Note this was originally an email I sent to Quintus to gauge his thoughts and now I have expanded on it and invite feedback from RVF)
This post is a long one.
I was reading through Roosh's dialogue with Quintus concerning Neo-Masculinity, and a thought struck me that I am going to try to effectively and concisely flush out. round it out.
Most of your average Red Pill types - and even those who embrace the principles of Neo-Masculinity - have no intention of every having kids, let alone getting married.
I believe this to be a serious problem. This is not without cause of course. The system - specifically in the west - and its laws via the family courts in particular make children a scary proposition.
The advent of no fault divorce decades back - which has destroyed marriage just like the conservatives at the time predicted it would, is another reason to probably avoid marriage.
However, consider what is needed to build a society that is enthused and enriched by Neo-Masculine worldview and values, as well as ensuring they are passed on to the next generation.
It is the passing of the torch to the next generation, and the generation after that which we can see broke down in the late 19th century an on. Essentially, it is a multi-generational plan of action, because the damage done over the last 100+ years will take just as many years, if not more to reverse.
This of course assumes that any of us have the intention of ever having kids. Many conservatives have more kids then your liberal types - yes I'd include hispanics and asians as socially conservative. However, because of the public school system and most institutes of higher learning (Colleges), their kids are corrupted, indoctrinated, and essentially re-educated from age 5 and up with a marxist social justice way of thinking.
In fact, I would argue that this is true even in conservative places like Texas, due to the entire public educational system being deliberately set up this way.
How will any families be created that are purposefully protected from the indoctrination of the public school system and that of mainstream culture if so many of those who endorse TRP as well as Neo-Masculine ideals avoid starting a family, having kids, let alone considering marriage which is the necessary framework to raise said family? (Yes I'm aware there are some significant differences, but their is overlap people who endorse sometimes one or both of them. At least NM is focused on the overall cultural problem instead of just game.)
Now, I stress homeschooling in particular as essential because the worldview promoted to kids at an extremely young age by the public schools is down right antithetical and hostile to NeoMasculinity, let alone Christianity and any sense of traditionalism.
This is demonstrated by what has happened to my generation - millenials - and the whole coddling and pampered idea of everyone being a winner. (Self-esteem was promoted instead of self-compassion)
I don't understand how we can do this if we don't have kids, let alone wives. How will society and our culture ever recover?
If you recall Maverick Traveler's article, "Are You Being Gamed by Game?" that summed up my thoughts precisely.
I still wanted a wife and a family at some point and if I threw that away by sticking to plates, short LTR, ect it would never happen.
I had my kind of epiphany - and I wasn't even at it that long in comparison - similar to Rooshs where he mentioned how he thought he would be 50 and still approaching girls in the mall and asking them where the petshop was.
Rooshs journey to realizing there had to be more took him quite a long journey - so to speak- but it finally resulted in him and Quintus formulating the ideas of neo-masculinity because they realized there had to be more to life then just game and spinning plates if there was ever to be a cultural and systemic recovery.
Luckily, I had his ephinany within a year and half of discovering game and TRP. I'll turn 27 this month.
Me and my soon to be wife - unicorn, 19, non-existent partner count, traditional, supportive, wants to homeschool, not prioritizing career over family, ect - plan to out-breed these SJW types and raise up children with both a strong NeoMasculine and Christian worldview.
However, I'm pretty damn sure that we are among the few who plan that - both as millennials and those who have been exposed to Neo-Masculine worldview in general who are planning on having kids. (We already have one on the way.)
Just how realistic is this though - assuming it's actually a bad idea?
Consider that the economy will never again allow for a single-bread winner in one family to be sufficient for financial stability.
Both parents will often have to work and it delays them from being able to start a family at a young and ripe age and instead delay it to often far in their later 30s, assuming that financial stability is accomplished.
What some of the larger hispanic families in the US have gotten right is the idea of several family members, often including grandparents, living in one large house.
Employing the core concept of that idea would allow for one's family and extended family to help raise kids, homeschool them, ensure strong family bonds and ties, important values, as well allowing financial stability and almost what I would suggest is a kind of "family" version of Aaron Clarey's Minimalism. If we want to have available "resources", they would have to be focused primarily on distribution between family members and close friends.
However, almost everyone I know - including most parents and grandparents - don't advocate an idea of a multi-family house. Who wants to live in a cramped house with several other people when you can have an apartment all to yourself? The benefit of the former are often ignored for what I would suggest is the declining benefits of the latter.
Even the idea of families living in the same neighborhood, let alone street is essentially an idea of the past and dismissed as such - which unfortunately would be the only other alternative I can think of to a "multi-family" house.
So I'm doing the "test-run" of this in my own life.
