Quote: (07-29-2016 02:17 AM)kosko Wrote:  

I am convinced that many visual and audio tricks were at play.

I have an extensive background in sound production, and I also did a good amount of acting when I was coming up... ...Her speech was terrible, her daughter is boring and ugly, and her husband fell sleep.

To add to your comments :

@mtracey 5h
"Have now seen ~10 videos of Sanders delegates from OR, WA, CA seriously disrupting HRC's speech. Will media give this the coverage it's due?"



@Myrna_Perez
"#Bernie delegates inside #DNC #convention getting drowned out by #Hillary delegates. #DemConvention #nounity"

Video in link - https://twitter.com/Myrna_Perez/status/7...8557858816

Some more thought on the difference between Trump's and Hillary's speech: this reflects a difference in strategy corresponding to the perceived difference in strength and flaws between the two of them.

One of Hillary's biggest problems is that she has been perceived either as a wicked witch by the her critics, or a too careerist woman who is all about work and ambition and not much about personal life, by non-critics. So she wants to show a more personal side of her, and add warmth to her image. Bill Clinton did a relatively decent job at humanizing her, by talking about a (probably fabricated) boy-meets-girl story. So did Chelsea, to a lesser extent. And that's also why there is so little policy in her speech. It's a good strategy. The problem is in the execution. Hillary herself has to be the most important step in this strategy, but her delivery failed. The more you see Hillary in person, the less you are convinced that she's a warm, decent normal human being.

On the other hand, one of Trump's biggest problems is that he is perceived as inexperienced, light in policy, lacking the knowledge needed to be president. So in his speech he talked a lot about policy. He's also perceived as a wild card, a clown, a crazy, unstable, mercurial, capricious buffoon, so in his speech he had to assume a solemn, steady, imposing, relentless and unyielding stature. And he did this well. The perceived scariness is more or less taken care of by his family.

One thing to note is that Trump's strategy is not to make himself more relatable. It's pretty difficult for an average American family to relate to Trump's family, to his all-star children, all good-looking, tall, well-spoken, accomplished, dazzling with confidence. He's not a good dad, but a great dad.

His message is not that he's also like you, but that he's what you - the ordinary working man - would want to be. He's your dream version of yourself, what you can be. He's the personification of the American dream. He's also that great man who understands your suffering and sides with you - the little guy; an incredible nigh-superhuman force with indomitable can-do spirit who has come to America's rescue (supposedly, to repay a country that has been so good to him). This is best reflected in Don Jr's statement that "For My Father, Impossible Is Just the Starting Point" and in Eric's "He's running for you!". This is also reflected in his unfortunate claim that "I alone can fix it". His children all talked about incredible he was.

Trump was never supposed to be a normal person. He's an ultra-entrepreneurial larger-than-life persona. He's, in a word, YUGE. This has been his branding strategy his whole life -- everything you see of Trump in public tells you this. And he's not supposed to tell you his more human, softer side. You're supposed to discover it by yourself, and to be pleasantly surprised by your finding. Unlike Hillary, this contrast between what he really is and what he tells you of himself is not a frustrating distasteful one. It likely works in his favor.

Quote: (07-29-2016 05:01 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2016 02:17 AM)kosko Wrote:  

I am convinced that many visual and audio tricks were at play.

I have an extensive background in sound production, and I also did a good amount of acting when I was coming up... ...Her speech was terrible, her daughter is boring and ugly, and her husband fell sleep.

To add to your comments :

@mtracey 5h
"Have now seen ~10 videos of Sanders delegates from OR, WA, CA seriously disrupting HRC's speech. Will media give this the coverage it's due?"



@Myrna_Perez
"#Bernie delegates inside #DNC #convention getting drowned out by #Hillary delegates. #DemConvention #nounity"

Video in link - https://twitter.com/Myrna_Perez/status/7...8557858816

To be fair this pic was from Wed night.

One thing I need to add is that I cant comment on how MSM and Network TV broadcasted the speech. I will have to re-watch a network feed online to see if the same stuns were used.

My assertion was purey off the DNC online feed where the camera shots of the crowd and the crowd noise were bogus.

It may of been the DNC offerd a central camera or sound feed for the Netwoks to use. This is what they do for the Olymipcs and high level soccer to maintain consistenecy in "look" of the program, essentially a McDolands style to bradcasting.

I am essentially watching the same 15 min loop where I was fully 100% engaged in the speech and trying to compre differrent networks. I will link to it later but on the PBS feed at around 31mins you notice they do a wide pan of the crowd and the crowd is distracted by obvious protests as they have their phones out trying to take pics/videos. This was right before the fake crowd shouting and a good half of the folks in that shot were not engaged in the speech.

I have seen tons of funny business with politics but I have never seen such blantant North Korea style propaganda in my life time.

Quote: (07-28-2016 10:24 PM)Brown Pride Wrote:  

Now I understand why Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary. She knows he needed his endorsement badly and the only way he would endorse her would be if she adopted most of his progressive policies and ideas. This is what you're seeing now.

