If you follow the travel forum threads about SEA, Eastern Europe and South America, the overall theme is that popular cities and countries (and even less popular ones) are getting played out. Examples include Bangkok, Kiev and Medellin, but pretty much every city which is supposed to be good for game is affected by this.

I think the root cause of this problem is that there are more single guys with time and money than ever before. No matter what they say about the shitty economy, the number of guys who can travel the world short and long term is greater than ever in 2016. This will only get worse (or better, depending on your perspective) in the future unless there is a "black swan" event, such as a major war, economic collapse or a worldwide epidemic.

Specific trends I have noticed and experienced myself:

-Air travel is cheaper than ever thanks to low oil prices. For those who use credit cards to get airmiles, ticket prices can be almost 0, but even if you pay cash, they are cheaper than ever relative to the average income.
-Technically, it is easier than ever to get a location independent job or set up a location independent business. Culturally, these things are becoming more common and don't raise eyebrows anymore.
-High speed internet is available in most countries - landline and mobile. Wifi is pretty much everywhere.
-Airbnb, hotel price aggregators and loyalty points made accommodation cheaper and easier to find. It is also much easier to avoid scams with apartment rentals thanks to Airbnb. As a result, landlords who rent off Airbnb have to step up their game too.
-Uber and similar apps made it cheaper to take a cab and easier to avoid scams
-It is easier than ever to get travel intel thanks to websites and forums like this one.
-Google Maps and Google Translate, coupled with mobile internet, made it easier than ever to navigate unfamiliar places and communicate with locals at least at a basic level.
-Last but not least, marriage is less and less common around the world, particularly in developed countries. The kind of guys who used to marry in mid 20s and spend their time and money on wife and kids, are now traveling the world and banging sluts.

Unfortunately, I can't think of any good solutions to this problem other than getting off the beaten path and going to places that haven't become mainstream. As the saying goes, everything popular is wrong.

Of course, we should also maximize our "SMV" to be able to succeed even in "played out" places, but that kind of goes without saying. Speaking of which, I'm off to the gym.

Excuse me for stating the obvious but data sheets and forums exactly like this are not helping.
It is kind of like finding a secret surfing or fishing spot. You want to tell people but you know you can't otherwise you will ruin it for yourself.

I think Brodiaga is making valid points here. "Supply and demand" is outscoring us.

Scenario 1: Put one guy in a room of three girls and see what happens.
Scenario 2: make one of the girls leave and see what happens when the door bells ring and 4 young well moneyed blokes roll in.

On a sidenote: I was on DIA and texted a Filipina, she was nothing special, just the ordinary pinay. Told me she has 600 unread messages.
Texted a good looking one in her 20s , while she was online.. she couldn't even be bothered.

Sadly, it's the beginning of the end for geo pussy arbitrage, and no amount of "game" or looksmaxing will make up for it.

New subsection should be Language Learning & Hacks.

It's only over when you get those automatic voice translation apps.

And maybe this will inspire some to join the Meme War and help do their small part in destroying SJW culture so our own countries can be great again.

Welcome to globalization, my friends.

Quote: (09-25-2016 12:49 PM)mttt Wrote:  

I think Brodiaga is making valid points here. "Supply and demand" is outscoring us.

Scenario 1: Put one guy in a room of three girls and see what happens.
Scenario 2: make one of the girls leave and see what happens when the door bells ring and 4 young well moneyed blokes roll in.

On a sidenote: I was on DIA and texted a Filipina, she was nothing special, just the ordinary pinay. Told me she has 600 unread messages.
Texted a good looking one in her 20s , while she was online.. she couldn't even be bothered.

Brodiaga's points are all accurate and on point, but the possibly the major factor resides here, and there is nothing we can do about it. Online game and dating apps turned the global sex/dating market upside down. There are no limits as to what many guys can go or do in order to fulfill their needs. Nowadays you can reach out to someone in the Siberian tundra or in the Vietnamese jungle...and then physically travel to these locations.

And on a more sociological and less technological standpoint (though both are intrinsically related) the amount of regular to good looking men who are not getting laid in the West, or in happy LTR's is growing by each passing day, the consumerist and frugal western society is at his apex, where women do not have the ability to value a good man, because in fact, most of them are a rare resource in a world of white knights, gamma/beta, SJW's, social retards, incels, and the few alpha players who can game them...

