When I was a lurker.
Let's say pre-2014~.

I took me almost a year to go snooping around in anything other than the Game or Newbie section.

It's weird. Hard to describe.
On the RVF main page - they were literally invisible to me.

The Everything Else section was like a (insert conscience exploding gif).

I literally had no clue what existed in there - even though it was right in front me.

Anyways, golden age?
Ask me again in a couple years.

I'll chime in.

I was going through old PM's this past winter like many of you, massing deleting large swaths of personal communications with many members. It was quite the nostalgic journey-- messages with Westcoast, QC, cardguy, speakeasy, slubu, Henc, too many to remember. Better to have good memories you've forgotten than having no good memories to remember, right?

Anyways, I found a PM from Aliblahba (RIP) when he must have been nursing that shattered ankle with a strong mix of whiskey and Vitamin C. He messaged me a link to the video below, asking me if I could do a writeup on the commerical, to put into ink the powerful message it represented. I responded saying I couldn't think of a relevant angle at the time. I think I do now.






I'm not one to like commercials. In fact, I hate commercials. The saturation of aspirational images in media might be the singular most oppressive force in the modern world. People can't help but measuring themselves against these fictive images that dominate print media, television and the Internet. Commercials are especially adept at this: they sell an aspirational ideal or lifestyle and tie the brand that ideal. I think the above Tullamore commercial tries to do just that: tie their whiskey to some ideal of male camaraderie.

However, I view this commercial in a "glass full half" spirit. It is a powerful and timely reminder that before all else, all we have as men is each other. Regardless of the current cultural or sociopolitical climate around us, the bonds of male camaraderie will be forged and will endure. What gets us through the doldrums and lows of life is the timeless unity we have with other men.

Like in the commercial, there is nothing loud or boisterous or ostentatious about real male friendship. Profound in it's simplicity, but rich its depth, male camaraderie is about sharing in all the glory and all the defeats while facing the world head on. With lots of good-natured ribbing and trash-talking, of course.

I think what many old guard members here are justifiably lamenting is the loss of some of that joie de vivre that powered the forum. It is true that we tend to romanticize the past -- as there were alot of trolls like greek kamaki and Dash Global coupled with a lot of needless dick-swinging blather. We senior members are also getting older ourselves while most newbs stay the same age. But it is true that we have lost quite a bit of that spirit that made me join the forum of in the first place: a fearless cadre of men that had good and sometimes awe-inspiring discussions about travel and lifestyle and women.

Like some pointed out above, part of the change has been fired by mobile phones and general shifts in online culture. We have a disturbing amount of members that never post much of anything substantive, but much of that is the nature of the Internet now as any asswipe with a Verizon contract now is now dicking around on Twitter and ESPN. Plus, with so much already asked and answered on this forum, it's tough for newbs to come up and make a name for themselves -- like many other senior members did -- because they aren't blazing any trails but merely walking in the footsteps of those who came before.

But what made the forum worth spending thousands of posts on was the spirit of male camaraderie -- a spirit so often lacking in modern times -- fused together one golden rule: To add value to other member's lives. I myself have learned so much from men much better than myself here. Frankly, I'm not even sure I would have put down the bottle once and for all without the guys on the drinking wagon thread. I know I wouldn't have rediscovered my love of writing which has transformed my personal life for the better in ways that aren't relevant now. But my own experiences are neither here nor there.

The value of the forum was and always will be the bonds we foster with each other. As the forum changes -- as any forum does -- the best idea is what LINUX suggests: exchange contact info with guys whose posts you value the most and meet those guys in real life. You are doing yourself a grave disservice if you don't meet the men who have made this a great place to be over the years. Ignore the riff-raff as best you can and remember why you came and stayed in the first place: the people.

Even though I'm a Trump supporter and hate Muslims/migrants blah blah blah I found the "game" aspects of the forum and datasheets to be more interesting 2-3 years ago.

It seems like a common thread lately is something to do with a person being depressed, I have no interest in reading these posts and could care less if some new random low or no value poster killed themselves.

Some of the posters I found most interesting were Mixx, GK, Gmanifesto and Christian McQueen. They were either banned or quit posting, yes some of their stories were exaggerated or made up but they were always entertaining.

Quote: (07-18-2016 02:19 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Quote: (07-18-2016 01:35 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

The Golden Age was before the forum became a place where jew-bashing, conspiracy theories, and soft-core white supremacy became tacitly accepted, if not encouraged.

