good answer. I commend her for that. I think girls like this get self-concious when you ask them about doing "cool kid" things and they don't, they like hearing you think how they live is cool. She doesn't need to be harassed. Yet.

Asked about her school, she attended a small religious school growing up and loved the community. Good answer.

I haven't quizzed her on cooking. Some other time.

We sat and I shared some dance videos I was interested in, spoke about music. Self expression. Her best friend is a girl, in grad school for math, reads math text books for fun.

She sat hip to hip with me as I was showing her a Kizomba video. Then I went into to show her how close partners dance, chest to chest. She liked that. I thought about going for the kiss, broad daylight, street corner. God chooses to sub in a crazy old homeless guy off the bench on some sort of recumbent bike wheelchair came along us. The moment didn't feel as smooth for it.

We still touched, we were talking about grandparents. Who's alive, who we talk to. I still wanted to kiss her, I thought when dropping her off would make it easier on her than out in public.

On the drive back she complimented my car and she gave me directions to her place. It was a shiny breezy afternoon. I told her this isn't how it usually is, turned my 6-speed stick to sport mode, down-shifted, started weaving in the lane like a drunken Bowser in Mario Kart. She liked that.

Ironically I leave to Romania & Serbia a few weeks to look for someone like her. Maybe she'll be outclassed. She knows about the trip. I say we should do something when I get back, I'll send her some pictures.

I stop the car infront of her place. Undo my seatbelt reflexively always to have the most leeway. She feels the tension and backs up little bit like a scared Bambi. She has an easy & open body language. In these seconds I just have learned to listen to my gut. A strong make out didn't feel right yet. I leaned into her space. I could feel she knew I wanted to and was planning on being aggressive. I felt she wanted to get to know me better and was just starting to get comfortable having me in her personal space. I embraced her and kiss her on the cheek, she liked it. She seemed a little giddy trying to figure out how to get out of the car. I sat calmly back with a smile and showed her how.

Once past the front of my car she turned around to wave goodbye with that very demure, genuine, & somehow with a coloring of raw sexuality look she had given me before in the bowling alley a few times. Locked eye contact for that split second full expressing her feelings towards me.

This and for other reasons, has been the strangest month of my entire life.

Quote: (04-18-2017 08:08 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I found myself setting up another religious service rendezvous with the girl I met at the church youth group bowling bananza.

She isn't much of a texter. Maybe she is just mirroring me, I find less desire to text the older I get. I played it normally, wait a few days after our first meeting, couple texts, seal it.

I sat in nearly the same seat as last time. It gives me the best view of the crowd and them of me. I was dressed custom linen blazer down, custom linen shirt down, dope Italian shoes. Wait for it...

Contrasting pocketsquare purchased in Hoi An, Vietnam. So was the custom light gear. Everything stand up steamed beforehand. Highly recommend keeping a stand up portable clothing steamer next to your closest. Even works on suede shoes. I still believe Jesus himself invented it.

I was the best dressed attendee. One very seasoned man wore a dark suit with a fly pink button down. No pocket square. He recognized.

A nice guy, somewhat dorky like most truly good guys are tried to compete with a pink bowtie and a suit sitting next to his girlfriend. He spotted me. His girlfriend spotted me. Their expression told me who clearly trained up who.

Quite a few good looking young women in dresses. Still I won the thread battle by a large margin. Funny some girls wear crop tops and backless outfits to such a holy celebration.

The mood was good, the weather was perfect. People seemed happy. I was happy. This was genuine. You saw couples and families growing together through life. The religious leader isn't is pussy, he's a man. With a man's voice. He looks over his flock in pride, especially in 2017.

I saved her a seat like a gentleman. She found me easily, she was early. She was dressed appropriately. No gaudy shows of skin, just because the weather is nice. Fashionably cute, again no make up, just her. We had some chit chat, not much time. I compliment her dress top thing, she nervously compliments my blazer mistakenly calling it a shirt. I held frame and didn't correct her... this time.