So the guys who have the knowledge and the means (I still think they are very few) go for searching greener pastures, and to places that at least up until recently are guaranteed of having easy and quality pussy (Kiev, Bangkok, Medellin).

As for Kiev, I think much of what has been wrote here in the forum about being depleted and full of foreigner PUA's nowadays, does not match my experience, since I have always seen the city full of foreigners since 2012 my first trip there, and a well done guy should have nothing to worry about if by chance there is an increase in the influx of male tourists in the order of 10 to 20%. There is still plenty of women for everyone, and guaranteed (like always) that the less prepared to succeed will certainly fail.

Quote: (09-25-2016 12:55 PM)erikak Wrote:  

Sadly, it's the beginning of the end for geo pussy arbitrage, and no amount of "game" or looksmaxing will make up for it.

Bullshit. Your a broken record, you have shared this exact sentiment in half of your posts and others have called you out for it. Stop projecting your defeatist attitude on the forum.

The game is over for weak guys like you unwilling to adapt/self improve.

Have you seen the pageviews on some of these threads?

Solution, use game to settle in LTRs. Would stop you both from being single, and from having too much money

If casual sex without reproduction is the norm, then it stands to reason there will be less girls for future generations because no ones reproducing. The uncomfortable truth is the player lifestyle is not sustainable, especially on such a large scale.

Game is not about going to 'easy' places such as SE Asia and getting easy notches. It is about knowing that any given night in any given city on earth you can have a girl that will be willing to go on a date that can lead her to dropping her panties. When destinations are overrun so to speak you can either sit and complain or adapt and raise your standard of game.

The more Game-saturated an area gets, the higher the level of Game you have to provide to produce the same results acheived in the past. Kind of how bacteria develop resistance to common antibiotics. Women in these areas will need tighter Game to be seduced in the future.

This should keep your Game from getting stale, but you are also operating at a higher level, and producing more Game for the same pussy.

The Game has to keep elevating even though the basic fundamentals and principles remain the same.

^ Have to agree with most of the statements above. I'm currently in Kiev. Struggling my ass off but, overall I realize that the problem isn't the women. The problem is my game isn't where it needs to be. So back to the drawing board and keep on plugging away.

I would rather be in a city surrounded by beautiful women and struggling then back in the states surrounded by fat feminists thinking there 8's.

Quote: (09-25-2016 01:50 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Have you seen the pageviews on some of these threads?

Yeah lurkers abound, especially in the minority focused travel threads. That niche is rarely written about online.

Latin guys who love blondes: 43 posts 54,000 views.


Asian guy travel thread: 468 posts but 176,000 views!


Best cities for black guys: 2,888 posts 831,000 views!!

As with all living things, the environment changes and one must adapt. The ones that don't are left out of the playing board.
Why should game be any different?

Ask yourself this question: Was your life the same a year or ten ago?
Was your father's life de identical to his father's?

Quote: (09-25-2016 02:20 PM)Schlep Wrote:  

^ Have to agree with most of the statements above. I'm currently in Kiev. Struggling my ass off but, overall I realize that the problem isn't the women. The problem is my game isn't where it needs to be. So back to the drawing board and keep on plugging away.

I would rather be in a city surrounded by beautiful women and struggling then back in the states surrounded by fat feminists thinking there 8's.

Ukraine is an amazing playground to test and caliber your game, enjoy the ride. "t's the journey that matters, not the destination."

The golden years have come and gone but it still beats this

Learning game in Western countries


Being a Beta provider to some hog


But still.....RVF big guns meetup in "played out" locations

IMO this thread should be titled "Why popular freebie destinations now require actual game"

I agree with the causes though, that is accurate.

But as always, so long as you're willing to work for it and tolerate some risk, there's rewards to be had.

I've no doubt that there are dozens of locations members have discovered that they're keeping quiet about. No need to have it broadcasted 24/7 on the Internet where any thirsty man who types "where should I go to get laid" can find it.

As long as there are non tourist friendly cities amd language barriers, that bed still has cool spots.

