Quote: (10-10-2016 03:38 PM)Travesty Wrote:
WIA, do you have any routines that are your favorite for beginners? My game hasn't used many at all.
I'm more of a structure guy, less of a script guy. I've used scripts before, so i'm not against em. Most new guys fail with scripts because they don't really understand what's going on socially. They don't get the context, the content, so they can't do the delivery right. Part of that is on the guy providing the script.
Here are a few for girls with phones in America.
1) I was talking about this one on a different Board B, about an opener I read on Board A.
This is actually a day game opener used at a mall. (it's canned opener and it's direct for guys keeping score)
1. Guy sees a girl
2. Guy walks over to girl, in such a way that's he's not sneaking up on her
3. Girl sees guy walking towards her
4. Guy says/commands/requests, "Swipe right"
5. Girl is confused, "huh, what"
6. Guy motions, he steps back, and he swipes his hand right in real space. As if the world were one big smartphone
7. Guy says "I just swiped right on you, Now you should swipe right"
8. Girl realizes what he just did, puts it together - and she opens.
By open, I mean she's receptive to the conversation. Doesn't mean that she's going to sleep with him. Doesn't mean that she finds him physically attractive. But the conversation is open. And he can start her down the path.
Why it works?
A guy who's been doing conversion style game (Am I the only one?) understands exactly what is going on here.
Yes it's gimmicky. Yes it could be conceived as corny.
But it's playful. It's shows the girl value.
It's interactive.
It shows man to woman interest right off the bat. So she's not confused as to why you're talking to her.
And thus it opens fairly well.
How long will this be a good opener? Who knows
If a girl doesn't have Tinder, would she even get the joke? Probably not.
Would it be better to say "Hey" instead of an opener?
That's what a lot of lames think, and guys that aren't into the psychology of the game. You can always say Hey. But "hey" rarely gets any kind of emotional reaction. It's better than Hi, or Hello, but now the player has to do something. So the "Hey" was wasting time. You want the girl to react to you. You want to make her react by your words. You don't want the girl to evaluate you and put you through a checklist. That's falling in to her frame. When she's responding and reacting to you - she's agreeing to your version of reality. That's powerful.
Those are things that you should think about when you read openers.
That's why the forum favorites "Pet Shop" and the "Having the Most Fun" can't just be used willy nilly.
What are the moving parts?
What hooks her attention?
Where can I go with it?
What additional conversational threads can I add to it?
I have game. I can turn the Pet Shop into the liquor store, into a book store, into a Afghani Restaurant. I understand the deep structure of how that works - because i focus on the psychology of it.
The first time I heard a Pet Shop Style opener was this dude named the Pheremone kid. His set up was asking for an Adult Video Store. (I'm that old). That was a 50/50 opener. It was a polarizer before Mark Manson started using that word. But the cool shit about that set up wasn't the boldness of the opener - it's what happened afterwards. I won't bore you guys with the details.
Two other easy ones that were on this board, in the player's lounge I believe.
#2
See a girl on her phone, "OMG you're totally playing Pokemon Go" - It's a current event joke that can open well with a young chick. You accuse her. She can confirm or deny. But she's interacting, and she's speaking with authority on something she knows about, herself.
That's very different than guys trying to work in the conversation their worldly travels, and hoping she bites on something and wants to know more.
Run that type of "me, me, me" game at your peril.
You're depending on her to
1) be listening closely,
2) be smart enough to catch your references, and
3) to like you right off the bat enough to care about "that thing you picked up".
These 3 things don't happen enough to be reliable.
#3
So if you understand what's going on with this opener, the improvement to the pokemon go opener is
See a chick
Step to her
and say
"Pokemon or Tinder, it's got to be one or the other"
.......
So on the surface, these are ping and bang style openers. If you're just running pure #'s game, you can use either. It will make no difference to that sort of mindless player.
But when you have GAME, you see how the Pokemon or Tinder opener injects sexuality into the discussion right off the bat, without it being creepy. Whereas the Pokemon Go will open any girl with a phone, the P or T gives you reason to go into fruitful topics. The "real world Tinder Swipe" hits on those sorts of things.
Chicks respond predictably to these type of things. This is what the #'s guys don't delve into. It's the foundation of this entire game thing. It's weird to me that I get so much flack for talking about the essence of this whole thing. You don't think guys in the 90's thought working out and dressing up was THE WAY? They tried that and failed, repeatedly. Looking as good as you could wasn't the secret sauce.
I digress.
To come up with openers/jokes/stories/tricks, to think of these things, to improvise - that's going to require going out and interacting with lots of girls.
You can do the Pokemon/Tinder one all night. Show that one to 20-40 chicks in 3 hours.
The 'real world swipe' I wouldn't necessarily do all night because physical gestures draw attention. So depending on where your game is, you may or may not want that.
WIA