I cannot understand why you guys are chopping up Zuck in the travel forum. He did not even go to China to find that girl in the first place. If he had, she would be 100X hotter than his current wife. They met at Harvard. This has nothing to do with game in Asia whatsoever. Leave him for the other subforums.

As for those others (Skipping the stupid celeb photos)



Chick is a 5.5-6 for a Japanese (6.5-7 in the US easy). Just because she is dark and seems to have a goofy personality, does not take away she is in good shape and generally attractive. For these black dudes I am proud they did not try to find a fat 3 or 4, or any of the super ugly military base rats from the country side.



Girl on the left is pretty damn cute (6-7) (6 for a Japanese). Of all the chicks on these spreads, she would be the only one I would chase (if her body doesn't suck). The one on the right is not attractive at all. See my above comment about the military base rats. She gets a 3 from me.



For a Japanese from left to right (4,6,4,4,4). The main offense are the rolls on their stomachs and love handles. VERY uncharacteristic of Japanese women. They also look rough. Like they grew up rough or used to ride on the back of motorcycles when they were really young, but since been kicked to the curb. They are not even good looking enough for Japanese porn. Even the 6 has a slight roll on her midsection. She is one donut away from being a 4 with a hot face. Iron sharpens iron obviously.

Verdict: Yeah Dreambig is right. You guys need to dream higher. Your dick has to be a little pickier in order to elevate your game.

All that aside, I think those black dudes are doing well. I said in my dating guide and a few times on the forum, that black guys can hack/exploit the Asia Matrix in a way. We can pull hot many 7+ Asians that have darker skin tones than the preferred skin tone in East Asia especially. To many of us, it's not much of a difference enough to matter. Only Asians and some white guys trip over that shit hard. Even if your gal got a little darker in the sun, your kids could end up being much lighter than you expect because skin shade is a DNA lottery pick when sperm and egg meet anyway. A darker set is also possible. So over than pure aesthetic reasons for you looking at her, it would not matter past that. White dudes and Asian dudes attempting to look down on your girls (if darker), get exposed as weak gamed and idiot bigots, because their pale skinned 5s better come harder than that. It usually shows their internal jealously if they act out like that because they know deep down, the fucking math does not add up. No pale skin 5-6 beats a slightly darker 7-10. Never. So make sure your arithmetic is always on point.

Based upon the way these black guys look, I don't really see them pulling higher quality black and white females in the US looking like that. They would need a bankroll or high social proof to pull that same quality or better at home. This is to go along with at minimum average game techniques. Asia is a wonderful equalizer. Like others said, it's more normal there than in the West. Everybody can win within reason.

The best cure for yellow fever is to bang as many Asian chicks as possible.

Quote: (12-27-2015 08:23 PM)LeapLeap Wrote:  

Quote: (12-27-2015 06:33 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Yes westerners absolutely date Asian girls who are objectively less attractive. I was asked about it only a few days ago by some Japanese businessmen.

Hot Japanese girls were into westerners much more before they saw who we usually choose to date in Japan. Nowadays they don't want to be associated with the "gaikokujin no suki sou na taipu" (Japanese girls stereotypically liked by westerners). Basically, you get handsome guys (in their eyes anyway) who come to Japan and date 5s and 6s. Like it or not, this affects how the top tier view us. Hot Japanese girls are actually embarrassed by the idea of dating a white guy because of what it typically implies for their (lack of) attractive traits to locals.

Is this unsurpassable? No. I'm just spelling out the prevailing attitudes. Good game can often overcome these things but thirsty westerners invading a spot does have a concrete negative effect.

1. If unfuckable western guys with zero game come to Japan and they actually land girlfriends in the 5-6 range that would imply the place is far from ruined - instead there is some kind of a bonus compared to being at home - where they would be dating fatties or masturbating.

2. The very fact you say these guys are seen as handsome implies that yes, it's better than home where their looks are average.

3. Obviously enough in any place as it gets more exposed to foreigners there is going to be a "correction" in how they are seen - some of the mystique will be lost as a more realistic view takes hold. Firstly there is nothing that can be done against it as it's called globalization which is advancing rapidly.