I tuned out around then, and many other reasonable guys did so as well, or got banned for speaking out against the nonsense being pedaled by folks who spend way too much time online going down rabbit holes.

It's Roosh's forum, though, and if that's what he wants, that's what he gets, he's making the transition as an author of game manuals to an author of alt-right books, and changing the forum membership to the target market for those books correlates with his change in direction as an author.

It's only a week or two ago that I started posting again, but I just keep to the quality posts such as on careers and traveling and stay away from the covert racists and tin-foil hats. I do wish some of the more reasonable folks hadn't been banned, as they had quite a bit of positives to contribute to other sections of the forum.

Hopefully it gets better after the election or if Roosh's new book sales don't justify the turn in the forum and he makes a pivot back to game books. But in fairness, it's his forum, and that's just the way it goes, if you're a reasonable guy, just be quiet or get banned, this was originally a safe space for men, but it has now become a safe space for covert racists and conspiracy theorists, so tread lightly to avoid triggering them.

These things didn't just happen out of the blue. They happened IN RESPONSE to what's been going on in society. In the past eight years it's been open season on mainstream white, heterosexual male culture and the media is leading the charge.

Working in media, I saw this first-hand. The kind of articles I'd usually write started getting spiked or voted down and editors began to tell me what opinions I could have -- all of which were politically correct. There was a drastic change between 2008 and 2013. This was one of the reasons I left.

Most of what you read in the media isn't overtly anti-white. But there is a general "narrative" the media follows. And when people see Jewish names again and again in newspapers or black faces again and again on TV declaring open season on whites, they eventually start to resent it.

Why shouldn't white people stand up for their own culture in response? Who is to say that is wrong? And who APPOINTED the person who gets to tell us that's wrong?

One thing I like about the forum -- and the various Twitter accounts I follow -- is that people are finally starting to question why being proud of European heritage is deemed "white supremacy" by the media.

In addition, instead of thinking people on the forum are Jew-bashing or white supremacists, why not question how these things are defined? Because the media (and by, association our social mores) now tell is that any pro-white statement is "racist" and anything questioning the Jews is "anti-semitism." The same things people said in the Reagan or Clinton era are now suspect. It's society that's changed.

I'm personally getting tired of ethnic groups that feel they're above reproach. As a member of an ethnic group -- Italians -- I don't feel this way at all. We developed the mafia and brought it to the U.S. So, we get stereotyped as criminals. That's because WE WERE CRIMINALS and sometimes still are.

If you're part of a group getting stereotyped, odds are it's for a reason -- just like with my people. Maybe you and I don't deserve these stereotypes personally, but our ethnic groups do -- otherwise they wouldn't have come up. I can't think of a stereotype that doesn't have truth to it -- whether it's based on ethnicity, gender, or even people's professions.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh. But I see mainstream media culture as a gigantic whitewash of reality and the manosphere as one of the few places that confronts the real world head on -- even when it's uncomfortable.

Finally, as for overt racism, I don't see anyone on here indulging in out-and-out stupidity, such as name-calling or ethnic slurs (i.e. "Shut up, you dumb Wop!). I'd leave if people were doing that. But if people present arguments and statistics, I'm open to listening even if I'm uncomfortable with it or if it reflects badly on me or my group. Because I'm sure not going to get anything resembling the truth from the mainstream media.

So much fucking this!

There has been a witch hunt against red pill minded heterosexual men (especially white men) going on for quite a while now; a witch hunt that until VERY recently (probably around the time Trump emerged) was barely acknowledged outside a few odd places like this forum.

If you are in a protected class (like Milo who is gay), you at least have some potential cover to address some of the issues affecting white men. But a heterosexual white men acting pro-white and/or calling out pretty much any non-white individual or anything/anyone politically correct? You better be rich or have an anti-fragile career.

Imagine if Roosh gave his tour talks but was an employee of a major corporation and had a family to support? Bye bye career and bye bye being able to support a family. Imagine if Roosh kept his identity secret and a few of his posts/articles got linked back to his real identity? Bye bye career and family again.

Remember that Firefox CEO who wasn't big on gay marriage? "Stepped down" (i.e. fired/forced out).

Millions of white men across America are dying to speak out about some real issues affecting their communities but can't do anything due to being possibly professionally assassinated. This is a MAJOR problem that involves MILLIONS of people.

