Quote: (09-11-2016 03:45 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I imagine teh numbers for most guys will be much higher in general now due to tinder though? Kind of takes the 'game' element out of it?

I mean, lots of my friends just swipe all day, match, and then they just meet in a hotel room and bang. Like, zero game required.

I bet the average lays per person has sky-rocketed since tinder

Doubtful. In fact, it's likely the complete opposite.

It has done to sexual inequality what things like free trade, financial deregulation and lower marginal tax rates has done to income inequality in the United States. Tinder is basically sexual quantitative easing - it has given the top 1% an even greater and more efficient mechanism for wealth/pussy accumulation, to the detriment of everyone else.

I'll illustrate with a short anecdote. A friend of mine that I went through college with was the archetypical player - good looking, ripped, outgoing personality, the works. I caught a sight of his Tinder once as we were hanging out. He had somewhere on the order of 2500 matches total. He told me at length about how girls on Tinder were insanely thirsty.

Think about it. Men like him live in a completely alternate reality from the vast majority of the rest of the populace.

Now include the fact that most non-game aware young men in our society are being increasingly conditioned to rely on online game as the primary, if not the sole method, of opening/meeting girls. A method that, unlike cold approaching, removes all aspect of personality, vibe, character from the interaction, and reduces it down to facial/body aesthetics. It's no surprise that (as mentioned in the Slate article I copied above) the millennial generation is having less lifetime sexual partners, on average, than generations preceding. Even the greater and greater accumulation of pussy by the top 1% of the sexual marketplace isn't enough to keep the average up.

All of the new developments that we have seen in game over the last 15-20 years have made sexual inequality worse over time. And as Tinder and OKCupid and all the other online dating apps start to degrade in actual quality, we're starting to see significant movement to things like SeekingArrangement - where we can throw actual economic inequality into the seuxal marketplace to go with the already-extant sexual inequality.

It would not be at all surprising if, within the next 15-20 years, sex itself becomes the sole preserve of the upper and elite classes of men in our society.

I see what you're saying, but maybe there's another group of guys benefiting from it.

Like, lots of my friends who get endless lays on tinder are the same guys who used to get laid every weekend through chatting up girls.

However, I'm referring to people I know who are 'fairly' good looking guys, but they are just rubbish with girls. Too scared too approach, and when they do, they tend to mess it up. But these same guys (I guess you could say they have 'no game') are doing very well on tinder!

I know I am in the three digits only because I started fucking when I was 12 and now I am in my mid forties and I fucked an insane amount of women in my twenties and thirties. My question is this: Who actually keeps track of the number of women they have slept with? I can't even remember the names of most of the women I have slept with. I can't see how anyone who has had lots of partners has the time or wherewithal to keep track. I couldn't count every woman I have ever slept with even if I wanted to. It seems awfully insecure and anti-abundance mindset. Do you guys keep spreadsheets or something?

Quote: (09-11-2016 11:38 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

I started fucking when I was 12

This is why you don't understand.

Quote: (09-11-2016 11:38 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

Do you guys keep spreadsheets or something?

Basically. I just don't think treating sex as a bodily function is good form. It should have at least some significance, as should the girl, enough that it and they warrant at least a record. Even if was significant for bad reasons. Making that record only takes 10 seconds, so it's hardly a burden.
I see no virtue in trivializing sex.

I have a photo of every girl, bar a couple that I couldn't get a pic of. It's nice to remember.

So if I changed my age from 23 to 50, I go from 96% to 76%.

To stay in the range I need to bang 96 girls by age 50, about 3 per year which is quite doable.

Edit: Also, the only guys blaming tinder for their problems are the ones who lack game. Tinder just cuts through the crap and makes things more efficient.

I don't think anyone is blaming tinder for their 'problems'? I think the opposite. Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:34 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I don't think anyone is blaming tinder for their 'problems'? I think the opposite. Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

You still need game to close. You can be a billionaire or a football player but 'spergs gonna 'sperg and scare the girl.

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:51 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:34 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I don't think anyone is blaming tinder for their 'problems'? I think the opposite. Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

You still need game to close. You can be a billionaire or a football player but 'spergs gonna 'sperg and scare the girl.

My friends apparently don't say 2 words to the girl so i'm not sure you could call it 'game'. They often just meet girls in hotel rooms (or sometimes their house) and just get straight to the sex.

I guess part of the 'trick' is to screen the girls in your messages. I think my friends make it 100% clear that they are meeting to have sex (no game required since you can copy and paste that sort of stuff) and from there on, it's just a matter of hoping that the girl doesn't flake

Quote: (09-11-2016 11:38 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

I know I am in the three digits only because I started fucking when I was 12 and now I am in my mid forties and I fucked an insane amount of women in my twenties and thirties. My question is this: Who actually keeps track of the number of women they have slept with? I can't even remember the names of most of the women I have slept with. I can't see how anyone who has had lots of partners has the time or wherewithal to keep track. I couldn't count every woman I have ever slept with even if I wanted to. It seems awfully insecure and anti-abundance mindset. Do you guys keep spreadsheets or something?