Secondly why are "thirsty guys" so much worse than players (except that there's far more of them)? If a place were to get invaded by capable foreign pick up artists would that be better? If foreigners are seen as Beta chumps who will settle for a 5 that's probably a far better situation than if they're equated with serial pump and dump.

Being thirsty is a sign of insecurity no matter what poon you're trying to chase! It is a sign that you don't believe in what you're selling aka you're value, so you try to attach yourself to the first thing that reacts somewhat positively to you... and that eagerness will usually fuck it up because you're simply trying to take her value (her good looks) to raise yours.

If foreign women see the same pussified and value taking behavior time and time again... then the foreigner Bitch Shield will appear, thus making it harder for everyone else. Also you seem to be stuck on hard labeling such as PUA, Beta, Alpha, players and such. All it is about is being comfortable with yourself, not acting a fool, respecting yourself, and bringing value to the table. By having these, then you can whoever you want to be!

Most Asian women seem to be extremely unemotional and transaction like when you speak to them, but not in a bad way. That's just how they are, especially the more traditional Chinese! It took me a minute to notice it, but now I'm cool with it. But I keep telling to myself that if you're a total Beta and you get a real unemotional one... then good luck cause it's like sending yourself over to the slaughterhouse my friend!

Why are people surprised at this? It's obvious it's going to happen, so why are you complaining? The same way supply and demand works in an economy, thirsty westerners are making it harder for everyone else in their home countries, and overseas.

It's not any one factor that causes this decline, it's a combination. As has already been mentioned cultural attitudes, economic growth and thirsty guys are all causing this.

Instead of complaining, get better. Learn to thrive in a world of increased competition.

Quote: (12-28-2015 10:15 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Being thirsty is a sign of insecurity no matter what poon you're trying to chase! It is a sign that you don't believe in what you're selling aka you're value, so you try to attach yourself to the first thing that reacts somewhat positively to you... and that eagerness will usually fuck it up because you're simply trying to take her value (her good looks) to raise yours.

If foreign women see the same pussified and value taking behavior time and time again... then the foreigner Bitch Shield will appear, thus making it harder for everyone else.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying there are many kinds of Bitch Shields -- anything negative that foreign women see time and time again may create one. Ideally you'd probably have a flood of every kind of guy in order to keep them guessing, instead of them coming in with preconceptions.

I'm sure you can imagine a situation where the thirsty guys stay at home and only pump and dumpers travel over -- and as a result after a while 90% of the local women don't wan't to be seen with a foreigner anymore because these women are seen as slutty and naive.

Quote: (12-28-2015 10:15 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Also you seem to be stuck on hard labeling such as PUA, Beta, Alpha, players and such.

Not really, but when you're trying to illustrate something it helps to simplify and dumb down things that are besides the point.

I'd argue that China is now just getting a taste of what Thailand, Phils etc has had for years. Those places are ridden with creepy sexpats, dipshits and sleazy young guys openly trying to rack up notches.

The answer is simple: dont be one of those dudes, and signal it clearly. Chicks still dig high-value guys.

True players know how to avoid being pattern-matched as "sleazy" or "playboy". And to offer a win-win experience that leaves girls better than they found them, even when you're playing the field.

Just because some dodes put these vids out doesn't mean they're "ruining Asia". If you can still pull quality in Bangkok or Manila, which are by any means the honeypots for western weirdos/losers/sexpats, then I wouldn't worry about a couple of viral vids in China.

If you can throw 10,000 dollars, are you a baller? You could be. In fact, it's HK dollar. then now what? that's my analogy here.

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:07 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

I understand neither your criticism nor the logic in your post. Especially this:

"this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?"

Don't you understand that when "this guy" lives nicely "for $1000 a month in Philippines" and fucks many Filipinas, it is the reality for him, for as long as he enjoys it.

You're saying the reality has to be: him being lonely and poor in NY? But why? When you go abroad, your reality becomes the life you are experiencing at that time. You make your own reality, going abroad and gaming.