Currently, I'm planning on moving me and my soon to be wife into my parent's home where my mother - who no longer works and is a stay at home wife - will devote much time to babysitting and caring for children while I work.
I'm in the trades and my wife will continue her pre-med requirements in school on her career path to become a trauma surgeon. My father is also willing to devote much time toward helping care for any children - out of the many me and my girl hope to make - as well as helping to homeschool them so we can raise feminine daughters and masculine sons. My father believes in creating a family legacy and grandchildren are the raising of them are what he considers his primary goal in life.
For example, that homeschooling would involve a firm foundation in the classics ranging from Meditations, Aristotle and Pliny to Don Quixote, The Canterbury Tales, and many of the early works of English literature. Both Pantheon and 37 are filled with such stories, tales, and lessons that would be fundamental in their education, as well as the Trivium approach of Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric. (In particular, I believe Vox Day was right when he said Rhetoric is probably the most significant way of battling our opponents.)
Essentially, she won't have to worry about picking a career over family, nor will I as we will be able to have both. However, I can't see any other way for us or for others to accomplish a similar situation unless they live in a "multi-family" house.
However, we will lose our kids in the public school system where the SJWs and progressives know they can get our kids at a young age, unless one's kids are homeschooled.
I don't think many RP and NeoMasculinists realize the danger of having their kids in a public school, assuming they have any and begin a family. The amount of time they spend with your kids compared to the time you get with them simply isn't enough to undo the damage being wrought in their classrooms and in the activities and groups that are deliberately subverting their minds.
For my particular situation - Quintus advised me that my plan is a good one - considering the extended family situation that will soon be a reality for me.
However for the rest of you, I don't know if this is necessarily viable. However, I considered it a good idea to share these thoughts in hope of quality feedback.
Questions? Comments?
Death threats?
This post is a long one.
I was reading through Roosh's dialogue with Quintus concerning Neo-Masculinity, and a thought struck me that I am going to try to effectively and concisely flush out. round it out.
Most of your average Red Pill types - and even those who embrace the principles of Neo-Masculinity - have no intention of every having kids, let alone getting married.
I believe this to be a serious problem. This is not without cause of course. The system - specifically in the west - and its laws via the family courts in particular make children a scary proposition.
The advent of no fault divorce decades back - which has destroyed marriage just like the conservatives at the time predicted it would, is another reason to probably avoid marriage.
However, consider what is needed to build a society that is enthused and enriched by Neo-Masculine worldview and values, as well as ensuring they are passed on to the next generation.
It is the passing of the torch to the next generation, and the generation after that which we can see broke down in the late 19th century an on. Essentially, it is a multi-generational plan of action, because the damage done over the last 100+ years will take just as many years, if not more to reverse.
Building A Family
In order to properly raise up strong children, we will need that strong family structure which we know is key to raising up kids with a neo-masculine worldview - which is a key principle of it. This of course assumes that any of us have the intention of ever having kids. Many conservatives have more kids then your liberal types - yes I'd include hispanics and asians as socially conservative. However, because of the public school system and most institutes of higher learning (Colleges), their kids are corrupted, indoctrinated, and essentially re-educated from age 5 and up with a marxist social justice way of thinking.
In fact, I would argue that this is true even in conservative places like Texas, due to the entire public educational system being deliberately set up this way.
How will any families be created that are purposefully protected from the indoctrination of the public school system and that of mainstream culture if so many of those who endorse TRP as well as Neo-Masculine ideals avoid starting a family, having kids, let alone considering marriage which is the necessary framework to raise said family? (Yes I'm aware there are some significant differences, but their is overlap people who endorse sometimes one or both of them. At least NM is focused on the overall cultural problem instead of just game.)
This all hinges on one idea that keeps coming to my mind; multi-generational strategy.
I'm not sure if you know what the "quiverfull" movement is that is popular among some conservative Christian homeschoolers, but it advocates basically outbreeding the opposition and homeschooling to make sure a solid worldview foundation is passed on to one's children and then on to their children's children. I won't link to a Gawker article on it that was rightfully scared of the implications of being outbred. Now, I stress homeschooling in particular as essential because the worldview promoted to kids at an extremely young age by the public schools is down right antithetical and hostile to NeoMasculinity, let alone Christianity and any sense of traditionalism.
This is demonstrated by what has happened to my generation - millenials - and the whole coddling and pampered idea of everyone being a winner. (Self-esteem was promoted instead of self-compassion)
I don't understand how we can do this if we don't have kids, let alone wives. How will society and our culture ever recover?
A Quick Overview Of My Manosphere Exposure
I stumbled upon the manosphere over a year ago, lost my virginity at 25, slept with 10 girls in about a year and a half, and realized several months ago that I needed something more. I started looking for wife material. If you recall Maverick Traveler's article, "Are You Being Gamed by Game?" that summed up my thoughts precisely.
