[Rutting Elephant]

(12-26-2015 11:55 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

Don't forget Indonesia is a Muslim country, not as conservative as middle east but that in itself can be an issue.

How you feel about women that have mutilated vagina? i.e missing clit or part of it
Im telling you its not pretty look and not fun to bang them

That is what you are going to encounter over there unless you going to target Christian girls (about 20% of population are non-muslims)

You either have no idea what you are talking about or hooked up with girls who had something going on other than "mutilation." Unless you're used to huge protruding clits the difference is not noticeable.
Also, Islam is a non-issue when it comes to gaming Indonesian girls.

[nomadbrah]

(12-26-2015 03:23 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

I used to think that this stuff had no effect, but my opinion has reversed itself lately.

Asian countries are getting harder by the year and a big factor is the shitty foreigners who fuck it up for us. Japan has gone from full-on pussy paradise to challenging even for well-integrated expats - all that within just 10 years or so.

Even this forum plays a somewhat negative role. There are just too many lurkers who contribute nothing but soak up all the value offered. You'd be amazed how many people have read the Philippines and Colombia threads.

If you find an amazing spot, tell other members about it over beers but don't post a datasheet unless you want to see that town ruined in record time. We could really do with a members-only section in my view.

The real fuckup is the hordes of followers who stand on the backs of pioneers anywhere and everywhere, but it's impossible to stop and information once shared on the internet isn't going away.

Is Roosh going to shut down his major draw on his forum (and for Google)? No he won't and so information is now out there along with easier than ever international airflights, AirBNB and Uber for the masses to engage in a bit of international playboy dilly-dallying all the while finding time to update their exploits on social media to more thirsty gap year betas back home, who can then yet again follow the beaten track.

As for those fools posted here, the geeks in Taiwan, we're dealing with a particularly nasty type infecting Asia in increasing numbers, the asperger-millenial-youth. Where in the past those who did not understand normal acceptable social behavior would have the good decency to not flaunt it, with the millienial obsession of wanting attention at all costs, in this case as others, through Youtube, now you have legions of socially maladjusted fools roaming Asia through an iphone lens with the goal not so much tight young pussy, but the likes and +1s to be had from sharing it.

Of course a huge portion of foreigners in Asia have always been maladjusted, but generally maladjusted with certain likeable traits. One of which were to be happy and praise your great luck of having hacked the system.

I doubt anything can be done to stop it, it will only get worse, while living conditions and ease will go up. I can't say I miss the pre-RVF internet era when information on getting with foreign girls were relegated to world sex guide and ramblings of clueless expats. Nor do I miss the pre-Google Map period where finding a store involved driving for hours in traffic and asking 50 people directions. On the other hand, despite all these annoyances, the quality of girls I hooked up with were decisively hotter, and getting older (but in no way old) doesn't explain it fully.

Even so, as we bitch and moan, the real adventurers are already seeking new avenues in Burma, Central Asia, smaller Indonesian cities and so on. And fortunately game if not the magic bullet, absolutely still gives everyone an advantage compared to the hordes.

[Neo]

(12-26-2015 04:18 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I've lost count of the number of times Thai and Japanese men have asked me why western men like ugly Thai / Japanese women. I think there's a taste difference, with a lot of western men liking more tan women, but I also think it's down to low hanging fruit and not being bothered to put in the effort to get a higher standard. I lived in Thailand for over 4 years, went out almost every night, and can count on one hand the amount of foreign men I saw with quality. A lot of men in the expat scene have got a lot going for them as well (looks, money, etc.), but they have no idea how to really put it to use, or are just not built for the game and so settle with the first half decent girl that comes along.

I've heard this as well from a few fob Asian guys in the states. What irks me is that these same Asian guys can't get laid to save their life, while criticizing everyone else's women. Until I see the quality they are pulling with my own eyes, I tend to disregard what they say. I've never been to Asia however so take what I said with a grain of salt. It could be true that the same guys who criticize are pulling top notch ass themselves over there.

[LeapLeap]

(12-27-2015 06:33 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Yes westerners absolutely date Asian girls who are objectively less attractive. I was asked about it only a few days ago by some Japanese businessmen.

Hot Japanese girls were into westerners much more before they saw who we usually choose to date in Japan. Nowadays they don't want to be associated with the "gaikokujin no suki sou na taipu" (Japanese girls stereotypically liked by westerners). Basically, you get handsome guys (in their eyes anyway) who come to Japan and date 5s and 6s. Like it or not, this affects how the top tier view us. Hot Japanese girls are actually embarrassed by the idea of dating a white guy because of what it typically implies for their (lack of) attractive traits to locals.

