Point 3 is point I agree with.

Here I see probably what seems like a 5 to 1 ratio of dark brown guys at college that are good looking decent shape or good shape, often tall. The women usually are much less in numbers, not out and about as often, and not nearly as good looking in comparison.

It's a gigantic sausage trade deficit.

Quote: (09-25-2016 05:36 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

As I am predicting, gaming will only get harder and harder. And you will see it happen quickly, within the next few years.

Its not because of some draconian law in the UK which prevents men from talking to women. Or younger women denying sex in place for cuddling.

Its because massive amounts of men are now game aware. Either in actually learning game, or just approaching for the first time. Or refusing to be beta any longer. And to the far end, denying LTR's to become the guy a girl has fun with, and thats it, no LTR's or becoming the inevitable beta boy bitch.

Look at the rise of Mike C. Who started here. And within two years, one of the largest voices in media. Its truly remarkable. And as more and more men agree with Mike and make him massive, they dig a little into D&P, and ROK, and RVF, and now, we have hoards of new men who are game aware. And now, men learning game for the first time. I am willing to bet on it.

So you are notice guys. There is a lot of new competition. The narrative is changing in pop culture. A rising tide lifts all ships. Make sure your boat sea worthy.

Maybe, but it also seems like that for every new "game-aware" person that come forth there are 10 new World of Warcraft-playing, can not keep eye-contact whatsoever guys emerging. I believe our new tech-heavy society will reward people who actually gets out there and got their shit together.

Basically a bigger gap between the guys who constantly improve themselves when it comes to body, mind, money, game and what not and the ones who don't. Which means a smaller percentage of guys will claim a bigger piece of the female pie.

^ I see slightly year over year I have seen more guys that hit the gym with good fashion in comparison to bangable slim young women. Saddest thing is more young morbidly obese Asian girls or nearly as bad thin decent looking ones with terrible dyed haircuts and tatts than when I was in junior high by a factor of 10 or 20.

Guys are staying single longer. As we said all guys 18-45 go after girls 18-25. There are a shit load more guys 25+ (divorce, no kids, eternal bachelors willing to easily date a plain 6 to have a younger girl) with $ single going at those 18-25yos.

Hence 200k swipes and no bang in S.F. for a guy that is good looking and own a tech company. I know he may be a nerd, still... in 1985 he would have a wife easily by now.

It goes to show that you need to be able to compete in this world, the days of a free lunch are drawing to an end. The worlds a competitive place, whether you want to be in a competition or not, and women are correctly assessing their value, at least on a short-term basis. Not knocking travel, I've done plenty, but it was always gimmicky in nature when it comes to getting laid, and was never meant to last. It's a way of being unique without really being that unique fundamentally. The way to being unique in the future is to simply be 'better' than the next man. Lebron James is a basketball player. Plenty of guys play ball. He's unique because he's outcompeted all others. On the plus side, the mere fact that there's a modicum of competition means that more and more men are dropping out. Simply by willing to step out there will help a lot.

I don't find this to be true. Haven't noticed a significant increase in players in places like Lima, especially those who are there long term. Also, you have to remember only a small percentage of people make enough money passively / online to support themselves in another country. In a city of millions of people there couldn't be THAT many gringos / rooshers that you would notice a major difference in results with girls. If you're there for 2 weeks, you shouldn't expect to be guaranteed hotties, but given ample time, any half decent gringo can expect to date attractive girls. Speaking based on my perspective of time spent in South America so maybe this is more real in Asia / EE.

Another reason I didn't mention is that local guys at these destinations are becoming more game aware as well.

I was in Ukraine recently and got a chance to hang out with Russian players. Based on what I've seen, I would say that any Western guy who thinks that Russian speaking players have inferior game will be in for a surprise. Russian players can't compete in Western countries mainly due to the language barrier, but they have many advantages on their home turf.

The pick-up community in Russia and FSU is big and getting even bigger. One guy mentioned that there must be over 100K guys in the Moscow pickup community. Vinny's topic covers Russian game in detail, but one thing I was surprised to see is that the community doesn't just translate and regurgitate Western game concepts but comes up with their own methods which work better with Russian speaking girls than the standard Western game. Some of these methods could also put you in jail in a litigious Western country, such as the US.

For example, one of the pickup exercises my Russian friend mentioned is this: you walk up to a girl, grab her by the waist from behind and lift her up. Or you walk up from behind, cover her eyes with your hand and don't let go, let her keep guessing who you are. Obviously, these tricks and are not likely to get you laid, but the idea is to lose fear and inhibitions and start doing real approaches.

