Quote: (09-07-2016 03:23 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

I'm over 100 now. probably 120 or 130.

But... I was below 10 until I was 33 or so.

Damn, that sounds unusual! How on earth did that happen?

I'm nearly your age and have a count of 5 - I'm useless!!

4 of those were before I learned a thing about 'game', too

So you could argue that reading about game has 'hurt' me, but that might not be fair, since those 4 lays were either social circle lays, or where I was lucky enough for the girl to pull me, and the only lay I ever got from approaching strangers was 1 day after finishing my first ever game book! But complete rejections since that lucky night

Anyway, i'd be interested in your story

I've fucked well over 100 women. 90% of them are american though. I need to visit South America, Europe, and some of these Asian countries though. Some guys on here really be running through girls.

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:27 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:23 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

I'm over 100 now. probably 120 or 130.

But... I was below 10 until I was 33 or so.

Damn, that sounds unusual! How on earth did that happen?

I'm nearly your age and have a count of 5 - I'm useless!!

4 of those were before I learned a thing about 'game', too

So you could argue that reading about game has 'hurt' me, but that might not be fair, since those 4 lays were either social circle lays, or where I was lucky enough for the girl to pull me, and the only lay I ever got from approaching strangers was 1 day after finishing my first ever game book! But complete rejections since that lucky night

Anyway, i'd be interested in your story

Basically I was the worst of the blue pill for most of my life. I had no one to teach me the true nature of women. I followed my mom's advice, and was an exceeding gentlemen to women. I was a true romantic too thinking if I treated a woman nice enough she would fall on love with me.

And I actually had "anti-game". There were multiple times in college when women would end in in my bed down to their panties. Sometimes they would say something like, "I don't know - should we do this?" And I would mull it over out loud like some philosophical question and decide if the girl was having doubts that it wouldn't be right for anything to happen. When in reality it was the most token of LMR - probably more frustration that I hadn't taken off her panties yet.

I was a total hornball - but I just had it in my mind that sex would equal committed relationship - I didn't even have a clue that women could be okay with just having sex for fun. So I would either pass on sex with girls I didn't want as girlfriends, or I would try to girlfriend up women in the most awkward non-sexual way possible with the idea that once they were my girlfriend it would be legit to sex them.

My transformation took place through knowing a dark triad player and reading old David DeAngelo then other manosphere stuff including The Game.

I missed out on tons of poon in my younger years. Hot poon literally in my bed begging for it. *forehead slap* I don't pass it by anymore though!

Don't know if this is the thread for it, but if you have specific things you need growth in, post in in the appropriate thread and let me know and I'll give whatever help I can.

Quote: (09-07-2016 11:53 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:27 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:23 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

I'm over 100 now. probably 120 or 130.

But... I was below 10 until I was 33 or so.

Damn, that sounds unusual! How on earth did that happen?

I'm nearly your age and have a count of 5 - I'm useless!!

4 of those were before I learned a thing about 'game', too

So you could argue that reading about game has 'hurt' me, but that might not be fair, since those 4 lays were either social circle lays, or where I was lucky enough for the girl to pull me, and the only lay I ever got from approaching strangers was 1 day after finishing my first ever game book! But complete rejections since that lucky night

Anyway, i'd be interested in your story

Basically I was the worst of the blue pill for most of my life. I had no one to teach me the true nature of women. I followed my mom's advice, and was an exceeding gentlemen to women. I was a true romantic too thinking if I treated a woman nice enough she would fall on love with me.

And I actually had "anti-game". There were multiple times in college when women would end in in my bed down to their panties. Sometimes they would say something like, "I don't know - should we do this?" And I would mull it over out loud like some philosophical question and decide if the girl was having doubts that it wouldn't be right for anything to happen. When in reality it was the most token of LMR - probably more frustration that I hadn't taken off her panties yet.

I was a total hornball - but I just had it in my mind that sex would equal committed relationship - I didn't even have a clue that women could be okay with just having sex for fun. So I would either pass on sex with girls I didn't want as girlfriends, or I would try to girlfriend up women in the most awkward non-sexual way possible with the idea that once they were my girlfriend it would be legit to sex them.

My transformation took place through knowing a dark triad player and reading old David DeAngelo then other manosphere stuff including The Game.

I missed out on tons of poon in my younger years. Hot poon literally in my bed begging for it. *forehead slap* I don't pass it by anymore though!

