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Trump General Election Policy Proposals Part 1: Rebuilding America's Infrastructure
05-06-2016, 12:21 AM
From the article TLOZ linked:
Trumps response:
This is brilliant. The man is just on fire lately, truly battling on all fronts and
winning
Americans are dreamers too
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Trump General Election Policy Proposals Part 1: Rebuilding America's Infrastructure
05-06-2016, 01:33 AM
Meh, no president was ever going to be a fiscal conservative. The votes want a president that 'does something' (so they don't have to do it themselves), and doing something costs money.
The only constitutional mechanism that can reign in the federal government is the Article 5 convention, not the presidential election.
Quote: (05-05-2016 03:14 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:
What profit motive is there for a private company to buy a bridge or road, unless it becomes toll based access?
Bingo. Tolls are very easy now, just the same as catching the train. You have an automatic e-reader in your car. Very common in Japan and Australia. And yes, you'd have to sell the bridges off at a moderate pace, not all at once.
Quote: (05-05-2016 03:42 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:
I doubt any of us were around to see it ourselves, but has history been re-written and all of us lied to in history class just to protect FDR's legacy? He did the job the people elected him to do, get them back to work...What else was he going to do with what he inherited from his predecessors?
Like Paracelsus said, we've been lied to about everything else. Why not this too?
Pretty telling, in spite of all of his 'putting people back to work'. Unemployment never dropped below 15% until men were packed off to war, and was back up to 20% in 1938 after 5years of his presidency.
There
are vested political interests in having school children believe that myth.
Here is an even more telling picture:
See that blip after 1920? That's the 1920 Great Depression that never happened. Difference was the US had Harding and Coolidge as president: and they basically did nothing or even blocked things being done.
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Trump General Election Policy Proposals Part 1: Rebuilding America's Infrastructure
05-06-2016, 09:00 AM
Guys, let's not get distracted by arguments about FDR. They can be continued elsewhere. This thread is about the proposal to rebuild America's infrastructure -- Rebuilding America -- which can help carry Trump to victory in November. Eyes on the prize, please.
Trump's strong pivot to the infrastructure theme yesterday is continuing to get a lot of attention. You can follow the latest tweets here:
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vert...e&src=typd
Examples:
https://twitter.com/nicolegelinas/status...4929752064
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Nicole Gelinas
@nicolegelinas
Once again, not a Trump fan, but the GOP lost this one by not caring/saying much about infrastructure for decades.
5:47 AM - 6 May 2016
https://twitter.com/dallasdan01/status/7...2948743168
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@dallasdan01
#Trump will drastically cut int aid & put that $ toward infrastructure projects giving more latinos well paying jobs than any president
6:17 AM - 6 May 2016
Both supporters and opponents of Trump are recognizing how strong this issue is for him, and how sorely it's been missing from the Republican agenda.
same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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05-06-2016, 02:00 PM
I read about this Ryan guy recently. He is, and I don't use this phrase lightly...
Cuck as fuck.
I hope the mods will be lenient on me on using this kind of language.
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05-06-2016, 05:35 PM
One more day of reflecting on this makes me realize the ultimate beauty of TLOZ's proposal.
I don't want to talk down to anyone who participated in the ideological discussion of FDR, but how useless and disrespectful was it? Useless, because it didn't help us evaluate TLOZ's proposal; disrespectful, because there's plenty of space on this forum for that discussion.
Like I said, I don't want to shame the people who took part in that discussion. But I do want to shame ideology itself.
It doesn't matter whether ideology is left or right, masculine or feminine, pro-government or anti-government, religious or secular. What matters is that ideology always presents itself as the solution, BUT it never does anything. All it does is suggests highly expensive solutions designed to perpetuate the ideology.
Ideologies like Hillary will even use the right language, such as, "We need to learn to work together." But what could be a simpler, more concrete (heh), more profitable example of this than a multi-racial construction crew?
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I smiled broadly when Trump said in West Virginia, "Truthfully, I'd rather be a coal miner than a statistician." Because it doesn't matter that I'm smart enough to be a statistician, it matters that the type of intelligence needed to be a statistician also has a hard time connecting with regular people. And it matters that this type of intelligence is prone to ideology.
Trump's proposal brilliantly destroys all forms of ideology, and if you can see that, and love it, you'll be able to convert lots of Berniepeople to vote for Trump.
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05-06-2016, 06:27 PM
Quote: (05-06-2016 05:40 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:
A coal miner, even if it is a dirty job actually produces energy, and "high energy" is something that Trump has always associated himself with. It is a proactive job that powers an economy.