I lost count through college, but I started keeping a spreadsheet a couple years ago

The only players I know with high notch counts can only offer rough estimates. I could see how younger guys with less experience could actually remember every single encounter. I just find it strange when people can offer an actual number unless its a very low one.

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:51 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:34 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I don't think anyone is blaming tinder for their 'problems'? I think the opposite. Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

You still need game to close. You can be a billionaire or a football player but 'spergs gonna 'sperg and scare the girl.

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:57 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:51 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:34 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I don't think anyone is blaming tinder for their 'problems'? I think the opposite. Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

You still need game to close. You can be a billionaire or a football player but 'spergs gonna 'sperg and scare the girl.

My friends apparently don't say 2 words to the girl so i'm not sure you could call it 'game'. They often just meet girls in hotel rooms (or sometimes their house) and just get straight to the sex.

I guess part of the 'trick' is to screen the girls in your messages. I think my friends make it 100% clear that they are meeting to have sex (no game required since you can copy and paste that sort of stuff) and from there on, it's just a matter of hoping that the girl doesn't flake

This is the kind of thing i'm talking about. Found it on another forum talking about girls/tinder.

This guy sounds like he has zero game and is scared too approach, but he's only in his mid 20's i believe, and is knocking on the door of 100 girls, almost exclusively through tinder

Quote: (09-12-2016 03:22 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

The only players I know with high notch counts can only offer rough estimates. I could see how younger guys with less experience could actually remember every single encounter. I just find it strange when people can offer an actual number unless its a very low one.

Are we reading the same forum?

Most guys here are not players with high notch counts. They are guys learning game and trying to get better with women. As we've seen in this thread, most guys are nowhere near 100, and probably will never reach it. If everyone here was out picking up hundreds of notches there wouldn't be 300,000 posts on this forum asking about how to pick women. If you were really fucking girls when you were 12, then you are an outlier and won't relate.

But I presume you already know all this and are just trying to rustle feathers.

I got turned out at 12. I didn't start collecting notches en masse or even understanding that pussy has to be actively pursued until I was around 17 and started playing in bands with other Islanders and Carribeans that I learned that it was a competition and men were measuring their worth through their notch count. When I was in high school I had unbeleviably high standards and really only nailed pussy that fell in my lap or I really, really wanted badly. When I started spending time around experienced players who were twice my age who many had basketball if not futbol teams of kids, I realized the squeaky wheel gets the grease and while I was happy to accept quality pussy occasionally falling in my lap that chasing and womanizing women even if it meant sexing 5's and 6's was more fulfilling and proactive and made me feel more in control of my own destiny. Some of the guys who inspired me to be a player while often scraping the literal bottom of the barrel, also gave me the inspiration to pursue women as a matter of pride and self confidence.

I am many an outlier due to my basic circumstances but I also had large hurdles to clear as far as race and height.

I don't think anything I have done is unattainable even if I did get a head start on game.

100 is totally attainable in the age of Pandora's open box.

100+ bangs?

For an average guy, that is really, really good.

For a below average guy, that is amazing.

For an above average guy, that is very attainable.

For an elite guy, that is easy.

Of course, there are so many factors involved like sex drive, priorities, location, looks, $, game, desire, personality, etc.

Not every man feels the need to constantly pursue new notches. Every man has his own psychological and biological needs.

Don't worry about the psycho-sexual needs and habits of other men.. Be focused on improving the quality of your own life.

I know some great men who do not feel a need to bang countless women.

Quote: (09-12-2016 10:34 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Tinder is good and is making it possible for people to get lots of bangs without needing to have 'game'.

Nowadays,

Creating an attractive online profile IS GAME.

The ability to take attractive pictures IS GAME.

The efficiency with which one uses dating apps IS GAME.

The ability to write short, witty, and funny texts IS GAME.

Having tight logistics for dates IS GAME.

The ability to smoothly transition from online to a real life meet up IS GAME.

And, of course, even if you meet a girl online, you still have to see her face to face and get her clothes off and your dick inside of her so.. Closing skills, killer instinct, and confidence are still very much part of the process.

No longer is game just the ability to talk to chicks IN REAL LIFE.. In today's high tech world, "game" itself has become more technologically advanced.