And even the "played out" places are 10x better than grinding life out in Australia.

Quote: (09-25-2016 02:21 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Asian guy travel thread: 468 posts but 176,000 views!

I don't really care about this too much bc we Asians are perceived as quiet shy reserved people around the world anyways, haha.

Quote: (09-25-2016 03:18 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

The golden years have come and gone but it still beats this

Learning game in Western countries


Being a Beta provider to some hog


But still.....RVF big guns meetup in "played out" locations

Ahahaha, repped, that's acurrate.

As I am predicting, gaming will only get harder and harder. And you will see it happen quickly, within the next few years.

Its not because of some draconian law in the UK which prevents men from talking to women. Or younger women denying sex in place for cuddling.

Its because massive amounts of men are now game aware. Either in actually learning game, or just approaching for the first time. Or refusing to be beta any longer. And to the far end, denying LTR's to become the guy a girl has fun with, and thats it, no LTR's or becoming the inevitable beta boy bitch.

Look at the rise of Mike C. Who started here. And within two years, one of the largest voices in media. Its truly remarkable. And as more and more men agree with Mike and make him massive, they dig a little into D&P, and ROK, and RVF, and now, we have hoards of new men who are game aware. And now, men learning game for the first time. I am willing to bet on it.

So you are notice guys. There is a lot of new competition. The narrative is changing in pop culture. A rising tide lifts all ships. Make sure your boat sea worthy.

Quote: (09-25-2016 11:42 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

If you follow the travel forum threads about SEA, Eastern Europe and South America, the overall theme is that popular cities and countries (and even less popular ones) are getting played out. Examples include Bangkok, Kiev and Medellin, but pretty much every city which is supposed to be good for game is affected by this.

I think the root cause of this problem is that there are more single guys with time and money than ever before. No matter what they say about the shitty economy, the number of guys who can travel the world short and long term is greater than ever in 2016. This will only get worse (or better, depending on your perspective) in the future unless there is a "black swan" event, such as a major war, economic collapse or a worldwide epidemic.

Specific trends I have noticed and experienced myself:

-Air travel is cheaper than ever thanks to low oil prices. For those who use credit cards to get airmiles, ticket prices can be almost 0, but even if you pay cash, they are cheaper than ever relative to the average income.
-Technically, it is easier than ever to get a location independent job or set up a location independent business. Culturally, these things are becoming more common and don't raise eyebrows anymore.
-High speed internet is available in most countries - landline and mobile. Wifi is pretty much everywhere.
-Airbnb, hotel price aggregators and loyalty points made accommodation cheaper and easier to find. It is also much easier to avoid scams with apartment rentals thanks to Airbnb. As a result, landlords who rent off Airbnb have to step up their game too.
-Uber and similar apps made it cheaper to take a cab and easier to avoid scams
-It is easier than ever to get travel intel thanks to websites and forums like this one.
-Google Maps and Google Translate, coupled with mobile internet, made it easier than ever to navigate unfamiliar places and communicate with locals at least at a basic level.
-Last but not least, marriage is less and less common around the world, particularly in developed countries. The kind of guys who used to marry in mid 20s and spend their time and money on wife and kids, are now traveling the world and banging sluts.

Unfortunately, I can't think of any good solutions to this problem other than getting off the beaten path and going to places that haven't become mainstream. As the saying goes, everything popular is wrong.

Of course, we should also maximize our "SMV" to be able to succeed even in "played out" places, but that kind of goes without saying. Speaking of which, I'm off to the gym.

NO, it's the interenet, sites like this one. In the old days, there were actually niche, token jobs for Caucasians in otherwise racially excluding countries.

It's sites like these that give out the info. Most people can't stay for but a few days abroad, so they act unethically to get the flag. This ruins the perception of us.

I think the problems are macro:

1. Obesity in the West removing a large section of women from the pool.
Solution: sugar/soda taxes
2. Expensive housing in the West dissuading the young from settling down.
Solution: Land value taxes, free up land supply, cut immigration (see below)
3. An excess of males from India, Pakistan, Middle East etc. Typically these men hassle and perv on women, reducing their keenness for guys.
Solution: limit immigration to 50/50 Male/Female from these trouble countries.