Don't know if this is the thread for it, but if you have specific things you need growth in, post in in the appropriate thread and let me know and I'll give whatever help I can.

Interesting. funny. I when I was a virgin, I had a few occasions of teenage girls in my bed at night, and me not doing anything about it at all!

I don't have that problem anymore, but I never have them kind of opportunities anymore either! I have a journal here if you get bored enough to read it! I could potentially be alost cause though.

I'd be happy if I could reach like 10 lays before I die, so I guess it's kind of possible. But I note that most guys success on here comes from tinder, and I get like zero matches, so it's another spanner in the works

Quote: (09-08-2016 03:15 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I'd be happy if I could reach like 10 lays before I die, so I guess it's kind of possible. But I note that most guys success on here comes from tinder, and I get like zero matches, so it's another spanner in the works

Focus time on working on improving yourself and your game. Stick with it. Get out of the house and get approaching rather than being one of the 99% of dudes hiding behind a dating app spamming copy&paste messages at 6s.

Put in the hard yards and a year or two from now you'll look back on that statement and I guarantee you'll both laugh and simultaneously cringe at yourself...

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For the average man: 100 is unbelievable. 100 is insane. 100 is untouchable.

I agree with this. You are talking about the upper tail of the bell curve. I bet it's a truncated bell curve as well, with many many more who get nothing.

Quote: (09-08-2016 03:15 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

I'd be happy if I could reach like 10 lays before I die, so I guess it's kind of possible. But I note that most guys success on here comes from tinder, and I get like zero matches, so it's another spanner in the works

You sound defeatist, and your mindset is wrong. Good game starts from the inside. Got to turn that mess around.

Tinder isn't good for game, and I don't rely on Tinder for anything. It has only further skewed the game for the top 1%. Good looking guys enjoy an abundance of matches. Average looking guys get nothing. Strauss is short, bald and below average looking. He mastered the game in the field, but on Tinder he would have imploded. Unless I'm traveling I get nothing on Tinder. I must have swiped over 1,000 girls at home and I've had one bang - a 6.

If you're serious about improving your game, uninstall Tinder and start approaching. Post your progress in the newbie forum and ask questions about things that are challenging you. 10 lays is 1 lay per year for the next 10 years. Anyone can achieve that with a little effort.

100 is an exceptionally high number. Heck, I would consider 20 to be pretty darn high if you're still in your twenties.

I guessed my notch count to be more than 40 but when I actually went through it was greater than 26 but nowhere near 40. It felt like a lot more because of all the effort, time, and energy I put into it. One is reminded of National Geographic articles where males walruses spend an absurd amount of energy getting blubbery pussy.

I remember every single one vividly because some part of me loved every girl, at least enough to be as intimate as one could possibly be to another human being.

I'll just put a summary of my <low> notch count which this thread has made me think a bit about. Be advised I am a 44 year old graying chubby man. I would put myself as a 5, possibly a 6.

And now for some female counting of my bangs...
--Only six were repeat business.
--Only 4 lasted more than a month.
--2 virgins.
--True bang count is 2-4.

Breaking that number down over the past six years;
--24 girls in six years, or about one every 3 months, but misleading because I would usually have 2-3 new girls within a one week period, and even occasionally two new girls within a single day. Then absolutely no girls despite my best efforts for six months or so. Preselection is real, and is better than game or looks.
--4 lasted more than a month. Interestingly all were met first in real life (not online).
--2 with condoms.
--4 over the age of 24.
--Most met in real life. I have virtually a zero response rate for online dating except this one teen who messaged me first on OKCupid when I was around 38. I thought it was a troll but didn't care 'cause I was lonely and bored, I drive over, pick her up and it is this tall slim extremely pretty white girl; I had my seats folded down in my POS Kia hatchback that smells of Newport cigs and cheap beer from an unsuccessful camping trip from a few weeks ago, and after she gets in my car and shakes my hand (WTF?) she then immedietly hops in the back and gets completely naked. This is a public street in front of her parents house, hmm but ok I start having sex with her faster than I ever have with anyone else in my life but there seems to be a problem as she is, apparently, a virgin. Sure, she had texted me several times that she was but I thought she was lying. I persevere as I am no gentleman; no condom, no problem, and of course she isn't on birth control. I come in her after 10 minutes; she hops out half-naked from my car and she never texts or communicates with me again. My plaintive texts go unanswered. I clean the blood out of my car, and come to the absolute realization that I will never ever own anything that isn't a hatchback just in case another opportunity like this presents itself. This whole incident leaves me in equal parts horny, depressed and irritated for months. I imagine this is what a drive-by shooting crossed with a pizza delivery man in an upper-middle class neighborhood would look like, except she didn't leave a tip. This was before I bought Roosh's books and realized what sick fucks girls are.
--...but no, I have had virtually no success with online dating sites.
--I usually cannot pull girls above the age of 24 even if my life depended upon it...
--...but I don't get repeat business from them.
--The majority are lawyers, then nurses, then physicists, and math majors. Three were athletes with scholars. Two were PhD holders and it seems college degrees were way overrepresented.
--One gymnast. 24. Er, everything you hear about gymnast is true. Anime addict.
--A lot of foreign girls.
--No apparent sluts or party girls. The girls that appear the easiest shut me down almost instantly.
--4 were fat and ugly. One was an ex-wife. Ugh just shoot me...