Before the service an elderly man in his last years on my other side struck up conversation. The usual conversation for an elderly opener. He had it mastered. During the service I found myself making and getting eyes from a few girls and some guys (admirers & haters) in the church. Though I was really enjoying the service and didn't pay the eyes much attention, I did want to start remembering the important faces though.

During the service the old man had a hard time standing and his elderly wife couldn't do it alone. He had a cane. I helped shoulder up his left side, and put my hand over his during a joint prayer. It felt good to help a nice man in his last years at a beautiful service.

We planned to have smoothies after. During our walk she revealed she got into a minor car bump in a parking lot with another woman. Women. Anyways, she was shook from it, not sure how bad it was... She however wanted to take a little break from driving and took a Lyft to the service.
She does seem the extremely shy, anxious type. Not sure to think of it as good she took the extra effort to see me, or bad that something that small shook her.... I offer to drive her home after and she's good with that.

More pleasant chit chat as we walked, just the usual, sharing what we like to do around town. I told her she looks fit and dug for her workout routine. Was she naturally this skinny? Or did she have some discipline. She likes the gym, some hot yoga, and maybe ballet soon. Good answers.

Asked her about her drinking habits, she doesn't drink. Good answer. I commend her for that. I think girls like this get self-concious when you ask them about doing "cool kid" things and they don't, they like hearing you think how they live is cool. She doesn't need to be harassed. Yet.

Asked about her school, she attended a small religious school growing up and loved the community. Good answer.

I haven't quizzed her on cooking. Some other time.

We sat and I shared some dance videos I was interested in, spoke about music. Self expression. Her best friend is a girl, in grad school for math, reads math text books for fun.

She sat hip to hip with me as I was showing her a Kizomba video. Then I went into to show her how close partners dance, chest to chest. She liked that. I thought about going for the kiss, broad daylight, street corner. God chooses to sub in a crazy old homeless guy off the bench on some sort of recumbent bike wheelchair came along us. The moment didn't feel as smooth for it.

We still touched, we were talking about grandparents. Who's alive, who we talk to. I still wanted to kiss her, I thought when dropping her off would make it easier on her than out in public.

On the drive back she complimented my car and she gave me directions to her place. It was a shiny breezy afternoon. I told her this isn't how it usually is, turned my 6-speed stick to sport mode, down-shifted, started weaving in the lane like a drunken Bowser in Mario Kart. She liked that.

Ironically I leave to Romania & Serbia a few weeks to look for someone like her. Maybe she'll be outclassed. She knows about the trip. I say we should do something when I get back, I'll send her some pictures.

I stop the car infront of her place. Undo my seatbelt reflexively always to have the most leeway. She feels the tension and backs up little bit like a scared Bambi. She has an easy & open body language. In these seconds I just have learned to listen to my gut. A strong make out didn't feel right yet. I leaned into her space. I could feel she knew I wanted to and was planning on being aggressive. I felt she wanted to get to know me better and was just starting to get comfortable having me in her personal space. I embraced her and kiss her on the cheek, she liked it. She seemed a little giddy trying to figure out how to get out of the car. I sat calmly back with a smile and showed her how.

Once past the front of my car she turned around to wave goodbye with that very demure, genuine, & somehow with a coloring of raw sexuality look she had given me before in the bowling alley a few times. Locked eye contact for that split second full expressing her feelings towards me.

This and for other reasons, has been the strangest month of my entire life.

It was like this dating nice girls from church when I was in high school in the early 80's. I lived in a small town. The cities and suburbs were a lot different already. It still seems to me that girls should be wholesome and interested in guarding their virtue like this.

The red pill has been very disillusioning for me, because my upbringing makes me feel it is normal for young girls to be this way, and now I suspect that under 5% of young American women are like this, 10% at the absolute most.