Evolve or Die!

yeah, I agree with that Giovonny. Like, you could definitely argue that the ability to take a good picture is 'game', I suppose

But it's a hell of a lot easier than meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her! In fact, most of what you desribed as 'game' could pretty much be copy/pasted from someone else or even automated
Or failing that, if I need a 'witty text' I could quickly ask teh guys on the tinder thread on reddit or something.
You don't really have that luxury talking to a girl in a pub

As for the actual meet, i think it depends on screening the girls (again, you could call this 'game')

My friends who could NEVER EVER pull a girl in a club, get laid on tinder, simply because they don't need to talk to the girl in person, other than 'hi', 'OK, lets do this' after they meet in a hotel and have already talked about sex. (never a hint of LMR so no closing skills required etc - if she's turned up and he looks like his pic, then the deal is done!)
I mean, did you see that pic i posted a few posts up? If 'in person' 'game' , or the abililty to get past LMR was required, that guy who was too scared to approach strangers would have never got close to 100 bangs!

Either way, I think it's pretty good, and something I'm looking to get into, as i'm never gonna hit a high notch count with approaching girls in real life, and from reading various pickup forums, it does seem that tinder makes up the bulk of peoples numbers now. Waiting for a new smart phone to arrive from ebay to get tindering!

Number of women dated: 1
Number of women bedded: 1
Number of women married: 1

Not oneitis, just efficiency. Now time to make money so I can afford multiple kids.

Quote: (09-13-2016 01:23 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

My friends who could NEVER EVER pull a girl in a club, get laid on tinder, simply because they don't need to talk to the girl in person, other than 'hi', 'OK, lets do this' after they meet in a hotel and have already talked about sex. (never a hint of LMR so no closing skills required etc - if she's turned up and he looks like his pic, then the deal is done!)

Do you friends show you any photos of said tinder girls they're banging?

I have guy mates who also give it the whole 'yeah she came straight over to my apartment and was banging after 10 minutes'. I take it all with a massive pinch of salt. Particularly after they tend to be reluctant/unable to provide you with a photo of said chick, whom they assure you is super hot of course...

Never underestimate the amount of bullshit and big talk guys will give it in the locker room to impress their mates.

Heh usually when I bang a girl, I send a snap chat to the guys on my list.

Never fails and is bonafide proof.

Granted I'm a pessimist but you can tell dudes who pull cuties and ones who probably pull donkeys.

Quote: (09-13-2016 05:57 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

Number of women dated: 1
Number of women bedded: 1
Number of women married: 1

Not oneitis, just efficiency. Now time to make money so I can afford multiple kids.

How is that efficient?

Quote: (09-13-2016 06:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh usually when I bang a girl, I send a snap chat to the guys on my list.

Never fails and is bonafide proof.

You need to prove to your guy friends that you got laid? Goddamn Generation Cupcake.

All I've ever told my friends when they asked about me hooking up with a girl is, "We had fun last night. She's great."

This new Cupcake Generation needs continual positive feedback and a pat on your back from your facespace friends. Do you think Sean Connery has to snapchat his buddies when he gets laid to improve his self image? He was James Bond. He doesn't need someone to tell him he's cool for getting some ass.

But you Cupcakes need to get a pat on your backs for every achievement. So, here's my congratulations for you. Good for you man, you got laid.

There's a saying in college football when you get to the endzone and over-celebrate. "Act like you've been there before."

Quote: (09-13-2016 07:55 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

Quote: (09-13-2016 06:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh usually when I bang a girl, I send a snap chat to the guys on my list.

Never fails and is bonafide proof.

You need to prove to your guy friends that you got laid? Goddamn Generation Cupcake.

All I've ever told my friends when they asked about me hooking up with a girl is, "We had fun last night. She's great."

This new Cupcake Generation needs continual positive feedback and a pat on your back from your facespace friends. Do you think Sean Connery has to snapchat his buddies when he gets laid to improve his self image? He was James Bond. He doesn't need someone to tell him he's cool for getting some ass.

But you Cupcakes need to get a pat on your backs for every achievement. So, here's my congratulations for you. Good for you man, you got laid.

There's a saying in college football when you get to the endzone and over-celebrate. "Act like you've been there before."

I think rather than proving he got laid he's talking about proof of quality

thanks for the great example of locker room big talk tho...

Quote: (09-13-2016 09:39 PM)Irish Wrote:  

I think rather than proving he got laid he's talking about proof of quality

thanks for the great example of locker room big talk tho...

Act like you've been there before. If you have to send pictures of a girl to your friends to prove you got laid, then you have some serious self esteem issues.

Quote: (09-13-2016 09:55 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

Quote: (09-13-2016 09:39 PM)Irish Wrote:  

I think rather than proving he got laid he's talking about proof of quality

thanks for the great example of locker room big talk tho...

Act like you've been there before. If you have to send pictures of a girl to your friends to prove you got laid, then you have some serious self esteem issues.