Bernie knew that by not endorsing Hillary and endorsing someone like Jill Stein then the vote splits giving the election to Trump. So in his eyes he was picking the "lesser of two evils" sort of speak and vomiting while he was at it.

But he got what he wanted which was his agenda on the democratic platform.

You'd need mush for brains to believe she would really abandon the TPP. She'll say anything to get elected, and all the promises would go straight in the rubbish bin if she won.

Believe it or not, but a lot of democratic friends on my feed - including the ones I once thought were rational - are on cloud nine about the DNC convention.

They're all saying the democrats were killing it and how it made them proud to be American, how it's been great to watch compared to the shitfest of the RNC's doom and gloom, how only people who don't understand politics vote Trump, talks of Trump being eaten alive when it comes to the debates.



This is a battle for the long haul.

But I cannot wait to see their reactions to Hilary getting mauled when Trump can finally debate her one on one.

^
@ShannonBream Jul 27

"Crowd chanting "USA! USA!" Delegate in front of me stands up and yells, "Stop that! That's a Trump chant!" #DNCinPHL"


Plagiarism! :

@DrJillStein 9h

"Clinton's saber-rattling against Russia, a nuclear power, is an existential threat to human survival. She is dangerous. #DemsInPhilly"

Quote: (07-29-2016 07:29 AM)Brendan Wrote:  

Believe it or not, but a lot of democratic friends on my feed - including the ones I once thought were rational - are on cloud nine about the DNC convention.

They're all saying the democrats were killing it and how it made them proud to be American, how it's been great to watch compared to the shitfest of the RNC's doom and gloom, how only people who don't understand politics vote Trump, talks of Trump being eaten alive when it comes to the debates.



This is a battle for the long haul.

But I cannot wait to see their reactions to Hilary getting mauled when Trump can finally debate her one on one.

My take is still that Clinton is going to avoid the debates and find a reason not to do any. Her campaign has got to know that a debate is her weakest link...why else would they be avoiding press conferences already.

Main stream media gone crazy over the 1st woman narrative with the HRC one liner; "if he is so thin skinned that you can bait and can be rattled by a tweet he can not be in control of nuclear weapons".

"America is great because America is good?"

We witnessed the result of the militant malignant marxist feminist SJW convention candidate's spin that Mr. Trump himself called a fantasy version of the real world.

No mention of ISIS global murder sprees, BLM agressive police assassinations and call to kill off all white people, the adoption of nearly all of Bern it down Bernie's platform planks, and the DNCs embrace of the Soros open borders plan to turn the USA into one massive network of Brazil and Mexico style gated communities surrounded by drugs and crime ridden favelas.

So what is the solution... create talking points and factual true informative ads about the Clintons Crime Cartel from every chapter of Clinton Cash, Crisis of Character, Hillary's America and Adios America and flood the airwaves and interweb with the truth about the Clinton Obama polices that sent 60,000 US factories off shore to our major adversaries like communist red China and the radical islamist extremeists and la Raza reconquitas who are all working towards the break up of the USA and subsequent hostile takeover from within via their hostile cultures.

Followed by Mr. Trumps effective soltions to all of these challenges.

One's cringe-worthy statement from Hillary's speech is 'The only thing you have to fear is fear itself"
This complete bs. As if fear is bad in itself. The apparent contradictory form of diction is only minor; the bigger issue is that it ignores that fear is an evolved function that ensures a survival advantage: it alarms us of danger and threat, and prompts us to take caution and necessary action.

There are realistic dangers and unrealistic dangers. Fear of the former is rational, justified; fear of the latter is irrational, pathological. Right now, ISIS, mass illegal immigration that bring drug and crime, police killing, racial tension, economic insecurity, war with Russia, etc. are serious, realistic dangers that justify fear and call for action. What is not realistic is that handing the nuclear code to Trump will ensue the destruction of the world, electing him will bring the ruin of America, lead to economic chaos, fascist dictatorship, etc. - and those paranoid fantastical nightmarish horrors are precisely what the Left is mongering.

Trump's platform is reality-based. Hillary's platform is based on fantasy and lulling deception.

I'm following what seems like an expert campaign dissection on this thread. Perhaps the RVF has everyone it needs to run an election campaign itself.

Roosh/Curtius 2024?

Quote: (07-28-2016 11:35 PM)Kickb Wrote:  

"...get money out of politics."
-Hillary Clinton

...and into my foundation.

I only caught one line before I had to turn it off, It was when she was saying she didn't want to take away anyone's guns...she just didn't want anyone to get shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun.

All I could think of was how much she sounded like a nagging mother and how her vision of America sounded like a nanny state. I tried to imagine saying something like that in the Wild West, and it just didn't compute.

That's why we carry guns Hildabeast, so we can protect ourselves and not have to depend on a Nanny Govt to wipe our asses for us.

Quote: (07-29-2016 09:36 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

I only caught one line before I had to turn it off, It was when she was saying she didn't want to take away anyone's guns...she just didn't want anyone to get shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun.
...

Logic circuit break.

Hillary doesn't want to be shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun.
Shooting people like Hillary is the who point of having guns.
Does not compute.