Jim Webb, former democrat primary candidate, was essentially laughed out of the party this election cycle because he had to nerve to acknowledge that white America has some issues and they should be addressed. When asked if "Black lives matter?" he responded, "All lives matter." If I recall correctly, he was the only one to say that.

Look at how some people react to Donald Trump; acting like he is American Hitler because GOD FORBID, he actually has the balls to simply ADDRESS some of the issues that affect heterosexual white men and men in general. It's been a constant onslaught of sexist, racist, misogynist, Hitler, evil, stupid, and any other negative adjective you can think when describing Trump from the media and a significant part of the population across the political spectrum.

What Trump deals with is what every man (especially white men) has to deal if they speak against the narrative. Except the regular guy generally loses because the outside forces are so overwhelming. Trump is anti-fragile and has balls of steel and can fight the good fight like almost no one else. He is a champion and a pillar to men (again, especially white men) who have had to take in the ass in the name of politically correctness for years now.

So for you guys who think this forum is turning into some pro-white group, rest assured it isn't. It is just that a faction of people who have been getting bent over without the KY for a while now are FINALLY seeing a ray of hope with Trump and these people are fired up like crazy to have their long ignored and belittled concerns addressed. It's a LONG TIME coming.

Honestly, I think the forum is as good as it has ever been. Some of the glorious players of the past of missing, but the forum, as a whole, seems more connected in some way. I feel like I know all of you way more than I did 2 years ago.

I have even changed my opinion on many of you. When I was a lurker I thought this forum was very negative, now I see the nuances in different arguments and different personality types.

I think a lot of the really awesome shit happens off the forum and is unrecorded. I've had a blast at every meet-up I've had. There are a lot of great men here, so I am always like "No" when dudes say "this forum isn't what it used to be....."

The talent is here, it is just expressed in a different way.

Quote: (07-18-2016 02:06 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that game, as a discipline, has been pretty thoroughly covered. The heavy lifting was done years ago; now we're just exploring niches and applying old principles to new opportunities (like the addition of Tinder to online dating or Pokemon Go as a day game hack).

From the post you linked to, this line cuts deep:

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Game will continue to draw the newbies in, but as more of us check off "women" from our list of life to-do's, we'll see less time and energy invested into a field where most of the heavy lifting was done years ago.

It's not that game has been mastered, it's that a lot of its practitioners are now "over" game. They discussed it online, tried it in real life, and either settled into a comfortable routine for getting women, or hated making women part of their lives altogether.

An exclusive concentration on politics and ideology will, over time, diminish and thin the quality of any thought or discourse. It doesn't matter how justified such concentration may appear to be -- or even be in reality; how seemingly necessitated by time or circumstance. The sphere of politics and ideology is a harshly narrow and limited one; and even otherwise interesting men will become repetitive bores -- and boors -- when they tend to it with more than occasional attention. Again -- sadly -- it matters little how justified they feel in doing so.

The process of turning to politics and ideology with increasing frequency as one's default mode of cognition characterizes the aging of many men of a certain kind. When a man is young, his interests can be varied, almost by accident; and he is kept in league with life by his love of pussy and tender hopes for friendship and affection from his peers. As a man ages, his interests will often narrow and calcify; and if he is of a certain type -- the type that posts on Internet message boards, say -- he will tend to become one variety or another of a barstool philosopher, always ready to dispense the same tedious commentary in accordance with his ideology of choice. It's an understandable process, which however makes its outcome no less tiresome.

The forum's current exclusive turn towards politics and ideology can hardly be helped -- the pull these things exert at the moment cannot really be resisted, and this will remain the case for another season and change, until the aftermath of the elections in the US. That aftermath, whether triumphant or desolating, will leave this place as something different from what it is now (and has been for some time); and it is possible that in its wake we will see a turn away from these narrow and harshly limited and limiting concentrations, and towards the greater variety of curiosity, humor, anecdote, camaraderie, and exploration that alone allows any company of men -- including this forum -- to liberate its best and truest energies.

Think of it like albums. We had gold. Now we are going on platinum playa!

What will happen to the forum if Trump loses..I imagine heads exploding like a watermelon getting smashed by David Gallagher

Quote: (07-18-2016 08:14 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

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Great point. I do feel MUCH more positive and friendly toward my forum brothers since I decided to tone down my participation in the political threads. The threads exist and I'm ok with it, but guys shouldn't let it consume them. There is a whole world of other sub-forums to enjoy.