Therefore an astonishing 20 out of 24 either ghosted on me or I ghosted on them (mostly the former). I find that depressing.

So I would put my notch count, really, somewhere between 2-4 because all the other notches don't count. To misquote Milan Kundera, something that happens once, then becomes a faded memory might as well as not have happened.

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:48 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Once you get good it's just a matter of effort and time. 12 a year on average is a bit over 8 years of gaming (22-29yo). Most guys who have the ability get bored before 100

Underrated reply.

WIA

Roissey on Chateau Heartiste said, if I remember right (and I can't find the post) that he thought the magic number was 250 so a man wouldn't feel like he had missed out on anything. However, I've also heard players say that they started getting bored with it as they closed in on 100.

Quote: (09-08-2016 03:46 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:48 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Once you get good it's just a matter of effort and time. 12 a year on average is a bit over 8 years of gaming (22-29yo). Most guys who have the ability get bored before 100

Underrated reply.

WIA

Roissey on Chateau Heartiste said, if I remember right (and I can't find the post) that he thought the magic number was 250 so a man wouldn't feel like he had missed out on anything. However, I've also heard players say that they started getting bored with it as they closed in on 100.

I've banged around 70 girls or so and am already kind of bored. In economic terms this is called "diminishing marginal utility".

Quote: (09-08-2016 03:46 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:48 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Once you get good it's just a matter of effort and time. 12 a year on average is a bit over 8 years of gaming (22-29yo). Most guys who have the ability get bored before 100

Underrated reply.

WIA

Roissey on Chateau Heartiste said, if I remember right (and I can't find the post) that he thought the magic number was 250 so a man wouldn't feel like he had missed out on anything. However, I've also heard players say that they started getting bored with it as they closed in on 100.

I passed 100 some point last year and was already bored at that point.

Well rather than "bored" was more a case of having realised the pointlessness of chasing notches for the sake of it. I still had a bit of drive tho as 'bang 100 women' was the last remaining goal of the all the targets that I had set myself when I first got into this 5 years ago.

So kinda wanted to smash that personal target so I could say I achieved everything I initially set out to achieve in the beginning. Now I can safely say that I have zero interest in chasing notches

A girl I was dating years ago related a conversation she had with her Dad who went through highscool and college in the 1970's.

She overheard her Dad and her sister having a conversation in the other room and her sister asked her Dad how many girls he had slept with.

He answered over 750.

She rushed into the room, "What! 750?!"

Her Dad answered that in college he and his buddy had a bet with who could get to 750 first. Her Dad won a year or two after college. Then he got married around 25.

I met her Dad. I don't think there was anything remarkable about him. Things were just different in those days (1970's). Older business guys have told me that everyone hit happy hours after work (not the gym) and it was pretty much if you wanted to go home with someone you could any night of the week.

750? Damn. That's the highest number i've heard of from anyone who isn't like a celebrity or something.

Like I said, I know a guy in his late 20's on 500 bangs, but he is model good looking, 6ft5, ripped, and his work/lifestyle put him smack-bang in the middle of horny impressionable, drunk 16 year old girls.

I think I heard Russell Brands best friend once say he must be approaching 1000!! haha. crazy. Although he was both famous, had naturally good game, AND he was a sex addict, so I guess I can believe it!

Quote: (09-07-2016 11:53 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 04:27 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 03:23 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

I'm over 100 now. probably 120 or 130.

But... I was below 10 until I was 33 or so.