Quote: (04-10-2017 08:29 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

Here are a few things I would add to the list:

+No debt, credit cards, student loans, mortgages
+750 plus credit score, credit score is character
+Naturally frugal and cautious with her money. Does not over spend
+Likes music, it doesn't have to be mine, but has favorite artists, and loves music
+Has a good education, bachelors degree minimum
+Regularly reads books
+Religious
+Large round breasts.

I couldn't agree more, but number one and number three on this list may apply to the top fraction of a percent. I've literally fought my whole life to be able to fall into that category. Credit isn't something that I even think about, so I have no idea what my score is, nor do I care.

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If you're not into catholicism I highly recommend finding an Independent Fundamental Baptist church. They're super conservative and their women don't adhere to wordly careerism / you-go-girlism at all. I spoke to one girl to at my local church who said her dream is to take care of the home and serve her husband.

There's isn't much you'd have to "convert" to either. They believe salvation is by faith alone. Other than baptism, you won't need to go through any rituals or anything. All you'd be expected to do is act like a man and go to Church on Sundays and read your Bible once in a while (it's great literature).

I was born into and grew up in that environment. I have strong mixed feelings about it. I'm repulsed by the slutty, trashy women of typical American woman. But I was also heavily screwed up in that Fundy Baptist environment. I find it creepy to think of going back to one, but I do like the women even though I am never around them. I think I'm too screwed up to settle down.

Ive been seeing a girl in China on a somewhat friendly basis, meaning I don't have any sex, but she was cool and helped me a lot with some things when I moved into this city.

One issue with very good girls is that they are very timid. Comfort needs to be through the roof. Ive been out and done lots of stuff with this girl, who is 22 and just finished her final exams in university. She hasn't been on a date in a year since she broke up with her bf. I took her to the gym and worked out together using a guest pass, kino'd hard, wore my tank top and think pants, she keep staring at my arms and chest (ive gotten in good shape in the last couple years). Then walked to a good restaurant, had a fun time, lots of laughing. Then walked around a park near her home - she wouldn't walk around the place next to mine, I suggested it first, then she suggested the other. Cool. After walking 10 minutes with my arm around here, tried to kiss, failed. Put arm around her, continued as if nothing happened. A couple minutes later tried again. She said its too fast. Though I did receive a message on the way home that shes embarrassed and hopes we hang out again.

Young, actual non-slutty, non drinking, non smoking, non dating chicks are a long term investment. And then the kissing, sex, bjs, etc are going to be bad unless you, A) put a lot of time into teaching her and B) she is naturally sex driven and doesn't have any kind of hang-ups from religion, culture, whatever from becoming a very pro-sexual girl.

I know because Ive gone through this twice before and both times the B) above was a problem. No matter how positive and encouraging, buying toys, lingerie, 5 star hotel weekends, smiling, telling her good things are, both girls never ended up as high sex need girls. Would never know it from looking at them, look just like any other girl, but simply not always wanting the D. On the other hand I banged a girl recently who just couldn't get enough, eyes rolling back in head, screaming. I was tired the hell out. She was ready for round 4.

Definitely a struggle my friends.

Quote: (04-30-2017 08:49 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

Ive been seeing a girl in China on a somewhat friendly basis, meaning I don't have any sex, but she was cool and helped me a lot with some things when I moved into this city.

One issue with very good girls is that they are very timid. Comfort needs to be through the roof. Ive been out and done lots of stuff with this girl, who is 22 and just finished her final exams in university. She hasn't been on a date in a year since she broke up with her bf. I took her to the gym and worked out together using a guest pass, kino'd hard, wore my tank top and think pants, she keep staring at my arms and chest (ive gotten in good shape in the last couple years). Then walked to a good restaurant, had a fun time, lots of laughing. Then walked around a park near her home - she wouldn't walk around the place next to mine, I suggested it first, then she suggested the other. Cool. After walking 10 minutes with my arm around here, tried to kiss, failed. Put arm around her, continued as if nothing happened. A couple minutes later tried again. She said its too fast. Though I did receive a message on the way home that shes embarrassed and hopes we hang out again.