Quote: (07-18-2016 02:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Does this thread have any point besides creating drama and re-igniting old beefs and issues we already moved past?

Definitely. Nostalgia is a real thing. Your forum has a glorious past, and a glorious present. It would be a sign of something wrong if a 7 year old forum didn't have people reminiscing about the old days. You're sensitive that people remember banned members fondly. It's like old friends. There are reasons why they are past friends, for good and for bad. Sometimes it's good to reminisce about the good.

That said, I agree that the current age is a golden age too.

I still remember that time El Mech bought a Mac computer and Ali busted out with the jokes.

Mech, how's that mac computer doing so far?

^Ha, remember when cardguy discovered the miracle of bug screens?

When a rooster pecks at the same dunghill for a few years, he doesn't even notice the stink after a while.

Just make sure you've a life outside of this forum.

Politics is part of our life experience, especially in relation to culture, and it can be intense. Its consequences can be real, pressing and deeply affect our personal and collective well-being. We cannot begin to address the malaise men face today without touching politics. Also sharing our varied cultural experiences can be enriching.

The narrowing of interest is not necessarily bad. In fact it can be good in so far as it’s investigative specialization and not dogmatic ideologization. It avoids two pit falls: i) being a jack of all trades and master of none; ii) being locked into a harshly constrained, rigid ideology.

Serious men with great drive instinctively understand that they don't want to squander their energy and time in a vast spectrum of interests, dabbling here and there, but to focus their energy into one field/devote their life to a cause, and accomplish something great with it, or at least something.

The type of men who simply want to enjoy life, dispensing their attention over its vast variety, occasionally contributing some bits here and there by dropping a commentary, are naturally turned off by such focus. It's difficult for these two mindsets to truly comprehend each other.

For serious, driven men, unless you're fully committed to a project, you're not truly participating in life, you're just drifting by and by, forever outside, standing on the sidewalk of life, or perhaps, one foot on the sidewalk and one foot on the road. To live is to engage, to struggle, to fight, with intensity and passion, and only in that is meaning to be found. The variety of discourse is secondary to those men, what matter is action, and good discourse must end in transformative action.

And for those who want to enjoy the view, the vision of such men are limited tunnel visions. Being too absorbed in their causes, they miss the many aspects of life, its endless wonderful complexity, its rhythms, its joy.

And then there are also those who are simply interested, not so much in world-changing actions, nor in enjoying variety, but in studying one specific aspect of life. There is such a thing as knowing a bit of everything but not really knowing anything, and for those men, to truly know something is what matters. They're the scientist type.

Political science is a rich and developing field, with very little settled. It's easy to throw in occasional commentaries, either assuming that our understanding is already correct, or that there is no need to know more. This is understandable for people with little interest and/or stake in it. If you've no interest in something it all looks like a tedious gray mass, and endless and pointless distraction from the real activities of life. But if you have interest in something, the details matter, their truth and falsehood matter, immensely interesting for their own sake. It's a pretty good tell for whether you're really into something.

Discourse become poor and thin when we are too satisfied with our current understanding, too assured of our own views, too ideologically constrained. But having an interest in politics is not the same as ideological overdetermination. Even if the subject is narrow, it can be interesting when done with keen interest and an open mind, when we don't suppose we already have the answer and are ready to challenge our own views.

Though, I can understand and sympathize with the need for an ideology, as well as the lack of inclination for disinterested inquiry. The men of action simply feel that they have no time to study everything in details before taking action - what's of real, critical importance to them. They need a reliable set of principles as a guidelines for practical undertaking, to interpret and change the world, or part of it, for the better. While there is something inherently limiting about ideology itself, not all ideologies are created equal. Some ideology is more conducive to human flourishing and social cohesion than others. Patriarchal nationalism is a good place to start.

Although there is a shift in focus, this forum allows for a variety of men with different dispositions and pursuits to engage in constructive non-mainstream discourses, and that is a great thing. I love the forum as it is now. Sometimes we attract internet keyboard warriors who are neither the 3 types listed above, and just want to whine or show off internet dick, but that's unavoidable, and this forum has less of those than most.

I do consciously avoid repeating either myself or party lines. You don't see me talking about PC, SJWs, feminism, how they're bad, how cishet white-males are being antagonized, etc. because while I agree with those points I don't feel the need to repeat them. No point in going on and on about what's already general consensus.