Quote:John Michael Kane Wrote:
America needs Trump to use his gifts as a builder to make beautiful things again. Trump is a fan of beauty. He needs to sell the American people on the idea that we don't need to be an ugly country anymore. If South Korea can build a world-class airport, why can't we?
Your two posts above combine beautifully.
It won't merely be that building beautiful buildings and healing the economy will make people happy and wealthy. It will also be that the people will realize that we could've done this forty years ago, if only the politicians had surrendered to the builders.
Trump can not only win the Presidential election. He can also help the people adopt an anti-ideological, anti-politician, anti-academic detachment interpretation of history.
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05-07-2016, 01:05 AM
Quote: (05-06-2016 05:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:
I don't want to talk down to anyone who participated in the ideological discussion of FDR, but how useless and disrespectful was it? Useless, because it didn't help us evaluate TLOZ's proposal; disrespectful, because there's plenty of space on this forum for that discussion.
Like I said, I don't want to shame the people who took part in that discussion. But I do want to shame ideology itself.
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Trump's proposal brilliantly destroys all forms of ideology, and if you can see that, and love it, you'll be able to convert lots of Berniepeople to vote for Trump.
What a character you are. The FDR stuff was a
very minor digression away from the center of TLOZ's point (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Wor...nistration ). It is a firm historical precedent, through The New Deal, of a president previously doing the similar stuff. It is reasonably on topic of a president "rebuilding America's infrastructure".
What you want is just pure deferential
cult of personality. That's why you want no ideology --
no ideas -- don't think! Don't criticize TLOZ proposal -- just agree, just respect it automatically because it came from him. Don't criticize any of the ideas of Trump -- just follow along without a peep. Shut your brain off, get in rank, and start marching. Fuck that, 0% chance I'll ever join that crew.
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05-07-2016, 10:55 AM
Not missing a beat.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...0807581696
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Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
I am going to keep our jobs in the U.S., and totally rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. Crooked Hillary has no clue! @Teamsters
8:47 AM - 7 May 2016
same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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05-08-2016, 02:52 PM
Quote: (05-07-2016 05:50 PM)eljeffster Wrote:
America's greatest infrastructure projects were built by, or with substantial assistance from the U.S. Government.
Quote: (05-08-2016 10:39 AM)Lizard King Wrote:
The private sector doesn't build infrastructure for free. Is every bridge going to have a toll? People get fed up with that, and it doesn't make people feel like they live in a great nation. Japan might have a great private rail system, I know nothing about it but I would hazard a guess that there is substantial governmental monitoring of the standards.
On a right of center forum, public sector infrastructure is 'free' because the elevated bill for it is lumped and morally laundered into tax, and large government infrastructure projects are evidence of government expertise because let's ignore what never-to-be private sector projects those resources were drawn from.
I'm willing to concede. The right has been explaining away these fallacies for a century now and it makes zero difference. TLOZ is right to say Trump should put infrastructure rebuilding in his platform to improve his election odds.
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Trump General Election Policy Proposals Part 1: Rebuilding America's Infrastructure
05-09-2016, 12:21 AM
I saw a video recently where the presenter and the guy being intereviewed were in old Town Liverpool or such like. Both were commenting on how glorious the buildings were and how the current trendy downtown businesses occupying the buildings couldn't afford to put up such buildings. These businesses are coasting on the capital built up by previous generations.
Likewise, a degenerate generation ridden by a kleptocratic government can't stimulate the economy by creating programs to build things the previous generation could afford.
The real solution is to throw the low productivity people out, or kill them, and remove government impediments that prevent productive people from doing what.they do naturally, which is create wealth and value.
If you have a populace that naturally creates wealth and value, then building roads, harbors, airports, etc. Is no problem.
If you don't have a productive population, all the public works programs in the world will just turn you into.more of a.third world country
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06-11-2016, 04:51 PM
I meant to comment on this the first time around but didn't. Since it came up again in the main thread as an example of something that Trump's failing to do that could cost him his campaign, I thought I would bump this for further discussion.
"Spends lots of money on infrastructure projects to create jobs" has been a democratic talking point going back to at least the great depression. As far as I know, it hasn't excited anyone since the days of Roosevelt and his wheelchair.
Why does it suddenly become exciting just because Trump talks about it?
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06-11-2016, 04:56 PM
I think Trump's status as a builder with real experience and accomplishment would make a difference from those other career politicians.
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06-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Why, though? It's not that The idea is vague and cloudy. No one gets excited over the general concept of roads, bridges, and airports.
Trump already has a big, glorious building project: The Wall.
It's large, it's concrete, and it's something that everyone can instantly envision. Why does adding something so amorphous on top of it help?