Young, actual non-slutty, non drinking, non smoking, non dating chicks are a long term investment. And then the kissing, sex, bjs, etc are going to be bad unless you, A) put a lot of time into teaching her and B) she is naturally sex driven and doesn't have any kind of hang-ups from religion, culture, whatever from becoming a very pro-sexual girl.

I know because Ive gone through this twice before and both times the B) above was a problem. No matter how positive and encouraging, buying toys, lingerie, 5 star hotel weekends, smiling, telling her good things are, both girls never ended up as high sex need girls. Would never know it from looking at them, look just like any other girl, but simply not always wanting the D. On the other hand I banged a girl recently who just couldn't get enough, eyes rolling back in head, screaming. I was tired the hell out. She was ready for round 4.

Definitely a struggle my friends.

I think the mistake that so many guys make is that they want the
good girl to have sex with them quickly like all the other hoes they fuck but I would say that any chick that sleeps with you soon after you've met her is not going to be a good girl or a good bet long term. Women who are generally chaste are going to resist having sex with you too soon, that's their nature. If you want a good, loyal woman who isn't going to stray, you want her to be this way. Yes, it will take time and work. It may even get a little frustrating but if a chick is nice like this one you're describing here and you want a nice girl like her, then you have to be patient and continue to build comfort.

Once she is comfortable enough to have sex with you and she grows sexually with you, you can turn her into an animal in bed. She should be a classy, feminine and charming lady in the world and become a whore in bed. With you. And only you.

I was pretty clear I went the distance with both girls, 6+ months of work and positive reinforcement. Just wasn't that fire in them.

I do not agree every girl can be into sex as much as I want. And some are simply not that into sex. To both of them I was the alpha badass and when I finally admitted the issue both of them started doing what I wanted, being more sex driven but it was too flat and not real. They were just terrified of losing me. When I broke up with both of them they were hysterical crying, so I don't think it was lack of desire for me.

Not all girls can be sex machines. I just like to remind people that.

Returned from Eastern Europe. While I was there I emailed and texted the girl in question every few days with some pictures and updates.

She isn't much of a texter or emailer so it was like writing letters back and forth a response from each of us short & every few days.

I set up a date for a few days after I got back she countered with the next day which was nice because she was busy the day before.

I can tell that it would take awhile to get physical with this girl, she may be one seriously saving it for marriage. Other virgins I have been with were looking to give it up when the right situation came along. I am not sure this one is a virgin, seems very very likely though. She doesn't drink alcohol or coffee or smoke. I think pushing for sex right now is pretty much out of the question she needs a ton of comfort.

Good things I've learned:

- She knows my age and is fine with the age difference (not a huge one but sizable for her age and American standards)
- Doesn't drink alcohol or even coffee
- Her whole life seems revolve around her family. Mother's Day, going to watch an ice skating show with Mom.
- Her friends are all well accomplished hardworking usually non-white girls from good families.
- She doesn't use any social media. Her brother has his cat on instagram in funny pictures and she refuses to follow that.
- She isn't a big texter. This is huge to me for 1) less wasted time 2) less open to temptation or girly gossip because she doesn't sit around and text
- Never takes out her phone when with me
- Always wears dresses that have class and aren't gaudy
- Very good posture
- Innocent sparkle in eyes clear as day
- Nervous around me
- Shows up on time to dates every time
- Openly lets me know her near future schedule so I know when are good times to plan a date in advance
- Very little make up if any and still very cute
- Has a desire to become more expressive and break out of her shell, I think If I can be that guy for her she'll girlfriend worship me.
- Too shy to wear a bathing suit to the beach (for now!)
- Likes same type of comedy I do (rare for a girl)
- Likes same types of food eating out
- Likes the same sort of climates and states. I often think of moving to Colorado in the future and she says she would love it there. I was anxious she'd be a chick that would never want to leave California.
- She likes learning dance, wants to get into ballet practice
- She fills in silences with personal questions about me that seem like she's put some thought into them about how to learn more about me