Is this unsurpassable? No. I'm just spelling out the prevailing attitudes. Good game can often overcome these things but thirsty westerners invading a spot does have a concrete negative effect.

1. If unfuckable western guys with zero game come to Japan and they actually land girlfriends in the 5-6 range that would imply the place is far from ruined - instead there is some kind of a bonus compared to being at home - where they would be dating fatties or masturbating.

2. The very fact you say these guys are seen as handsome implies that yes, it's better than home where their looks are average.

3. Obviously enough in any place as it gets more exposed to foreigners there is going to be a "correction" in how they are seen - some of the mystique will be lost as a more realistic view takes hold. Firstly there is nothing that can be done against it as it's called globalization which is advancing rapidly.

Secondly why are "thirsty guys" so much worse than players (except that there's far more of them)? If a place were to get invaded by capable foreign pick up artists would that be better? If foreigners are seen as Beta chumps who will settle for a 5 that's probably a far better situation than if they're equated with serial pump and dump.

[nomadbrah]

The real difference between West and East is that those guys called 'losers' are actually not losers in the original sense: drunkards, dimwits, layabouts, they're just not cut out as entertainment pieces in the Brave New World of the West.

Do you think most Asian guys are alpha? Asia has some of the highest busted dude-hot girl ratio I've ever seen. Nerdy, chubby Asian dudes with feminine, slim girls in high heels and tight dresses. These so called losers who get the 5-6s are just punching their normal weight in a more normal environment.

[CleanSlate]

(12-27-2015 08:29 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

The real difference between West and East is that those guys called 'losers' are actually not losers in the original sense: drunkards, dimwits, layabouts, they're just not cut out as entertainment pieces in the Brave New World of the West.

Do you think most Asian guys are alpha? Asia has some of the highest busted dude-hot girl ratio I've ever seen. Nerdy, chubby Asian dudes with feminine, slim girls in high heels and tight dresses. These so called losers who get the 5-6s are just punching their normal weight in a more normal environment.

This is probably what a balanced sexual market looks like. We Westerners have become very inured to the lopsided market here that your observation is quite surprising to some of us.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-27-2015 08:29 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

The real difference between West and East is that those guys called 'losers' are actually not losers in the original sense: drunkards, dimwits, layabouts, they're just not cut out as entertainment pieces in the Brave New World of the West.

Do you think most Asian guys are alpha? Asia has some of the highest busted dude-hot girl ratio I've ever seen. Nerdy, chubby Asian dudes with feminine, slim girls in high heels and tight dresses. These so called losers who get the 5-6s are just punching their normal weight in a more normal environment.

People make similar comments all the time about (by our western judgement) nerdy looking or feeble local guys with stunning girlfriends in latin america and eastern europe too. What you see in asia, latin america, and eastern europe is in reality closer to the natural state of how things are or should be in the world. You have average to below average looking guys being evaluated on other social merits but still managing to land attractive young girls. There's also a broader pool of fit and attractive girls to draw from to begin with too.

The oddball circus like dating atmosphere where guys are in an arms race to look like bodybuilders and where girls keep getting fatter and more entitled in the anglosphere is in fact abnormal.

[LeapLeap]

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

There are a lot of laughs to be had on Japanese boards if you can read the language.

A quick Google of "Why do foreigners date such ugly Asian women? produced the following gems:

Guy looks like a flashlight. To my mind he is dating up.

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Good-looking guy but there's something wrong with him. Look at his posture.

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Guy looks to be into this chick. Maybe there's something about her that's worth a few extra points for this guy?

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Maybe this chick doesn't meet some kind of Japanese beauty standards but she looks quite fine to me.

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

So the guy is pulling two chicks? So maybe he's going for quantity over quality but it doesn't look like he's doing too badly for himself.

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Another walking flashlight - which would work against him big time in the west.

[Off The Reservation]

(12-27-2015 06:58 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

There are a lot of laughs to be had on Japanese boards if you can read the language.

A quick Google of "Why do foreigners date such ugly Asian women? produced the following gems:

wb every asian girl in those pics

[CleanSlate]

(12-27-2015 08:47 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  

wb every asian girl in those pics

So would I, except the last one behind Zuck.

[jasond]

A lot of white guys have an Asian fetish, and completely overrate the looks of Asian girls. In those pics above, I don't see anything above a 5, and would rate most of those girls a 4 (I'd give zuckerburg's girl a 3). It's clear in my mind that in each couple, the guy is dating down.

