I guess I agree that 3 BF's is worse than ONS's.

I think also the fact the argument against a virgin is "you're unrealistic just settle!".

I think there are more than enough up to 25 year old virgins in conservative countries out there. I'd say until your mid 40s or so you have a great shot if it is important to you and you put the work in. Also hoping by 45 your game and finances are in great shape from experience.

So the unrealistic argument is really arguing for laziness or not placing a high priority.

I guarantee you if I dropped everything and moved to Vietnam for 2 years right now I could come back with a virgin bride. Why don't I? Well I have some time to work hard, become location independent, stack more cash, and up my game even more.

Now let's say I was 5 years older and hadn't found a virgin bride here in the U.S. and was dumb enough not to get location independent. I would probably drop everything to move to whatever country I thought was best (international job, teaching English) whatever for 2 years and pick that girl up as my clock winds down.


I am a firm believer the mother of my children is probably the biggest single most important decision I will ever make so I don't see how someone could ever argue that the opportunity cost spent on finding the best one possible should be spent somewhere else.

I think selling guys fear is a disservice.

^ This. I also think that the number of Asian virgin brides is far lower than the number of men wanting a LTR. Of course, not everyone will be able to get a virgin. However since we are community of aware men, we should be the ones who pick up those charming ladies and leave the shipwreck girls to the SJWs, omegas, and losers.

I don't want to bring a bride back to my home country because I don't want to poison her with the Western way of thinking. I live abroad and will always will. I believe it is essential for a girl to live in her country in order to maintain her culture.

Let's say you have to pick a lottery ticket:
#1 has a prize of $1,000,000 with a 1/1000 chance of success
#2 has a prize of $1,000,000 with a 1/100 chance of success

Both are the same price, you can only take 1, and it is the only chance you will have in your lifetime, which one will you pick?

It's the same thing for starting a family. You have to pick THE best as a mother of your kids.

I'm a bit drunk so I'll put some speculation here, let me know if you think it makes sense or not: Charles Darwin taught us a wonderful theory about evolution of species and natural selection. Let's say that the world starts declining like the West. Feminists, SJWs, losers, cat women, etc. Well, those people won't reproduce. Instead, traditional families with have kids inside marriage, who will in return follow the same path. Following natural selection, only the traditional will survive, which will start a new positive revolution for the world. So my goal is to ensure that my descendents will be part of this.

^ I know I can trust you because you have Team Numerical Scale.

Quote: (12-04-2016 01:56 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

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I'm a bit drunk so I'll put some speculation here, let me know if you think it makes sense or not: Charles Darwin taught us a wonderful theory about evolution of species and natural selection. Let's say that the world starts declining like the West. Feminists, SJWs, losers, cat women, etc. Well, those people won't reproduce. Instead, traditional families with have kids inside marriage, who will in return follow the same path. Following natural selection, only the traditional will survive, which will start a new positive revolution for the world. So my goal is to ensure that my descendents will be part of this.

Democracy.

Welfare.

As long as turning out large numbers of subsidy scrubs is not only rewarded financially but electorally then once we pass that magic number where the lower class hits democratic critical mass then we get to live the collectivist horrors of the last century all over again.

Brexit and Trump's election might have brought us back from the edge of the cliff. From here the West can claw its demographics back from the edge of oblivion, but it's not going to be easy or a sure thing regardless.

Quote: (12-04-2016 12:57 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

...I think also the fact the argument against a virgin is "you're unrealistic just settle!"...

I am a firm believer the mother of my children is probably the biggest single most important decision I will ever make so I don't see how someone could ever argue that the opportunity cost spent on finding the best one possible should be spent somewhere else...

This.

I don't understand guys who settle and marry some American girl with "only" 3 ex-boyfriends without first exploring all their options, which can include going abroad to more traditional countries.

That being said, most European countries embrace some form of female "sexual freedom," and I understand guys who don't want to go to Thailand to marry an Asian wife and have half-Asian children (I don't say that to imply that any race is superior to another. I believe people of every racial or ethnic group have a natural preference for their own kind. It is natural for you to want your children to look like you).