Also, about this:

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I have to think, "why the negativity, man?". If some of us don't usually get 8s in the West, and therefore we go to EE, SA or SEA to get many 6s, 7s or 8s, it does not mean we are lazy or weak:

Believe me, living in EE, SA or SEA (not in five-stars hotels, mind you), requires effort and courage. There are dangers to recognize and dodge, languages to master, different cultures to grasp and learn to respect: it's a respectable endeavor... it's not "an easy solution".

The "easy solution" would be, stay in the West, become sexless or bang 38 years old, semi-fat 5s... No way!

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:07 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

If you can throw 10,000 dollars, are you a baller? You could be. In fact, it's HK dollar. then now what? that's my analogy here.

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

I think that you should stop worrying about what other guys are doing.

I'm just fine with guys like you staying in the US and dealing with "reality" by only dating western women. Can't have everyone coming here.

I can assure you that none of us give a shit about comparing ourselves to guys in London or NYC.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy an incredibly high standard of living, tropical weather, delicious local food and a harem of cute girls on demand.

I have no issue with really much of what happens in Asia with westerners, but the girls in those pictures can easily be banged in the US. We don't need to go to Asia and chase 5s.

If a Westerner considers a skinny Asian automatically a 6 than Bangkok is the new Medellin. That's not true.

Still, I have enjoyed back-to-back fake tit Thais on consecutive nights to ring in the new year in Bangkok. The last girl was so attractive that I talked my way out of a meeting in HK for another day in Thailand. The Thai girl I'm banging in the US is nowhere near the level of these girls.

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:07 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

If you can throw 10,000 dollars, are you a baller? You could be. In fact, it's HK dollar. then now what? that's my analogy here.

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

I think you care a lot about what an average American white girl thinks. It's not uncommon but I'll say this: work hard on your inner game. And these white girls blowing you out are not the cream of the crop like you believe.

A lot of what you say sounds bitter. You should he happy you have better options. Your value shouldn't be determined by some home town white girl. I learned this thr hard way but still feel like I have to consciously relearn it.

*yawn*

Same stuff was said a year ago, nothing happened.

The worlds a big place, whats on "the news" this week will be forgotten next week. Everyone's being paranoid. It's cute.

I had an Osaka approach video that hit 500k, went back to osaka 1 year later and 0 people recognized me.

Quote: (01-01-2016 03:07 PM)DavidBond Wrote:  

*yawn*

Same stuff was said a year ago, nothing happened.

The worlds a big place, whats on "the news" this week will be forgotten next week. Everyone's being paranoid. It's cute.

I had an Osaka approach video that hit 500k, went back to osaka 1 year later and 0 people recognized me.

No one here gives a damn if you personally are or aren't recognized.

We do care if your actions, by their ostentatiousness, make it that much harder for the rest of us who live or travel in these countries.

Try thinking beyond yourself for once.

^One guy's vids will not ruin the dating market in a continent man. It's still daft though and does contribute, albeit only a tiny bit.

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:07 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

If you can throw 10,000 dollars, are you a baller? You could be. In fact, it's HK dollar. then now what? that's my analogy here.

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

Dude has been a RVF member for 4 years and now he is finally telling everyone to "man up" with these hoes.



Help yourself to all of the pumpkin spice latte guzzling and ugg boot wearing cunts you want. They are all yours.

Quote: (01-01-2016 04:03 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2016 03:07 PM)DavidBond Wrote:  

*yawn*

Same stuff was said a year ago, nothing happened.

The worlds a big place, whats on "the news" this week will be forgotten next week. Everyone's being paranoid. It's cute.

I had an Osaka approach video that hit 500k, went back to osaka 1 year later and 0 people recognized me.

No one here gives a damn if you personally are or aren't recognized.

We do care if your actions, by their ostentatiousness, make it that much harder for the rest of us who live or travel in these countries.

Try thinking beyond yourself for once.

This guy's whole marketing niche is pseudo-trolling and outrage clicks. The more controversy he generates the more attention and traffic he gets. Dude responds to nearly every youtube video about him with comments egging people on to generate more outrage.

He's just the PUA version of whatever SJW clickbait article is out there.