I'm more interested in determining the exact cause for them. We agree on the symptoms, but the causes and their nature are up to debate. Disagreement is where discussions get interesting. Generally when there's too much consensus the discussion will be boring. It's better to civilly focus on where we disagree and see if we settle it through constructive debates. And there are plenty of debatable subjects, such as: is the West in a decline? Is the current decadence mostly a consequence of periodic stale peace, hence temporary and can be solved with a major war, like with China? Is the current narrative mostly constructed by ideologues or by profiteers? I fancy that those discourses will be interesting and enriching.

Quote: (07-18-2016 08:14 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

That aftermath, whether triumphant or desolating, will leave this place as something different from what it is now (and has been for some time); and it is possible that in its wake we will see a turn away from these narrow and harshly limited and limiting concentrations, and towards the greater variety of curiosity, humor, anecdote, camaraderie, and exploration that alone allows any company of men -- including this forum -- to liberate its best and truest energies.

I don't think there will be a shift from politics after the election. It has more to do with Roosh's development and general events than the election. The shift to politics has occurred before the election, and Trump rise more or less simply intensified it. My bet is the focus on politics will continue whether Trump gets elected, in so far as the problems elsewhere in Europe has not been solved, and more problems will emerge.

I joined the forum about a year ago after lurking on and off for a couple years. I’ve been disappointed with the forum for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread.

I’ve been disappointed with the online forum but I’ve had the opposite experience with meeting people offline. I think the forum is still in a golden age in terms of meeting real people in real life so I want to reiterate what LINUX said about some people needing to log off and go live.

The forum has a very different culture offline. There are plenty of guys out there who never post in the Everything Else or Politics sections. You might not recognize their screen names but they have dozens of rep points from meeting guys and helping out guys in real life. I’ve met guys who stopped posting years ago and a guy who has never made a post but these guys are out there in the real world and always willing to help out a newbie in their city.

Social media has made the world less social and western society is shitty towards men now. You got to be smart about how you deal with those things and the real world can sometimes be a lot more positive than an Internet forum.

Quote: (07-18-2016 10:50 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  

You're in luck. I went back to Feb 16 in the thread (the timestamp on the Bush gun picture).

Skimmed a few pages.... I had forgotten how ridiculously high-energy the thread was back then. Multiple rallies; pictures of Ivanka; memes and repeated sick burns on Jeb:

The forum has had multiple Golden Ages. I lurked for a long time before I started posting. The forum seemed to be a much more positive and uplifting place in the past.

Anyways, Jan-June Donald Trump thread was without a doubt a Golden Age. I had a hell of a lot of fun in there.

Quote: (07-18-2016 10:32 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

^Ha, remember when cardguy discovered the miracle of bug screens?

Hahahaha! I remember that!

Those were the days...

Looking back, it's amazing how innocent things were back then.

Things might have been more positive back then because when a guy first gets into game it's like opening up this new wonderful world. At the time I joined I had just gotten out of a shitty relationship and I was living in an overpriced shack in West Hollywood, a couple blocks away from a venue that gave me one of my best years for lays of my life. It's the venue where I met Slubu and BasilRansom. I had just discovered Stronglifts 5x5 and my life revolved around going to the gym and going out 5 times a week. I can't think of myself as being remotely politically conscious back then.

Of course nothing lasts forever.

Quote: (07-18-2016 11:09 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-18-2016 10:32 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

^Ha, remember when cardguy discovered the miracle of bug screens?

Hahahaha! I remember that!

Those were the days...

Looking back, it's amazing how innocent things were back then.

Oh wow i just read that. That's really funny.

At the end christian McQueen offers to put everyone up at a mami hotel. I wonder if anyone went?

Aloha!

Quote: (07-18-2016 10:32 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

^Ha, remember when cardguy discovered the miracle of bug screens?

Can someone confirm did McQueen's party happen or no?

I lurked for over a year and actually remember reading some of Roosh's articles in 2014 thinking he was a complete whack job. Even though, all of 2014, I was digesting ROK. Go Figure.

Became active just over a year ago and yes, its different than I expected. BUT, BUT BUT, I think the culture of society is different than 2011-2014. Sometime in 2013, the attitude of this country just changed and the lights in the eyes went out. So its reflecting here.