I still wanted a wife and a family at some point and if I threw that away by sticking to plates, short LTR, ect it would never happen.
I had my kind of epiphany - and I wasn't even at it that long in comparison - similar to Rooshs where he mentioned how he thought he would be 50 and still approaching girls in the mall and asking them where the petshop was.
Rooshs journey to realizing there had to be more took him quite a long journey - so to speak- but it finally resulted in him and Quintus formulating the ideas of neo-masculinity because they realized there had to be more to life then just game and spinning plates if there was ever to be a cultural and systemic recovery.
Luckily, I had his ephinany within a year and half of discovering game and TRP. I'll turn 27 this month.
Me and my soon to be wife - unicorn, 19, non-existent partner count, traditional, supportive, wants to homeschool, not prioritizing career over family, ect - plan to out-breed these SJW types and raise up children with both a strong NeoMasculine and Christian worldview.
However, I'm pretty damn sure that we are among the few who plan that - both as millennials and those who have been exposed to Neo-Masculine worldview in general who are planning on having kids. (We already have one on the way.)
The Expense and Difficulty of Raising a Family
Another issue I would raise is that of the damaging ideas of the 50s in propagating the concept of mono family homes as not just an expectation, but something one should strive for. Everyone needs that white picket fence and three-bedroom suburban home in the cultisack. Just how realistic is this though - assuming it's actually a bad idea?
Consider that the economy will never again allow for a single-bread winner in one family to be sufficient for financial stability.
Both parents will often have to work and it delays them from being able to start a family at a young and ripe age and instead delay it to often far in their later 30s, assuming that financial stability is accomplished.
What some of the larger hispanic families in the US have gotten right is the idea of several family members, often including grandparents, living in one large house.
Employing the core concept of that idea would allow for one's family and extended family to help raise kids, homeschool them, ensure strong family bonds and ties, important values, as well allowing financial stability and almost what I would suggest is a kind of "family" version of Aaron Clarey's Minimalism. If we want to have available "resources", they would have to be focused primarily on distribution between family members and close friends.
However, almost everyone I know - including most parents and grandparents - don't advocate an idea of a multi-family house. Who wants to live in a cramped house with several other people when you can have an apartment all to yourself? The benefit of the former are often ignored for what I would suggest is the declining benefits of the latter.
Even the idea of families living in the same neighborhood, let alone street is essentially an idea of the past and dismissed as such - which unfortunately would be the only other alternative I can think of to a "multi-family" house.
So I'm doing the "test-run" of this in my own life.
Currently, I'm planning on moving me and my soon to be wife into my parent's home where my mother - who no longer works and is a stay at home wife - will devote much time to babysitting and caring for children while I work.
I'm in the trades and my wife will continue her pre-med requirements in school on her career path to become a trauma surgeon. My father is also willing to devote much time toward helping care for any children - out of the many me and my girl hope to make - as well as helping to homeschool them so we can raise feminine daughters and masculine sons. My father believes in creating a family legacy and grandchildren are the raising of them are what he considers his primary goal in life.
For example, that homeschooling would involve a firm foundation in the classics ranging from Meditations, Aristotle and Pliny to Don Quixote, The Canterbury Tales, and many of the early works of English literature. Both Pantheon and 37 are filled with such stories, tales, and lessons that would be fundamental in their education, as well as the Trivium approach of Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric. (In particular, I believe Vox Day was right when he said Rhetoric is probably the most significant way of battling our opponents.)
Essentially, she won't have to worry about picking a career over family, nor will I as we will be able to have both. However, I can't see any other way for us or for others to accomplish a similar situation unless they live in a "multi-family" house.
We can outbreed those who have and are destroying Western Civilization.
We can enable the next generation through a firm establishment in a Neo-Masculine worldview from a young age. Our eventual victory would be one simply of demographics playing out over time. We have kids, they don't. (This is one of my more facetious reasons for why I encourage most liberal types to have abortions. It makes outbreeding them far easier.)However, we will lose our kids in the public school system where the SJWs and progressives know they can get our kids at a young age, unless one's kids are homeschooled.
I don't think many RP and NeoMasculinists realize the danger of having their kids in a public school, assuming they have any and begin a family. The amount of time they spend with your kids compared to the time you get with them simply isn't enough to undo the damage being wrought in their classrooms and in the activities and groups that are deliberately subverting their minds.
For my particular situation - Quintus advised me that my plan is a good one - considering the extended family situation that will soon be a reality for me.
However for the rest of you, I don't know if this is necessarily viable. However, I considered it a good idea to share these thoughts in hope of quality feedback.
Questions? Comments?
Death threats?