Pretty sure he used to be RSD affiliated too there are a few well known southern CA/Las Vegas PUA coaches who said they have met him before.

I'm really enjoying reading this thread, only on page 2 and already I can tell the posters here are really cool and intelligent.

I'm not going to respond to much here, but for the record I have no relationship with RSD.

Carry on.

I think for reference on this forums beliefs on this topic, you guys should read Roosh's "Sex tourists vs. Love tourists" article (http://www.rooshv.com/sex-tourists-vs-love-tourists). Its a quick read and confirms the views of most of the posters in this thread. But I'd say generally, our community emphasizes traveling for relationships rather than sex. As much as I respect many of the repped posters in the forum, I do find it a little hypocritical that we claim people like this are ruining poosey paradises abroad. For example, Linux's Colombia thread was praised throughout the forum, but if you break it down, it was mostly about meaningless sex without speaking the local language nor assimilating oneself into the local culture. With that being said, this David Bond guy is a tool for creating a sensationalist type travel vlog that gives people touring for love a bad reputation. IMO, it definitely is justified for us to praise posters like Linux while ranting about people like David Bond, its just that we need to realize that traveling with the quantity over quality in mind WILL make locals resent foreigners.

Edit:Is this guy really selling bang his own bang guide for $70? Most of the stuff that it covers could be found on FREE datasheets on the forum...

Since when 'man up' means running from reality?

Yes i will deal with those 'hoes'. There are plenty of good looking women with good attitudes, just like there are plenty of opportunites for making money.
Bottom line you are saying these pretty girls wont give you any attention (because they are 'hoes') or they maybe give you an attention if you got something going on (because they are 'hoes') and your answer is id rather just go to asia? Right?

Quote: (01-01-2016 11:49 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Since when 'man up' means running from reality?

Yes i will deal with those 'hoes'. There are plenty of good looking women with good attitudes, just like there are plenty of opportunites for making money.
Bottom line you are saying these pretty girls wont give you any attention (because they are 'hoes') or they maybe give you an attention if you got something going on (because they are 'hoes') and your answer is id rather just go to asia? Right?

Is reality to you only a select few cities in the U.S. ?

You sound like one of those married guys who seems eager to convince others that being married is great and you should really do it too.

Maybe what you're really doing trying to do is convince yourself that things are great in the U.S.

You realize the world is a pretty big place and some of us aren't tied down and can actually live location independent and leverage time, money, and social scene how we want?

Quote: (01-01-2016 11:49 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Since when 'man up' means running from reality?

Yes i will deal with those 'hoes'. There are plenty of good looking women with good attitudes, just like there are plenty of opportunites for making money.
Bottom line you are saying these pretty girls wont give you any attention (because they are 'hoes') or they maybe give you an attention if you got something going on (because they are 'hoes') and your answer is id rather just go to asia? Right?

Expatting for a few years clears your mind of the illusion that the patch of land where you were born is somehow normative for all time. Try it!

I honestly don't get it about banging philiphinas. In my 'own' standard, that's something I won't be proud of at all and I would be ashamed of it.
(there was a thread about why Aussie guys don't touch thai girls even though they could just have it in Thailand. Some guys wrote honest statements saying you will be looked down doing that from other aussie fellows)

Bring one of those 'easy' girls to the states and try to attend social parties. I am pretty sure how people are going to look down on her. (It's not about just her skin color. I can take white trash girl to asia and people can spot it too.)

Just because they are Thinner doesn't mean they are hotter either. But I guess we all have different eyes. To me personally, they (girls hangingout in nightlife district) are equivalent to white crack whore woman.

----The "easy solution" would be, stay in the West, become sexless or bang 38 years old, semi-fat 5s... No way!----

I guess that is your reality if you stay in the West. I can't blame you then. I appreciate your honesty.

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:35 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2016 07:07 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

That's what I see. Guys can't compete in their own country but want to show off they've got something without changing their reality. I am sick of these guys talking about 'game'. They think they know about women all of sudden.
('hey man, it's all about the confidence when you approach women. watch what I do.' Fuck you, do that to average white chick in your home town. let's see what happens)

If you just want to have it easier, then fine. go to the places you can live easier.
BUT don't tell guys in U.S, you are doing it better over there.
(eg:this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?)