I love the political drama and geopolitical analysis that goes on but I'll admit, I'm increasingly getting sick of trying to stay up to date on global affairs. My desire for lighthearted debates about various types of landing strips and painting girls faces white is increasing. I'm also getting the itch to explore more of this country. Politicked out but Roosh and MikeCF have big voices now. Nobody took up our "cause" for years and now them among others are throttling motherfuckers. If they want to capitalize and fight the good fucking fight, I'm stoked. I sometimes wish I could pick fights with all the faggots inhabiting our cultural bastion right now.

The seminal election in American History is conflict. Conflict isn't conducive to lighthearted banter. One way or another, its wrapping up and so am I on politics for a bit.

Most importantly, Linux and others have it right....MEET PEOPLE from here. Going from internet discussions to having stand up guys become friends is a beautiful thing. You learn about them and you learn about yourself in the process, its not "REDPILL" words on a screen, its RVF see, RVF do. Also, everything discussed here when discussed casually over a beer as opposed to in Google Chrome with 4 tabs open is that much more powerful. When I think of some guys from the Chicago Tribe, real life experience comes to the forefront.

Snowplow-World class story teller. No joke, if he read children's books to adults, the world would be a better place.
docholliday-Unshakable frame. He swats things away and is grounded like you won't believe.
H3lsk3ltr-Smart, very, very smart.

I could add more about others and hope to meet other members so I can learn about them, not just their writing persona.

Change is here, I'm quite certain there is a whole host of new experiences members will be able to drop data sheets on in the near future and like another said, ADD VALUE to other men's lives.

I think a lot of the nostalgia for the 'old guard' is simply due to the gradual aging process we & they went through and how you 'grow' out of certain things that are either no longer challenging and/or are things you've mastered and no longer find rewarding.

Roosh has written a lot about the diminishing benefits of spending large amounts of time & energy on women as you get older and wiser. Even for the average gamers & posters here on the forum, things changed dramatically as they learned more and more and they had their fill of women. I know they did for me.

Most guys eventually either got really good at game, or simply good enough, to not have to spend a majority of their time thinking about and working on getting women. When you do that it opens up a ton of new possibilities.

Also, the "shift" towards politics on the forum doesn't per se have as much to do with the forum itself as it does with the societies around us (that seem to be changing by the minute, mostly for the worse, and mostly in a 'righteous fascism' sort of way).

As Roosh said in one of his videos on Gamergate , a young man today literally can't go into his basement and play a f*cking video game without some SJW crazy person notifying them of the lack of women, gays or whatever in video gaming. So it starts early and just gets worse for the average guy.

And as you get older and enter the workforce, red pillers quickly realize that they simply can't just 'do their job and let society take care of them' and game away in the meatime these days. Not anymore, even in socialist Europe. That's a recipe for disaster, whether it's losing your job, your family, or even your life let alone your income stream. And with regressive Feminism literally everywhere, and somebody blaming you potentially for this or that in real life or online constantly, it really means women & dating in the west can be a very tricky proposition. They've literally politicized almost everything so the forum can only follow suit.

Well said Akula

Quote: (07-18-2016 02:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Does this thread have any point besides creating drama and re-igniting old beefs and issues we already moved past?

Doesn't seem that way. Still people with beefs, they're posting in this thread or they've gone to lurk. (I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, I'm too new here to know either way).

Quote: (07-18-2016 02:19 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

These things didn't just happen out of the blue. They happened IN RESPONSE to what's been going on in society. In the past eight years it's been open season on mainstream white, heterosexual male culture and the media is leading the charge.

I think what you don't get is that we get it. This is the wrong place to keep harping on that. At this point I don't think there is anyone on this forum who is interested in blaming white, heterosexual men for all the problems of American society. I'm pretty sure if you went over to the "Moma and RudeBwoy" thread (i.e. The Black People Thread) in the Game section and posted some shit like that we'd laugh in your face and then ask you how you were going to improve yourself. Which is essentially the life attitude from minorities that most Americans would want, yes? But we come over to the EE forum and get lectured about our damaging white people's civilization with our low IQs. This is why so many people in the Moma thread warn others to stay away from EE.

IMO, the discussion that's lurking underneath this thread is the same discussion we had in the "12 Cops Shot Dead" thread. Race is ostensibly the topic there, here in this thread its forum nostalgia (though race is an element here, too), but the underlying question is the same: which direction will the Manosphere go? Will the Manosphere be for ALL men, or not?