Quote: (07-29-2016 09:17 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

One's cringe-worthy statement from Hillary's speech is 'The only thing you have to fear is fear itself"
This complete bs. As if fear is bad in itself. The apparent contradictory form of diction is only minor; the bigger issue is that it ignores that fear is an evolved function that ensures a survival advantage: it alarms us of danger and threat, and prompts us to take caution and necessary action.

There are realistic dangers and unrealistic dangers. Fear of the former is rational, justified; fear of the latter is irrational, pathological. Right now, ISIS, mass illegal immigration that bring drug and crime, police killing, racial tension, economic insecurity, war with Russia, etc. are serious, realistic dangers that justify fear and call for action. What is not realistic is that handing the nuclear code to Trump will ensue the destruction of the world, electing him will bring the ruin of America, lead to economic chaos, fascist dictatorship, etc. - and those paranoid fantastical nightmarish horrors are precisely what the Left is mongering.

Trump's platform is reality-based. Hillary's platform is based on fantasy and lulling deception.

Yes, please Hillary lead us in this lesson by example by dismissing your security detail and do walking tours of the shittiest parts of the USA. If you aren't afraid there is nothing to worry about right?

The liberal mind was on full display. Ignore failures, press forward with more delusions. Bill catching some zzzzz's is all we need to know about this shitshow.

Quote: (07-29-2016 09:17 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

One's cringe-worthy statement from Hillary's speech is 'The only thing you have to fear is fear itself"
This complete bs. As if fear is bad in itself. The apparent contradictory form of diction is only minor; the bigger issue is that it ignores that fear is an evolved function that ensures a survival advantage: it alarms us of danger and threat, and prompts us to take caution and necessary action.

There are realistic dangers and unrealistic dangers. Fear of the former is rational, justified; fear of the latter is irrational, pathological. Right now, ISIS, mass illegal immigration that bring drug and crime, police killing, racial tension, economic insecurity, war with Russia, etc. are serious, realistic dangers that justify fear and call for action. What is not realistic is that handing the nuclear code to Trump will ensue the destruction of the world, electing him will bring the ruin of America, lead to economic chaos, fascist dictatorship, etc. - and those paranoid fantastical nightmarish horrors are precisely what the Left is mongering.

Trump's platform is reality-based. Hillary's platform is based on fantasy and lulling deception.

She could have summed up her whole speech in one sentence

"The only thing we have to fear, is Donald Trump"

Quote: (07-29-2016 12:15 PM)rpg Wrote:  

The liberal mind was on full display. Ignore failures, press forward with more delusions. Bill catching some zzzzz's is all we need to know about this shitshow.

Hillary has got to be pissed about that. She made the speech,but Bill is stealing the show yet again...though inadvertently.

Quote: (07-29-2016 12:15 PM)rpg Wrote:  

The liberal mind was on full display. Ignore failures, press forward with more delusions. Bill catching some zzzzz's is all we need to know about this shitshow.

Trump already all over this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIdHmRbjEp0/

Regarding the "USA USA" chants, even those weren't genuine, they were instructed to do this to cover up other chants so the viewer at home didn't hear them. Between this, white noise machines, turning off lights in certain areas, camera tricks, it was just a fictional story being created for the viewer. Unreal.

I AM HAPPY TO BE WRONG!

Trump beats Hillary viewership on acceptance speeches!

http://deadline.com/2016/07/donald-trump...201795035/

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With figures in from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC, the ex-Secretary of State’s historic acceptance speech as the first woman to be the Presidential nominee for a major American political party drew 27.8 million viewers. That 10 PM – 11:40 PM ET coverage is down 2.4 million from what Trump and the RNC got on the same outlets on July 21 from 10 – 11:45 PM ET.

Trump had more TV viewership AND more internet coverage (based on the amount of YouTube channels showing both events)!

This is VERY good news. Trump is beating the media and the propaganda machine! It's FUCKING HAPPENING!!

Quote: (07-29-2016 02:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I AM HAPPY TO BE WRONG!

Trump beats Hillary viewership on acceptance speeches!

http://deadline.com/2016/07/donald-trump...201795035/

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With figures in from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC, the ex-Secretary of State’s historic acceptance speech as the first woman to be the Presidential nominee for a major American political party drew 27.8 million viewers. That 10 PM – 11:40 PM ET coverage is down 2.4 million from what Trump and the RNC got on the same outlets on July 21 from 10 – 11:45 PM ET.

Trump had more TV viewership AND more internet coverage (based on the amount of YouTube channels showing both events)!

This is VERY good news. Trump is beating the media and the propaganda machine! It's FUCKING HAPPENING!!

Strange, the 8% less ratings Hillary got, kinda reflects the poll numbers as well. Interesting.

Quote: (07-29-2016 02:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is VERY good news. Trump is beating the media and the propaganda machine! It's FUCKING HAPPENING!!

This is pretty stunning. People have voted with their eyes and ears.

I bet we could go back the last few elections and see that the candidate with the higher TV viewership ends up winning.