Maybe Good Things I've Learned:
- She did not go to Church without me when I was gone, she says she is still deciding what denomination she wants, she was scared away from the Church due to a strict upbringing I think either by a school authority growing up or a family member (not sure), so she went to Church really just to hang with me, and would be willing to go with me if I wanted her to
- Her strict upbringing did instill some guilt into her, which depending on how sever it was could be a great thing where she wants to break out of her shell, express herself, and rebel against her condition on a shy good girl level... meaning instead of sleeping with 15 guys and doing a bunch of drugs for her it may be as simple as laughing loudly more, going to the beach in a bathing suit, having a glass of wine her and there when winding down... or it may be horrific. Who knows?

On the third date I planned it early in the evening. I have a deep gut feeling inviting to a bar x @ 9 won't fly. Maybe go get appetizers at a nice restaurant and order her a wine or champagne could be good. We walked the pier then she said she was hungry and we grabbed dinner. The walk and dinner were both playful and pleasant. We tried picking up heavy objects with chopsticks (she can't use them, I teased she has Asian friends), she's clumsy. At the beach I said I was going to pick her up to see how easy it would be if we danced, she was too shy in public. At the end of dinner I asked if she wanted to play some pool which she earlier said she sometimes like to play, she said let's do it another time and wanted to cut the date around 8. Driving her back to her car I grab her hand and put it on the stick, place mine over, and have her shift with me to teach her to listen to the engine. I think she was turned on by that, definitely excited her in her shy way.

Back at her car I make her set her to-go down and then pick her up, I wanted to go under the armpits for the Chad Michael Michaels raise. She hugged herself shyly and giggled as I raised her. I went in for the kiss goodbye, got good eyes, got the cheek though, then a hug after that was warmer than previous half hugs - I had to initiate though saying ("ok I'll give you a real hug goodbye"). She is gone this weekend so we left it at making plans for next week.


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Bottom Line

1. Her lease ends June 30
2. She is thinking about applying to a medical coding program in a city a 4 hour drive away that her grandma lives in so she can hang out with her grandma and do the program for a year. She has to decide this within one week from now
3. She also applied to some sort of hospice part time sort of job where I live, she doesn't seem serious about that though
4. She hasn't made up her mind it seems like she is leaning 80% to go for the program and move to her grandma's town

I think she is a serious candidate. I think it would be a very long time before I find another girl with all these qualities.

I don't know whether to try to play as fast as I can physically (night, wine bar near my place, come back for a movie, make a move etc..)... I think that may scare her off and I absolutely don't want that. I honestly am not sure I could even hold her hand yet if we were out without making her very uncomfortable, I think soon though as she is getting used to me touching her which she is always fine with.

My gut says never to mention anything long term explicitly. A long distance relationship with her would be very low maintenance as she doesn't text and my schedule and the distance wouldn't make it hard to visit her quite often (though it is a fucking investment). Even though I have the ability to work remotely in the U.S. I think chasing her to her grandma's town is the wrong move. However I could easily do a week or two weeks in her city then a few weeks at my place back and forth and do it that way to give distance without really moving there.

My gut however says at some point before she moves away opening a conversation about how she views things I think would smart.

Time is working against me I have a family emergency and going out of town for 2 weeks soon. This means before her lease ends we have just over 3 weeks of being in town together before she possibly moves. She is making her decision to move in the next week...

If there is a girl worth putting some more investment into so far in my life after meeting 1000s of American girls this one would be #1 based on all her character traits so far.

Questions To The Audience:

How aggressive do I get with her vs. comfort? Right now it feels like 3 more dates to get a make out... maybe more.

When do I bring up a conversation about how she views the situation? Waiting til the day before she moves seems retarded.