Another thing I have noticed about Russian players is how direct they are when it comes to giving feedback. These guys don't beat around the bush. They'll mock you if you screw up an approach or say things like "you talked to this girl like a dork". It stings, but it's very effective.

Just talk to girls and you're 60% of the way there. Seriously. Have high value boom 75%. It's really not hard to pick up chicks. I'm approaching 100 notches and I can agree that some cities are being played out, but there will always be chicks DTF.

Another big reason is declining birthrates around the globe, particularly in Eastern Europe. I documented this important fact in a previous post:

thread-51963.html

Basically, the supply of 20-year old girls is rapidly declining, due to falling birthrates. However, the supply of 30-40 year old men is not. Thus, the supply-demand curve is out of whack. This happens in any society where the fertility rate is 1.2, instead of 3.2

By the year 2020, you will have roughly the same number of men in Eastern Europe competing for HALF the number of 20-year old girls there were at the peak.

Quote: (09-25-2016 05:58 PM)ponzored Wrote:  

I think the problems are macro:

1. Obesity in the West removing a large section of women from the pool.
Solution: sugar/soda taxes
2. Expensive housing in the West dissuading the young from settling down.
Solution: Land value taxes, free up land supply, cut immigration (see below)
3. An excess of males from India, Pakistan, Middle East etc. Typically these men hassle and perv on women, reducing their keenness for guys.
Solution: limit immigration to 50/50 Male/Female from these trouble countries.

"More government" troll??

Horrible suggestions. Up your game, don't expect men in authority to get other men to hold guns to the head of everyone else to help you out.

"There is no such thing as a free lunch."

Brodiaga. Great thread. I do agree that threads on this forum are partially to blame. I had a random friend hit me with a link to "tag the sponsors" so you know this forum is being hit up by normal dudes. I know for a fact that many dudes on here have special spots they hit up but never write about here because they don't want their secret areas to get dogged out. Selfish? maybe, but if you put info on this public site don't be surprised when your spot gets inundated with dudes across the game spectrum and beyond.

Quote: (09-25-2016 06:48 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

I was in Ukraine recently and got a chance to hang out with Russian players.

For example, one of the pickup exercises my Russian friend mentioned is this: you walk up to a girl, grab her by the waist from behind and lift her up. Or you walk up from behind, cover her eyes with your hand and don't let go, let her keep guessing who you are. Obviously, these tricks and are not likely to get you laid, but the idea is to lose fear and inhibitions and start doing real approaches.

Another thing I have noticed about Russian players is how direct they are when it comes to giving feedback. These guys don't beat around the bush. They'll mock you if you screw up an approach or say things like "you talked to this girl like a dork". It stings, but it's very effective.

Wow these guys sound like a real blast to hang out with...

Quote: (09-25-2016 08:52 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

"There is no such thing as a free lunch."

I realize that this may have sounded like a flippant comment, but think about this:

If we always had our free lunches, would we want to work and earn money to feed ourselves? Or would we become lazy and entitled, just like people earning welfare checks in the US?

Same goes for pussy. If we always had pussy lining up outside our hotel door and having it handed to us on a silver platter for no other reason other than being a different ethnicity as theirs, would we continue working on ourselves -- in the gym, in our game, in our lifestyle, and in our bank accounts -- to be the best men we can be? Or would we become lazy and entitled, just like the women in the West?

Women in the anglosphere have no real reason to become the best women they can be. They can become fat, bitchy, delay marriage until mid-30s, and still have everything handed to them on a silver platter -- either by a beta bucks or by the government -- or even both.

I know you all want to escape what IKE calls the West a "pussy desert" and reap all there is to benefit -- as I have and am doing -- but isn't a little competition a GOOD thing? If the guy next to you is making more money, has better game, or is more ripped than you and is therefore getting laid more, wouldn't that light a fire under your ass to improve yourself?

If you were fat, broke, with no game, and you were STILL getting laid anytime you wanted, would it make you any happier than if you actually earned your notches, money, and physique through some decent effort?

I would bet all my savings that the answer would be no.

As I'm approaching the triple digit mark, easy notches feel emptier and emptier. I even find myself thinking about that incredible week I spent with one quality girl as I'm drilling some random sloot I found on tinder. I mean, I WANT to enjoy each notch and I want to feel like I earned it, but I'd be lying if I said that I feel happier with each subsequent notch.