Yet, I bet some guys would give those same Asian girls a 7 rating. It seems like there is simply a huge disagreement over what a hot Asian girl really looks like. I've had disagreements with a friend where we would consistently rate Asian girls THREE points different from each other (8 vs. 5, 7 vs. 4, etc)

[El Chinito loco]

(12-27-2015 08:52 PM)jasond Wrote:  

A lot of white guys have an Asian fetish, and completely overrate the looks of Asian girls. In those pics above, I don't see anything above a 5, and would rate most of those girls a 4 (I'd give zuckerburg's girl a 3). It's clear in my mind that in each couple, the guy is dating down.

Yet, I bet some guys would give those same Asian girls a 7 rating. It seems like there is simply a huge disagreement over what a hot Asian girl really looks like. I've had disagreements with a friend where we would consistently rate Asian girls THREE points different from each other (8 vs. 5, 7 vs. 4, etc)

There's definitely a big bump for exotic bonus in the west with asian girls. I know enough asian girls including a few relatives (with a wide range of looks) who have traveled to the U.S. before to hear it first hand.

Plus liberals and hipsters are very SJW when it comes to women from asia, the middle east, and the subcontinent. They view them as victims and women to be white knighted, saved, and coddled from the evils of asian patriarchy. It's why a few of these women simultaneous flog the minority woman victim card while playing up the exotic race card in dating.

It's all about subpar women from the east reinventing themselves in the west. It clearly works.

[Fortis]

The dating market of Asia (frumpy locals nabbing hot girls) is what it should be like everywhere. Those guys clearly have other things beyond looks and leverage them properly.

That said, I don't find that pale, super thin legs, flat-ass, huge boobs and heart-shaped face look to be attractive. The girls look fucking inbred. I'd be so so depressed if my daughter came out with such a tiny head.
I will say that foreign men come here and nab mediocre girls but the same applies to Asian dudes coming to USA. It's not like these Chinese dudes are nailing the hottest white girls when they jet set to USA or Europe. Trust me on that.

Asia has its own problem with white girl thirst. My Chinese friend showed me pictures of a white 5 and said she was beautiful. I was like

[El Chinito loco]

(12-27-2015 09:07 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Asia has its own problem with white girl thirst. My Chinese friend showed me pictures of a white 5 and said she was beautiful. I was like

It's nowhere near the same scope of fetishization though. White girls are pretty niche in asia.

If you do see asian guys who are into white girls in asia they are usually talking about top tier looking girls in the media or eastern european looking girls.

Mediocre white girls are definitely not punching up anywhere in asia though. I've never seen a mediocre white chick with a local asian celeb or ultra rich asian guy or something outlandish like that.

That's why they all hang out in mostly backpacker joints where they can still get loads of attention from anglosphere guys.

[TheBulldozer]

The loneliest person in Asia is the single white woman.

[Onto]

I feel like we're shaking our heads at Zuckerberg and the "Lost" guy for not wife-ing up the hottest Asian possible. There is such a thing as chemistry. That thing when two peoples personalities mesh just right that it feels like the real thing.

It can be very difficult to find a girl who's both very attractive and also has a personality you love.

I once met a girl from online who was much heavier than I anticipated. When I first saw her come through the cafe door my heart sank, and I told myself I would be polite for one cup of coffee and end the date. Well, her personality was so great I spent the next 48 hours with her and found myself in a 3 year LTR. That's how powerful personality can be, especially when you've had your fill of dating attractive girls with shitty character.

[ball dont lie]

(12-27-2015 09:16 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 09:07 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Asia has its own problem with white girl thirst. My Chinese friend showed me pictures of a white 5 and said she was beautiful. I was like

It's nowhere near the same scope of fetishization though. White girls are pretty niche in asia.

Mediocre white girls are definitely not punching up anywhere in asia though. I've never seen a mediocre white chick with a local asian celeb or ultra rich asian guy or something outlandish like that.

Just in my own personal experience I've seen quite a few, maybe 5, below average white girls who are married and got knocked up by tall, well spoken, well dressed, well to do Chinese guys. I don't often find myself thinking that Chinese guys are that handsome, but for some reason recently Ive seen a lot of good looking Chinese guys with lower tier western girls, either FSU or US/Canada/England. Some of the girls Ive met a few times and I would say their personality is also not that great.

It has been said above by Fortis and it goes both ways: Asian people can't see what westerners really look like. When I first got to China people said I looked like movie stars. They just saw sharp jaw line, big nose, thick eyebrows, blue eyes, dark hair. No subtlety. Everyone looks like the same. Different cultures/races look at different parts of the face to differentiate people. When I first got to China, in Guangdong, there was one popular hair style and I thought 80-90% of the boys were the same person. Flat nose, stupid hair cut, slanty dark eyes, dark yellow skin. It took me a long time for my brain to sort through facial differences and now I can look across an auditorium of 600 people and see each persons face for who they are, know each one of my students. But for some of them I'm still the first foreigner they have spent real time with so they just see foreigner face.