I also feel that this is a serious candidate.

I have no experience because I'm still in the "meet 1000 American girls" phase, but giving this a bump to bring in the EE experts. Thanks for sharing and I wish you the best.

Your girl sounds similar to mine, at least when i met her about a year ago, I mustve hung out with her about 8 times before nailing her, difference being I still made out with her on the first date, was her first kiss and she didnt know wtf she was doing but she never held it against me, in general I always escalated but she never held it against me and ran off. I think this is key, if she really likes you, like a lot, you can do no wrong, be as aggressive as you are comfortable with.

I think my best strategy is go to a nice resto near my place next date. Eat appetizers together at the bar, order some wine and have her try some. Then get her back to my place for a movie in private & see if she gets comfortable for a makeout.

If that doesn't work switch to a more comfort date and keep going at her whenever it feels right.

I am not sure what I am typing is coming through the screen to you guys. I was seriously worried she was semi retarded or autistic the first time I met her because she had that strong tinge of being awkward. It has slowly started evaporating away and she feels like she can say anything or make a mistake around me and it's fine. I have been other girls' first kiss/makeout on the first date, this girl is definitely in a deeper league of shyness. I could see her in another 3 or 4 hangouts starting to act probably much closer to how she does around close family and friends.

Quote: (05-12-2017 10:23 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

I think my best strategy is go to a nice resto near my place next date. Eat appetizers together at the bar, order some wine and have her try some. Then get her back to my place for a movie in private & see if she gets comfortable for a makeout.

If that doesn't work switch to a more comfort date and keep going at her whenever it feels right.

I am not sure what I am typing is coming through the screen to you guys. I was seriously worried she was semi retarded or autistic the first time I met her because she had that strong tinge of being awkward. It has slowly started evaporating away and she feels like she can say anything or make a mistake around me and it's fine. I have been other girls' first kiss/makeout on the first date, this girl is definitely in a deeper league of shyness. I could see her in another 3 or 4 hangouts starting to act probably much closer to how she does around close family and friends.

With my analysis of what you have written, i think she recognizes how well you have treated her and was kind of nervous. She seems to really value you as a man. I hope you keep on treating her well and not rush things. With someone like her , you will get to experience the sweetness of patience. When feelings are true and people involved respect what they have, intimacy becomes an act of exploration rather than act of lust.

^ Yeah I am thinking sort of the same even if let's say she came back to my place and we kissed I wouldn't be trying repeatedly to keep going if she was very hesistant... end on a high note and all that.

However I want to make a large impression within both the next week and definitely before her lease ends at the end of June... getting physical with an inexperienced girl definitely does that.

Yep....that's normal with the good girls. They usually don't quite understand why but at least feel like they're not normal. They also won't be secure around guys both because they will have socialized less with dudes and because they're often not sure how to keep a guy around when they know they have to compete with women who will gladly put out on the first date.

Also hate to double post, but I lean strongly towards investing with this one. I'm seeing a LOT of small details in common with both my wife and other women that I've seen in successful relationships. Little things like low social media, gravitating towards being with family, not drinking alcohol or coffee, and being more interested in ballroom dancing than club dancing.

I spent the past hour reading this thread. It feels like I'm in the twilight zone. And I mean that as the biggest compliment I can give.

The past few years, having to "take the red pill" as I reside on the US East Coast, I've learned how to game women - being aloof, touching, kissing and even having sex on the first date, having a DGAF attitude, etc.

I'd gotten used to a certain style of interaction with women. And then I read this thread!

Maybe it's because I still haven't "killed my inner beta" yet, but your story resonates in an authentic way - this is how it should be with women - no negging, no needing to be the super aloof douchebag alpha, no escalating to sex in 3 hours tops - just some fun dates with a normal woman.

It reminds me of the first girl I went out with. It just felt right.

Unfortunately, I don't have any advice to give. But I wish you the absolute best with this one.