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I really want to see those type of guys running around places like in France, Italy, Sweden etc. where are they?

I understand neither your criticism nor the logic in your post. Especially this:

"this guy got nice house for $1000 a month in Philippines. He thinks he's more successful than this guy living in a studio in NY for $2k. If he comes back to the reality, then what?"

Don't you understand that when "this guy" lives nicely "for $1000 a month in Philippines" and fucks many Filipinas, it is the reality for him, for as long as he enjoys it.

You're saying the reality has to be: him being lonely and poor in NY? But why? When you go abroad, your reality becomes the life you are experiencing at that time. You make your own reality, going abroad and gaming.

Also, about this:

'I can't swallow the reality so I am going to run to the easier place'

I have to think, "why the negativity, man?". If some of us don't usually get 8s in the West, and therefore we go to EE, SA or SEA to get many 6s, 7s or 8s, it does not mean we are lazy or weak:

Believe me, living in EE, SA or SEA (not in five-stars hotels, mind you), requires effort and courage. There are dangers to recognize and dodge, languages to master, different cultures to grasp and learn to respect: it's a respectable endeavor... it's not "an easy solution".

The "easy solution" would be, stay in the West, become sexless or bang 38 years old, semi-fat 5s... No way!

Quote: (01-02-2016 03:28 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I honestly don't get it about banging philiphinas. In my 'own' standard, that's something I won't be proud of at all and I would be ashamed of it.
(there was a thread about why Aussie guys don't touch thai girls even though they could just have it in Thailand. Some guys wrote honest statements saying you will be looked down doing that from other aussie fellows)

Bring one of those 'easy' girls to the states and try to attend social parties. I am pretty sure how people are going to look down on her. (It's not about just her skin color. I can take white trash girl to asia and people can spot it too.)

Just because they are Thinner doesn't mean they are hotter either. But I guess we all have different eyes. To me personally, they (girls hangingout in nightlife district) are equivalent to white crack whore woman.

Are you retarded?

You realize not all Filipinas look alike or are from the same class background.

Also guys regularly put asian women on a pedestal in the U.S. at least far more than in asia. Australia is a bit different but we're not talking about australia.

I am not married and I don't tell guys they should get married.

But sometimes I see guys talking about Being single is awesome because he got cheated on by a hoe wife, got sued over money by a hoe wife blah blah.
Because he was a Moron in choosing a woman in first place, he claims being single is the best and all married guys are either dumb or they will eventually get divorced.
He is blaming all married guys because he is a fuckup.
It's a good way to Rationalize his Fault.

If you wanted to see the world, moved to other countries and are having fun there with local women, then it's Fucking awesome. Let's Just Talk About That.

But I see guys just like him above, talking about Not traveling outside is stupid, Not Dating those cheap foreign girls you can lure $50 bucks is stupid, Dating Western women is stupid blah blah. They want to Rationalize their fault.

With some guys here, I can't just make simple normal statements.
I am pretty sure some of you will argue if I say 'there are plenty of nice (looks and personality) girls in U.S' right?
'lol wut? western girls all suck'? (actually someone told me I was just trollin by saying something like that in the past.)

Quote: (01-02-2016 12:07 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2016 11:49 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Since when 'man up' means running from reality?

Yes i will deal with those 'hoes'. There are plenty of good looking women with good attitudes, just like there are plenty of opportunites for making money.
Bottom line you are saying these pretty girls wont give you any attention (because they are 'hoes') or they maybe give you an attention if you got something going on (because they are 'hoes') and your answer is id rather just go to asia? Right?

Is reality to you only a select few cities in the U.S. ?

You sound like one of those married guys who seems eager to convince others that being married is great and you should really do it too.

Maybe what you're really doing trying to do is convince yourself that things are great in the U.S.

You realize the world is a pretty big place and some of us aren't tied down and can actually live location independent and leverage time, money, and social scene how we want?