Don't get me wrong though. I am happy and leaving the US was one of the best things I've done for myself. But I find myself wanting to feel that I "accomplished" something, whether it be my business, gainz, and being with quality women.

Alright, enough typing. I'm off to the pool for a swim a-la NASA Test Pilot, then buff up at the gym (which I haven't done in three weeks).

There may be some truth to certain clubs or areas of cities in SEA getting played out, but I just spent a few days in 2nd/3rd tier city of 400/500K in Thailand and could have counted the number of foreign guys I saw around the city on one hand.

Went out to a couple of big clubs on Sat and didn't see any other foreign dudes. Definitely not as much eye candy on offer compared to Bangkok, but my guess is the top 10% would be in play for many RVF guys. Even had 2 girls soft approach me in the daytime.

Hard for me to comment on Bangkok since I haven't spent any significant time in the city in over a year, but when guys are saying they went out to places like Mixx, Levels and Sugar and then declaring the city is played out doesn't make any sense.

Quote: (09-25-2016 12:55 PM)erikak Wrote:  

Sadly, it's the beginning of the end for geo pussy arbitrage, and no amount of "game" or looksmaxing will make up for it.

This.

The travel section should have been made private/members-only years ago.

The biggest issue I notice:

It's become a lot easier for the average western guy go take a 1-2 week vacation and use knowledge gained here to bang a bunch of girls.

While this jams up online game for everyone I don't think it does much harm besides maybe playing out the top 3 night clubs.

If you're willing and able to stay long term and learn the local language you can bypass a lot of the competition from these short term visitors by going after women who dont speak a lot of English. They tend to be the hottest ones anyway.

From a money perspective there's also the issue of places becoming more westernized/developed and more expensive too. Therefore less attractive for a guy to visit and less reason for a girl to idolize foreign men.

My plan is to lock down as many tier 1 foreign cities as I can. Then as I get older learn the languages and move on to tier two cities that are cheaper and have less English speakers.

Sure the op is onto a real problem but you either role with it or you'll get frustrated bc it's beyond your control. For sure the answer is NOT to stop sharing honest datasheets and information.

Quote: (09-25-2016 08:14 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

Quote: (09-25-2016 05:58 PM)ponzored Wrote:  

I think the problems are macro:

1. Obesity in the West removing a large section of women from the pool.
Solution: sugar/soda taxes
2. Expensive housing in the West dissuading the young from settling down.
Solution: Land value taxes, free up land supply, cut immigration (see below)
3. An excess of males from India, Pakistan, Middle East etc. Typically these men hassle and perv on women, reducing their keenness for guys.
Solution: limit immigration to 50/50 Male/Female from these trouble countries.

"More government" troll??

Horrible suggestions. Up your game, don't expect men in authority to get other men to hold guns to the head of everyone else to help you out.

Agree. I'd even go further and say that one should expect men in authority to continue tipping the game in their favor.

Quote: (09-25-2016 02:21 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (09-25-2016 01:50 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Have you seen the pageviews on some of these threads?

Yeah lurkers abound, especially in the minority focused travel threads. That niche is rarely written about online.

Latin guys who love blondes: 43 posts 54,000 views.


Asian guy travel thread: 468 posts but 176,000 views!


Best cities for black guys: 2,888 posts 831,000 views!!

The travel threads should be accessible only to registered members who themselves contribute. Basically men who travel, have some experience and are already redpill would travel even without this forum so it wouldn't create any damage that they share their experiences between themselves. The problem is the thousands (actually hundreds of thousands) of beta lurkers who silently pump all the information.

These is an increase in the number of threads like this.

It's good news for seasoned players.

Here's the course of things:
Stage 1) Cheap plane travel makes it easier to travel around the world.
Stage 2) Adventurers and risk takers start traveling the world and discover pussy paradises.
Stage 3) The word gets out via the internet.
Stage 4) Men around the world read sites like this, smell the pussy and start going to these pussy paradises.
Stage 5) The newcomers get some pussy and share their experience on the internet with glee. Word gets out even more.
Stage 6) More and more men get the news and invade the pussy paradises.
Stage 7) Pussy markets start to get saturated. Local girls raise their standards.
Stage 8) Previous pussy paradises are no longer pussy paradises. Men get frustrated with their results.
Stage 9) They start bitching on the internet about other men raising the value of local girls and ruining the place. Word gets out.
Stage 10) Men read on the internet that the well known pussy paradises dried up. They get intimidated and stop going to these places.
Stage 11) Pussy paradises start regaining their pussy paradise status.
Stage 12) Players are wiser at this stage. Travel info is not openly shared on the internet.