I'm sure there are more nice virgin girls in Eastern Europe than there is in America, but I don't know how many of them would be open to dating a foreign man who has no connection to the community.

One of the things that is wrong with our modern culture is that young people (teenagers and college kids) are taught not to take their relationships seriously. They are told "You're young. You should focus on your career now and you'll find a husband/wife when you're older." Also, young girls are discouraged from marrying an man 5 or 10 years older, but they are encouraged to fool around and have casual relationships with guys their own age.

Quote: (12-04-2016 08:32 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

One of the things that is wrong with our modern culture is that young people (teenagers and college kids) are taught not to take their relationships seriously. They are told "You're young. You should focus on your career now and you'll find a husband/wife when you're older." Also, young girls are discouraged from marrying an man 5 or 10 years older, but they are encouraged to fool around and have casual relationships with guys their own age.

Lol even 25-35 year old women don't take their relationships "that seriously" sometime. Hell even American women who are MARRIED don't take their relationships that seriously sometimes... The US is fucked. I'm seriously considering just getting a vasectomy and remaining a bachelor for life.

Indeed, relationships really are in a way selling your balls to one woman, instead of being free to bang whoever you want. I can understand if older guys who want children want a relationship but it makes no sense for younger guys since young women don't respect relationships anyway

Quote: (12-05-2016 11:47 PM)MrBoombastic Wrote:  

Indeed, relationships really are in a way selling your balls to one woman, instead of being free to bang whoever you want. I can understand if older guys who want children want a relationship but it makes no sense for younger guys since young women don't respect relationships anyway

Yeah but if you wait until you're old to look for a good woman, all that will be left are used-up women and ugly/fat women who no one wanted.

Now, if you are open to meeting a good woman but you just can't find one, I totally understand that. I would never recommend a man wife up a slut or a bitch. But it doesn't make much sense for a man to totally close himself off from the idea of finding a good woman, only to do a complete 180 and decide he wants a wife and kids at age 35. Your chances of finding a good, young woman would be greatly diminished.

If you take marriage seriously, I would not compromise on the virginity issue. It's not the only thing, but it's a damn important non-negotiable requirement.

I was fully prepared to never get married, because my bachelor life was pretty awesome. The moment I found out that my wife was a virgin was when I thought about marrying her. It's the only way a man can mould his woman physically, mentally and emotionally into his submissive helper for life. I'm her first for everything, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Forget about those physical tests, that's starting to get a little spergy. Use your head. I was acting as if that was not at all an issue for me either way, and my wife at the time was both worried that I might be scared off because she was a virgin, and excited that she could give me her virginity.

Women who are no longer virgins act very differently and it's not hard to figure that out. If you stay "non-judgemental" they will tell you either directly or indirectly everything you need to know, including all the red flags.

Did you bang her prior to the wedding?

Just curious if you verified before the wedding.

^ You have a story similar to mine. When I met my wife, I was in a mini-LTR with her, while banging on the side. It took approximatedly 6 dates before I could fuck her, because of logistics issue and my life-in crazy girlfriend at the time. When the time came to do it, she told me that she never did that before. I knew the deal was good. This is what made me decide to wife her up. For having had both, my relationship with the virgin girl (now wife) was light years ahead of the other ones in terms of commitment on her side. No need to worry about who she's texting with, no danger of previous lovers popping up again, no danger of wanting to explore other options, and no comparisons with her exes. Just a loyal, submissive girl.

The good feeling is seeing your wife crunching her abs as you break her membrane and make her worship the ground you work on. On the other hand, knowing that my wife was deflowered by another dude will leave me a bad taste in the mouth as long as I'll be with her. It's hard to understand for someone who never had this chance (as the number of brand new brides is lower than the number of single men).

Once you go black, you don't go back. Same for this.

I honestly don't understand this virgin obsession.

We're missing middle ground on this issue.

Nobody wants a whore bag but if a girl has been with a few guys before that's simply normal, all other things being equal.