Damn, that sounds unusual! How on earth did that happen?

I'm nearly your age and have a count of 5 - I'm useless!!

4 of those were before I learned a thing about 'game', too

So you could argue that reading about game has 'hurt' me, but that might not be fair, since those 4 lays were either social circle lays, or where I was lucky enough for the girl to pull me, and the only lay I ever got from approaching strangers was 1 day after finishing my first ever game book! But complete rejections since that lucky night

Anyway, i'd be interested in your story

Basically I was the worst of the blue pill for most of my life. I had no one to teach me the true nature of women. I followed my mom's advice, and was an exceeding gentlemen to women. I was a true romantic too thinking if I treated a woman nice enough she would fall on love with me.

And I actually had "anti-game". There were multiple times in college when women would end in in my bed down to their panties. Sometimes they would say something like, "I don't know - should we do this?" And I would mull it over out loud like some philosophical question and decide if the girl was having doubts that it wouldn't be right for anything to happen. When in reality it was the most token of LMR - probably more frustration that I hadn't taken off her panties yet.

I was a total hornball - but I just had it in my mind that sex would equal committed relationship - I didn't even have a clue that women could be okay with just having sex for fun. So I would either pass on sex with girls I didn't want as girlfriends, or I would try to girlfriend up women in the most awkward non-sexual way possible with the idea that once they were my girlfriend it would be legit to sex them.

My transformation took place through knowing a dark triad player and reading old David DeAngelo then other manosphere stuff including The Game.

I missed out on tons of poon in my younger years. Hot poon literally in my bed begging for it. *forehead slap* I don't pass it by anymore though!

Don't know if this is the thread for it, but if you have specific things you need growth in, post in in the appropriate thread and let me know and I'll give whatever help I can.

Hey Rudeman,

Thanks for this post. I feel a lot of the same way like I missed out on so much and had so much opportunity. Really liked/related to your post.

My question is:
Do you guys feel any different after 20, 50, 100 and your most recent girl? Those could be on a smaller scale

Basically do your emotions change with this?

I realize OP was



and banned, but we might as well have something resembling an objective discussion.

The number of 7-8 floated as a lifetime total for an average schlub sounds about right to me. At that level, going 3-4x that total (21-32) is around what a "natural" with minimal studied game can get.

3 digit totals also sound about right for someone with good learned game and a reasonably steady application of effort in the wild.

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My question is:
Do you guys feel any different after 20, 50, 100 and your most recent girl? Those could be on a smaller scale

Basically do your emotions change with this?

I think in the lower digits it helped with self esteem. I wanted to fuck all these girls so bad and they were fucking other guys but not me - so it made me feel like there must be something wrong with me (even though it was my own anti-game that was cock blocking me). Not sure when I got over that exactly, but I think realizing that being able to get women was a skill I could learn and improve at instead of a reflection as my worth as a person was a big part of it.

Also realizing that there is no correlation between how "good of a person" someone is and how often they get women to sleep with them (women have sex because attraction (or resources) and upping the attraction, not being a better person, is what gets you laid) And of course having more notches in my belt helped too.

I'm not a notch count guy - I like to keep a girl around and either girlfriend her up if she's good enough, or keep her as a plate (what's been happening lately). Now, it's more like pussy is a utility. I want sex a few times a week the way I like it, and I want some variety (more than one lady in the rotation) and some new pussy added to the mix. Now getting girls that are more attractive or having novel sexual experiences or feeding into my kinks is a bigger part of what motivates me instead of a new notch. Of course, girls drop out of the mix pretty regularly so I'm always farming.

But it does feel awesome to have a great sex life when so many guys I know are just thirsting for ladies! Honestly it feeds my ego a bit (which in turn helps with the ladies).

BTW +1 Friday night and +1 Saturday day, plus plate Fri afternoon. And I feel the same as before those, just tired.

Quote: (09-10-2016 05:28 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

750? Damn. That's the highest number i've heard of from anyone who isn't like a celebrity or something.

Like I said, I know a guy in his late 20's on 500 bangs, but he is model good looking, 6ft5, ripped, and his work/lifestyle put him smack-bang in the middle of horny impressionable, drunk 16 year old girls.

Care to explain what type of lifestyle that is?

Quote: (09-11-2016 05:40 AM)Lime Wrote:  

Quote: (09-10-2016 05:28 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

750? Damn. That's the highest number i've heard of from anyone who isn't like a celebrity or something.