We are currently at Stage 9.

There is a reason average men are called average frustrated chumps.

Any success they have will not be permanent. Market will eventually return to its equilibrium.

The main reason pussy paradises are pussy paradises is economy.

Unless SEA, EE and SA economically don't catch up with the rest of the world, these places will remain pussy paradises.

Any AFC invasion will be temporary. It's true they make it more difficult for the players as they inflate the girls' egos but they are bound to retreat.

Self improvement is tough. Location independence is not a cakewalk either.

Only the strong few will achieve it. The rest stand no chance.

Life always finds a way to weed out the weak.

OP is correct. Go to the gym, make money, improve yourself and you will be fine.

^YES

There are definitely more fashionable goodlooking guys showing up for freebies. But these are not true players.

I have seen many real western players in top western cities and very rarely do I see one in SE Asia. It's mostly dudes just "trying their luck". Rarely have I seen a guy cold approach consistently with charisma, dominance, working the room, able pass female tests, lead a whole group, etc.

It's mostly 'pretty' guys standing around waiting to get approach invitations... like girls would do. That is not true competition.

What's happening now is you can't just rock up and have high perceived value just by looking a certain way.

But you still dominate when you have actual good game.

Quote: (09-26-2016 06:48 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

^YES

There are definitely more fashionable goodlooking guys showing up for freebies. But these are not true players.

I have seen many real western players in top western cities and very rarely do I see one in SE Asia. It's mostly dudes just "trying their luck". Rarely have I seen a guy cold approach consistently with charisma, dominance, working the room, able pass female tests, lead a whole group, etc.

It's mostly 'pretty' guys standing around waiting to get approach invitations... like girls would do. That is not true competition.

What's happening now is you can't just rock up and have high perceived value just by looking a certain way.

But you still dominate when you have actual good game.

Yes that's very true.

I was at Sugar Club in BKK recently - there are definitely quite many good looking stylishly dressed dudes in that spot. No wonder - that club is on Soi 11 - the ground zero for BKK tourists - so that is to be expected. But I found it noticeable how insecure and kinda "dorky" these guys behaved - even though they didn't look dorky at all. They were approaching kinda clumsily, were insecure to go up to girls and dance with them etc. So I wouldn't exactly call these guys players, but they definitely looked good & cool. So I'd say the pay-off just based on looks alone is probably diminishing. But I don't think this is a big problem, looks is just one aspect of many anyway.

But yeah, there are some people who expect (or wish) that they get girls just based on the fact that they look Western - that is probably still possible somewhere in SEA, but I don't think in BKK. BKK is a huge international hub, so many tourists year-round, so I think just the Western angle alone is played out.

No offence lads but increasing your level of game is not going to repopulate the pool of attractive young women in any of your given travel destinations.

The uncomfortable truth has already being pointed out in this thread:

Quote: (09-25-2016 07:38 PM)jasond Wrote:  

Another big reason is declining birthrates around the globe, particularly in Eastern Europe. I documented this important fact in a previous post:

thread-51963.html

Basically, the supply of 20-year old girls is rapidly declining, due to falling birthrates. However, the supply of 30-40 year old men is not. Thus, the supply-demand curve is out of whack. This happens in any society where the fertility rate is 1.2, instead of 3.2

By the year 2020, you will have roughly the same number of men in Eastern Europe competing for HALF the number of 20-year old girls there were at the peak.

It's a combination of things for sure, but one big factor I do not see in this thread is that for some of you, your older age is doing you zero favors, as a perpetual player.

I warned a bunch of guys in their 40s about this very thing before I joined RVF (like around 2012 or 13) and they booed and hissed of course. The Philippines will probably be the last joint to fall, but the point is that older players are going to suffer the most. Some young guys might, but those would have probably been suffering back home most likely as well.

Put it to you like this.

Older Chinese men with businesses or good money all get laid. Their age doesn't matter. They will have a 2nd or 3rd wife more or less. The market flux you experience is not their problem.

Something Suits said a while back

Quote: (05-21-2016 12:17 AM)Suits Wrote:  

For those who are reading Fortis' and TK's posts with interest, it needs to be stated that the line between prostitution and a normal sexual relationship in Asian is very thin.

Of course, this is somewhat the case every where in the world. Girls the US more or expect men to pay for dates just have a shot at potentially accessing pussy.