Quote: (12-06-2016 12:48 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

If you take marriage seriously, I would not compromise on the virginity issue. It's not the only thing, but it's a damn important non-negotiable requirement.

I was fully prepared to never get married, because my bachelor life was pretty awesome. The moment I found out that my wife was a virgin was when I thought about marrying her. It's the only way a man can mould his woman physically, mentally and emotionally into his submissive helper for life. I'm her first for everything, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Forget about those physical tests, that's starting to get a little spergy. Use your head. I was acting as if that was not at all an issue for me either way, and my wife at the time was both worried that I might be scared off because she was a virgin, and excited that she could give me her virginity.

Women who are no longer virgins act very differently and it's not hard to figure that out. If you stay "non-judgemental" they will tell you either directly or indirectly everything you need to know, including all the red flags.

Your comment is absolutely on point. Women who are not virgins, and especially slutty women, do act differently. The thousand-cock stare is real. That is why I don't understand dudes who get married to a chick with obvious slut-face and then act surprised when she divorces or cuckolds him.

Blue-pill men seem to think that "true love" (for lack of a better term, I know how corny it sounds) means a girl you like to fuck and also happen to have a few interests in common with; a friend who shares common interests who happens to be an attractive woman. They don't understand that you need to own your woman (and no, this does not mean she is your slave). If a woman regularly turns you down for sex without a good excuse (i.e. being sick or on her period), she does not truly belong to you. If a woman got deflowered by another dude, she does not fully belong to you, as a part of her will always belong to the other dude.

The concept of a woman "belonging" to you extends to areas beyond sex. For example, if a woman calls the cops on you (even if you got violent with her), then she does not belong to you. She is appealing to the authority of other men to come and dominate you with state power, and possibly leave you with a lifelong criminal record (any domestic violence conviction, even a misdemeanor, means you lose your 2nd amendment rights for life). Additionally, if a woman regularly disrespects you in front of others, regularly berates you for not making enough money, regularly threatens to leave you as a manipulation tactic, etc., then she does not truly belong to you. Blue-pill men have been brainwashed to believe that having a woman "belong" to you is bad, which is one of the reasons why divorce and cuckoldry are so common.

As for the "physical tests" you mentioned, I was not suggesting anyone should actually have their girlfriend examined by a doctor to verify virginity. I was simply suggesting that it can be done, i.e that a woman's body undergoes irreversible changes when she has sex for the first time.

Quote: (12-06-2016 01:13 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

I honestly don't understand this virgin obsession.

We're missing middle ground on this issue.

Nobody wants a whore bag but if a girl has been with a few guys before that's simply normal, all other things being equal.

If you've never actually dated a virgin it's impossible to comprehend.

Remember the first time you dated a non-American female? How different it was? How much better it was?

It's like that, only better in every conceivable way.

You don't even seem to like LTR's, so it would be a waste of time for you to bother finding/seducing/training a virgin IMHO.

I have indeed dated a virgin and I eventually took her virginity.

She was a very nice girl but there was nothing remarkable about the relationship after that.

To be fair I was very young and so was she.

I think she was the only one, I can't remember.

To your other point, I don't have any problem with LTRs per se.

No more than any other man anyway.

It's just new territory for me.

Quote: (12-06-2016 01:13 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

...if a girl has been with a few guys before that's simply normal...

Normal as of when? The 1960s?

Throughout the vast majority of civilized history, even before Christ, virginity was the norm. Non-virgins were considered unmarriageable, or at the very least, far less desirable. Fathers would guard their daughters' sexuality very seriously, knowing that if she was defiled prior to marriage, no self-respecting man would want to marry her.

Girls were not allowed to just have boyfriends and go out by themselves. There was a courtship process, and the dates were strictly chaperoned up until they were married. If they wanted time alone to get to know each other, the chaperone (usually a family member, or the girl's father himself) would be in the next room. Keep in mind that it was common for girls to get married as young as 13, and usually no later than 18, so it was not as if these girls were forced to remain at home and celibate into their 20s.