Like I said, I know a guy in his late 20's on 500 bangs, but he is model good looking, 6ft5, ripped, and his work/lifestyle put him smack-bang in the middle of horny impressionable, drunk 16 year old girls.

Care to explain what type of lifestyle that is?

He worked as a holiday rep in Magaluf for a good few years. Magaluf is a holiday resort on a Spanish Island, and it's full of 16 year olds away from their family for the first time, getting drunk, not knowing their alcohol limits, and generally being irresponsible! In his late 20's, but he's exceptionally good looking, and he'd just bang a new 16 year old girl every single day without fail, unless he just couldn't be bothered

750 girls while in college? That would be a new girl every other night for 4 years. Roughly if you give yourself 10 years, a new bang a week, every week, for 10 years. It can be done, especially if you travel a lot and are willing to lower your standards from 6s to 5s.

He worked as a holiday rep in Magaluf for a good few years. Magaluf is a holiday resort on a Spanish Island, and it's full of 16 year olds away from their family for the first time, getting drunk, not knowing their alcohol limits, and generally being irresponsible! In his late 20's, but he's exceptionally good looking, and he'd just bang a new 16 year old girl every single day without fail, unless he just couldn't be bothered
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This really makes me want to learn spanish

Quote: (09-10-2016 11:39 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

Quote:' Wrote:

My question is:
Do you guys feel any different after 20, 50, 100 and your most recent girl? Those could be on a smaller scale

Basically do your emotions change with this?

I think in the lower digits it helped with self esteem. I wanted to fuck all these girls so bad and they were fucking other guys but not me - so it made me feel like there must be something wrong with me (even though it was my own anti-game that was cock blocking me). Not sure when I got over that exactly, but I think realizing that being able to get women was a skill I could learn and improve at instead of a reflection as my worth as a person was a big part of it.

Also realizing that there is no correlation between how "good of a person" someone is and how often they get women to sleep with them (women have sex because attraction (or resources) and upping the attraction, not being a better person, is what gets you laid) And of course having more notches in my belt helped too.

I'm not a notch count guy - I like to keep a girl around and either girlfriend her up if she's good enough, or keep her as a plate (what's been happening lately). Now, it's more like pussy is a utility. I want sex a few times a week the way I like it, and I want some variety (more than one lady in the rotation) and some new pussy added to the mix. Now getting girls that are more attractive or having novel sexual experiences or feeding into my kinks is a bigger part of what motivates me instead of a new notch. Of course, girls drop out of the mix pretty regularly so I'm always farming.

But it does feel awesome to have a great sex life when so many guys I know are just thirsting for ladies! Honestly it feeds my ego a bit (which in turn helps with the ladies).

BTW +1 Friday night and +1 Saturday day, plus plate Fri afternoon. And I feel the same as before those, just tired.

Truth.

Care to share where you game most. East/West coast or state

I realize this is coming from Slate, but they've apparently managed to create a calculator that can take your age, gender, and number of sexual partners, and score you against your demographic as a percentile.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/money...ge_or.html

Running my numbers through their calculator (male, age 23, 19 lifetime sexual partners):



Well... damn, son.

So in answer to the original question, yes absolutely. For the vast majority of men, 100 women banged is God-tier level of poon-slaying.

Consider the fact that the lifetime average for men is roughly high single digits (7-8.) Now include the fact that the average is likely extremely skewed by the absolutely insane numbers the top 10%, or even the top 1%, of men can rack up. Now consider the fact that 50% of men will have below that number of sexual partners.

What's ironic is that I can virtually guarantee you that very few of the people that I know and have interacted with daily in real life would likely guess that in the span of 4 years, I would go from being a virgin (I lost it at age 19) to the top 5% of men in my demographic in terms of pussies fucked. I'm not ripped or super athletic. I have a pretty introverted personality, and I would honestly characterize myself as being average to below-average in looks (at least facially.)

It goes to show the power of even the basic principles of Game.

God damn, that chart makes me feel like Chad Thundercock!

I scored 96% as well.

I got 83%. Now I'm motivated.

I imagine teh numbers for most guys will be much higher in general now due to tinder though? Kind of takes the 'game' element out of it?

I mean, lots of my friends just swipe all day, match, and then they just meet in a hotel room and bang. Like, zero game required.

I bet the average lays per person has sky-rocketed since tinder