If you look at some other stuff Suits has posted like this particular datasheet here.

You can easily see just how much game he has, especially in regards to outright tactics.

So he has mindset, awareness of the local cultures, language skills, and the ability to use tactics and adjust them at will. His rep number is high for a reason. He isn't old yet, but when he gets there, he is much less likely to struggle. He has built up his financial power while he has been abroad as well. By the time he is 40, if he has 2 million+ RMB saved up somewhere and was raking in 30-40K RMB a month, he could easily transition his party host game to a party boat instead. Party apartment may turn into a large party house.

If the rest of you started where he started in your mid thirties or 40s, gotta understand that to some degree you are possibly playing from behind.

Just getting off the plane and having a pulse kinda stopped working a couple years ago. What do you think is going to happen in next 5-10 years?

The natural progression for local alphas has never changed. They hit their stride in their 40s, and their access to pussy usually improves from when they were 25.

I spoke about this before, but some of you older guys in Asia are missing out on a legit strategy the local alphas use. They marry a woman that does not give a fuck what they do outside the house. When they go hunting some young girls would rather get a piece of action from that man, than a broke but handsome 25 year old. Them seeing a dude 35+ and single is a fucking red flag to them. You could be an axe murderer for all they know. A weirdo, you name it. Even divorced guy has more social proof than the never married "playman" in Asia. Married dudes get automatic social proof and are preselected. You just have to talk to them as usual and see if they mind or not.

Do they always give gifts or pay for it? Not necessarily. No one said you have to buy them shit or even make good on a weak promise. Do you do that with all of them? Hell no, because the locals will come on to you in a negative way.

Dan Bilzerian the forum hero gifts bitches and no one gives a shit here. He flies chicks out to him all the time. Keeps them up in his large pad and they are steady coming. No one gives a shit here about this.

Cleanslate said there is no free lunch. Well there is no such thing as free pussy either. It always costs something. If Dan is a hero here, none of you should find it distasteful to mimic him abroad to the best of your ability. When you are young, you have youthful energy to give. When you are older, you have to use leverage.

After my divorce, a 50 year old black natural taught me a ton of shit. He started a wine class in a restaurant room he rented. He pulls from that like a waterwell that has a bucket at the top. He pulls all the single black women in their 30s and occasionally a 20 something. This is something he does in America btw.

Do you guys think WestIndianArchie would struggle at 50 or even 60 outside the USA? He may not even struggle much inside. Anyone notice that one thing he and Suits have in common is that they have their dress game on lock down? Archie does not seem to use lots of tactics and props, but if he wanted to, he could. He seems to do things like create challenges for approaches and lays just for fucking fun. That should tell you where his mind is at when it comes to women. He also has his career on point. If you want to learn Suits and Archie's secrets, watch their progression. Look at their creativity. Look at the stubborn-like (aggressive) boldness at which they operate with.

Fast forward this to your 50s and 60s. If you players continue to not make adjustments in conjunction with your age, the local alpha men your age will be banging a 20 year old and you will be banging mostly a single mom that is 30+ looking for a green card, money, or both. If it costs you the same money dealing with them in proportion to what you earn. Who is winning on this?

If you are a bit older it is not too late. Anytime I talk to Vacancier Permanent or CleanSlate, guess what we talk about? Business. Both are a little older than me, but when I bring up the ladies and try to see what is up on that front, they change the subject back to business opportunities and partnership. VP outright tells me that he wants to stay focused right now and he can always play later. That's what we call long term strategy and sacrifice. Things real men are supposed to do. Things most men especially married ones are forced to do in one way or another.

You guys need to simulate something and form a good tenable strategy so that you won't be assed out in 10 years. Repeating the same game style over and over, year in and year out, is madness and may fail miserably on some arbitrary day like how a football player becomes old overnight and has to retire.

Quote: (09-26-2016 08:16 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

The uncomfortable truth has already being pointed out in this thread:

If I understood it correctly, this means that western countries have a major advantage over developing countries, because the fertility rate in most western countries has been more or less stable for the last 40 years at least. Would be interesting to do some math what is the relative effect of this compared to the well known shortcomings of the west, ie. in what quantity does it compensate for obesity epidemic, male-heavy immigration etc.

Wow this makes so much sense. Never viewed it like that. I remember hearing a few years but that most people hide the fact they were divorced out of embarrassment but more senior players would say play on it - pre selection. Girls like to know that at least they had the idea being settled down.