Sure, there's a part of me that has sympathy for young women in modern times. They were not taught to value their virginity, and in many cases were actively encouraged to give it away, so maybe we should be more forgiving towards modern women and not be so strict when it comes to virginity.

But there's another part of me that says "Hell, no!" Why should I settle for a second-hand woman when the vast majority of my civilized male ancestors didn't settle for anything less than a brand new woman? Am I supposed to have less self-respect than my ancestors did simply because I was born in the wrong time period?

Quote: (12-06-2016 01:49 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

I have indeed dated a virgin and I eventually took her virginity.

She was a very nice girl but there was nothing remarkable about the relationship after that.

To be fair I was very young and so was she.

Quote: (12-04-2016 08:32 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

One of the things that is wrong with our modern culture is that young people (teenagers and college kids) are taught not to take their relationships seriously. They are told "You're young. You should focus on your career now and you'll find a husband/wife when you're older."

People are too obsessed with the technical aspect of virginity here (Hymen)
Recently I had a BJ from a girl who wears a hijab, I fucked her too(from the ass)
She is a virgin according to you guys, she never took it from the front, she has a hymen.
How the hell will I know that she didn't take it up the ass or sucked some dude off? Its impossible. I'm from Turkey and I can easily marry a virgin, but I'll never know who she made out with, whose dick she sucked or who fucked her from the ass. It's impossible. A lot of girls take it up the ass here until marriage, when they find some beta provider they lock em up and marry em..

I think the first rule should be to marry someone very young, say 16 or 17 if the law permits it in that country. It would be very naive on your part to expect a 20 year old girl to have never gave a bj, made out etc etc. There is basically no way to verify.

My 2c

I've got an 18 year old plate who I took her virginity - she definitely adores me but she's for sure got that social media life vibe and is definitely a bit odd.

It'd be different if she was an 18 year old virgin from outside the states.

The last virginity I took was when I was actually 18 and she was 17, I did take the relationship seriously, however, being a little bitch that I was forgave her a few times and got back with her after she fucked my ex best friend.

Clearly times have changed when it comes to dating in the states and with virgins. Personally there's a few virgins in high schools who blew a ton of dudes or got finger blasted a bunch or even got their back door pounded instead.

Are those girls still wholeheartedly good "virgins" ?

We talk about a virgins ability to "pair bond" - is she able to after what I said above ?

You'll never know, and yes we obsess on virginity when it may not be enough.

To me you a need good loyal woman in general for marriage.

In the end of the day, I just enjoy being around women I dig, I have fun with them.

I'll always love women, you just have to accept the fact that most aren't perfect virgins who will worship you.

This isn't a defeatist attitude at all, because I'm not looking for marriage (at this point).

When you deflower a girl, you OWN her.

Not like a master owns a slave. But rather, you own her heart, a piece of her soul.

She worships you. Adores you. No man will ever be to her what you are. No matter if she's with him for 30 years and bears his children. She simply will not be able to bond with another man the way she did with her first.

It goes without saying that when you deflower a girl, the amount of bullshit, games, and other negative crap that typically goes with a woman decreases A LOT. And unless you REALLY fuck up, she will be loyal and faithful to you. She simply cannot imagine being with another man. You're the only one she wants, the one she gave herself to.

Let me repeat that: When a woman who is a virgin chooses to sleep with you, she is, in essence, GIVING HERSELF TO YOU, for the rest of her life. If you choose to discard her, you will remain her "great white buffalo" and every man she is with after you will be compared to you, and he will ALWAYS be lacking, even if he is superior in every way, because he will NEVER be her first choice. He will never be "the one".

Quote: (12-06-2016 02:36 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

When you deflower a girl, you OWN her.

Not like a master owns a slave. But rather, you own her heart, a piece of her soul.

She worships you. Adores you. No man will ever be to her what you are. No matter if she's with him for 30 years and bears his children. She simply will not be able to bond with another man the way she did with her first.

It goes without saying that when you deflower a girl, the amount of bullshit, games, and other negative crap that typically goes with a woman decreases A LOT. And unless you REALLY fuck up, she will be loyal and faithful to you. She simply can imagine being with another man. You're the only one she wants, the one she gave herself to.