[brianmark]

(12-27-2015 08:52 PM)jasond Wrote:  

A lot of white guys have an Asian fetish, and completely overrate the looks of Asian girls. In those pics above, I don't see anything above a 5, and would rate most of those girls a 4 (I'd give zuckerburg's girl a 3). It's clear in my mind that in each couple, the guy is dating down.

Yet, I bet some guys would give those same Asian girls a 7 rating. It seems like there is simply a huge disagreement over what a hot Asian girl really looks like. I've had disagreements with a friend where we would consistently rate Asian girls THREE points different from each other (8 vs. 5, 7 vs. 4, etc)

That's why they call it "yellow fever." They are sick with the fever and can't see these women clearly. After living in Asia, I now look at many Western women and find their facial features too masculine.

[brianmark]

(12-27-2015 09:36 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

The loneliest person in Asia is the single white woman.

Not in India. Indian men are obsessed with white women. Now that's a real fetish!

[El Chinito loco]

(12-27-2015 10:12 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 09:16 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 09:07 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Asia has its own problem with white girl thirst. My Chinese friend showed me pictures of a white 5 and said she was beautiful. I was like

It's nowhere near the same scope of fetishization though. White girls are pretty niche in asia.

Mediocre white girls are definitely not punching up anywhere in asia though. I've never seen a mediocre white chick with a local asian celeb or ultra rich asian guy or something outlandish like that.

Just in my own personal experience I've seen quite a few, maybe 5, below average white girls who are married and got knocked up by tall, well spoken, well dressed, well to do Chinese guys. I don't often find myself thinking that Chinese guys are that handsome, but for some reason recently Ive seen a lot of good looking Chinese guys with lower tier western girls, either FSU or US/Canada/England. Some of the girls Ive met a few times and I would say their personality is also not that great.

I'm not discounting you or Fortis' anecdotal experience in China but I do wonder if this is a mainland China thing in the big cities. Since I don't see this at all in SEA or anywhere else in NEA i've been. This definitely isn't the case in Taiwan, Hong Kong, or Singapore either.

There are definitely some asian guys who specialize in the great anglo whale hunt but they are usually the tanned beach boys who hang out on the islands in Indonesia or Thailand and they kind of give off the rastafarian vibe that some middle class white girls go nuts over. These definitely aren't top tier guys in society by any stretch.

[worldtraveler3]

I hardly ever meet any white women expats which have a 'great personality'. There are occasional few backpacker types who are pretty interesting to talk to. With the exception of maybe Russian and slavic girls who work in entertainment, i don't think they have much access to the local rich guys' circles either.

I guess this is what boredom and loneliness can do to a woman.

[rungoodinc]

White guys (and all foreign guys for that matter) have been up in Asian women for centuries. It's sexual arbitrage since history has shown that men get better bang for their buck when they go east.

This really isn't anything new, although social media is spreading more anti-foreigner sentiment more quickly than before.

Either way, East Asian women will still be down, and they will definitely be down for guys who know the language and culture since they will break the stereotype of the jackass foreigner. As long as you can get past the open you have a better chance of standing out since you can easily break her perception of the ignorant foreigner.

Even if it makes it a little harder, complaining about the difficulty of women in East Asia seems silly, because either way there are so many options and the sexual market skews way in favor of the man.

On a personal note I was pretty good friends with David Bond's friend and I can say that although the guy ran through his share of uggos, he has some of the best game I've ever seen and was an absolute closer. Plenty of hot girls among his wins and he does quite well in his home country with non-Asian girls as well. I wasn't a fan of the kinds of stuff in these videos but hey, no one's perfect.

[Suits]

(12-27-2015 08:29 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Do you think most Asian guys are alpha? Asia has some of the highest busted dude-hot girl ratio I've ever seen. Nerdy, chubby Asian dudes with feminine, slim girls in high heels and tight dresses. These so called losers who get the 5-6s are just punching their normal weight in a more normal environment.

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[Bushido]

You guys who said you'd bang all the girls I posted - the yellow fever is strong. Go see a doctor.

[Adrenaline]

(12-28-2015 12:49 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

You guys who said you'd bang all the girls I posted - the yellow fever is strong. Go see a doctor.

Agreed, I wouldn't be able to get hard for any of them.

On the note of white women being the most lonely in Asia, it's hilarious watching over-confident white girls in Asian clubs. They still act top shit but get little attention, and their reaction after that kind of reception makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. There are occasions when scrubber western tourists will approach these girls, and I feel like going over and punching them in the face for putting the bitches back on the pedestal.