Let me repeat that: When a woman who is a virgin chooses to sleep with you, she is, in essence, GIVING HERSELF TO YOU, for the rest of her life. If you choose to discard her, you will remain her "great white buffalo" and every man she is with after you will be compared to you, and he will ALWAYS be lacking, even if he is superior in every way, because he will NEVER be her first choice. He will never be "the one".

So how the fuck do we find and marry real virgins without getting locked up in some Thai/Cambodian prison?

I know for a fact many girls in my country give BJ, take it up the ass , do all sorts of shit except breaking their hymen. For me that is loss of virginity right there even though she didnt give her hymen up.

I really want an answer to this question.

BTW I agree with you 100%

Quote: (12-06-2016 02:28 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

People are too obsessed with the technical aspect of virginity here (Hymen)
Recently I had a BJ from a girl who wears a hijab, I fucked her too(from the ass)
She is a virgin according to you guys, she never took it from the front, she has a hymen.
How the hell will I know that she didn't take it up the ass or sucked some dude off? Its impossible. I'm from Turkey and I can easily marry a virgin, but I'll never know who she made out with, whose dick she sucked or who fucked her from the ass. It's impossible. A lot of girls take it up the ass here until marriage, when they find some beta provider they lock em up and marry em..

I think the first rule should be to marry someone very young, say 16 or 17 if the law permits it in that country. It would be very naive on your part to expect a 20 year old girl to have never gave a bj, made out etc etc. There is basically no way to verify.

My 2c

It's pretty easy to tell the difference.

These girls who are "technical virgins" still have "slut tells".

If you have game and can sense a girls vibe, it's easy to tell the difference.

Virgins in the actual sense, as in, they haven't been with a man before sexually, are a whole different beast compared to girls who fuck and suck but keep the hymen.

The only way you can verify these kind of things is if you grew up together with her. If you are in her social circle, that helps too.The guy above who claimed to marry a 28yr old virgin, sure I'm sure she is a technical virgin, but what about Anal, BJ,CIM etc etc.
Heck how do you know she didnt go to a surgeon and receive a hymenoplasty, that shit is huge in Thailand.
And as a farang there is no way he can verify her past.

Quote: (12-06-2016 02:36 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

When you deflower a girl, you OWN her.

Not like a master owns a slave. But rather, you own her heart, a piece of her soul.

She worships you. Adores you. No man will ever be to her what you are. No matter if she's with him for 30 years and bears his children. She simply will not be able to bond with another man the way she did with her first.

It goes without saying that when you deflower a girl, the amount of bullshit, games, and other negative crap that typically goes with a woman decreases A LOT. And unless you REALLY fuck up, she will be loyal and faithful to you. She simply can imagine being with another man. You're the only one she wants, the one she gave herself to.

Let me repeat that: When a woman who is a virgin chooses to sleep with you, she is, in essence, GIVING HERSELF TO YOU, for the rest of her life. If you choose to discard her, you will remain her "great white buffalo" and every man she is with after you will be compared to you, and he will ALWAYS be lacking, even if he is superior in every way, because he will NEVER be her first choice. He will never be "the one".

John I agree she'll remember you forever, what you do with that is on you.

In my case in most my player years I've avoided virgins like the plague, this was the first virgin girls I've banged since I was 18 - now I know why because she's all over and is super lovey dovey - if she wasn't so....odd I might of dated her, I mean she's cute, but man she's neurotic and I can tell has anxiety.

Fun fact, she stopped talking to me (miscommunication since I was busy) and got another purity ring.

You might on apart of her and she might remember you always but I'm not exactly sure if you really do get apart of her if she's a slut in every other away - as was alluded to as "technical virgins"

Yesterday I said to myself, fuck it go to chechnya(muslim part of Russia) and find a girl there. Since they come from muslim households you can expect them to be conservative, and in chechen culture being a slut is worse than being an infidel.
The slav genes will come as a bonus of course.









They dont look bad at all.